Chamber planning October trip to Cincinnati

[thelakelander]

I'm sure the Chamber will hear about Cincinnati's streetcar project when they are up there.  Metro Jacksonville readers will get an early review.  I'm scheduled to be up there in June to tour downtown for an investment group project I'm involved in.

JAX Chamber’s 32nd annual Leadership Trip is going to Cincinnati this fall. During the visit, Oct. 23-25, participants will learn how the city’s leaders addressed topics such as economic development, public private partnerships, downtown revitalization, education reform and sports and entertainment marketing.

http://jacksonville.com/business/2012-04-20/story/chamber-planning-october-trip-cincinnati

[Anti redneck]

Do you really think that'll wake anyone up?

[comncense]

32nd annual event... 32 trips and what has resulted from any of them? This is more like "Hey let's take a field trip to Cincinnati to hang out."

[Ocklawaha]

The one possible benefit is that the Chamber is going to come FACE TO FACE with the construction of a brand new STREETCAR SYSTEM. The Cincinnati Streetcar fought a long uphill battle and the people prevailed. The 'Tea Party' along with the NAACP supported a referendum to kill the project... That idea was soundly defeated in the voting booths as the people proved that 'THE PEOPLE WANT RAIL.' Good lesson for JTA. Wonder if we can buy them a few tickets to Cincinnati too.

Cincinnati streetcar is now turning dirt. Like most new streetcar construction it will be built one block at a time (one to two being pretty standard) and thus it will have a minimal effect on downtown traffic and pedestrians. It also will allow the developers to start moving in along the streetcar where Cincinnati planners expect a $14 to $1 return on their investment.

My, my, couldn't downtown Jacksonville use a $14 to $1 return on anything? STREETCAR WOULD DELIVER THAT.

OCKLAWAHA

[Anti redneck]

Instead of streetcar, why not just try to push more skyway?

[thelakelander]

^Two different animals with completely different price points.  One mile of skyway probably costs three times as much to construct as one mile of streetcar.  Nevertheless, there are corridors where the skyway makes sense and others where streetcar, commuter rail, and even BRT make sense.

[Bativac]

How many trips are these idiots going to take and what exactly are they getting out of them besides a free trip? Will perhaps another study or paper be published? More talk about what Jacksonville may need to consider? Followed by more inaction and perhaps the destruction of a few more historic buildings?

[peestandingup]

How many trips are these idiots going to take and what exactly are they getting out of them besides a free trip? Will perhaps another study or paper be published? More talk about what Jacksonville may need to consider? Followed by more inaction and perhaps the destruction of a few more historic buildings?

I wonder if they've implemented anything in Jax from any of these trips, like ever? I'd also like to know the cost to send these do-nothings on annual trips like this.

[vicupstate]

What they need to do is take a trip to Jacksonville, and ask themselves just how much of what they have already seen elsewhere, has not even been started here?   Then they need to lock themselves in a room and ask why the implementation phase never occurs.

Think of all the money they would put in the Jax economy instead of the Cincy economy.

[tufsu1]

How many trips are these idiots going to take and what exactly are they getting out of them besides a free trip?

they are hardly free trips...at least for most attendees

[Fallen Buckeye]

I know there was an article on the subject of adaptive reuse of historic building stock recently. Union Terminal is an excellent example of this, and actually it would particularly interesting considering that it serves as both a train station and is the home of several big museums. If we're serious about transitioning Prime Osborn from a convention center back to a train station, I'm sure we can take some lessons about what to do and what not to do from them.

[Anti redneck]

How many trips are these idiots going to take and what exactly are they getting out of them besides a free trip? Will perhaps another study or paper be published? More talk about what Jacksonville may need to consider? Followed by more inaction and perhaps the destruction of a few more historic buildings?

I wonder if they've implemented anything in Jax from any of these trips, like ever? I'd also like to know the cost to send these do-nothings on annual trips like this.

No, they've never implemented anything. Jacksonville politicians do whatever they can do get away from here and that's why they take these trips! They hate Jacksonville! They use taxpayers' money to take these nice trips, come back and talk about how nice their city was, and not do anything about their own city! Nothing will result from this, watch! Nothing ever results! How can a city possess such a mentality? Why will nothing ever get done? I'm sick of it!

[downtownjag]

How many trips are these idiots going to take and what exactly are they getting out of them besides a free trip? Will perhaps another study or paper be published? More talk about what Jacksonville may need to consider? Followed by more inaction and perhaps the destruction of a few more historic buildings?

I wonder if they've implemented anything in Jax from any of these trips, like ever? I'd also like to know the cost to send these do-nothings on annual trips like this.

The civic council idea was something they brought from Kansas City

Thank you, Stephen.

Anyone calling these people idiots or complaining about the lack of results is very uninformed.  The new Downtown Investment Authority is a direct result of their trip to San Diego. 

Personally, I'm proud to have a group of civic leaders that are concerned enough with our town to visit other municipalities to see where we can learn/improve.  I PROMISE YOU, NONE OF THEM ARE GOING FOR A WEEKEND GETAWAY, they are all family men/women who make additional time for their passion(our city).

[Anti redneck]

How many trips are these idiots going to take and what exactly are they getting out of them besides a free trip? Will perhaps another study or paper be published? More talk about what Jacksonville may need to consider? Followed by more inaction and perhaps the destruction of a few more historic buildings?

I wonder if they've implemented anything in Jax from any of these trips, like ever? I'd also like to know the cost to send these do-nothings on annual trips like this.

The civic council idea was something they brought from Kansas City

Thank you, Stephen.

Anyone calling these people idiots or complaining about the lack of results is very uninformed.  The new Downtown Investment Authority is a direct result of their trip to San Diego. 

Personally, I'm proud to have a group of civic leaders that are concerned enough with our town to visit other municipalities to see where we can learn/improve.  I PROMISE YOU, NONE OF THEM ARE GOING FOR A WEEKEND GETAWAY, they are all family men/women who make additional time for their passion(our city).

Well I hope you're right. I really do hope something comes out of this.

[vicupstate]

How many trips are these idiots going to take and what exactly are they getting out of them besides a free trip? Will perhaps another study or paper be published? More talk about what Jacksonville may need to consider? Followed by more inaction and perhaps the destruction of a few more historic buildings?

I wonder if they've implemented anything in Jax from any of these trips, like ever? I'd also like to know the cost to send these do-nothings on annual trips like this.

The civic council idea was something they brought from Kansas City

Thank you, Stephen.

Anyone calling these people idiots or complaining about the lack of results is very uninformed.  The new Downtown Investment Authority is a direct result of their trip to San Diego. 

Personally, I'm proud to have a group of civic leaders that are concerned enough with our town to visit other municipalities to see where we can learn/improve.  I PROMISE YOU, NONE OF THEM ARE GOING FOR A WEEKEND GETAWAY, they are all family men/women who make additional time for their passion(our city).

I applaud their passion and interest, but why visit yet another city, when they have been to a couple dozen already?  Why not retreat to a local location like the Hyatt (and keep the money in the local economy) and reflect on what to do to IMPLEMENT the things they learned in San Diego, Kansas City and the multitude of other cities?

Do they not see a common thread among the things they see in these cities?  The very things that this site has dedicated countless stories to?  Will adding one more example of success bring Jacksonville success ? 

Spend that time and money to take the next steps here, rather than re-learn what you already know.   

The DIA is a great and needed first step, but what is next?  How about figure out a way to get the Laura Trio project DONE!