Tea Party Republicans waged jihad on the American people

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I don't understand how any program that pays in at the minimum and pays out at the maximum and is guaranteed can be considered a sustainable program.  Yes, I'm talking about pensions, social security and the like.

I also don't understand how offering the top money makers more incentives to lessen their tax burdens is a self-sustaining program. 

So in theory, both the repubs and the dems are using the same non-sustainable trickle down theory, but they word it differently.   Neither is achievable in the long run.  They are both complete pyramid schemes and the ones that lose are the ones that are owed when it all blows up. 

The major problem that I see is that neither side is willing to acknowledge the faultiness of their own theory.  Especially after only 50 years, it's completely transparent that neither system will work for the long run.  Wealthy repubs will find a way to not trickle their benefits down to the ones who need it and under the dems theory, the government is getting way to bloated to serve itself and the people.  Someone's going to lose.  And it's not the ones that cast the votes in the senate or the house.  It's all of us that cast our votes in precincts across the nation.  We are in a lose-lose situation and the only way out, IMO, is to blow it completely up and start fresh.

Flat taxes on a sliding scale versus gross income, revamp the SS and medicare to pay for those who've already put in the money and find a better way for those who are still working on it, pension plans - let them fund with the market like every other 401k.  Eliminate the guaranteed pensions for government service - it used to be a position to serve your country, but know it's an avenue to get rich, and face it, by the time these guys hit the national level, they're already budding millionaires, why would any of them ever vote for a tax increase for the rich?

[BridgeTroll]

Hi Honey.  I know you didn't ask for it and I'm not sure that you even want it, but I just brought home this nice Iraq war for you.  I think that it's going to pay for itself so I didn't put anything aside for it in our family budget.  If it doesn't pay for itself, then I'll just put it on our credit card.  Then if the balance on the credit card goes up to more than we can ever pay back, I'll ask the bank to lower our credit limit down to some more reasonable amount, and I'll take some of the money that we already owe for hospital bills, and I'll use that money to pay our credit card down to just a little bit beneath that new limit.

I just hope that I don't get arrested for doing any of this.

The problem with your humorous scenario is that your wife actually agreed with it... in fact she continues to this day to authorize spending on it.  Better yet... she has decided to expand your spending while for the past two years has decided to NOT raise the rent on her highest income tenants. (She talks a good game about raising the rent).

So don't feel bad Dan... it certainly is not all your fault.

[Dashing Dan]

Hi Honey.  I know you didn't ask for it and I'm not sure that you even want it, but I just brought home this nice Iraq war for you.  I think that it's going to pay for itself so I didn't put anything aside for it in our family budget.  If it doesn't pay for itself, then I'll just put it on our credit card.  Then if the balance on the credit card goes up to more than we can ever pay back, I'll ask the bank to lower our credit limit down to some more reasonable amount, and I'll take some of the money that we already owe for hospital bills, and I'll use that money to pay our credit card down to just a little bit beneath that new limit.

I just hope that I don't get arrested for doing any of this.

The problem with your humorous scenario is that your wife actually agreed with it... in fact she continues to this day to authorize spending on it.  Better yet... she has decided to expand your spending while for the past two years has decided to NOT raise the rent on her highest income tenants. (She talks a good game about raising the rent).

So don't feel bad Dan... it certainly is not all your fault.

I tricked her into accepting a gift that she didn't want, need or even ask for, by persuading her that it wasn't really going to cost anything.

[ChriswUfGator]

Right, how dare they insist we stop spending money we dont have supporting liberal created, never ending, feel good, corrupt social welfare programs.  Certainly, they are terrorist. And im sure you love your country more than Republicans as long as its giving you what you want, when you want it .   

What part of Iraq, Afghanistan, and tax-cuts for the wealthy were "liberal" policies again?

Last I checked your boi George W. did all of that.

But don't let the facts get in the way of making up your mind or anything.

[Garden guy]

Right, how dare they insist we stop spending money we dont have supporting liberal created, never ending, feel good, corrupt social welfare programs.  Certainly, they are terrorist. And im sure you love your country more than Republicans as long as its giving you what you want, when you want it .   

What part of Iraq, Afghanistan, and tax-cuts for the wealthy were "liberal" policies again?

Last I checked your boi George W. did all of that.

But don't let the facts get in the way of making up your mind or anything.

Republicans could care less about facts...GW and his people did all this bs to the country and everyone thinks things are A OK....wtf....lost...just lost people are.

[RMHoward]

Right, how dare they insist we stop spending money we dont have supporting liberal created, never ending, feel good, corrupt social welfare programs.  Certainly, they are terrorist. And im sure you love your country more than Republicans as long as its giving you what you want, when you want it .   

What part of Iraq, Afghanistan, and tax-cuts for the wealthy were "liberal" policies again?

Last I checked your boi George W. did all of that.

