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Started by jax-native68, September 03, 2011, 09:16:42 AM

jax-native68

Quote from: JeffreyS on September 03, 2011, 10:59:50 AM
Western Liberal Democracy has had episodes of turbulence and the conservatives of western aristocracy had just as many.

Examples?  Documentation?

jax-native68

Quote from: JeffreyS on September 03, 2011, 11:01:17 AM
Individualism seems to be the thing that Conservatives long for but refuse to embrace.  I admit that is more true of Republicans than other conservatives.

Conservatives see society and individuals as mutually dependent on each other.  Liberals and libertarians are the ones that emphasize individualism at the expense of societal cohesion.

jax-native68

Quote from: avonjax on September 03, 2011, 11:11:04 AM
WOW jaxnative, just WOW! To actually proclaim that all liberals want chaos is jaw dropping. That is the biggest BS statement of all.
I realize now that you just wanted to pull a prank on the people who come here...
It's funny and it worked.
Congrats!!!!
It's kinda like a solo Flash Mob....
Love it.....

You know absolutely nothing of history.  Name one single liberal practice or policy or goal that does not lead to chaos that threatens society's survival.

jax-native68

Quote from: avonjax on September 03, 2011, 11:12:33 AM
by the way jax native...Did you grow up in the 60's. Were you born in 1968? Just curious

I was born in 1968.  However, my generation is still suffering from the damage done by our baby boomer parents' 1960s liberalism.  My generation is the first to grow up raised by babysitters and daycare because our mothers believed it was more important for them to have careers than it was for us to have mothers.  My generation is the first to grow up in an environment where drug abuse is both rampant and socially acceptable.  My generation is the first to grow up with a failed school system.  My generation is the first to endure divorce and promiscuity as the rule rather than the exception.

DeadGirlsDontDance

Quote from: jax-native68 on September 03, 2011, 12:09:45 PM
Quote from: avonjax on September 03, 2011, 11:12:33 AM
by the way jax native...Did you grow up in the 60's. Were you born in 1968? Just curious

I was born in 1968.  However, my generation is still suffering from the damage done by our baby boomer parents' 1960s liberalism.  My generation is the first to grow up raised by babysitters and daycare because our mothers believed it was more important for them to have careers than it was for us to have mothers. 

Um, so, conservatives are angry about being weaned early?
"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." ~Edith Sitwell

jax-native68

Quote from: DeadGirlsDontDance on September 03, 2011, 12:38:19 PM
Um, so, conservatives are angry about being weaned early?

My mother was physically incapable of carrying a baby to term and never should have gotten pregnant. But she was pregnant anyway before she was 17 years old.  I was born 10 weeks premature.  I spent the first 2 months of my life in an incubator.  The next workday I was handed over to a babysitter.

My parents were divorced before I was 6 years old.  My mother didn't think I was worth demanding child support for, and my father never paid the child support the judge ordered him to pay anyway.   I haven’t seen my father more a few dozen times in the past 30 years and there’s been absolutely no contact with him since 1983, and my mother has never cared that my father has abandoned me.

My mother usually worked 50-60 hours a week under the guise of making ends meet, but for all practical purpose I've never had anything to show for it.  My current crippling and potentially life-ending medical problems are a direct result of the physical neglect I endured while growing up because my mother simply didn’t give a damn.

So I have every right to resent women who abandon their children for a career.  If you have an issue with my attitude then you can go to Hell.

Dog Walker

Jax,

1.  "first with a failed school system"  Not.  Duval County schools were actually dis-accredited for years in the late '50's and early 6o's.  They were double sessions too as the first of the boomers came along.

2. "Drug abuse rampant and socially acceptable now"  And then.  Four martini lunches and mother's little pink pills.  Everybody was taking tranquilizers which were new.  Everybody smoked like chimneys.

3.  "First to endure divorce and promiscuity".  Absolutely laughable.  Not as much divorce, maybe, but just as many with separate bedrooms or living apart.  There were brothels on Bay Street and whole swarms of professional ladies who came to Jacksonville during the summer when families were in the mountains of North Carolina and Dads moved into the air-conditioned hotels downtown.  Even my grandparents didn't live together after their first few years of marriage.

You've watched too much Ozzie and Harriet.
When all else fails hug the dog.

ChriswUfGator

Quote from: Dog Walker on September 03, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
You've watched too much Ozzie and Harriet.

+1

Seems like he's longing for something that never really existed in the first place.


buckethead

Quote from: jax-native68 on September 03, 2011, 01:51:28 PM
Quote from: DeadGirlsDontDance on September 03, 2011, 12:38:19 PM
Um, so, conservatives are angry about being weaned early?

My mother was physically incapable of carrying a baby to term and never should have gotten pregnant. But she was pregnant anyway before she was 17 years old.  I was born 10 weeks premature.  I spent the first 2 months of my life in an incubator.  The next workday I was handed over to a babysitter.

