The Jacksonville Jaguars

duvaldude08 · May 16, 2013, 10:08:28 AM

Quote from: I-10east on May 16, 2013, 10:06:44 AM
Hey, you're preaching to the choir Megatron. BTW, Montel Owens just got released.

I kinda seen that coming. He never really had a defined role and with Denard Robinson coming in, I figured they would release him eventually.

duvaldude08 · May 16, 2013, 10:09:29 AM

Havent heard Jeremy Minceys name recently either.. I wonder if hes getting the boot. They have not mentioned AT ALL lately.

I-10east · May 16, 2013, 10:24:32 AM

Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 16, 2013, 10:06:16 AM
He did numerous ass backwards things that set this franchise back and has made very bad business decisions during his tenure.

What bad business deals, you mean like the Winn Dixie buy up tickets at a discount price so the games could be televised, in turn lowering the value of the franchise? Well, he could have done what was good for 'business' by selling the franchise to someone who would move it to LA or somewhere, would that have been better? Bottomline teams often go through ups, and downs.

The only thing that I didn't like that Weaver did was kinda put the fans on blast going to the commish with the blackout problems during the recession in 08'. That's what people's beef need to be with Weaver if anything else! So I don't blame him for some struggling losing years, blame every owner if you do that. I fell like many in Jacksonville always have this twisted mindset; the things that can give a crap about Jax, they like; the things that truly helps Jax, they dog out. Just my 2.

copperfiend · May 16, 2013, 10:30:14 AM

Weaver had a lot of mis-steps the second half of his tenure here. The W/D deal was the beginning of the end really. And the tarps have been a albatross for this city and franchise.

But without him, we would not have had the team in the first place. And it appears like he sold the team to the right guy at the right time.

I-10east · May 16, 2013, 10:33:32 AM

^^^No, the W/D deal wasn't 'the end'. A business savvy lucrative deal with a LA buyer would have been the end. Everyone already knew that the stadium was too big, so I'm not even gonna comment on the tarps. Just let the team blackout all of the time YAY! instant success!!

Wacca Pilatka · May 16, 2013, 10:34:02 AM

I think with Alualu, the idea was that with his quickness and ability to penetrate, he'd be a John Randle, Maa Tanuvasa type of DT, and that Knighton's bulk and ability to absorb blocks would give him the freedom to do that.

Due to Alualu's knee problems and Knighton's regression, it didn't work out the way it was intended. He's far from a bad player, especially considering that he's played hurt; but he's been unable to recapture his college and rookie season quickness with the injuries, and I think Knighton's struggles put Alualu in positions he was not intended to be used in or lined up, where he was getting pushed around and looking bad to some fans. He's not bad and will probably be useful as a 3-4 end.

It's hard to see where Mincey and Lane fit in on the line now. Babin and Branch are the "leo" ends who line up wide, Alualu and Deaderick the anchor-type run-stopping ends, Marks and Miller at DT. I don't think either has the size to be anchors or the speed to be LEOs and I'm not sure how they fit in the Bradley system if at all.

duvaldude08 · May 16, 2013, 10:44:11 AM

Quote from: I-10east on May 16, 2013, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 16, 2013, 10:06:16 AM
He did numerous ass backwards things that set this franchise back and has made very bad business decisions during his tenure.

What bad business deals, you mean like the Winn Dixie buy up tickets at a discount price so the games could be televised, in turn lowering the value of the franchise? Well, he could have done what was good for 'business' by selling the franchise to someone who would move it to LA or somewhere, would that have been better? Bottomline teams often go through ups, and downs.

The only thing that I didn't like that Weaver did was kinda put the fans on blast going to the commish with the blackout problems during the recession in 08'. That's what people's beef need to be with Weaver if anything else! So I don't blame him for some struggling losing years, blame every owner if you do that. I fell like many in Jacksonville always have this twisted mindset; the things that can give a crap about Jax, they like; the things that truly helps Jax, they dog out. Just my 2.

Just the ticket giveaway and the tarps could have crippled this franchise alone. We are a small market and stadium revenue is our bread and butter. That situation alone sent us on a downhill spiral that we are just recently recovering from. The other things I talking about are just they way he ran the franchise in general. The organizational structure alone was a complete mess. The team practically had no marketing what so ever. Why do you think it was so easy for a new regime to come in and fix the business side? It was out of whack. period.

He was also entirely too emotionally vested. He had a tendancy of extending contracts when he gets excited (Del Rio and Garrad after the play off run in 2007.) Then he was extending players contract, including Gene's before he offically sold the team, which should not have been done. Not to mention he promised MJD a new contract then the new onwer had to deal with the crap. Im not saying that WW did not love this franchise. He does and he always did what he thought was in our best interest. Unfortnately those things had a negative effect. He even admitted he screwed up.

duvaldude08 · May 16, 2013, 10:52:59 AM

Quote from: copperfiend on May 16, 2013, 10:30:14 AM
Weaver had a lot of mis-steps the second half of his tenure here. The W/D deal was the beginning of the end really. And the tarps have been a albatross for this city and franchise.

