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ChriswUfGator · May 03, 2011, 06:42:15 PM

Quote from: NotNow on May 03, 2011, 06:38:10 PM
I am not making an "argument". I pointed out that the Iraqi's had 550 tons of yellow cake urainium. It was secured by the US military and was transported out of the country. It is a simple fact.

There is no use in going over the history with all of you again. This is your website. Tell each other whatever you want. I am simply stating a fact and look at the little frenzy that it causes!

So answer this simple question; Were Bush's statements about Iraq's weapons program true?

NotNow · May 03, 2011, 06:47:53 PM

I have repeated the only statement of fact I have made here several times. Iraq possessed 550 tons of yellow cake urainium. It was secured by US forces. It was transported to Canada by the US.

Is this not a fact? Of course it is. Now, as I have also stated several times, you guys spin it any way you want...the facts remain the same. Making up "questions" about arguments that you have invented is an interesting exercise...for you.

NotNow · May 03, 2011, 06:56:34 PM

StephenDare!, we have discussed this ad nauseum. I made a statement of fact. You are aware that this is a fact. It is that simple. Whether you accept my choice of participation or not is not of concern to me.

As has been obvious for some time, this is your site. You can state anything you want. You don't need my "opinions" here.

And if you don't want me to state facts, then just say so and I will not post them any longer as well.

NotNow · May 03, 2011, 06:59:31 PM

Chicken? Really? You think I am a coward?

NotNow · May 03, 2011, 07:06:18 PM

Cute. I stand by my statement...and remain amused at your choice of words for me. I suppose I have been called worse.

NotNow · May 03, 2011, 07:16:13 PM

Gee whiz. I guess that I will just have to look to you and Chris as "examples" of "moral courage".

You do understand the difference between "fact" and "opinion" don't you StephenDare!?

Like I said...your site, enjoy yourself.

wsansewjs · May 03, 2011, 07:17:02 PM

The man with the epic monocle strikes again!

I lol'd how the way the thread turned 90 degrees there and there and there then arrive at the current conclusion.

-Josh

ChriswUfGator · May 03, 2011, 07:33:28 PM

Quote from: NotNow on May 03, 2011, 07:16:13 PM
Gee whiz. I guess that I will just have to look to you and Chris as "examples" of "moral courage".

You do understand the difference between "fact" and "opinion" don't you StephenDare!?

Like I said...your site, enjoy yourself.

I'd rather just have a straight answer to the very simple question; Did Saddam have WMDs or not?

This isn't some hypothetical question, you know. We invaded another country wrongfully, and we all know how that WMD claim turned out, don't we? Your ongoing refusal to acknowledge the basic realities that everyone else already knows only speaks to your character, not to the issue. There isn't a person on the planet, up to and including President Bush, who hasn't already acknowledged that the justification for the Iraq war was incorrect.

You're like that Japanese soldier who walked out of the jungle on Iwo Jima in the 60s and finally realized the war was over. 20 years too late. Enjoy eating the cockroaches in your jungle cave while you wait for orders from the Chimperor.

NotNow · May 03, 2011, 08:00:29 PM

A simple statement of fact. Is it that hard to take? You guys have discussed it completely. Why do you need me to step in?

NotNow · May 03, 2011, 08:05:43 PM

Ah, my character...and the name calling. Thanks for your "opinion". Don't you want to call me a "coward" as well?

Of course, none of this changes the fact that Iraq had 550 tons of yellow cake uranium, does it?

ChriswUfGator · May 03, 2011, 08:17:47 PM

Quote from: NotNow on May 03, 2011, 08:05:43 PM
Ah, my character...and the name calling. Thanks for your "opinion". Don't you want to call me a "coward" as well?

Well speaking personally, I never called you a coward. I wouldn't use that term, this is different. I don't know what exactly you'd call it, but how you handle situations where you're uncomfortable with the obvious, or where you have some emotional objection to doing the right thing, for whatever reason, is the true measure of a man. It doesn't take much to go through life blaming others and refusing to accept responsibility for incorrect views or mistakes. That's a coward's way out, and even then only in his own mind. Admitting you're wrong is far more difficult than not, even when everyone else already knows it. Quirk of human nature. I think this was Stephen's point. You're the first one to make others admit they're wrong on this site, the rules can't change simply because the shoe is on the other foot.

NotNow · May 03, 2011, 08:24:31 PM

So there was not 550 tons of yellow cake uranium in Iraq? That is the only statement I have made. I have made no other claim. How am I wrong?

Perhaps you guys have confused your ferver in your own arguments with my statement of fact. I have not contradicted you in any way. Is it possible that in your own mind, your dislike for the truth of what I have stated drives you to make me say...something? Why is your own explanation of the situation not enough for you?

And yes, when factually wrong, I have pressed you and others to correct themselves. I have had to retract factually wrong statements myself. So I will ask again, what have I said that is factually wrong? Or are you forming my opinion in your own mind?

RiversideLoki · May 03, 2011, 09:21:26 PM

NotNow, you seem to lack a certain grasp on nuclear physics and the sheer amount of economic power it takes to turn that much "yellowcake" into a bomb.

The uranium (which was found rusting in drums and clearly not used) would have to have been refined. Which (ask Iran) is no easy task.

Iraq possessed neither the economic ability, nor the scientific capability to refine that uranium into anything other than an annoyance. Might I add that we've dispersed nearly that much in depleted uranium rounds during the entire span of both wars.

That yellowcake was a ruse. Anyone with any scientific know how laughed at that. So use that as your smoking gun if you want, but be prepared to be called out on it.

NotNow · May 03, 2011, 09:31:55 PM

Riverside, I have not mentioned any smoking gun. I simply said one thing. Iraq possessed 550 tons of yellow cake uranium. The US secured it and transported it out of Iraq. I have not commented on it's use, or claimed expertise in nuclear physics. I have made no other claims. I have not offered any opinion on the subject. If you say it was a "ruse", that's OK with me. You back up your own statements.

I do have a question for you though, if you don't mind. With your expertise in nuclear physics, what would you say is the difference between yellow cake uranium and depleted uranium ammunition?

Timkin · May 03, 2011, 10:15:54 PM

Let me ask the question then.. because I really do not know for a fact, the answer... and for the record , Chris nor Stephen asked me to do this. I am asking on my own, because I honestly do not know ...

Not Now....Was there Weapons of Mass Destruction in Sadaam's possession? If so , where were they and what became of them? Where did the yellow cake uranium that is the topic of discussion here, come from? I do not have answers to any of that.