My parents were divorced before I was 6 years old.  My mother didn't think I was worth demanding child support for, and my father never paid the child support the judge ordered him to pay anyway.   I haven’t seen my father more a few dozen times in the past 30 years and there’s been absolutely no contact with him since 1983, and my mother has never cared that my father has abandoned me.

My mother usually worked 50-60 hours a week under the guise of making ends meet, but for all practical purpose I've never had anything to show for it.  My current crippling and potentially life-ending medical problems are a direct result of the physical neglect I endured while growing up because my mother simply didn’t give a damn.

So I have every right to resent women who abandon their children for a career.  If you have an issue with my attitude then you can go to Hell.
Oh dear!

You are to be a potential spiritual mentor to my children?

We all have issues. That's why God invented clothing and therapy.

jax-native68

Quote from: Dog Walker on September 03, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
Jax,

1.  "first with a failed school system"  Not.  Duval County schools were actually dis-accredited for years in the late '50's and early 6o's.  They were double sessions too as the first of the boomers came along.

Tell me something I don't already know.  Now tell me how failing schools didn't become a national problem in the 1970s and 1980s when my generation was in school.

Quote2. "Drug abuse rampant and socially acceptable now"  And then.  Four martini lunches and mother's little pink pills.  Everybody was taking tranquilizers which were new.  Everybody smoked like chimneys.

That is my whole point.  The baby boomers created the drug culture that my generation has had to deal with.

Quote3.  "First to endure divorce and promiscuity".  Absolutely laughable.  Not as much divorce, maybe, but just as many with separate bedrooms or living apart.  There were brothels on Bay Street and whole swarms of professional ladies who came to Jacksonville during the summer when families were in the mountains of North Carolina and Dads moved into the air-conditioned hotels downtown.  Even my grandparents didn't live together after their first few years of marriage.

What was the illegitimacy rate before the Boomers’ sexual revolution compared to what it is now?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/dec/01/20061201-084845-1917r/

In 1960 only 5.3% of total births in the U.S. were to women who were not married.

In 2005 36.8% of total births were to women who were not married.

Illegitimacy aggravates (if it doesn’t in fact cause) an assortment of social pathologies.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/365483/poverty_and_the_single_parent.html

In 2003 27.5% of the children who were living in poverty were also living in a non-married parent household. And 42.3% of the children who were being raised by an unmarried mother were living in poverty. 

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2002/04/The-Effect-of-Marriage-on-Child-Poverty

In the mid-1990s only 8.2% of the children who were living in two-parent households were living in poverty.  35.2% of the children who were living in single parent households were living in poverty.

http://patriot.net/~crouch/adc/jds.html

“Children reared in fatherless homes are more than twice as likely to
become male adolescent delinquents or teen mothers, according to a
significant new study by two economists at the University of
California, Santa Barbara.”

http://patriot.net/~crouch/adr/kids.html

70% of the people who are serving long-term prison sentences grew up without a father.

60% of adolescents who are in prison for rape grew up without a father as did 75% of adolescents who are in prison for murder.

Children without fathers are 3 times more like to fail in school, require psychiatric care or commit suicide as adolescents.

Children without fathers are 40 times more likely than children with both parents to experience child abuse.

jax-native68

Quote from: buckethead on September 03, 2011, 03:03:44 PM
You are to be a potential spiritual mentor to my children?

What makes you think I would want to be the spiritual mentor of your children?  If you are any indication, they probably wouldn’t be worth the effort.

Tacachale

^Uh, you are the guy who wants to start a Christian private school, correct?
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

jax-native68

Quote from: Tacachale on September 03, 2011, 03:58:11 PM
^Uh, you are the guy who wants to start a Christian private school, correct?

And that obligates me to enroll your children?  There will be selection criteria that children whose parents are liberals, libertarians or false Christians will not be able to meet.

ChriswUfGator

Quote from: jax-native68 on September 03, 2011, 05:51:32 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on September 03, 2011, 03:58:11 PM
^Uh, you are the guy who wants to start a Christian private school, correct?

And that obligates me to enroll your children?  There will be selection criteria that children whose parents are liberals, libertarians or false Christians will not be able to meet.

Oh this oughtta be good...for business!


jax-native68

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on September 03, 2011, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: jax-native68 on September 03, 2011, 05:51:32 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on September 03, 2011, 03:58:11 PM
^Uh, you are the guy who wants to start a Christian private school, correct?

And that obligates me to enroll your children?  There will be selection criteria that children whose parents are liberals, libertarians or false Christians will not be able to meet.

Oh this oughtta be good...for business!

I don't recall saying anything about running a business- because the school will not be a business.  The school I want to open will be a non-profit operation.  Any money that comes in over and above the school's operating costs will be used for expansion and then to set up a scholarship fund.