Female hit crossing Hart Expressway

[duvaldude08]

I guess this has to keep happening before the city does something about it. First Arlington expressway, now the hart expressway. This city is a hazard to anyone that is not in a car.

How many pedestrian crosswalks are needed on each road and how far apart? I see people cross Beach daily, not at crosswalks mind you, between St. Johns Bluff and Southside Blvd. The people don't look like they really care to put the drivers at risk for their version of Frogger on the road.

I've seen people cross I-95 just north of Emerson because they were too lazy to walk down to either Emerson or the San Diego road. Forget the fact that people who cross a road without a cross walk are just plain ignorant and have a death wish, but I do agree that they are a minor issue compared to the idiots playing words with friends while they are driving.

Just this past weekend, I saw an older man walking across Atlantic Boulevard by Bishop Kenny High School.  Instead of taking the overhead walkway, the man was jaywalking across a road where traffic is exiting the expressway at high speeds.

I will say, regardless what you do, some people will still do silly things. Maybe he thought he was on the crosswalk. Hey the guy was old LOL!

[peestandingup]

I say jaywalk AND look before you cross. It's crazy I know, but it works. I've walked across the Fuller Warren bridge before because, well. going across the Acosta is 0.8 miles longer and that's 15 extra minutes if you're on foot.

FYI, (like I really need to clarify this)  don't attempt to cross the Fuller Warren on foot. JSO busted me last time I tried and let me off with a warning.  It would be nice if we had a pedestrian pathway on that bridge though.  And maybe a few "catwalk" like overpasses as seen between University and Emerson.

So you are saying that we should let the city off the hook for not looking out for our best interest of the citizens? I guess we should continue to blame the citizens for the lack of planning on city (or JTA's) part? If you think that have pedestrain cross walks are not necessary, you definately have issues. And for anyone to defend that is a complete idiot. That is all.

FYI- I wonder if you tone would be different if that was your sister or mother killed.

If the city doesn't do its part, then why should pedestrians? Honest question.

And I sorta look at this like I do the biking situation here in Jax. Most places here don't give you a bike lane, or even a shoulder. But yet they make it illegal to ride on the sidewalk. So what's the option then? So I ride on the sidewalk when its necessary (and a lot of times, it is). If I get a ticket, then so be it. It won't be paid. That's the city's fault, not mine.

[David]

I say jaywalk AND look before you cross. It's crazy I know, but it works. I've walked across the Fuller Warren bridge before because, well. going across the Acosta is 0.8 miles longer and that's 15 extra minutes if you're on foot.

FYI, (like I really need to clarify this)  don't attempt to cross the Fuller Warren on foot. JSO busted me last time I tried and let me off with a warning.  It would be nice if we had a pedestrian pathway on that bridge though.  And maybe a few "catwalk" like overpasses as seen between University and Emerson.

So you are saying that we should let the city off the hook for not looking out for our best interest of the citizens? I guess we should continue to blame the citizens for the lack of planning on city (or JTA's) part? If you think that have pedestrain cross walks are not necessary, you definately have issues. And for anyone to defend that is a complete idiot. That is all.

FYI- I wonder if you tone would be different if that was your sister or mother killed.

?? No idea how you pulled that out of my response. That's like a times union comment..."Well, because of Obama and Bush, and gas prices and terrorist, that's why I can't drive my SUV!"

Maybe expressways aren't the best place for pedestrians. There's definitely a reason why JSO escorted me off the Fuller Warren bridge when I tried crossing it on foot: pedestrians can get hit and killed on there. And i'm pro crosswalks. Build a catwalk, sorry "pedestrian overpass"

If this were Sim City i'd plop them down all over the place.

[JeffreyS]

We know from articles here that Jacksonville is a very dangerous place for pedestrians.  We also know that the City Council somehow sleeps just fine knowing the deaths will continue and even increase because of their Mobility Fee Moratorium that encourages the same old development style. With the added bonus of costing their constituents more in taxes.

[mtraininjax]

I say jaywalk across Beach Blvd.

Wow, and legally blind going across 8 lanes of traffic with no regard for the dragstrip known as Beach Blvd?

You sir are a brave person. You must have 9 lives.

[Doctor_K]

How about any insight as to WHY this person was WALKING across the Hart Bridge EXPRESSWAY?

