State to make Wednesday announcement on Outer Beltway

[Dashing Dan]

yeah short term/ always short term.  We need to infest in the future.

I'm assuming that "infest" was a typo, but in this instance it somehow seems appropriate.

[jcjohnpaint]

Another thing that might happen is the bottom half connecting to Blanding will just spur more development around Blanding and instead of ever relieving Blanding congestion, will just add to the congestion/  not only not fixing the problem, but adding to it. 

[jcjohnpaint]

..and of course spur more development in Clan instead of Duval

[fsujax]

This project isn't going to go away until it is built. Too bad. It ashamed people gripe and whine when an alternative mode of transportation is discussed for an area of town that is congested and constrained (no room to build new roads or add capacity), but it is perfectly OK to build this monstrosity through wide open green land.

[tufsu1]

I still don't see how this is going to relieve traffic on Blanding.  Isn't the proposed stretch too far up and to the west to help Blanding? 

the regional travel demand model (which is what planners use to test out projects like these) shows that 2035 traffic on Blanding between Branan Field Rd and SR 224 (Kingsley) would be about 15% less if the expressway is built vs. the no-build option....and 10% less from Kingsley to Wells.

and yes, jc....building the expressway would yield a 5% increase in 2035 traffic on Blanding south of Branan Field Road

Two caveats
1. all land use data and other factors (auto occupancy, trip characteristics, etc.) are held constant between alternatives
2. the test assumed the expressway was not tolled....clearly the effect on Blanding will be less if it is tolled.

Also note that the analysis tested what would happen in the College Drive extension were also built...that potential road would connect Blanding with the expressway and would reduce traffic on Blanding (between Brana Field and College) by another 15% (vs. without the extension)

[thelakelander]

It seems that a significant amount of single family residential, along with a shopping center would have to be purchased and possibly demolished for a College Drive extension.  In addition, the road would have to be constructed through a decent sized wetland and should include extensions of Oakleaf Village Parkway and Cheswick Oak Avenue to make it worthwhile.  All of that would be needed pull more vehicles to Branan Field and off other adjacent arterials such as Argyle Forest and Blanding.  Who would pay for these extension projects?  Btw, if these projects were constructed, they'd probably negatively impact the fake need for an expressway upgrade of Branan Field, since Old Middleburg and Shindler would begin to make sense as alternative north/south corridors closer to Blanding.

[cline]

It seems that a significant amount of single family residential, along with a shopping center would have to be purchased and possibly demolished for a College Drive extension.  In addition, the road would have to be constructed through a decent sized wetland and should include extensions of Oakleaf Village Parkway and Cheswick Oak Avenue to make it worthwhile.  All of that would be needed pull more vehicles to Branan Field and off other adjacent arterials such as Argyle Forest and Blanding.  Who would pay for these extension projects?  Btw, if these projects were constructed, they'd probably negatively impact the fake need for an expressway upgrade of Branan Field, since Old Middleburg and Shindler would begin to make sense as alternative north/south corridors closer to Blanding.

Agreed.  The College Drive extension alone was estimated to cost $35MM (it is in the NFTPO LRTP Cost Feasible Plan and is a priority project).  Although I think the PD&E actually calls for using Parkridge Ave rather than tearing down the newly built Publix shopping center.  Still have to deal with a massive wetland though.

[tufsu1]

and the reality is folks realize now the road can't be built for $35 million....probably closer to $100 million given the wetland mitigation taht would be required.

and the LRTP does include an extension of Cheswick Oak to connect in with it

[tufsu1]

The T-U wants to hear from you

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400669/larry-hannan/2011-08-16/would-you-pay-toll-northeast-florida?cid=hp-lede

[CS Foltz]

Plain and simple............save the money and do not build it! Not cost effective and I do not think it could be built with the amount discussed ($35 Million?)

[north miami]

The T-U wants to hear from you

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400669/larry-hannan/2011-08-16/would-you-pay-toll-northeast-florida?cid=hp-lede

Yea!!

During Clay County Brannon Chaffee Sector Plan and pivotal Beltway/Lake Asbury Sector Plan (round #1) FTU news coveRage,including two private marathon meetings with FTU Bauerlein and myself,at the FTU request,I found FTU reporting efforts lacking.This was not a matter of weak news source,but rather an institutionalized response from the FTU,which could not fathom reporting in a manner that could possibly affect predetermined outcome.

By the time Lake Asbury 1 Sector Plan had commenced I had already experienced receiving a phone call from US Army Corps of Engineers Joe Miller,placed while attending Brannon Chaffee ground breaking ceremony.A lot had transpired "quickly" at that point (including Mayor Delaney involvement)......the COE Colonel called me to apologize.....!
Colonel Joe Miller would soon emerge-for a short period- as Mayor Delaney Public Works Director.

It wasn't a situation where the FTU was dealing with a weak news source......I in fact was firmly established within a mainstream Conservation organization,strong Clay County roots (Middle Civic Association room named in my father's honor) and would go on to orchestrate negotiations modifying beltway corridor route.

In the scheme of things, the "reporting" aspect will prove a great study.The test tube is boiling over.

[north miami]

and the reality is folks realize now the road can't be built for $35 million....probably closer to $100 million given the wetland mitigation taht would be required

Well then,let's haul Rick Scott in and get rid of the pesky "Regulatory Hurdles".
the corridor is easily linked to Clay County Conservative Politics,a local with ties to corridor speculation who became DOT head,State Legislators past and present complicit.

Rick can denounce the Crist support based on DCA precedent....throw it all out,yank that corridor back through the Ravines and on down in to Reinhold country just as the 1973 County map dreamed of.Heck,name the Beltway in honor Of Reinhold Corp!!

Scott,please put us on the map!!

the test tube is boiling over