Just When You Thought Kimberly Daniels Couldn't Get Any Weirder...

[Diane Melendez]

Because I was quoted on two threads, I am listing my post in both threads to make sure the the complete conversation I had about Daniels is clarified.  My comments in the two quotes below were over 2 month's ago on March 11th and 13th.

The rest of my statements following those Joan posted above on this and one other thread are included below.  I shared the statements Joan quoted as they were given to me the way they were stated in discussions and interactions I had regarding this issue with Glorious up until the last post.  I washed my hands of the Daniels issue at that point.

Timkin, there are so many things going on in that video that complete analysis would invite a ton of debate which I don't have the energy for right now.  LOL  But let me say this much.  I have always viewed the Creator as a loving God.  I also believe to the core of my being that God loves all his children equally.  I don't think there is a single path to faith and know for a fact that the often quoted Bible of today is one that has been edited and interpreted by human beings for centuries.  Infact the Catholic church is currently in the process of changing some verbage to meet their own chosen interpretation of "the word". All the various interpretations are evident in the variety of churches and groups that consider themselves Christian but expouse very different views.  There are approximately 15 lines in the Bible that are directly attributed to Jesus.  None of those lines condemn homosexuals.  I have always understood that homosexuality is not a choice but is how some people are biologically programed to be.  Only recently has Science caught up with the biology of homosexuality and can now say that there are definite biological differences, inborn to humans that impact sexual preference.  

As much as it pains me to see the rhetoric in that video, the laws of our country allow all to voice their views.  I just don't happen to agree with them or the notion that God demands that gays get out of the church or off the pulpit.  Each of these people need to worry about their own eternal souls and how they are received by God.  Any declaration made by a person claiming to prophesy anything that embraces ugly views, anger or persecution is suspect in my mind.  I long ago learned that matters of religious belief and how those beliefs are expressed are as different as the changing sands. One thing I know for certain is that God doesn't choose

and finished with these words.

Other than touching base with regard to the video and other literature, I have not spoken with Glorious about this issue further and do not intend to. I know she has not been reading forums or TU feedback so my suggestion is that any further inquiries, comments or advice about Daniels be referred to her directly for response perhaps via a private message on her FB page. Campaign issues cannot be dealt with through her city office.  I have made my own views clear enough above I do believe. Her personal course of political action is completely in her hands at this point.

My advice to Glorious prior to this last post was to distance herself from Daniels and withdraw any support. She chose to do otherwise, which she has every right as an individual to do, even if I don't agree with it. I do not support Daniels or her viewpoints.  This issue was and remains one of the few points of disagreement between myself and Glorious over the years.  I find Daniels views extreme in many ways and do not support her agenda.  I do know that Peter Rummels wife had a good bit of influence with this endorsement as she attends Daniels church on occasion and supports Kimberly's run for office.  Both she and Mr. Rummel who is also supporting Alvin Brown, have given money and support to Kimberly Daniels. Daniels also shares the following supporters with Alvin Brown.  Hon. Mia Jones, Hon. Reggie Fullwood, Hon. Johnny Gaffney and Hon. Reginald Brown. http://jaxledger.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/2011-quick-picks.pdf

For the record, I also do not support David Taylor either whose questionable business practices are not acceptable and should he be elected, I hope he is quickly removed.

[Timkin]

Thank you for clarifying that Diane.     I will be glad when this nightmare of an election is over, however it turns out.

