The Jacksonville Jaguars

[MusicMan]

Getting our asses whipped today.

I don't understand all the talk about the stadium. If the team was a consistent winner they jags could pretty much do whatever they want. BUT THEY ARE NOT. They are a consistent loser. Please someone count all the winning seasons in the last 12 years. I get: 1

I feel like the Jags are saying. "if we had a brand new stadium the team would start winning and we could host a playoff game."
Put a winner on the field and nobody cares about the damn video boards. The place will be rocking, and the concessions and other game day related revenue would soar. Every income stream would increase with a winner on the field. We do not have an elite defense OR offense.

[jaxjags]

AKA: January 2000 Jaguars 63 Dolphins 7. Full rocking stadium 2 hours before kick-off. And that was the 72,000 fans days, with non existent scoreboards and PA system.

[I-10east]

I don't even wanna talk about that debacle of a game in Indy. I understand from Khan's point of view wanting to enhance the stadium experience but like others said, we really need a winning product on the field, that's the number one priority.

I really roll my eyes when Khan says (paraphrased) "There isn't (seemingly) a market for football in Jax". Is there a market for football in Tampa? or Cincinnati? or Washington? Those NFL teams also have been on some noticeable attendance slumps (with TB and CIN being worst than JAX, and WASH worse than JAX stadium percentage-wise). Those other owners aren't so short-fused with their subpar teams like our owner is....

The only owner that should be 'worrying about that state of the franchise in a city" as a number one priority should be Dean Spanos in LA.

[copperfiend]

This season is on life support after yesterday's debacle. The team appears headed for another 5 or 6 win season.

The biggest mistake that Khan could make it to have another passive rebuild. He has to show a real commitment to winning. Something he has not done in his time as owner.

If the season continues the way it looks now, they need to clean house. Fire Marrone, fire Caldwell, fire Coughlin. They waited way too long to fire Bradley. And instead of bringing in a new voice, they just promoted one of his assistants. And despite a putrid record, Caldwell still has a job.

The team is 50 games below .500 with Khan as owner, at 36-86. There is no other explanation needed for why there are empty seats at every game.

[Snaketoz]

The Jaguar's always seem to pay top dollar for mediocrity.  This team lacks discipline and that is all on the head coach.  So tired of the Bradleyesque refrain after each loss that "we'll work on it".  This team is BAD.  I wasn't able to watch the game yesterday and I'm glad.  It is complete torture to watch.  We deserve better.

[Kerry]

This season is on life support after yesterday's debacle. The team appears headed for another 5 or 6 win season.

The biggest mistake that Khan could make it to have another passive rebuild. He has to show a real commitment to winning. Something he has not done in his time as owner.

If the season continues the way it looks now, they need to clean house. Fire Marrone, fire Caldwell, fire Coughlin. They waited way too long to fire Bradley. And instead of bringing in a new voice, they just promoted one of his assistants. And despite a putrid record, Caldwell still has a job.

The team is 50 games below .500 with Khan as owner, at 36-86. There is no other explanation needed for why there are empty seats at every game.

I don't think Khan cares about winning all that much.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194473/franchise-value-of-the-jacksonville-jaguars-since-2006/

on edit: this might be a better link to similar data.
https://www.forbes.com/teams/jacksonville-jaguars/#2b6407e23a8e

This is a staggering quote.

The Jaguars set a team record last season for ticket revenue, but it still pales in comparison to other NFL teams. The team's Week 3 win over the Patriots was a franchise-revenue record but was only the 161st highest revenue for NFL game last year, according to team president Mark Lamping.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

And despite a putrid record, Caldwell still has a job.

I feel like I'm channeling my inner 'Gene Smith isn't a horrible GM' self of years past, but I (and I might be the only one) don't think Caldwell has done a horrible job as GM.  Have some top picks not worked out?  Absolutely.  Have we hit on some great mid-draft picks?  Yes.  FA pickups have been pretty solid, there have been some questionable ones, but for the most part, we seemed to have hit on some solid guys who've played here for quite a while.  So for the most part, I feel like he's put some talent on the roster - at least enough to win more than what we have.  I think I would like to keep him on staff, let TC retire and bring in TK as the new Czar and let his analytics give it a shot.  I only keep DC if you don't think you can find another GM who would come on-board knowing that they're in a committee type role, and might not have final say.

