Suburban Jacksonville: Durbin Crossing

[thelakelander]

Correct.  Most do pay for the roads in their developments and they connect them to state and county roads.  And you do you think incurs the costs of widening those state and county roads when they become over capacity?  Will these developers pay to build an interchange at CR210 and I-95?  No, we all will.

Who paid for the wider roads in riverside and the interchange on 95 there?

I remember sitting in meetings where people in the neighborhoods surrounding these projects did not want them.  I remember the neighborhood wanting Riverside Avenue to be four lanes instead of the six that were built.  However, FDOT had other ideas and neighborhood health and quality of life was not one of their main priorities.  Funneling commuters from outside areas, increasing capacity, and auto safety at the expense of other modes of mobility were the higher priorities.  Both of these projects are examples of things that have done the heart of the city more harm than good, in an effort to facilitate a bad land development pattern.

What about those $1000/ea lamp posts ?

If they passed on the project, left all of those buildings still standing and put the road money into transit or some other publicly financed program that benefited the area, I don't think many people living in the immediate area would have complained.

CR210 funds will not come from Jacksonville property taxes, and probably not from anyone's property taxes. It is in St. Johns county and road construction is usually funded by gasoline taxes and vehicle fees and registrations.

Who built all those new schools and water run offs all along that road? NOT the city.

Its a different county but the development pattern is still detrimental the respective government agency's long term financials.  Our horrible land use development pattern isn't Jacksonville specific.  It's a national problem.

[Garden guy]

Im more worried aabout the political asskissing the got the approval  on building on wetlands.

[pwhitford]

This discussion right here, this is why I f***ing love MJ.

[Know Growth]

Bishop Estates Road Bailey Ranch surrounded. (Sarah Bailey;two term county commissioner)

Alternative future quietly came and went.

Who here can recall earlier Julington Creek area Conservation Public Land vision?
6,000 acre C.A.R.L. proposal perhaps 'extreme',as is the whittled down Julington Creek Peninsula protection lands result.
Julington Peninsula the result of highly touted City/State approach- the Peninsula conservation lands/development boundary is a convoluted gerrymander,grasping for every square foot of possible develop foot print.When faced with the project design,the Water Management District Land Management staff could not believe what they saw on the management boundary design maps.......at first they actually thought the computers hade messed up,gone wild.
-N.M.

[Know Growth]

"The death of the city is inexorably linked to the death of the countryside,and their demise has permitted the creation and the establishment of the New American Landscape.Much of the New American Landscape has been inherited from the old American landscape"

-"Egotopia" Narcissism and the New American Landscape   John Miller  Univ. Alabama Press 1997

[Know Growth]

"The death of the city is inexorably linked to the death of the countryside,and their demise has permitted the creation and the establishment of the New American Landscape.Much of the New American Landscape has been inherited from the old American landscape"

-"Egotopia" Narcissism and the New American Landscape   John Miller  Univ. Alabama Press 1997

Thread halting insight there.