Well, your boys held both houses of congress during "my boi" Bush's term as President.  They held the purse strings and allocated the funds.  Thats how it works here.   Yes, it was Bush's decision to go to war.  At that time, we were united in our cause, including your boys and girls Reid, Pelosi, other spineless ilk, etc.  Its only after the fact that your kind deny involvement, regardless of what the facts say.  So keep on blaming Bush for your party's stupidity.  Your boy, the "talking suit" will continue to be clueless and an embarrassment to our country.

But don't let the facts get in the way of making up your mind or anything.

[BridgeTroll]

Hi Honey.  I know you didn't ask for it and I'm not sure that you even want it, but I just brought home this nice Iraq war for you.  I think that it's going to pay for itself so I didn't put anything aside for it in our family budget.  If it doesn't pay for itself, then I'll just put it on our credit card.  Then if the balance on the credit card goes up to more than we can ever pay back, I'll ask the bank to lower our credit limit down to some more reasonable amount, and I'll take some of the money that we already owe for hospital bills, and I'll use that money to pay our credit card down to just a little bit beneath that new limit.

I just hope that I don't get arrested for doing any of this.

The problem with your humorous scenario is that your wife actually agreed with it... in fact she continues to this day to authorize spending on it.  Better yet... she has decided to expand your spending while for the past two years has decided to NOT raise the rent on her highest income tenants. (She talks a good game about raising the rent).

So don't feel bad Dan... it certainly is not all your fault.

I tricked her into accepting a gift that she didn't want, need or even ask for, by persuading her that it wasn't really going to cost anything.

You don't give your fictional wife enough credit.  She is a smart girl... she knew exactly what she was getting into... in fact... you and her had many discussions about it.  Better yet... many of your closest neighbors also thought it was the right thing to do.  You really should stop blaming yourself...

[Dashing Dan]

You don't give your fictional wife enough credit.  She is a smart girl... she knew exactly what she was getting into... in fact... you and her had many discussions about it.  Better yet... many of your closest neighbors also thought it was the right thing to do.  You really should stop blaming yourself...

I lied to her about why we needed it, what it would cost, and how I would pay for it.

[Dashing Dan]

You don't give your fictional wife enough credit.  She is a smart girl... she knew exactly what she was getting into... in fact... you and her had many discussions about it.  Better yet... many of your closest neighbors also thought it was the right thing to do.  You really should stop blaming yourself...

Many of my closest neighbors lost their jobs over this.

[BridgeTroll]

You don't give your fictional wife enough credit.  She is a smart girl... she knew exactly what she was getting into... in fact... you and her had many discussions about it.  Better yet... many of your closest neighbors also thought it was the right thing to do.  You really should stop blaming yourself...

I lied to her about why we needed it, what it would cost, and how I would pay for it.

If that is how you feel then nothing I can say will change your mind.  Meanwhile... your wife continues on a spending spree.  Despite your attempts to convince her to change her ways she cannot help herself.  Perhaps an intervention is in order...

[Dashing Dan]

I'm the one on the spending spree not my wife. 

Besides the war there are plenty of dumb things I've bought that my wife knows little or nothing about.

Even though I duped her, my wife is perfectly willing to increase the amount that we are paying each month on our credit card debt, but I refuse to allow that to happen.

[BridgeTroll]

I'm the one on the spending spree not my wife. 

Besides the war there are plenty of dumb things I've bought that my wife knows little or nothing about.

Even though I duped her, my wife is perfectly willing to increase the amount that we are paying each month on our credit card debt, but I refuse to allow that to happen.

If you think your wife does'nt know what you are up to... you are fooling yourself...  (in fact deep down... she agrees)

Regardless... it looks and sounds like a pretty dysfunctional family...

[NotNow]

Back to the thread, calling elected representatives names because their views do not reflect yours is a childish and  ignorant act.  Neither party seems to be willing or able to stop the Federal spending spree.  The "Tea Party", which is actually not one party but thousands of local and regional organizations, is the only entity that is acting in the interests of the country.  Radical?  Hardly, Constitutional government, spending within ones means and reasonable taxation are the most basic American values IMHO.  The radicals are those that believe that current Federal spending and debt (or even more) can result in anything but the failure of the Federal government itself.

[Dashing Dan]

Whether or not it's name calling, my view is that many or most of those in the Tea Party would fit this ~ 100-year-old definition of a fanatic.

"A fanatic is a man that does what he thinks the Lord would do if He knew the facts of the case."  â€"Finley Peter Dunne (1867 - 1936)

[JeffreyS]

Right, how dare they insist we stop spending money we dont have supporting liberal created, never ending, feel good, corrupt social welfare programs.  Certainly, they are terrorist. And im sure you love your country more than Republicans as long as its giving you what you want, when you want it .   

What part of Iraq, Afghanistan, and tax-cuts for the wealthy were "liberal" policies again?

Last I checked your boi George W. did all of that.

But don't let the facts get in the way of making up your mind or anything.

Obama has moved a lot on pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan but we should be gone already and he has to own that.  Obama extended the Bush tax cuts so I call them the Obama tax cut's now.

They were not his policies but he has not done enough to end them.  The tax cuts are our deficit problem and we have not gained any advance in our national security since Saddam was captured.  I don't think our killing Osama was a direct effect of prosecuting those wars.