And I like Marrone, but I don't know if it's him or his coordinators or the position coaches or just the entire unit as a whole, but there's far too many games when we go out there and just seem 'lost' - On both sides of the ball.  Offenses are running on us this year at a record pace.  Our RZ scoring is putrid.  We just got manhandled on both sides of the line.  So for me, the biggest issue is with our Front 5 - from LT to RT and I again, I don't know if it's more about coaching, scheme or talent. 

So I'm finally somewhat on board with blowing it up after yesterday's showing. 

[copperfiend]

And despite a putrid record, Caldwell still has a job.

I feel like I'm channeling my inner 'Gene Smith isn't a horrible GM' self of years past, but I (and I might be the only one) don't think Caldwell has done a horrible job as GM.  Have some top picks not worked out?  Absolutely.  Have we hit on some great mid-draft picks?  Yes.  FA pickups have been pretty solid, there have been some questionable ones, but for the most part, we seemed to have hit on some solid guys who've played here for quite a while.  So for the most part, I feel like he's put some talent on the roster - at least enough to win more than what we have.  I think I would like to keep him on staff, let TC retire and bring in TK as the new Czar and let his analytics give it a shot.  I only keep DC if you don't think you can find another GM who would come on-board knowing that they're in a committee type role, and might not have final say.

And I like Marrone, but I don't know if it's him or his coordinators or the position coaches or just the entire unit as a whole, but there's far too many games when we go out there and just seem 'lost' - On both sides of the ball.  Offenses are running on us this year at a record pace.  Our RZ scoring is putrid.  We just got manhandled on both sides of the line.  So for me, the biggest issue is with our Front 5 - from LT to RT and I again, I don't know if it's more about coaching, scheme or talent. 

So I'm finally somewhat on board with blowing it up after yesterday's showing. 

Caldwell has been a dud.

His entire 2013 was bad.

His 2014 class showed promise. But Bortles was a huge miss in the top 5.

Dante Fowler was another top 5 miss.

Ramsey was great but he is already gone.

And look at the free agent classes he signed from 2013-16. Awful.

[copperfiend]

The biggest mistake that Khan could make it to have another passive rebuild. He has to show a real commitment to winning. Something he has not done in his time as owner.

That overall  record is staggering especially after the advantages the Jags got with the CBA at the start of the Con regime. But while I am no fan of Con( thought I was going to love him)I don't think the issue is his own commitment to winning. He just made some bad decisions on his own hires on the football side.No clue where he got his advice. If it was Weaver, that is telling considering how his ownership ended. I still remember  the bizarre start of keeping Gene and having him hire Mularkey. Odd decision and unfortunately didn't get much better.

At least there was 2017.

I still don't know if he just liked Caldwell too much, trusted him too much, or Caldwell has compromising photos.

Maybe Khan just doesn't know how to win. He has shown the ability to put a team together that can build a winner. 2017 was great but it was clearly an outlier year. Not coincidentally one where Andrew Luck and Desean Watson missed time with injury.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

And despite a putrid record, Caldwell still has a job.

I feel like I'm channeling my inner 'Gene Smith isn't a horrible GM' self of years past, but I (and I might be the only one) don't think Caldwell has done a horrible job as GM.  Have some top picks not worked out?  Absolutely.  Have we hit on some great mid-draft picks?  Yes.  FA pickups have been pretty solid, there have been some questionable ones, but for the most part, we seemed to have hit on some solid guys who've played here for quite a while.  So for the most part, I feel like he's put some talent on the roster - at least enough to win more than what we have.  I think I would like to keep him on staff, let TC retire and bring in TK as the new Czar and let his analytics give it a shot.  I only keep DC if you don't think you can find another GM who would come on-board knowing that they're in a committee type role, and might not have final say.