Glad to know you share the sentiment that you do not agree with her choices.  I do not agree with either ,but for the record, I will ,as I have stated to you before, always befriend you .. what I do not get is ... back in the day when Glorious was (I assume )  actually seeking the position as mayor , YOU would have had nothing to do with endorsing Mike Hogan..and your postings at JOL indicated such.   Is it as simple as my position, that these were the two final choices, and you had to choose one or the other? or were you in support of Hogan all along?   This is what I just do not get.  You know I have stated all along.. my first choice was Glorious.. and it would have been even if she were running now.. Then it would have been Audrey.   But Hogan?  Tuesday I cast my vote.. convince me of ONE GOOD reason I should choose Mike Hogan over Alvin Brown..   For one thing ,, Mike Hogan has blown my mailbox up..and his advertisements, citing the courthouse and the Skyway as somehow being Brown's mistakes    His advertisements are frankly RIDICULOUS  and are blaming Brown for situations he had no control over.   If you really believe that either of these guys can promise no new taxes and stand by that YOU ARE KIDDING YOURSELF.    So please.. help me understand Diane.. What is it that you stand up for??  I love you to pieces.. but I totally DO NOT GET AT ALL your message. Alot of us are confused  Diane..  and I cannot speak for them .. only myself..  What is in this for you?  For me , it is a matter of choosing what I personally think is best for Jacksonville and its future.. for the best chance of having a vibrant downtown OR NOT HAVING ONE.   Mike Hogans message does not leave me with the feeling that he cares at all about downtown.. his message mainly is the same worn out message that Peyton promised 8 years ago and did not deliver on.. No taxes..total BS .   I don't CARE if I have to pay more taxes..... I want to see our downtown revive. I want to see our historic landmarks , including my very favorite one , Annie Lytle NOT end up in a landfill. My gut feeling is , Hogan will continue where Peyton left off and all of these places will end up bulldozed , we will pay more taxes, and our downtown will be finished off .     Please show me differently, since it is that you think he is the right choice.

[danno]

Same comercial ran tonight with a verbatum voice over by gospel singer CiCi Winans

[Diane Melendez]

Timkin

I will gladly discuss all of this with you over coffee one day but just share a few thoughts now.  I am not even going to attempt to convince you or anyone else who is in support of Alvin to change their vote.  Most already have their minds made up and many have already voted.  What I will say is that Glorious was in the race for real and I was her paid campaign consultant, at her request. As discussed on several threads, it became apparent to me after the November elections and the losses of Dems Alex Sink and Deborah Gianolis that a Democrat woman would not win the election for Mayor.  With Glory's mom becoming terminally ill and some of my own health issues, seeing the campaign through was no longer an option. What most don't know is another of Glory's immediate family members is also dying and in hospice.  The politics, the terminal illnesses of family members and the pressures of negotiating the political minefield that is Black politics has left her exhausted and conflicted with people pushing at her with their agenda's from all directions. Once I was no longer her political advisor, I could only give her suggestions as a friend.  Her choices as they have always been are ultimately her own.

If you look at the political landscape in this contest for Mayor you will see that people have had to adjust who they supported as the field of candidates changed. It has been morphing and changing now for nearly two years. As things changed and information became available people began to adjust their own views of candidates accordingly.  After March elections, the candidates for Mayor were cut down to two people.  Moran's people choosing a different candidate, Mullaneys people readjusting and picking sides and so it went on down the line.

Mike Hogans platform when it comes to our budget and how funding would be expended is identical to the one Glorious had.  Infact, alot of his platform was the same and while some of our political views may be different I had to look at each person in the race, using my own information and experience, much of it not available to the public and I knew for me Hogan was the candidate with the experience and understanding to get us through this financial mess we are all facing.  I had questions to be answered and I went to Mike with them. I found him to be a man very different than what was being portrayed and far more open and accepting than many make him out to be.  In short, he is a good man who wants to do right for Jacksonville.  Of course what has happened and always happens in politics is that their is the truth and there is the spin and unavoidable conflicts that political contests evoke.  Saying Mike is a good man is one thing, but finding out that he is also a very capable and informed man was the clencher for me.  He has an indepth and accurate understanding of how this city operates.

There are many levels to this chess game and every candidate, every single one has got to play their turn as well as they can.  The reality in politics at this level is that there are teams behind the candidates who set schedules, decide on mailers, ads and promo material.  The candidate hires them to use their expertise to appeal to their own voting base first and then campaign tactics change to meet each new event and day.  

