Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

[gatorback]

24-hour record high temperatures set in Washington and northern Idaho for August 16 2008,

[civil42806]

obvious evidence of climate change,  PREPARE THE INQUISITION!!!!

[Charleston native]

I am fully prepared for...

...THE COMFY CHAIR!!!!

[Lunican]

NOAA: Fifth Warmest July on Record for Globe
August 15, 2008

The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for July 2008 tied with 2001 and 2003 as the fifth warmest July since worldwide records began in 1880, according to an analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.

Also, the seven months from January to July 2008 ranked as the ninth warmest seven-month period for combined average global land and ocean surface temperature.

Global Temperatures

The July 2008 combined global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.88 degree F (0.49 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 60.4 degrees F (15.8 degrees C). For the January â€" July period, the combined global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.81 degree F (0.45 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 56.9 degrees F (13.8 degrees C).

Separately, the global land surface temperature for July was 1.22 degrees F (0.68 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 57.8 degrees F (14.3 degrees C). For January â€" July, the global land surface temperature was 1.35 degrees F (0.75 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 46.8 degrees F (8.3 degrees C).

The July global ocean surface temperature was 0.76 degree F (0.42 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 61.5 degrees F (16.4 degrees C). The January â€" July global ocean surface temperature was 0.61 degrees F (0.34 degrees C) above the 20th century mean of 61.0 degrees F (16.1 degrees C).

More Details:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080815_ncdc.html

[tufsu1]

let's keep this simple...global warming, global cooling, climate change, or whatever you might choose to call it may exist....and it may not....but if there are things we can do to be better stewards of Planet Earth, why not?

Since many right-wing people like to quote religion and morals...isn't that what the bible teaches us to do?

[gatorback]

I might be a 1/2 brian but I'm not 100% brianless.  Troll maybe, but not brianless. Lol.

[RiversideGator]

NOAA: Fifth Warmest July on Record for Globe
August 15, 2008

The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for July 2008 tied with 2001 and 2003 as the fifth warmest July since worldwide records began in 1880, according to an analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.

Also, the seven months from January to July 2008 ranked as the ninth warmest seven-month period for combined average global land and ocean surface temperature.

Global Temperatures

The July 2008 combined global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.88 degree F (0.49 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 60.4 degrees F (15.8 degrees C). For the January â€" July period, the combined global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.81 degree F (0.45 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 56.9 degrees F (13.8 degrees C).

Separately, the global land surface temperature for July was 1.22 degrees F (0.68 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 57.8 degrees F (14.3 degrees C). For January â€" July, the global land surface temperature was 1.35 degrees F (0.75 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 46.8 degrees F (8.3 degrees C).

The July global ocean surface temperature was 0.76 degree F (0.42 degree C) above the 20th century mean of 61.5 degrees F (16.4 degrees C). The January â€" July global ocean surface temperature was 0.61 degrees F (0.34 degrees C) above the 20th century mean of 61.0 degrees F (16.1 degrees C).

More Details:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080815_ncdc.html

The problem here is the surface temperature measurements are not in agreement with the ocean temperature measurements or the satellite data.  This gives rise to the idea that the heat island effect and other data problems are causing the data to look "hot" when it is actually faulty.

[RiversideGator]

tufsu.

The secret is that there are only four thick skulled flat earthers left in jacksonville who seriously think that there is some 'controversy' over climate change.

Unfortunately they all post on here, led by one troll who shuts down conversation with his brainless nonsense and multiple postings.

When we look back at our flooded coastline, I do promise however that the name of a single attorney will be tied forever to the question
"why didnt these dumbasses even prepare for flooding?"

Let's see, here we have an
1)  ad hominem attack;
2)  straw man argument and
3)  an appeal to ridicule.

All these logical fallacies in one post and not one single fact.  Stephen, you have really outdone yourself this time.

[RiversideGator]

Now we know why you had to drop the Rezko Special Investigation, River......
keep up the good work, proving the scientists of the world wrong.

Yet another appeal to ridicule.  Perhaps you should post some facts or science for us now.

[RiversideGator]

Stephen:  The naming of the person at whom the ad hominem attack is directed is not required.  Read the following for a brief description of your favorite debating tactic:

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[Lunican]

The problem here is the surface temperature measurements are not in agreement with the ocean temperature measurements or the satellite data.  This gives rise to the idea that the heat island effect and other data problems are causing the data to look "hot" when it is actually faulty.

How are they not in agreement?

[RiversideGator]

Both satellite and ocean temperature readings show cooling.

[Lunican]

Not according to NOAA.

[RiversideGator]

Not according to NOAA.

NOAA says that subsea temps and satellite data show present warming?  Please post a link so I can read this.

[Lunican]

So if sub sea temperatures have decreased as you claim, and the surface temperatures have increased, what conclusion would you draw from this? When thinking about your response, please take into consideration the location of Earth's energy source.