The Jacksonville Jaguars

[duvaldude08]

I know I'm late on this but M80 isn't going anywhere. The Jags just gave him an extension a few months ago. If you recall last year Mike was more of a number 2 or slot option, not playing the #1 WR. That was Mike Sims Walker's position. Mike Thomas will be fine as a slot receiver, but to that note, we don't have anyone close to being a number 1 or 2 WR on the team. I wouldn't be mad to see all of those guys gone next season. Spend some money upgrading the offense like we upgraded the defense if there's talent out there. The Jags really should have gone after Brandon Lloyd when the Broncos gave him up for a 6th rounder. He's playing better than all of our WR's even though he's playing with a backup QB in St. Louis right now.

IMO Jack, Dirk and Gene need to go. The only person that has performed well on the coaching staff has been Mel Tucker. This is the first season since he's been here that he's had full control of the defense and look how well they've played.

*I'm a season ticket holder btw. Section 147*

Brandon Llyod only had one break out season, which was last year. He has been in the leauge for a very long time. I think that would have been another gamble. He could have came and had another break out season, or just tanked as he did prior to last year

On a side note, sunshine threw for over 200 yards on sunday. When the receiver cacth the ball great things can happen. As a mention before Chastin West needs to replace hill. Chastin is always open and never drops the ball.  Dillard has shown up and shown out also. If our WR would have done a better job of getting open yesterday, we could have really scored some point. But there were several downs wasted because Gabbert had no one to throw too. Once we fix the WR position we will be fine. Thats truely our only issue at this point.

[comncense]

duvaldude, for a 6th round pick, I'm willing to take that risk. You think we are going to find a 6th rounder that can contribute? We have a ton of 4th - etc. rounders that haven't done anything since being on the team.

[I-10east]

The other play that's killing me today is the one on the series that ended with a FG - we had 1st and goal at the 8, the CB covering Hill fell down and left him wide open, and Gabbert rocketed it out of the end zone.

Remember though, Gabbert was feeling the heat, and he had already thrown the ball prematurely with a heavy blitz in his face.

[duvaldude08]

duvaldude, for a 6th round pick, I'm willing to take that risk. You think we are going to find a 6th rounder that can contribute? We have a ton of 4th - etc. rounders that haven't done anything since being on the team.

I dunno. Im just tired of taking gambles I guess. It has not worked out to well for us so far.

[Dapperdan]

I would expect our first pick to be a wide receiver next year. I still think next year may be a bad year since we will most likely have a new offensive scheme installed, but if we get some offensive weapons, it has to be better than this year.

[fieldafm]

BTW Oh yeah, I guess that JDR isn't responsible for that bad clock management, and Koetter's awful play calling.

We're clearly watching different NFL games.

They had two plays to win on the two yard line at the end of the game.  They didn't.  How does that have anything to do with clock mgmt and play calling?  Was Koetter somehow telling Jason Hill to drop a touchdown pass, for Gabbert to throw to Thomas' inside shoulder or not even look at Jones Drew?  Did they not have enough time for, not one, but TWO game winning plays at the end of the game?

[comncense]

I think everyone has agreed that their was poor clock management before the Jags called the 3rd and final timeout. There was a bunch of wasted time before they decided to eventually call the time out. That falls squarely on JDR.

"The Jaguars let 28 seconds elapse between Jones-Drew’s first down and the next play, opting not to use a timeout." - FTU

28 seconds is a TON of time wasted.

[Wacca Pilatka]

The other play that's killing me today is the one on the series that ended with a FG - we had 1st and goal at the 8, the CB covering Hill fell down and left him wide open, and Gabbert rocketed it out of the end zone.

Remember though, Gabbert was feeling the heat, and he had already thrown the ball prematurely with a heavy blitz in his face.

Very true.  Heartbreaking as it was to see an all-alone Hill, I shouldn't have ignored the legitimate reason it was overthrown.

[I-10east]

I think everyone has agreed that their was poor clock management before the Jags called the 3rd and final timeout. There was a bunch of wasted time before they decided to eventually call the time out. That falls squarely on JDR.

"The Jaguars let 28 seconds elapse between Jones-Drew’s first down and the next play, opting not to use a timeout." - FTU

28 seconds is a TON of time wasted.

+1

[Wacca Pilatka]

I am so glad you are going over all my stats. I honestly had know idea I was spelling Blayn Gibbert or Derk Cutters name wrong. I will try to correct that. Tell ya what. I will post about their next win if that makes you feel better.

