Mothballing Legislation under Attack!!!

[Dashing Dan]

The focus is on Springfield right now, but the mothballing ordinance will help everyone who has an interest in sustainable development.

Kudos to CM Lumb and CM Boyer!

[Debbie Thompson]

And thank you for coming down to oppose the sunset clause, Dashing Dan.  It was nice to meet you.

[iloveionia]

I am waiting patiently for Schellenberg to back out of his Sunset Clause.   I have yet to see a meeting as it was encouraged he hold.

[Debbie Thompson]

Here's hoping, but if it comes before City Council, we'll be able to speak there. 

[iloveionia]

It has to go back before LUZ before it can go to council, as the item was deferred.
The message was clear to him: pull it.

Several council members have already told me via email responses they will NOT support the Sunset Clause. 

[Dashing Dan]

And thank you for coming down to oppose the sunset clause, Dashing Dan.  It was nice to meet you.

I enjoyed seeing you and the rest of the group from Springfield. 

Thanks to the MJ posters, I have come to believe that mothballing is more important than anything else that's on the table right now.

In our urban core, most of the harm that's been done is due to indiscriminate demolition.

[sheclown]

TONIGHT.  Maybe they'll vote and get it over with.  There's no room for public comment, so I don't think we need butts in seats for this one.  I'll let you know what happens.

4.  2011-577
   

ORD-MC Amend Chapt 307 (Historic Preservation & Protection), Ord Code, Secs 307.102 (Definitions) & 307.106 (Apv of Changes to Landmarks, Landmark Sites & Propty in Historic Dists), to allow a Sunset Provision for "Mothballing"; Create New Sec 307.308 (Sunset) to allow a Sunset Provision for "Mothballing"; Amend Chapt 518 (Jax Propty Safety & Maint Code), Sec 518.103 (Applicability) to Reflect Chapt 307 Sunsetting Secs. (Sidman) (Introduced by CM Schellenberg) (CPAC Dist 1 Letter of Opposition on file)

Public Hearing Pursuant to Chapt 166, F.S. & CR 3.601 - 9/27/11

1. 9/13/2011 CO  Introduced: LUZ

    9/20/2011 LUZ Read 2nd & Rerefer

2. 9/27/2011 CO PH Read 2nd & Rereferred; LUZ

Bill Summary

[sheclown]

Deferred again.  Councilman Shellingburg wants to hold yet another public meeting to discuss this in spite of the fact that there has NEVER been a citizen show up in support of his ordinance at any meeting. Dude represents only himself 

[Timkin]

Deferred again.  Councilman Shellingburg wants to hold yet another public meeting to discuss this in spite of the fact that there has NEVER been a citizen show up in support of his ordinance at any meeting. Dude represents only himself 

this is quite interesting....and did i mention, a waste?

[iloveionia]

What a way to spend his time as a new councilmember.
Wasteful.

[sheclown]

LUZ needs to grow a pair and take a stand on this.  They told him to have a noticed meeting.  He's dragging his feet and wasting money.  No one  has shown up to support him.  We have shown up in opposition.  HPC has taken a firm stand against this.

Personal vendetta and sour grapes.  For what purpose?

[sheclown]

November 2, 2011
9:15 p.m.


Meeting Notice



Notice is hereby given that Council Member Matt Schellenberg and Council Member Robin Lumb will meet on Monday, November 7, 2011, at 2:00 p.m. in Conference Room B located at 117 West Duval Street, Suite 425, City Hall, Jacksonville, FL 32202.  The meeting is to discuss the following bill:


2011-577:   ORD-MC Amend Chapt 307 (Historic Preservation & Protection), Ord Code, Secs 307.102 (Definitions) & 307.106 (Apv of Changes to Landmarks, Landmark Sites & Propty in Historic Dists), to allow a Sunset Provision for "Mothballing"; Create New Sec 307.308 (Sunset) to allow a Sunset Provision for "Mothballing"; Amend Chapt 518 (Jax Propty Safety & Maint Code), Sec 518.103 (Applicability) to Reflect Chapt 307 Sunsetting Secs. (Sidman) (Introduced by CM Schellenberg) (CPAC Dist 1 Letter of Opposition on file) Public Hearing Pursuant to Chapt 166, F.S. & CR 3.601 - 9/27/11

All interested parties are encouraged to attend.

Please contact Audrey Braman, ECA, District 6, for additional information at 630-1388.

MMS/alb


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[Springfield Chicken]

Councilman Schellenberg called me yesterday in response to my last email.  We talked for about 15 minutes and he genuinely wanted to know why I feel so strongly about mothballing/no sunset provision.  He asked questions and explained his side of it.  I told him, among other things, that I thought preserving the property was the primary goal, and that if some owner who didn't deserve a break benefited from mothballing I could live with that if the alternative was loss of another piece of our history.  I didn't win him over but I appreciate the fact that he asked good questions and pressed for details and examples, etc.

[CS Foltz]

I am  of a mind this is going in the in the wrong direction! Mothballing, at a minimum,is cheaper than razing! Anyone has a chance to bring a house to life with something to work with. Should Councilman Shellenberg be reminded that Springfield is one heck of a chunk of HISTORICAL HOMES?

[Timkin]

I am  of a mind this is going in the in the wrong direction! Mothballing, at a minimum,is cheaper than razing! Anyone has a chance to bring a house to life with something to work with. Should Councilman Shellenberg be reminded that Springfield is one heck of a chunk of HISTORICAL HOMES?

Completely agree CS....  You make a very valid point.. doing a decent securing of a building so as to Mothball it for a future prospect, especially in these economic times far outweighs the cost of demolition.

Sadly , the mindset of the opposition.. We that value history are deemed a building-hugger . we must be crazy to want to save everything that is old..    Some people like the idea of cookie-cutter subdivisions and high rise glass buildings .  I guess it is a matter of point of view.

History matters to me, and I know it is not my call but if it was, this is really easy.. It is SO  much cheaper to mothball than to demolish. 

I am hopeful  Mothballing and Historic Preservation will remain in Jacksonville.   Too much has fallen already.  Much of it is replaced by blighted overgrown empty spaces or ugly surface parking lots that reveal a slab of what was once a landmark.   Enough!