Kickbacks planning an expansion

[JeffreyS]

Let's get some parking garages, express roads, parking meters and some big minimum setbacks for new businesses. Yes Riverside you can be Oakleaf or Flemming Island.

[north miami]

Such Narrative empowered Beltway Boosters........

Decisions for business interests,public facility do affect the tone,feel and function of Neighborhood.

Ultimately Riverside,Avondale neighborhoods exist for the residents.The area's desirable attributes exist in large part due to cautious,discerning,restrictive stance.

Consider the transformation of Ortega River Boatyard;Ortega Landing.
Residents loved and supported Ortega River Boat Yard.
A key local and regional economic driver,in fact historical significance,the need for ORBY upgrade was widely acknowledged.ORBY's transformation a train wreck conducted under the Planning umbrella.


With over 180 expanded docks and multiple condo units packed on to the parcel,peak parking pressure was assumed to simply spill over to the adjacent neighborhood.A Planning shrug of the shoulder,a collective middle finger.

During contentious rezone process many residents wished that their neighborhood was within RAP boundary,assumed stature,protective veil.

[JaxNative68]

Everyone wants growth in this city, unless it is in their backyard.  A mentality that will not get Jacksonville moving forward, and will continue to contribute to more sprawl.  We can't keep building additional nodes without connecting them.  Sorry folks but that means some new buildings and expansions within your neighborhood may need to take place.  The dichotomy it brings should be embraced, not bashed over the head.

[tufsu1]

Such Narrative empowered Beltway Boosters........

dude...this has NOTHING to do with the outer beltway!

[JeffreyS]

Such Narrative empowered Beltway Boosters........

dude...this has NOTHING to do with the outer beltway!

I don't know I see the new attitude being embraced by Oakleaf err I mean Fleming Island sorry  Julington Creek Oops Riverside.

[mtraininjax]

Everyone wants growth in this city, unless it is in their backyard.  A mentality that will not get Jacksonville moving forward, and will continue to contribute to more sprawl.  We can't keep building additional nodes without connecting them.  Sorry folks but that means some new buildings and expansions within your neighborhood may need to take place.  The dichotomy it brings should be embraced, not bashed over the head. 

Whoa, Mayor Brown, nice to hear from you!

[Jimmy]

Here we are, at Kickbacks's, enjoying our evening. We placed our order a while ago and are waiting for our dinner.  A nice young lady with a book comes to sit at our table.  She's collecting signatures in favor of the Kickback's expansion.  Now, my dinner companion and I have been talking about the issues surrounding the expansion proposal.  We already agreed earlier that we'd like to see the place expand.  But, we both live in Avondale and have concerns about the parking situation on King.

Anyway, she sits down and gives us the hard sell.  She tells us about the parking they'll put out front and the parking they'll put out back.  She said the parking out back would be "for us" and my companion thinks that means for customers.  I explain that it's actually for employees.  Anyway, she listed off a number of factually inaccurate statements about the expansion.  Or maybe I could be more fair and say there was a lot of "spin" being applied to the issue.  We declined to sign.  She said let her know if we changed our minds and didn't want RAP to tell them what they can and can't do, to find her to sign.

She's going from table to table. She has a book with her with lots of signatures.  But they are somewhat questionable in my mind.  It's a plain book with signatures.  No petition language.  It's their "petition," but once they talk about the numbers, I just wanted my experience with the petition to be documented. 

Competing petitions in the neighborhood is not how a useful compromise will develop, IMHO.

[thelakelander]

Unfortunately, it seems like the line in the sand has been drawn.  To be honest, each side may be doing some embellishing to get people to align with their position.  I'm actually fine with letting this play out by having both sides getting the opportunity to state their position and the zoning administrator or city council determining the final decision.

[Jimmy]

I think that's where it's heading.  I told the Kickback's worker, truthfully, that I had no intention of signing either petition.  When the time comes I might make some calls, but honestly, I want to see Kickback's expand.  This is wrapped up in the much larger issue of transit and growth management in the urban core and I'm a little worried over the outcome of unchecked commercial expansion in the historic district.  As conflicting as my statements may sound...

[Kickbackssteve]

Jimmy, I very much respect the fact that you weren't interested in signing our petition (or RAP's).  Our petition language was at the beginning of the petition.  I would love to spend time speaking with you the next time you come by to discuss the actual facts as they relate our project and to RAP's appeal if you are interested.  I certainly understand that anyone who has read or heard RAP's position about our project could misconstrue our dialogue as a "spin".  If you are interested, please ask for me the next time you are in or text or call and I will meet you.  904-759-1747.  Thank you.   

[thelakelander]

I think that's where it's heading.  I told the Kickback's worker, truthfully, that I had no intention of signing either petition.  When the time comes I might make some calls, but honestly, I want to see Kickback's expand.  This is wrapped up in the much larger issue of transit and growth management in the urban core and I'm a little worried over the outcome of unchecked commercial expansion in the historic district.  As conflicting as my statements may sound...

I see the more significant issue/solution being the development of an efficient transit system for that area of town and Riverside making sure their parking/transportation plan complements that system.  It would be horrible to get such as project in the North Florida TPO's LRTP, secure funding for it in the mobility plan, and make sure it fits within the overlay to have the neighborhood its supposed to help oppose the thing, when its time to finally move forward.  On the flip end, it would be great to see the community vocally back such a concept and utilize its pending presence as part of a solution to the parking challenges they believe they have.

[Tacachale]

I was there last night too, and enthusiastically signed the petition. And I am not usually someone who signs things like that.

[JeffreyS]

I will most likely sign it at lunch tomorrow.

[Jimmy]

Thanks, Steve, that's awfully decent of you.  I'll ask for you next time I'm in.  I have no intention of signing either petition because, as Ennis said, both sides seem to be embellishing their case with their respective signers.  I don't want any part of that.

[north miami]

Such Narrative empowered Beltway Boosters........

dude...this has NOTHING to do with the outer beltway!

Not directly,of course.
"Inevitable Growth" Narrative.
No doubt, over your head,as anticipated.
hmmmm....now I recall, RAP, Ortega references to value of beltway re network alleviation Duval county.
Tufsu Beltway (and vastly related......) Consultant Rate reduced many %.