Seriously, is no one allowed to bash on a crappy team? Are we supposed to just say, "Oh Well, there is always next year," and just ignore the fact that this entire season has been a complete waste? A bad team brings this all on themselves. Did you see all the empty seats at the Browns game? No one carres about them either. Would you rather no one cares? At least we are talking about how terrible they are.

Oh, and by the way. I was at the inaugural game against the Oilers. I was also there when we beat Miami in the playoffs 62-7, I believe the score was. Have I ever been a season ticket holder? No, but I have supported this team throughout the years.

Well, first off, I have to apologize for the fact that I was confusing you with a different poster with respect to some highly negative posts about the Jaguars from earlier this season. 

My engine also tends to run a little hot after losses because I'm not only frustrated and annoyed over the loss, but anticipating the inevitable parade of online comments to the effect of "I'd never spend money on this team!", "I don't care if they move to Los Angeles!" et al.  The Pro Football Talks and ESPNs of the world then use this sort of dialogue as justification for their inevitable, tiresome speculation that the city will turn/has turned on the team and that a move is just a matter of time. 

I don't live in or particularly near Jacksonville, but I am a season ticket holder because I have a firm belief in the city's ability to support a team and I do not want to see it lose a team and be tainted long-term with that national embarrassment.  It's exhausting, as all Jaguar fans know, to forever have to correct those who think the Jaguars have the lowest attendance in the league, are going to be sold any minute now, have apathetic fans, etc.

When I then see people in Jacksonville who have overt contempt for the Jaguars fanning the flames after losses, or people who are Gator/non-Jaguar fans second pushing the Tebow angle or overtly rooting for the Jaguars to leave town so the Gators can own the city again, I have a tendency to fly off the handle.

But I can also read too much into more benign comments that way.

I don't share in your view of Tim Tebow's capabilities as an NFL quarterback or your persistent negativity over the Jaguars' prospects - I think that a team with a young, quality defense, Jones-Drew at its disposal, and a promising quarterback in his second season has a bright 2012 ahead of it, pending reasonable avoidance of bad luck with injuries and a decent draft.  But my tone toward you earlier was over the top.  And I apologize for incorrectly attributing posts and thoughts to you.

[Dapperdan]

Apology accepted. I am just of the belief that we can't keep making excuses for this team. I really do hope that Gabbart shows us who he really is. I have my doubts that it will be next year. He is still trying to grasp our current offense and will have all new offense to master next year. Having an off season will definitely help.  I just strongly feel we have one more year of not qualifying for the playoffs ahead of us.

An yes, I am a Tebow fan. He has overachieved at every level of football. I am unsure why he is either so greatly liked or greatly hated. He has a tough ending for the season. Lets see how he does.

[copperfiend]

Apology accepted. I am just of the belief that we can't keep making excuses for this team. I really do hope that Gabbart shows us who he really is. I have my doubts that it will be next year. He is still trying to grasp our current offense and will have all new offense to master next year. Having an off season will definitely help.  I just strongly feel we have one more year of not qualifying for the playoffs ahead of us.

An yes, I am a Tebow fan. He has overachieved at every level of football. I am unsure why he is either so greatly liked or greatly hated. He has a tough ending for the season. Lets see how he does.

How did he overachieve at every level?

In high school, he was physically superior to almost every player on each team they played.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

How did he overachieve at every level?

In high school, he was physically superior to almost every player on each team they played.

Sounds like overachievment in the gene pool.....

"Tebow is six feet three and 245 pounds, all thick polygons and smooth flat planes and inescapable corn-fed handsomeness. "

[duvaldude08]

Apology accepted. I am just of the belief that we can't keep making excuses for this team. I really do hope that Gabbart shows us who he really is. I have my doubts that it will be next year. He is still trying to grasp our current offense and will have all new offense to master next year. Having an off season will definitely help.  I just strongly feel we have one more year of not qualifying for the playoffs ahead of us.

An yes, I am a Tebow fan. He has overachieved at every level of football. I am unsure why he is either so greatly liked or greatly hated. He has a tough ending for the season. Lets see how he does.

Hey DD. I know personally I dont make excuses for the team. Most of us actually point out where the weaknesses and strengths are. It would be unfair for us to say the entire team is horriable because that would be inaccuarate.

