Scott to Eliminate funding for the Public housing he used to live American Dream

[mtraininjax]

And its driven the country to municipal bankruptcies from east coast to west coast.

I know you are just itching to say it, say the Golden State, come on?

The American Dream is alive and well, perhaps I see more opportunity on a daily basis than you and others who funnel the drivel from CNN and online news. Smart people turn off that drivel and realize that people to people interaction, solving problems one on one with people, its happening all around us, but too many people look at life and the country as half empty or nearly empty. That's not the case to those of us who have seen problems and the American people overcome them and persevere. Bury the head if you will, I choose to see the positives.

[BridgeTroll]

Ah yes, cutting.

Well that makes sense.  And its driven the country to municipal bankruptcies from east coast to west coast.

Ah yes... well then dont cut.  Perhaps we should raise taxes?

Um yeah.  Bridge Troll.  Pay the debt before it doubles with interest payments.

What is so difficult for you 'conservative' types to understand about that?

Hey... I get it... Mr Obama is the one you should be talking to...

[mtraininjax]

Um yeah.  Bridge Troll.  Pay the debt before it doubles with interest payments.

What is so difficult for you 'conservative' types to understand about that?

Stephen, are you just looking to destroy all the incentives to open a business here in the United States? 14 trillion and counting, we have 2 wars going on and a conflict now in Libya, we send money around the globe, like we can just make more, which we do. Has our financial policy improved since Obama has taken office, more of the same or frighteningly, just worsened? I think the latter. Perhaps that is the news story that no one pays attention to, unless its election season, then its news for 5 minutes until we have another TMZ story.

[JeffreyS]

Quite a fellow.

WOW, such great ideas to complain rather than dig in and look for areas to cut and save. Its the old analogy, cut anything as long as it does not affect me, or not in my backyard. The guy has to cut 4 billion for this year.

What do you cut, what do you keep? How about some ideas here instead of the same old whining?

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I would cut the tax breaks. In a low tax state the tax breaks do not offer much to stimulate our economy where as the revenue is very useful.

[mtraininjax]

You were pretty vicious about it actually.

Pot calling the kettle black?

Vicious? Friendly bantering perhaps...

hysterically claiming

More like rationalizing an issue with left wing extremist who see the end of the world is near. I don't share your view. Sorry.

[Ocklawaha]

What keeps getting lost in the smoldering ruins of our social system are the special needs population. For example as a teacher you will be paid according to your students test scores... Great! Now please explain who is going to volunteer to teach the basic ed classes down at Juvenile Detention? How about the Sweat Hogs in your neighborhood school? Alright, so they are the junior dregs of society so screw em!

We also have a huge problem associated with failing schools, that translates into graduates that cannot read and write. How's that working out for us? Just another huge sector of society which will either choose the hard road and get the missing education or take the route of less resistance and fall in with homeless, and possibly even a criminal element. Fatherless families, illegitimate children, absentee parents, malnutrition, disease infected and bug infested futures.  Let's just dump this entire population on the street with ZERO assistance, that'll teach them!

Then lets then consider the retarded? the autistic? the dyslexic? the hearing impaired? vision impaired? and myriad other handicaps.

Then you have other special needs populations, victims that don't even know they are victims?  Bagley & Young did a study and found that 73% of all prostitutes were molested or sexually trafficked as children, compared with 29% in the general population... So what shall we do with them? A couple of years ago an element on these boards was suggesting paint balloons, searchlights and ball bearing sling shots.

Could it be that RICK SCOTT was posting under an unknown pen name?

My point isn't even to charge the governor for his irresponsible scheme, but to lay this population before our representatives and ask the question. What about a safety net? Or will we become so callous to the miserable masses that we will start bulldozing entire neighborhoods? Shall we drive them all into Georgia? Alabama? How dare someone be born in Florida with a learning disability, a handicap, or develop a mental or drug problem. HOW DARE ANYONE TO COME TO FLORIDA AND NEED A HAND.  Deportation is just a tiny step from clearing the ghettos, after that the only thing left to do is put up the signs...

SCARY SHIT ISN'T IT???

OCKLAWAHA

[DeadGirlsDontDance]

Um yeah.  Bridge Troll.  Pay the debt before it doubles with interest payments.

