Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

[samiam]

On 6th July 1960 the U. S. Air Force responded to Prof. Charles H. Hapgood of Keene College, specifically to his request for an evaluation of the ancient Piri Reis Map:

6, July, 1960
Subject: Admiral Piri Reis Map
TO: Prof. Charles H. Hapgood
Keene College
Keene, New Hampshire


Dear Professor Hapgood,
Your request of evaluation of certain unusual features of the Piri Reis map of 1513 by this organization has been reviewed.
The claim that the lower part of the map portrays the Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land, Antarctic, and the Palmer Peninsular, is reasonable. We find that this is the most logical and in all probability the correct interpretation of the map.
The geographical detail shown in the lower part of the map agrees very remarkably with the results of the seismic profile made across the top of the ice-cap by the Swedish-British Antarctic Expedition of 1949.
This indicates the coastline had been mapped before it was covered by the ice-cap.
The ice-cap in this region is now about a mile thick.
We have no idea how the data on this map can be reconciled with the supposed state of geographical knowledge in 1513.

Harold Z. Ohlmeyer Lt. Colonel, USAF Commander

[Charleston native]

and contrary to the rantings of the global cooling folks...

Study Finds New Evidence of Warming in Antarctica

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/science/earth/22climate.html?_r=1

The NYTimes has lost any credibility it ever had after its so-called journalism on issues like glo-bulll warming and the election. If you're going to use that rag as a resource, you might as well quote something from DailyKos.

Actually, gator, that ship is called a cutter. Its primary mission is to "cut" ice away to rescue ships that become trapped when the water freezes. Other missions involve air and sea rescue. If it does any research on sea ice, it is secondary. BTW, what evidence do you have that the Coast Guard uses its manpower and resources to specifically concentrate on measuring ice depth? List a viable source, please.

[gatorback]

OK CN.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel6/8271/26015/01160229.pdf?temp=x

http://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/cgcHealy/

That's not just any old ice breaker. With over 50 scientists on board what the heck are they doing? Think.

I suppose to you a study on ice by scientist on an ice breaker would be useless.

[gatorback]

CN.  No. They don't cut anything.  They ride up on the ice and the weight of the ship breaks the ice.  Hence Ice breaker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Healy

[samiam]

I am not sure that globule warming is man made, It is my understanding that one major volcanic eruption expells more greenhouse gasses than the human race has in its entire history. We as a people should not debate why we should protect the environment and why the ice shelf is melting (it has melted before and it will melt again). At this point we have all benefited from the damage done to the environment. (the industrial revolution). The reason we should strive to find alternative energy and reduce the pollutants that we produce is plain and simple ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!

[gatorback]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaker

Why is every post of some people on this site just fundamentally wrong?  I mean, every freaking post wrong.  You'd have to be a monkey at the keyboard to get everything wrong right? 

[samiam]

There is a rating in the Coast Guard called a MST Marine science technician also known as whale counters and duck scrubbers that are part of the crew of a polar ice breaker

Chief engineer USCG RET

[samiam]

A cutter is any Coast Guard vessel 65 feet in length or more, which has living accommodations for its crew. Larger cutters (over 180 feet in length) are under control of Area Commands (Atlantic Area or Pacific Area). Cutters at or under 180 feet in length come under control of District Commands, except for Patrol Boats that come under the control of the Group Commands. The high and medium endurance cutters, which are under the control of the Area Commands, are used for conducting law enforcement and defense operations, marine science and search and rescue missions and coastal surveillance. Cutters usually have a motor surf boat and/or a rigid hull inflatable boat on board. Some cutters have helicopter flight decks.

[gatorback]

What in the heck would they being doing with a coring machine?  Gee, I wonder.

USCGC HEALY

Commissioned in 2000, the newest icebreaker in the fleet, Coast Guard Cutter, Healy, conducts a wide range of research activities.  Although it has assisted in breaking the channel into McMurdo Station, its primary mission is supporting Arctic science.  Healy is designed to break 4.5 feet of ice continuously at 3 knots and can operate in temperatures as low as -45 degrees Celsius (-50 degrees Fahrenheit).

The Healy has over 5,000 square-feet of science laboratories and science support rooms, as well as covered staging areas and exterior space on deck to carry out science research.  The ship accommodates up to 50 scientists, along with seven labs, two climate-controlled chambers, electronic sensor systems, oceanographic winches, refrigerated space, a freezer and three cargo holds that provide up to 20,000 cubic feet of storage.

