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[I-10east]

The grave is dug 5 feet and 11 inches for Oakland: Roger Goodell rejects Oakland's last-ditch attempt to keep Raiders

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/oakland-raiders-stadium-proposal-las-vegas-relocation-vote-nfl-owners-mark-davis-032517

[spuwho]

The grave is dug 5 feet and 11 inches for Oakland: Roger Goodell rejects Oakland's last-ditch attempt to keep Raiders

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/oakland-raiders-stadium-proposal-las-vegas-relocation-vote-nfl-owners-mark-davis-032517

Fascinating is Fortress' involvement in the whole thing. (They own FEC RR at the moment)  They were going to finance, own the land and control seat licensing. Apparently, this is what the NFL objected to.

The City of Oakland was essentially giving up a majority of their control to Fortress to get the deal done and the NFL didn't like it.

NFL doesn't like corporate entities owning facilities (Lambeau & Packers got a grandfather) and this carries forward that. 

This just perpetuates what everyone has been saying about the NFL, they want to control everything. Fortress proposal would challenge that and keep the Raiders "poor".

[I-10east]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

[Jim]

Rams have moved.
Chargers have moved. 
Raiders are moving.


Jaguars.....still here. 

[Steve]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

[FlaBoy]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

[BridgeTroll]

Plus... Its a dry heat...lol

[funwithteeth]

Ah, yes the eight (or seven, really) games they'll play a year will be quite the tourist attraction.

The contempt this league has for its fans knows no bounds.

[FlaBoy]

Ah, yes the eight (or seven, really) games they'll play a year will be quite the tourist attraction.

The contempt this league has for its fans knows no bounds.

Which professional sports league treats their fans better? They all pretty much do the same things. It is a business.

[Steve]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

It's a larger market yes, but a more transient market than Jacksonville, and largely service industry and logistics. I think that people will attend, but I think it might win the award for most visiting fans in a stadium. Plus, I'm not sure how a tourist town is going to do well with filling a place on a Sunday - the day that business travelers arrive and leisure travelers are either arriving or departing.

To be clear, they'll fill the premium seats/suites in a heartbeat. I thin they're making the assumption that it will be a good environment for a team there.

I also think Mark Davis is making a huge assumption that they will do better than the new NHL team. That's a lot of a new entertainment dollar to absorb, especially when NHL tickets tend to be cheaper per game, and the NHL games are during the week (making it MUCH easier for a corporate conference to pick up 1,000 tickets for attendees).

This will be fine for a decade. After that, I'm curious.

[funwithteeth]

Ah, yes the eight (or seven, really) games they'll play a year will be quite the tourist attraction.

The contempt this league has for its fans knows no bounds.

Which professional sports league treats their fans better? They all pretty much do the same things. It is a business.

You're right, but my post is more in response to any spin that tries to paint this as anything other than just a move to line the pockets of a select few.

And the Raiders are not going to attract Las Vegas tourists; as Steve alluded to, they'll probably draw crowds for visits by popular teams—Cowboys, Steelers, Packers (and hey, two of those teams will only play there once every eight years)—and indifference for everyone else.

[Tacachale]

Ah, yes the eight (or seven, really) games they'll play a year will be quite the tourist attraction.

The contempt this league has for its fans knows no bounds.

Which professional sports league treats their fans better? They all pretty much do the same things. It is a business.

You're right, but my post is more in response to any spin that tries to paint this as anything other than just a move to line the pockets of a select few.

And the Raiders are not going to attract Las Vegas tourists; as Steve alluded to, they'll probably draw crowds for visits by popular teams—Cowboys, Steelers, Packers (and hey, two of those teams will only play there once every eight years)—and indifference for everyone else.

Yes, it's a business move at the expense of fans and taxpayers who have supported the Raiders in the Bay Area over the years. Even discounting the $750 million that Nevada taxpayers are putting in, the Raiders could have spent the remaining $1 billion+ they'll be spending in Nevada in Oakland. But like the owners of the Chargers and the Rams, they're butthurt about the locals defying their outlandish requests for subsidies.

Regardless, the team will do just fine in Vegas for the foreseeable future. NFL teams practically print their own money at this point; no reason Las Vegas would be different. The NHL team can't be thrilled about the competition, though.

[spuwho]

JDR will love it. His net pay will go up 25%.

Nevada doesnt have the regressive top tier income tax California does.

He can get a mansion in the foothills and miss all that California traffic too.

[JaxAvondale]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

It's a larger market yes, but a more transient market than Jacksonville, and largely service industry and logistics. I think that people will attend, but I think it might win the award for most visiting fans in a stadium. Plus, I'm not sure how a tourist town is going to do well with filling a place on a Sunday - the day that business travelers arrive and leisure travelers are either arriving or departing.

To be clear, they'll fill the premium seats/suites in a heartbeat. I thin they're making the assumption that it will be a good environment for a team there.

I also think Mark Davis is making a huge assumption that they will do better than the new NHL team. That's a lot of a new entertainment dollar to absorb, especially when NHL tickets tend to be cheaper per game, and the NHL games are during the week (making it MUCH easier for a corporate conference to pick up 1,000 tickets for attendees).

This will be fine for a decade. After that, I'm curious.

The Raiders and NHL won't interfere much. The NHL doesn't even start until October. The playoffs aren't till April. Vegas is a very good sports town. The locals will absolutely support this team and they won't need many tourists to fill the place.

Also, this will put Vegas in the regular SB rotation which will be a boon for the hotels during a time that is normally slow.

[JaxAvondale]

Also, I want to point out that the tax subsidy is going to come from hotel taxes.