If you're brave/stupid enough to try to cross an EXPRESSWAY, then good luck.  I am sorry for her family's loss, for certain.  But really?  We're in an uproar about someone trying to cross a highway?

Where was she going?  If she was 'heading north', then certainly she was going downtown for something?   

Couldn't she take a bus (never mind.. 'JTA'.. duh..) or ask a friend or find some alternate mode of transportation to get where she was going? 

I'm also pro-"catwalk," but just because they're built doesn't mean they'll get used - just look at the anecdotes in this thread about people not using them and jaywalking anyway.  Don't know how we can just outright blame the city for this one...

[duvaldude08]

How about any insight as to WHY this person was WALKING across the Hart Bridge EXPRESSWAY?

If you're brave/stupid enough to try to cross an EXPRESSWAY, then good luck.  I am sorry for her family's loss, for certain.  But really?  We're in an uproar about someone trying to cross a highway?

Where was she going?  If she was 'heading north', then certainly she was going downtown for something?   

Couldn't she take a bus (never mind.. 'JTA'.. duh..) or ask a friend or find some alternate mode of transportation to get where she was going? 

I'm also pro-"catwalk," but just because they're built doesn't mean they'll get used - just look at the anecdotes in this thread about people not using them and jaywalking anyway.  Don't know how we can just outright blame the city for this one...

But we can blame them for poor planning from the beginning though. Our entire city is logstically screwed up honestly.

[mtraininjax]

But we can blame them for poor planning from the beginning though. Our entire city is logstically screwed up honestly.

I blame the Garbage Truck driver for going too fast and not paying attention to the road.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

But we can blame them for poor planning from the beginning though. Our entire city is logstically screwed up honestly.

I blame the Garbage Truck driver for going too fast and not paying attention to the road.

Still the truck driver's fault....

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-02-27/story/traffic-death-hart-expressway-apparent-suicide

Traffic death on Hart Expressway apparent suicide


Posted: February 27, 2012 - 10:30am  |  Updated: February 27, 2012 - 12:31pmPhoto  By Dan Scanlan jacksonville.com Copyright 2012 The Florida Times-Union. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. 
February 27, 2012 - 10:30am

A 27-year-old Southside woman hit and killed Tuesday morning on the Hart Expressway was an apparent suicide, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office.

Police said the woman was crossing the highway about 10 a.m. when a garbage truck hit her in the northbound lanes. Officers investigating the accident heard someone screaming from the Peppertree apartment complex just south of the expressway at 2800 University Blvd. S.

A detective went to the complex to find a 56-year-old woman who lived there holding a suicide note she had found in her car written by her daughter. The note, in part, referred to the expressway, according to the incident report. Then the victim was identified as the older woman’s daughter, police said.

The police investigation into the death is continuing, according to the Sheriff’s Office.

[wsansewjs]

Actually,

I blame and pity those who voted...

-Josh

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Actually,

I blame and pity those who voted...

-Josh

[wsansewjs]

Actually,

I blame and pity those who voted...

-Josh

Let me clarify... I blame and pity those who voted... for our politicians in the offices. It all started with us, the citizens who put these politicians in the office that some may or may not do anything to make the difference in this city for all of our problems especially public transportation, roads & highways, pedestrian-friendly obstructions, poor planning of economic development, and much more.

-Josh

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Actually,

I blame and pity those who voted...

-Josh

Let me clarify... I blame and pity those who voted... for our politicians in the offices. It all started with us, the citizens who put these politicians in the office that some may or may not do anything to make the difference in this city for all of our problems especially public transportation, roads & highways, pedestrian-friendly obstructions, poor planning of economic development, and much more.

-Josh

Eh.  The girl 'apparently' commited suicide.  You can't legislate that.   The only one's in this case you should pity are her friends and family who will probably feel like maybe there was more they could have done to prevent it, and the guy/girl driving the truck that will always wonder if he/she could have done something else to avoid the accident.

[wsansewjs]

Actually,

I blame and pity those who voted...

-Josh

Let me clarify... I blame and pity those who voted... for our politicians in the offices. It all started with us, the citizens who put these politicians in the office that some may or may not do anything to make the difference in this city for all of our problems especially public transportation, roads & highways, pedestrian-friendly obstructions, poor planning of economic development, and much more.

-Josh

Its Obama's fault this girl killed herself.

-Josh

[mtraininjax]

I blame and pity those who voted... for our politicians in the offices.

Wait, I'm With Alvin.....