And I like Marrone, but I don't know if it's him or his coordinators or the position coaches or just the entire unit as a whole, but there's far too many games when we go out there and just seem 'lost' - On both sides of the ball.  Offenses are running on us this year at a record pace.  Our RZ scoring is putrid.  We just got manhandled on both sides of the line.  So for me, the biggest issue is with our Front 5 - from LT to RT and I again, I don't know if it's more about coaching, scheme or talent. 

So I'm finally somewhat on board with blowing it up after yesterday's showing. 

Obviously we just disagree on Caldwell and that is fine but it just mystifies me when people defend this guy. Of course he has added good talent to the roster!
I really think you have to take into consideration the change to cap rollover he was able to start with and the fact that he has been working with greatest draft capital ( just "earned"from team record) in history. Think of how many years and rounds ( not just first) he has picked before virtually every other team. Throw in the top 5 pick mistakes not being financially crippling like the used to be and how could he not put talent on the roster?  If you are saying the coaches have just wasted all of Caldwell's brilliant moves, ok. But then doesn't he have to be killed more for bad hires?

Like I said, I think I'm ready for Tony Khan (TK) to take the reigns on talent acquisition.

If there's another GM out there that would be OK coming into a situation where they would be more of a committee approach v/s having full control, then get one. 

Dave had already taken a step down when TC got here, so to keep him on isn't necessarily a bad thing for me because outside of taking LF27 over DW4 in 2017 - most everyone of those picks has been solid and I attribute that to the 'committee' style that they had to use rather than DC just making the pick he felt was best.

And TK has already had quite a bit of input and from my understanding has pulled some quality players from the dregs of the draft and UDFA.   Let's see what he can do at the top of the draft.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Wait..I just noticed the comment about defending Gene Smith. I think we are done here.

I admittedly rode that bus right off the cliff and it wasn't until my spirit was was whisking away did I realize the mistake I made.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Wait..I just noticed the comment about defending Gene Smith. I think we are done here.

I admittedly rode that bus right off the cliff and it wasn't until my spirit was was whisking away did I realize the mistake I made.

In his defense, he was operating under some serious financial constraints throughout the entire organization. That being said, some truly amazing decisions and another "smartest guy in the room" that seemed to always want to prove it no matter what. His reasoning for drafting a punter in the 3rd round was legendary.

TBF, we used a punter more than most. 

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I am obviously biased but I vote give Nick Caserio whatever amount it takes to run the whole show. I really do not want the Texans to get him.

As good as the Pats have been on the field for the last 20 years, they've been better in letting go of people - players and coaches - who've been unable to do anything with their next teams. 

Garoppolo looks like he might be the exception, but he's still really only in year 1.5

[Wacca Pilatka]

Wait..I just noticed the comment about defending Gene Smith. I think we are done here.

I admittedly rode that bus right off the cliff and it wasn't until my spirit was was whisking away did I realize the mistake I made.

It wasn't just you.

I recognized the financial constraints, dramatically overrated the 2009 draft after the first season for those players, bought into some Vic Ketchman hype about some undrafted guys like Cam Bradfield and Julius Williams, and went full-bore in defending the selection of Alualu (not least because Gene avoided drafting He Who Shall Not Be Named).  I even overlooked his taking two kick returners and Larry Hart in the 2010 draft because of it.  Trading up for Gabbert seemed like a dandy idea at the time.  I thought some casual Jag fans went way overboard on the "small schools" talk, given that Cecil Shorts was pretty good and that some of the "S-E-C!!!!1!!" crowd would say, e.g., Eugene Monroe from Virginia was a "small school" pick.  I bought a Bryan Anger jersey out of defiance.

It wasn't until 2012 that the accumulation of random unnecessary trade-ups, overpayments for free agents like Laurent Robinson, and draft picks like Rod Issac made me realize the man had a screw loose.
(Also: Guy Whimper, starting tackle)

[Wacca Pilatka]

Same for Jones-Drew and Garrard