Tax Cuts and Job Creation

[Dog Walker]

No, I NEVER believed the bull stuff that the war would be paid for out of Iraqi oil revenues. (Thanks for finding those clips, Stephen)  Nor did I ever believe that there were "weapons of mass destruction" there either.  Both were blatant lies to get us to quietly go along with an unnecessary war that W wanted to prove that he was a warrior like his daddy and not a weiney, draft dodging, drunken frat boy, which he was.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

....   a weiney, draft dodging, drunken frat boy, which he was.

Ha!  So, DW, tell us how you really feel about Dubya.....

[Dog Walker]

The moderators wouldn't let me do that on a public forum.   

[BridgeTroll]

....   a weiney, draft dodging, drunken frat boy, which he was.

Ha!  So, DW, tell us how you really feel about Dubya.....

Guess that shows that you can turn your life around huh...  Pilot in the National guard, quit drinking, got married, and became president.

[Dog Walker]

He was a pilot in the National Guard and seldom showed up for duty to avoid being drafted and sent to Vietnam.  He was drinking heavily well after he got married.  The fine woman who is his wife was probably the main reason he quit drinking.

And, in my opinion, he was mostly a sock-puppet president.  Ironically, the Iraq war was probably one of the few times he was making independent policy.

[BridgeTroll]

LOL... sounds like someone else we all know and love...

avoid being drafted and sent to Vietnam

Not making excuses for him but... please ... lets be fair and real.  He joined the NG... trained as a fighter pilot, earned his wings.  He did not finish his obligation... and I do not excuse it.  But I can also think of a couple recent presidents with no military service with one of then actively avoiding the draft altogether.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp

[Dog Walker]

Agreed, he earned his wings.  I'll take back the draft-dodging, but not the war-avoiding.  Then again, a lot of us avoided that other unnecessary war, but a lot of us didn't have to political connections to get into the National Guard to do so.

When will we ever learn?

His daddy was a genuine warrior hero in WWII.  It must be tough to try to live up to that.

[BridgeTroll]

LOL... sounds like someone else we all know and love...

avoid being drafted and sent to Vietnam

Not making excuses for him but... please ... lets be fair and real.  He joined the NG... trained as a fighter pilot, earned his wings.  He did not finish his obligation... and I do not excuse it.  But I can also think of a couple recent presidents with no military service with one of then actively avoiding the draft altogether.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp

So even the personal failings of a single man are covered by the blood of jesus similar failings as long as there is a democrat involved?

Dont you ever get tired of trying to defer blame onto the democrats, bridge troll?

To be honest, I think this is why your party and likeminded people are going to get another clock cleaning this election.

And looking back over the past 4 years, can you name a single instance where you chose the partisan approach and werent proven wrong by events themselves?

I'm not defering blame.  Simply pointing out the hypocrisy.  If you are gonna call W a draft dodger... then you better include Mr Clinton into the conversation.  After all... we all want to be fair right?

[Dog Walker]

Sorry, guys.  I didn't mean to pull the thread so far off topic.

[BridgeTroll]

So bridgetroll.  and notnow.

Any evidence that Tax Cuts lead to Job Creation?

Since that is the point of this thread?

I have no intention of rehashing the past thirty years.  Reagan first lowered taxes and brought us out of multiple cycles of recession and inflation... sparking an economic engine that now looks to be running out of steam.  Bush I and Clinton made minor modifications to tax rates.  At the end of the Clinton administration the country was headed for a recession and prompted W (and of course congress) to enact "the Bush tax cuts".  Of course 911 happened along with Saddams antics.

Few would disagree that the past thirty years were pretty prosperous.

One thing that has most definitely increased over that time frame is spending.  Spending keeps climbing regardless of administration or congress... rep or dem... we keep increasing our spending.  I am not in favor of raising taxes... just so we can increase spending some more.  You could get me to agree to a tax increase... possibly... IF it accompanied with a real halt or decrease in spending.

Or... you can do it with out me.  If congress and the president raise taxes... I will dutifully pay mine.

I answered long ago...

[BridgeTroll]

Closer to home... Mayor Brown (who you endorse and volunteered) wants to do exactly what I an others like me want.  He is decreasing the government budget while (i think his quote was) not raising fee's or taxes.  Does that make him a republican or Tea Partier?

[BridgeTroll]

but would you equate prosperity, or economic growth with debt based expenditure?

I could see where people would do that.  In the long run... it is an illusion.

I'm sure you remember a time when only rich people had Mastercards or American Express.  Most people simply could not qualify for them.  People used their checkbooks in public restaurants and most transactions were cash.

Yes I do.  The only reason people incurred debt was to buy a house (only after a substantial downpayment), a car (same DP requirements).  In both of these circumstances you needed a good credit rating.  If you wanted something at Sears you could not afford you saved your money... or... you put the item on layaway and when it was paid off you took it home.

Debt was NOT the norm.  Late payments and bankruptcy was taboo. 

My how times have changed.  Debt is now the norm.  The use of cash to pay for items is openly discouraged.  High risk borrowers are being lent money when it is a coin toss whether the money will actually get paid off.  Our non house/car indebtedness is through the roof and savings are low.

I personally disapprove of this type of finance... both in personal/private finance and in public/governmental arenas.  I am not judging others money matters... simply my own.  How others run their finances is none of my business.

I have my parents to blame/thank for this attitude about money.  It has served me well.

I apply my own old fashioned attitude towards the financing of the government.  We are ALOT in debt... and it keeps growing.  Every year.  Even in economic lexicon a "spending cut" is really just a cut to a proposed increase in spending.  There is no commitment to pay anything off... we only commit to keep making payments.

I believe Dems(not the candidates) want to talk about raising taxes... and berate reps who oppose raising taxes... but your candidates never seem to actually run for office on tax increases and spending increases.  I actually hope the dems up for election in this cycle actually propose tax increases and spending increases as a major part of their platform

I have said before... I could... possibly commit to increased taxes... provided spending was halted or cut back.  I realize this is a pipe dream... it will never happen.