Public School Number 4 Is On Fire

[Timkin]

Its time to tear PS4 down.  Actually, its well past time.  You can't save everything.

Another who does not care    

[Rumblefish]

+1  that is well-put.

It also about the generation (NOW) that has no regard.. It is about the majority of a city that has NO regard.  A Mayor with no regard.. An owner for 40 plus years with no regard..  A current owner who does business by ...?  No answering of phones, no response to letter... so  no regard.

Not enough people care.

For what would you suggest the building be used???  Past owners have attempted condos and apartments but there is no market.  I don't expect any owner to throw money down a hole.  And I don't want the City throwin that money down the hole either.

[Rumblefish]

Its time to tear PS4 down.  Actually, its well past time.  You can't save everything.

Another who does not care

I do care, but also completely understand the economic and use restraints.

[Timkin]

The possibilities are endless.   But mindless people like yourself just say.. tear it down.  Hey  you are entitled to your opinion. and you will probably get you way.  For your information two consecutive owners have prevented anything being done positively to do something usable with the building.  FACT.

But folks like you just say ..tear it down.  Perhaps if your house was being torn down , you might feel differently.


Welcome to the forum 

[Dog Walker]

Rumblefish, there have been many, many old schools re-purposed for other uses all over the country and here in Jacksonville too.

The least expensive and most logical use for Annie Lytle would be as a school again.  Any of the private school entities in this town have the money to rehab the building and make it back into a school.  Previous owner was actually blocked from this by the provision of the purchase from the School Board many years ago.  That is no longer operative, but the previous owner was completely unimaginative about new uses and never really marketed the property.

If a charter school can afford to remodel a dog track into a charter school, they could afford to update a school to be a school again.

[Jaxson]

Its time to tear PS4 down.  Actually, its well past time.  You can't save everything.

The problem, in my opinion, is not that the city is trying to save 'everything.'  I believe that we are not saving enough of our city's history.  Where Florida begins?  More like where Florida hits a dead end...

[Timkin]

Hes probably another one of our illustrious leaders

[JeffreyS]

+1  that is well-put.

It also about the generation (NOW) that has no regard.. It is about the majority of a city that has NO regard.  A Mayor with no regard.. An owner for 40 plus years with no regard..  A current owner who does business by ...?  No answering of phones, no response to letter... so  no regard.

Not enough people care.

For what would you suggest the building be used???  Past owners have attempted condos and apartments but there is no market.  I don't expect any owner to throw money down a hole.  And I don't want the City throwin that money down the hole either.

To this I say don't buy a historic property unless you want the responsibility of caring for a historic property.

[JHAT76]

Rather than mess with past owners and/or city has any of the groups wanting to save the school ever tried to buy the school outright?  Then you could develop whatever you want there.  I can see Rumblefish's point of not wanting to pour city money into a speculative development project.  Especially in a challenging situation.

Or would the owners never sell?

[Timkin]

+1  that is well-put.

It also about the generation (NOW) that has no regard.. It is about the majority of a city that has NO regard.  A Mayor with no regard.. An owner for 40 plus years with no regard..  A current owner who does business by ...?  No answering of phones, no response to letter... so  no regard.

Not enough people care.

For what would you suggest the building be used???  Past owners have attempted condos and apartments but there is no market.  I don't expect any owner to throw money down a hole.  And I don't want the City throwin that money down the hole either.

To this I say don't buy a historic property unless you want the responsibility of caring for a historic property.

Why don't you try reinforcing that statement to the past and present owners who did nothing at all with the historic property but let it rot and let it get destroyed inside.

As to buying the property, the OWNER would have to get on the other end of the telephone to have that happen. The owner will not.  The owner ignores everyone.. volunteers who want to maintain it. the City Code enforcement, INTERESTED parties in buying it.  THE OWNERS  are the problem.. not the building.

Please..  know what you're talking about before throwing around a bunch of conjecture.

[Rumblefish]

The possibilities are endless.   But mindless people like yourself just say.. tear it down. 

My suggestion is that you put your money where your mouth is.  If the possibilities are so endless, despite no one being able to find a use for the property in 40 years, find some investors and get it done.  You'd have tons of support

Perhaps if your house was being torn down , you might feel differently.

Not sure I see the analogy here.  Yeah, if my house was being torn down, I'd be pretty mad.  If I wanted to tear my house down but was being prevented from doing so, I would be upset as well.

[Rumblefish]

+1  that is well-put.

It also about the generation (NOW) that has no regard.. It is about the majority of a city that has NO regard.  A Mayor with no regard.. An owner for 40 plus years with no regard..  A current owner who does business by ...?  No answering of phones, no response to letter... so  no regard.

Not enough people care.

For what would you suggest the building be used???  Past owners have attempted condos and apartments but there is no market.  I don't expect any owner to throw money down a hole.  And I don't want the City throwin that money down the hole either.

To this I say don't buy a historic property unless you want the responsibility of caring for a historic property.

There is certainly merit to that argument and I agree.

[Rumblefish]

INTERESTED parties in buying it. 

That's simply not true.

[Timkin]

INTERESTED parties in buying it. 

That's simply not true.

What is simply not true.  and how would you know , unless.....

[Timkin]

The possibilities are endless.   But mindless people like yourself just say.. tear it down. 

My suggestion is that you put your money where your mouth is.  If the possibilities are so endless, despite no one being able to find a use for the property in 40 years, find some investors and get it done.  You'd have tons of support

If I personally had the money , this would long ago been resolved.   I put alot of time and sweat into trying to better the situation.. Nothing you could appreciate and certainly nothing you would stoop to doing.

All of you people with all the answers are all the same.    Just keep on running your mouth.


As I have previously stated.. You will probably get your wish and the building will be torn down.. Guess on who's dime?

Yours and mine.