But without him, we would not have had the team in the first place. And it appears like he sold the team to the right guy at the right time.

And thats the part I acknowledge and appreciate. Thanks to KenFSU I had a real history lesson awhile back on the franchise, amoung reading an old article online. He really could have just walked out on us, but he didnt and he stayed to fight for us. Like I stated earlier I think he just was trying to do it all and he shouldnt have. Not being funny, a nice person does not make a great NFL owner.

copperfiend · May 16, 2013, 10:53:25 AM

Quote from: I-10east on May 16, 2013, 10:33:32 AM
^^^No, the W/D deal wasn't 'the end'. A business savvy lucrative deal with a LA buyer would have been the end. Everyone already knew that the stadium was too big, so I'm not even gonna comment on the tarps. Just let the team blackout all of the time YAY! instant success!!

The W/D ticket giveaway was a total disaster. He completely devalued our season tickets by giving them away for free at a grocery store. I had extra tickets for a few games that year and literally could not give them away standing outside the stadium prior to a game.

I-10east · May 16, 2013, 10:58:29 AM

^^^Big wig owners make questionable decisions all of the time in the NFL, so that's just not limited to Weaver. Many was cool with the Gene Smith re-up hell I was, but how oh so easy it is to look back in history. I still think the main thing he did that i didn't like was going to Goodell with the blackout issue. Everyone wants to mention the W/D and tarp issues but no one has any solutions besides letting the team blackout in a humongous cavernous stadium which would have gotten us on a one-way ticket to LA; What would you have done in that situation?

duvaldude08 · May 16, 2013, 11:18:19 AM

Quote from: I-10east on May 16, 2013, 10:58:29 AM
^^^Big wig owners make questionable decisions all of the time in the NFL, so that's just not limited to Weaver. Many was cool with the Gene Smith re-up hell I was, but how oh so easy it is to look back in history. I still think the main thing he did that i didn't like was going to Goodell with the blackout issue. Everyone wants to mention the W/D and tarp issues but no one has any solutions besides letting the team blackout in a humorous cavernous stadium which would have gotten us on a one-way ticket to LA; What would you have done in that situation?

Do you think its just magic that new regime was able to sell tickets in the midst of a 2-14 season? The answer was marketing. We could not solve a ticket sell issue by covering up seats. And giving away tickets? They did That was a band aid (literally

). You also can not guilt people into buying tickets and threaten blackouts if they dont. What Lampkin has done since he was hired is an example of how you market and sell tickets. Again, we are in small market. Things mistakes of that nature effect us a lot more than larger markets. We have a very slim margin of error, especially when it comes to money, Stadium revenue is how we survive. Also with being a small market, you have to be more creative in selling tickets, brining in revenue, etc. You have to market the team. What they are doing in London is huge for this franchise. We having marketing rights in another country. Just the game alone is going to bring a crap load of revenue, which will keep the ticket cost down in Jax, which could result in us selling more tickets here.

copperfiend · May 16, 2013, 11:23:30 AM

Khan and Lamping have made it a point to reach to counties outside of Duval. They've held rallies in Savannah, Valdosta, Gainesville. Last preseason, our games were carried in four states. We had 70k people three times last year watching the worst team in franchise history.

MEGATRON · May 16, 2013, 11:31:28 AM

I am eager to see ticket sales data. The Jags are saying the right things but I know way more people dropping tickets than people getting new tickets.

I-10east · May 16, 2013, 11:33:47 AM

I agree that the marketing is an obvious upgrade with Khan BUT an untarped EverBank Field is dang near 77,000 or so, and with the tarps it's at 67,000. Soldier Field is even smaller than the Bank with tarps. the stadium is obviously too big for this market. Look around the league with these new stadiums, none of them outside of Dallas is larger than 70K. So if we slump with a bad season, 67K would be bad enough, try adding another 10K.

Non-RedNeck Westsider · May 16, 2013, 11:36:09 AM

Quote from: MEGATRON on May 16, 2013, 11:31:28 AM
I am eager to see ticket sales data. The Jags are saying the right things but I know way more people dropping tickets than people getting new tickets.

I guess it depends.... I know of about 15 people at St. V's that just bought season tickets for the first time, anywhere from 1 to 6 each. There was a small discount given to St. V employees and several people jumped at the chance.

And sure, you can say, 'so what?', but that's still approx. 30-40 season tickets sold in one day at one hospital.... How many hospitals were given the same opportunity?