[Wacca Pilatka]

An yes, I am a Tebow fan. He has overachieved at every level of football. I am unsure why he is either so greatly liked or greatly hated. He has a tough ending for the season. Lets see how he does.

For whatever it's worth, here's my perspective on Tebow.  I have no doubt that he's a nice fellow or sincere in his faith or an overachiever or a hard worker.  But I think he got so much glowing coverage for all of those attributes that it got nauseating - the media's fault, not his, but the backlash turns on him. 

I think the coverage also created a certain perception that Tebow was unique in being a hard worker or a Christian, and given that there are a lot of hardworking and/or Christian athletes in sports, I tended to think that their own accomplishments or sincerity were being degraded by comparison.  This is, again, a media issue that has caused a backlash against Tebow through no fault of his own, but I suspect he hurt his cause in this regard with the "no one will ever work harder than me" speech after the loss to Mississippi.  To some fans it came off as grandstanding.

Nonetheless, I rather liked Tebow prior to 2009 because he was from Jacksonville and I admired his faith and charitable work. 

For me as a Jaguar fan, Tebow became a hot-button issue because there were so many people in Jacksonville who desperately campaigned for us to draft him, most of whom seemed to be rather casual at best Jaguar fans, and I really did not appreciate their threats to boycott the Jaguars, encourage people not to buy tickets, et al. when I am deeply concerned and financially committed to doing what I can to make sure the Jaguars stay in Jacksonville.  I wouldn't have minded quite as much if I thought Tebow's skill set translated better to the NFL, but I didn't think he would be a long-term NFL success as a QB (and still don't).  To me, the situation struck me as a bunch of people who weren't really supporting the Jaguars, threatening to damage the Jaguars' future in the city if the Jaguars didn't draft a guy who they (and I) didn't see as a long-term benefit to the franchise. 

I've posted somewhere on here at great length that I feared the situation would become like Rick Mount's when the Indiana Pacers drafted him.  Mount was a high school and college basketball hero in Indiana and the Pacers took him primarily to appeal to Indiana sports fans even though he didn't really fit their system and (beyond his shooting prowess) didn't have a great all-around NBA skill set.  When Mount struggled mightily, the Indiana fans first turned on the Pacers, then turned on him in an extremely dark way.  I didn't think Jacksonville could afford to experience a debacle like that. 

The whole air of the draft-Tebow campaign was embarrassing to Jacksonville in the national press - it fueled all kinds of talk about how Jacksonville was really a college sports town, not a pro sports town, and that these casual fans would control the Jaguars' decisions.  It all made Jacksonville look amateurish and silly.  Then when he wasn't drafted they all started firing off columns about how now the Jaguars would surely leave town, or how the stands would be full of orange for our opener against Denver last year. 

And some of the Tebow acolytes did start informal Jaguar boycotts of sorts, obviously furthering resentment among Jaguar fans.  Some local sporting goods stores didn't help matters by stocking Tebow merchandise more prominently than Jaguar merchandise for a time, including ones in the airport and malls - I thought that gave a terrible impression of the Jaguar fan base and of the city's pro sports bona fides to outsiders.

And now that Tebow has had some degree of success, at least in the win column if not statistically, we see things like the letter to the T-U that kicked off the Tebow thread.

All of which turned me from being a Tebow fan into rooting for him not to succeed in the NFL.  I hope he has a happy, full life and fulfills all the charitable purposes he wishes to achieve, but I can't root for him to do well in football.  It feels like rooting against my city.  (Even though it's really not my city, but that's a whole other barrel of psychoanalysis for another day.)

Really, the only things I have against him are the "I'm the hardest worker ever" speeches, to which I may be overreacting; and the incident where he charged $40 or whatever it was for his autograph at the Avenues - which, if it wasn't for charitable purposes (and I don't know whether or not it was), I found rather unsettling and at cross purposes with his public image.  I also didn't like some comments from Bob Tebow around 2010 draft time that sounded vaguely threatening, along the lines of "Jacksonville will draft him if they know what's good for them."

So really, at least for me, the disdain for Tebow is driven by his fans and the media and not by anything he has done.  And I don't condone some of the attempts to smear him, and I do need to be careful to not jump on his fans who are also Jaguar fans, because I can too easily fall into that.  But I can't root for him in football, in any way, shape, or form.  I think that this probably summarizes why a lot of Jaguar fans "hate" him.  It's not really about him.