I am supporting Mike Hogan because he really has a solid plan for the city.  All the side noise about religion and church that was so compelling for some at the beginning of this race has now settled down because Alvin has also spoken about and focused on his church and faith.

You may remember for awhile there was this talk about the GOB's controlling Jacksonville.  Because Hogans family has been in Jacksonville since its origin, he was well known and it was easy for people to cast him as a GOB.  What folks were not realizing at the time and still don't is that some of the most influential players of the GOB establishment were entrenched behind, Moran and Mullaney.  For those who had embraced Moran as a moderate republican, the focus of some of them went to Alvin as new blood and a new direction that was free of GOB and republican interests.  However, as the field of powerbrokers took up sides and deals were brokered or refused, folks like Rummel and Haskell put their efforts behind Brown.  The result being that the presence of the GOB republicans and their money is what began to move Alvin forward. At that point Alvin moved center and started to put distance between himself and his strong democrat connections to appeal to the middle and hopefully with Rummel, get more Republicans to his side.  So that put him on a par with everyone else when it came to GOB connections and effectively removed this notion that a Brown administration would be light years away from the old ways of doing business.  Brown has plans for his administration to include some of the nifty fifty (civic council folks) as well as some of Peytons current adminstration.

This city saw the effect of putting a mayor into office that claimed he would run the city like a business yet had no real experience in city government when John Peyton was elected.  Major mistakes were made as a result of that choice.  Jacksonvilles current and economic future must be brought into balance and much of this city's functions retooled.  Someone new, inspite of charisma and good intentions but lacking boots on the ground experience in elected or local office is not the choice I was willing to make for our future.  I know the next four years are going to be very, very hard for the next Mayor and for me the person who should step into that office must know the ropes of local government in and out to get us through the next four years and on the way to a better future.

[Timkin]

I sincerely appreciate your prompt response , Diane.  I would really like to have that coffee with you. Glorious asked me to have lunch, and I intend to do that as well. 


Whoever turns out to be the next Mayor has a full plate and either will go into office with intent of doing a good job from day one, or be very apparent, that they were not cut out for the job.  I still beg to differ on Hogan's ability to take the ball and run with it.  I will respect you and Glorious' choice.   I cannot embrace Daniels.  There is no sugar-coating that candidate and making it taste right.  Her words were plain.  I would never endorse such a hateful person, who claims to be a minister of God's word. 

Soon enough we will know where the land lies.  If Hogan wants to add me to his bad-guy list, so be it.

[Diane Melendez]

You asked Timkin and I was happy to respond.  Your choices are your own to make and that is how it should be.  I can tell you that Mike does not keep a list of bad guys.  One of his best qualities is his openess to people, even if they don't happen to agree with him about an issue.  Now I am over and out for now.  Three days more and we will all know what the next step for Jacksonville is. 

[Jimmy]

I think you can spin the troubles this town is in in a variety of ways.  I've come to see it as a city that's been in single-party lockdown for going on twenty years.  That kind of unchecked power leads to the corruption that has eaten away at our budget process and turned our treasury into a political payback machine for wealthy cronies.  They're lining up at Hogan's trough, just as they did at Peyton's.  Toney Sleiman is first in line, many more to follow.

What we need in this town is some balance.  We need a check on the Republican City Council.  That's not going to come from a Republican former Councilman.  Hogan's part of the problem that led us to this mess.  There's got to be a better way forward.

I think Kim Daniels points us toward another set of problems that have been able to fester too long in Jacksonville.  She is all about division and attack.  With Republican money in her campaign account... well, I just think Jacksonville is best served by her electoral defeat on Tuesday.

