JTA making progress on transportation center

[Doctor_K]

They sould include no parking for JTA employees at the new headquarters building they want.  Make them ride the skyway from the King's Ave garage  

+2!

Or from Rosa Parks if coming from the North, or from wherever.  Absolutely.

[ChriswUfGator]

They sould include no parking for JTA employees at the new headquarters building they want.  Make them ride the skyway from the King's Ave garage  

+2!

Or from Rosa Parks if coming from the North, or from wherever.  Absolutely.

Like the rest of us, I'm sure even JTA's own employees would rather ride a herpetic donkey to work than hours on JTA.

[copperfiend]

They sould include no parking for JTA employees at the new headquarters building they want.  Make them ride the skyway from the King's Ave garage  

Awesome idea!

[acme54321]

They sould include no parking for JTA employees at the new headquarters building they want.  Make them ride the skyway from the King's Ave garage  

+2!

Or from Rosa Parks if coming from the North, or from wherever.  Absolutely.

Like the rest of us, I'm sure even JTA's own employees would rather ride a herpetic donkey to work than hours on JTA.

Yep, give them a taste of their own medicine.

[JeffreyS]

The skyway is great that is not a punishment.

[Ocklawaha]

We can either spend our days packing cattle cars, or spend it building the ranch. Me thinks that the former is less productive then the latter. Right now we have much bigger worries then whether of not someone rides the bus to work at JTA. While I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment, it's not the guy behind the wheel, or the guy turning bolts, or the gal answering the phone that are to blame for what could at best be described as a mass-transit debacle at BOTH JTA and FDOT. Either agency's planning for the JRTC are stark reminders of what happens when the baby dies and the afterbirth lives.

We desperately need quality route planners, service directors, a charm school with incentives, a scout troop or two with similar community involvment, a world transit mindset, new equipment, commuter COACHES, streetcar and commuter rail. This all needs to happen yesterday. At the JACKSONVILLE TERMINAL (forget the politically correct gibberish of "JRTC.") itself we need a fast plan to pawn off the convention center to the Hyatt or another downtown hotel and start demolition of the exhibit "box" that was built for RV and Gun Shows.

We need to be pushing to maintain the current 1919 building without exterior additions, reopen the tunnel concourses, redesign the railroad yard, create a long-distance bus wash rack and lav servicing facility, install another fine restaurant, preserve both the current North-South Concourse area, as well as the newer East-West Concourse area, building an intercity bus terminal just feet from Amtrak can only spell much heavier use by both the traveling public as well as jobs with the carriers themselves.

Some of this stuff is pretty simple really. If you and I started a scheduled bus line tomorrow, with three routes, running from Ocala to Tampa, Ocala to Orlando and Ocala to Jacksonville, we could put our "stations" within another carriers facility (which is common). All things being equal, lets imagine in Tampa we connected with 2 Amtrak trains, and 8 daily intercity buses. In Orlando we connected with 4 Amtrak trains and 12 buses and in Jacksonville we connected with 12 Amtrak Trains and 42 buses... THINK... Which station is going to be our big dog? Where will our people be? Where will the money roll?

Now let's tweak the example and say in Orlando the buses and trains are about 25' feet apart (which is true), and in Tampa about 8 blocks apart, and Jacksonville 8 blocks apart before or after the "JRTC", can you visualize what that would do to our business? Can you see that now Orlando would be primary and the others secondary stations? WHY? Because in this example, even though their are far more buses and trains in Jacksonville they are too far apart to even effect each other. In this sample Tampa suffers both ways, lack of schedules and separate facilities. Scattered like chaff they have no opportunity to feed one another.


OCKLAWAHA

[Ocklawaha]

Uh? So where's the improvement?

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Oh now I get it, Social Engineering or Gentrification!

OCKLAWAHA

[Timkin]

Ock.. in reality what do you think the chances are of the tunnels being reopened? I mean there probably is little (if any) structural  deficiency, right?

Also...with regard to the Greyhound Station.. (just asking) is the most practical idea to leave it where it is , move it closer/in with the terminal OR could , perhaps , Annie Lytle be retrofitted in part to accommodate the facility ..or is it too far out of the way, and not cost-effective ,or both?

[tufsu1]

I thionk there is no way that Greyhopund will be located behind the Prime Osborn as shoqwn in the one MJ concept...since it has to be built in the next 3 years and we'll still be operating a convention center there, that idea won't work

But here are 2 ideas that would:

1. Put Greyhound behind the skyway station (since the office building isn't being built for a while, if ever)
2. Put Greyhound on the block between Forsyth and Houston...then the JTA bus terminal into the Skyway area

Either way, you free up the block north of Houston for TOD

[Ocklawaha]

I'd be all for leaving it where it's at if the only other choice is Adams Street. The Convention box needs to go and the city knows it, no reason Greyhound couldn't operate out of a temporary station like the other two bus companies do until we can get them into a better location. I like the Office Building spot as being very close but then when the box comes down... A weed garden?

OCKLAWAHA

[Ocklawaha]

I thionk there is no way that Greyhopund will be located behind the Prime Osborn as shoqwn in the one MJ concept...since it has to be built in the next 3 years and we'll still be operating a convention center there, that idea won't work

But here are 2 ideas that would:

1. Put Greyhound behind the skyway station (since the office building isn't being built for a while, if ever)
2. Put Greyhound on the block between Forsyth and Houston...then the JTA bus terminal into the Skyway area

Either way, you free up the block north of Houston for TOD

Something more or less like this?  I still like the compact design better what on earth would we use that huge empty space when the city wakes up and moves the Convention Center, worlds largest baggage room? Transportation Museum/streetcar barn?

Oh yeah, before some smart ass tells me my grass is greener then Thelakelander's your right, I use only Empire Zoyzia. LOL. 



OCKLAWAHA

[thelakelander]

Nice layout, Ock.

[tufsu1]

agreed

[Dog Walker]

The only problem with Ocks plan is that it doesn't cover property that someone wants to sell to the City at a nice, inflated price.  (Note to self:  look up ownership of parcels under JTA's TC plan.)

[acme54321]

The convention center needs to be moved, the old courthouse site makes sense.  Then the skyway needs to be extended to the stadium district like it was supposed to be with a station at the new convention center.   Doesn't seem that difficult.  There has to be someone with a few million lying around.