What is so difficult for you 'conservative' types to understand about that?

Stephen, are you just looking to destroy all the incentives to open a business here in the United States? 14 trillion and counting, we have 2 wars going on and a conflict now in Libya, we send money around the globe, like we can just make more, which we do. Has our financial policy improved since Obama has taken office, more of the same or frighteningly, just worsened? I think the latter. Perhaps that is the news story that no one pays attention to, unless its election season, then its news for 5 minutes until we have another TMZ story.

Hmm.  I seem to remember that you supported those two wars and called people names who didnt agree with you Mtrain.  You were pretty vicious about it actually.  So would that mean that the last time you had a big idea, it was financially disastrous (as you are now claiming)?

Well thats awesome, I suppose.  Nice to hear it after four years of you hysterically claiming the exact opposite.

So after the policies you championed created these 14 trillion dollar debts, you think we should just keep up with the same ideas?

This sounds like the definition of something frankly.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Misattributed to various people, including Albert Einstein and Mark Twain. The earliest known occurrence, and probable origin is Rita Mae Brown, Sudden Death (Bantam Books, New York, 1983), p. 68.

[avonjax]

I will repeat how I feel about all of this. All we hear about are cuts, cuts, cuts. But has anyone other than me noticed that the only cuts that large corporations and the wealthy have had to be inconvenienced with is a cut in their taxes? Talk about unsustainable. The conservative plague HAS NOT WORKED. The stupid tax cuts that have occurred in Florida in the last 12 or so years have made the state worse off than ever. mtraininjax, this ain't whining baby, this is fact! And never talk about the abuse of the system by the poor, because you are a liar if you believe the corporations and the wealthy don't abuse the system as much. NEVER forget that Mr Scott's family gratefully lived on government assistance to make it through. He is a disgusting hypocrite. And NEVER forget MUCH of his wealth came out of YOUR tax money. He robbed you and me. He has been living a privileged life off the fat of the government. So there is your example of abuse of the system.

[uptowngirl]

The tax code needs to change, any American company offshoring/nearshoring needs to pay a "special tax" a HIGHER tax. Since they are saving so much money by utilizing workers from third world countries they should be paying a portion of that SVA into the tax coffers. Working offshore/nearshore is an incredible pain in the rear end so if these companies are not making a HUGE profit on it they will give it up and more Americans will have jobs. I have no idea how many jobs are actually offshored by I bet the number is in the millions. Millions of American's back to work, more tax revenue, better educational systems (because a LOT of these jobs are not factory jobs), more opportunity for everyone.

Quit whining about foodstamps, public housing, health care, part time benefits, and whether a woman needs a sonogram to get an abortion, and START driving real change that makes a lot of these favorite topics a mute point. Where is this Change we were all promised? This one simple change could really make huge differences in the average American's life.

[Garden guy]

Our local big employers City Bank probably has more employees in india than they have in the usa...it's rediculous.

[copperfiend]

Our local big employers City Bank probably has more employees in india than they have in the usa...it's rediculous.

Most (if not all) are not Citibank employees actually. Most of them are contractors for companies like AT&T and IBM. Comcast has a big overseas presence as well. I have been to the areas outside of New Delhi where they have these call centers. There are entire towns that are nothing but office buildings housing call centers for American companies. Most are behind security fences and all of the employees are bussed in from the heavily populated areas. It is sort of surreal.

[FayeforCure]

I will repeat how I feel about all of this. All we hear about are cuts, cuts, cuts. But has anyone other than me noticed that the only cuts that large corporations and the wealthy have had to be inconvenienced with is a cut in their taxes? Talk about unsustainable. The conservative plague HAS NOT WORKED. The stupid tax cuts that have occurred in Florida in the last 12 or so years have made the state worse off than ever. mtraininjax, this ain't whining baby, this is fact! And never talk about the abuse of the system by the poor, because you are a liar if you believe the corporations and the wealthy don't abuse the system as much. NEVER forget that Mr Scott's family gratefully lived on government assistance to make it through. He is a disgusting hypocrite. And NEVER forget MUCH of his wealth came out of YOUR tax money. He robbed you and me. He has been living a privileged life off the fat of the government. So there is your example of abuse of the system.