[Timkin]

Thank you , Diane. For the record, whether he keeps a list actually , or not, I am not a bad guy. Some might disagree and that is fine.  I do not know either candidate personally, and so this cannot be personal. I , (and I hope I am not alone on this ) simply want to see Jacksonville move FORWARD.  To want anything other than that , IMO is to not love and care about the city and the people I share a home with.  I HOPE AND PRAY that WHOEVER becomes our next mayor , will do the job to the best of their ability.  This, to me is not about who is a good ole boy or who I like personally or not. It is about who will do this very difficult job and LISTEN, FOR ONCE to the voice of the people , many of which , even on this site have wonderful ideas and indeed have the best interest of Jacksonville , at heart.  



   Agree completely Jimmy, especially where Daniels is concerned.  She shot herself in the foot as far as I am concerned and she can talk all she wants.  Her message is HATRED, and I personally have no place for it .

[ChriswUfGator]

You asked Timkin and I was happy to respond.  Your choices are your own to make and that is how it should be.  I can tell you that Mike does not keep a list of bad guys.  One of his best qualities is his openess to people, even if they don't happen to agree with him about an issue.  Now I am over and out for now.  Three days more and we will all know what the next step for Jacksonville is. 

Well, of course Mike doesn't keep a list of "dislikes" since he'd be at the top of his own list. That kind of self-loathing can't be good for a politician's ego. If you look at everything he is complaining about, the courthouse etc., he was in office with his buddy Peyton when those boondoggles were hatched. Brown had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

[FayeforCure]

I think you can spin the troubles this town is in in a variety of ways.  I've come to see it as a city that's been in single-party lockdown for going on twenty years.  That kind of unchecked power leads to the corruption that has eaten away at our budget process and turned our treasury into a political payback machine for wealthy cronies.  They're lining up at Hogan's trough, just as they did at Peyton's.  Toney Sleiman is first in line, many more to follow.

What we need in this town is some balance.  We need a check on the Republican City Council.  That's not going to come from a Republican former Councilman.  Hogan's part of the problem that led us to this mess.  There's got to be a better way forward.

Yup, it's all about those checks and balances that cause accountability to flourish.

One party rule never does nor ever will.

Mixing religious intolerance and hatred with politics is a bad recipe no matter what party you are from.

Keep religion out of politics and government!!

[Timkin]

You asked Timkin and I was happy to respond.  Your choices are your own to make and that is how it should be.  I can tell you that Mike does not keep a list of bad guys.  One of his best qualities is his openess to people, even if they don't happen to agree with him about an issue.  Now I am over and out for now.  Three days more and we will all know what the next step for Jacksonville is. 

Well, of course Mike doesn't keep a list of "dislikes" since he'd be at the top of his own list. That kind of self-loathing can't be good for a politician's ego. If you look at everything he is complaining about, the courthouse etc., he was in office with his buddy Peyton when those boondoggles were hatched. Brown had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

AGREED , Chris..  The Advertisement Hogan has been passing around showing Alvin with a backdrop of the Skyway and Peyton's slightly overpriced courthouse and somehow trying to peg Brown to that , is ... I don't have a word for it.   

At this point I would rather have ANYONE in the Mayor's office who has not served on council, has not been a tax collector, dog catcher,  street sweeper , or held any other position in Jacksonville's City government... Its called NEW BLOOD and it is long past overdue...for the sake of our city , ESPECIALLY Downtown .

[mtraininjax]

Yo MC HAMMER would not Support a Deadbeat, or would he, does it take one to know one?

[ChriswUfGator]

Yo MC HAMMER would not Support a Deadbeat, or would he, does it take one to know one?

Alvin Brown is a deadbeat? You kind of lost me there...

[mtraininjax]

Alvin Brown is a deadbeat? You kind of lost me there...

Chris, who in this campaign is MC Hammer supporting? Take a wild and crazy guess, no its not Papa Hogan, no its not Clay Yarborough, although that is a good guess, its the lovely and vivacious Ms. Daniels, who looks amazing for having 6, yes count them 6 children!

[ChriswUfGator]

Oh gotcha now. I forgot what thread I was in for a minute, I thought this was the mayoral one.

My apologies, that was a serious brain fart. Especially considering I started this thread. Sheesh I need carbs or something.