The ship includes the latest in polar research equipment and systems, integrated by a modular science data network: a bottom-mapping sonar system; a depth-sounding and sub-bottom profiler; a conductivity-depth-temperature (CTD) acquisition and analysis system; an acoustic Doppler current profiler; a rosette water sampling system; a continuous-flow, seawater sampling system; a jumbo-piston coring system; and a bow tower for clean air experiments are among the Healy's capabilities.

In 2001, scientists on a cruise to the Arctic Ocean found evidence that the Gakkel Ridge, the world's slowest spreading mid-ocean ridge, may be volcanically active, and that conditions in a field of undersea vents, known as "black smokers," could support previously unknown species of marine life.  Scientists on the Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition (AMORE) said they were able to map the ridge in great detail from the Healy because the vessel was much quieter than expected when breaking ice .

[samiam]

If any of you wish to learn about ice breakers there is a show about them on the history channel now

[gatorback]

Wow.  That was very informative.  CN:  Keep typing you'll get something right... eventually.  LOL

Actually, gator, that ship is called a cutter. Its primary mission is to "cut" ice away to rescue ships that become trapped when the water freezes. Other missions involve air and sea rescue. If it does any research on sea ice, it is secondary. BTW, what evidence do you have that the Coast Guard uses its manpower and resources to specifically concentrate on measuring ice depth? List a viable source, please.

[jandar]

They changed the measure to a 50 year measure to get the results they needed.

FACT, Antarctica has been cooling the past 4 decades. If you include the previous 10 years, it shows a slight increase.


For the past 20 years, it has cooled.

However, once again, I point out that they simply found the date range they wanted to support their "grab for money grants" I mean theory of AGW.

Of course, the article once again fails to mention the volcanic activity under the ice in western Antarctica.

Since you like to quote the NYT. I will quote another article for you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/world/21volcano.html?refer=science

Or maybe you would like this:
http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/volcanoes-and-antarctic-warming/

Geothermal heat could be contributing to another phenomenon, the thinning of glaciers

[Charleston native]

I'll admit I got the identity of the ship incorrect. I basically confused an ice breaker with a cutter (which are found in many Coast Guard stations around the country). However, if you didn't just post a picture and your "worthwhile" opinion and at least back it up with a link or quoted reference, then I wouldn't have made the assumption.

At least I will admit when I'm wrong. You Climate Changers keep drinking the Kool Aid thinking you're right about the environment...it continues to demonstrate your vanity and pseudo-intellect. Even when proven wrong, you cling to your new religion. Then follow it up with projection. It truly is pathetic.

[Charleston native]

Considering that the New York Times has been accurate in both its reporting and analysis of the election (newsflash my friend, Obama and the Democratic Party won, and they won big---certainly the entire nation doesnt read The Grey Lady, do they?) one wonders on what basis you are casting aspersions as to their credibility?

Now if they had made insane statements like "Obama to Lose Election" and "Republicans Running Strong Due to Popularity and Success of Their Programs" then we would have to wonder what the hell was going through the heads of their reporters, considering the election outcome.

Likewise, if they continue to report the studies released by the legitimate and appointed scientific bodies charged with studying these matters, one would conclude that they were 'credibly' reporting the 'news'.

But what would happen if they decided to print the opinions of faith healers and apple farmers instead?

That would be reasonable grounds for concluding that there had been a loss of credibility.

Considering that their reporting of the elections was accurate, and apparently the sources you decided to read were INaccurate, I wonder what basis for judgement you are using there, CN?

You truly missed my point. As an Obama cult follower, you have no idea what you're talking about. My concern about the NYTimes was not their prediction (which is meaningless), but about their blatant bias while reporting on the candidates. The Times, along with MSNBC, have been the reporting arm of the liberal Democrat party.

Incidentally, The Grey Lady has been steadily losing revenue and laying off employees because of it. While it may hold a reputation of high stature in liberal circles, it is slowly dying. Check out how the Times wants a part of the bailout package.

[gatorback]

This isn't about the name, it is about the research the ship is doing as it relates to this topic.

Remember, as an adult one gets to decide which side to error on.  You'd think that with what's at stake one would error on the side of caution or climate change.

Looks like Obama gets it.