Again, very well said! Except you left out that the abuse of the system by the ultra-wealthy and corporations is on a much larger scale in terms of costs to our society than what our safety net for the poor costs.


Those who diss on the poor primarily do so because they are too insecure to feel good about themselves............it's an old psychological trick to put others down to feel better about oneself!

Thanks Ock for bringing up a primary reason for poverty: physical disability and mental disability and old age. Things they have no contrtol over........the forgotten.

In closing I want to say that Rick Scott is the biggest Welfare Queen in the history of the US. First he used our safety net, then he ripped off our seniors for personal gain. What a sick puppy!!!!

I will have to ask you though...............which cost our society more?

1. Rick Scott's family using our safety net

or

2. Rick Scott ripping off our seniors

Ah, you are starting to see the much larger scale damage done by high-level/white collar crime now?

Dissing on the poor has just been a way to distract you from the whole-sale robbing of our nation by the ultra-wealthy and corporations.

Don't believe me?

Here is one more item to make this abundantly clear:

the share of U.S. taxes paid by corporations has fallen from 30 percent of federal revenue in the 1950s to 6.6 percent in 2009

Why do Republicans continue to wage a War on Women and Workers instead of looking for REAL revenue sources?:

1. Corporations
2. Ultra-wealthy

[BridgeTroll]

the share of U.S. taxes paid by corporations has fallen from 30 percent of federal revenue in the 1950s to 6.6 percent in 2009

Why Faye?

[JMac]

Corporations are owned by ordinary people, who, by the way, pay taxes on dividends and capital gains.  I don't understand the left's anti-corporate hardon.

[FayeforCure]

the share of U.S. taxes paid by corporations has fallen from 30 percent of federal revenue in the 1950s to 6.6 percent in 2009

Why Faye?

Well, let me first explain the currently intensified War on Women and Workers

Meet ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council, a national right-wing group that writes "model" legislation for its members. Who are its members? Republican state legislators and private organizations (think ExxonMobil).

Because ALEC is very secretive, only members get to know who its members are, what goes on at meetings, and what legislation is being authored and pushed.

The nearest analog to ALEC that I’m aware of on the left is the Progressive States Network, whose website can be perused at
http://www.progressivestates.org/
but PSN was only founded in 2005, does not mainly focus on writing model legislation, and is not as well organized or as disciplined as ALEC.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,11565.0.html

As to corporations shirking their societal duties to pay taxes, after all, taxes are the price you pay to live and do business in a civilized society........

That all started with the conservative resurgence of which Reagan was part ( he was a highly paid sales person for GE, something many of you may have forgotten)

after the Goldwater defeat in 1964, visionary conservative leaders began to build a series of organizations and networks designed to promote their values and construct systematic strategies for sympathetic politicians. Some of these organizations are reasonably well knownâ€"for instance, the Heritage Foundation, founded in 1973 by Paul Weyrich, a Racine native and UW-Madison alumnus who also started the Moral Majority and whose importance to the movement is almost impossible to overestimateâ€"but many of these groups remain largely invisible.

That’s why events like the ones we’ve just experienced in Wisconsin can seem to come out of nowhere. Few outside the conservative movement have been paying much attention, and that is ill-advised.

Again from Professor William Cronon:

ALEC’s efforts to disenfranchise voters likely to vote Democratic, for instance, and its efforts to destroy public-sector unions because they also tend to favor Democrats, strike me as objectionable and anti-democratic (as opposed to anti-Democratic) on their face. As a pragmatic centrist in my own politics, I very strongly favor seeking the public good from both sides of the partisan aisle, and it’s not at all clear to me that recent legislation in Wisconsin or elsewhere can be defended as doing this. Shining a bright light on ALEC’s activities (and on other groups as well, across the political spectrum) thus seems to me a valuable thing to do whether or not one favors its political goals.

One of the first things Rick Scott did was:

Rick Scott reintroduced Florida to Jim Crow-style voting laws, which essentially disenfranchise a large percentage of African Americans and just so happen to boost Scott's chances at reelection. The law brought back draconian restrictions on felon's voting rights that Florida's two previous governors worked to reform.

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2011/03/rick_scott_naacp_felons_voting.php