Jacksonville conspiracy

[Coolyfett]

How about the concept that very few people want to live downtown, no conspiracy needed, no evil oil companies.  How about the concept that people do in fact enjoy their 1/4 to 1 acre lots , regardless of the marxist clap trap posted above, and don't want to be shoved against one another in an urban desert like downtown jax?

LOL, well life is about options. Not everyone wants to drive the big SUV & have the big house out in the sticks, that option DOES exist in Jax, but the affordable apartment complex near a train station that connects to downtown DOES NOT exist. I don't think the founders of this forum want the SUV guy in Mandarin to move downtown, but would like the option of "urban train riding guy" to be able to go SOME places with out having to gas up. Its only FAIR.

the urbanistas that want to turn JAX into an urban utopia should consider using their energy to engineer a way that they can move to place where all the urban amenities exist. I voted with my feet by moving to NE FLA, they too can can find a metropolis that suits them much easier than trying to transform JAX into what THEY think would make it great

LOL yep

[Ocklawaha]

the urbanistas that want to turn JAX into an urban utopia should consider using their energy to engineer a way that they can move to place where all the urban amenities exist. I voted with my feet by moving to NE FLA, they too can can find a metropolis that suits them much easier than trying to transform JAX into what THEY think would make it great

So let me get this straight. You moved here from NJ or some other place I'd consider a "Hell Hole", and NOTHING that is good about NJ should ever enter your life again? Because you wanted to move to a smaller scale City that is booming at 15% growth, while your home state rusts away, you feel the licence to boot us out of town, or off the boards, if you must pay a penny to improve our lifestyles? Those of us that grew up here, know we are on the march toward greatness, and we're willing to pay the price so we don't repeat the mistakes of our Yankee cousins. Yet we should learn from the good in all places ever reaching for the top bar.

If you REALLY want to sit forever in 1800, I can suggest some religious communities in Maryland, or better yet, outside of tiny and isolated Nuqui, Colombia... (oops that won't work there's a new highway heading right for that beach!)

Waiting to ride that train, I'll even buy your ticket Apvbguy!

[Coolyfett]

How about the concept that very few people want to live downtown, no conspiracy needed, no evil oil companies.  How about the concept that people do in fact enjoy their 1/4 to 1 acre lots , regardless of the marxist clap trap posted above, and don't want to be shoved against one another in an urban desert like downtown jax?

LOL, well life is about options. Not everyone wants to drive the big SUV & have the big house out in the sticks, that option DOES exist in Jax, but the affordable apartment complex near a train station that connects to downtown DOES NOT exist. I don't think the founders of this forum want the SUV guy in Mandarin to move downtown, but would like the option of "urban train riding guy" to be able to go SOME places with out having to gas up. Its only FAIR.

the urbanistas that want to turn JAX into an urban utopia should consider using their energy to engineer a way that they can move to place where all the urban amenities exist. I voted with my feet by moving to NE FLA, they too can can find a metropolis that suits them much easier than trying to transform JAX into what THEY think would make it great

Is that one of those "if you don't like it then move" comments? Just curious if thats what that was, if so it is hilarious. LOL ROFLMAO!

[apvbguy]

So let me get this straight. You moved here from NJ or some other place I'd consider a "Hell Hole", and NOTHING that is good about NJ should ever enter your life again? Because you wanted to move to a smaller scale City that is booming at 15% growth, while your home state rusts away, you feel the licence to boot us out of town, or off the boards, if you must pay a penny to improve our lifestyles? Those of us that grew up here, know we are on the march toward greatness, and we're willing to pay the price so we don't repeat the mistakes of our Yankee cousins. Yet we should learn from the good in all places ever reaching for the top bar.

hahaha, if you become like a northern city then it is inevitable that you will repeat their mistakes! and then you'll have JAX become the hell hole like those you refer to.
It is the small minded jingoistic nonsense like yours that is a part of the problem here, not people who have moved here and have shunned the core.

Too bad you are so against people who don't share your views, spouting nonsense like "if you don't agree with my version just leave", well ockie whether you like it or not I'll leave when I damned well chose to and while I am here I will interject my opinions and ideas and if you don't like it, that is just too damned bad.

Now to correct your misunderstandings,
I am not saying that booting anyone out of town is the answer, too bad that's how you see it, too bad you have an all or nothing approach to things, too bad you are so intolerant of opinions that don't sound just like yours.  the way I see it is that it is the urbanistas who are always whining about how bad things in JAX are.
some the usual complaints are that there's nothing to do, there's nowhere to go and no way to get there.

I suggested that if JAX is so horrible that all the energies being expended by y'all to try and turn JAX an "urban utopia" were used to figure out how y'all can just go to a place where your utopian concepts are already in place, you be able to just go there and live the hip urban lifestyle, ride the buses and subways, live life the way you guys think it should be lived, go, go find your dream place. Have a blast, see ya!

Now I am new to JAX and I have accepted it for what it is, it is far from perfect but the vast majority of people are ok with JAX and the surrounding areas just the way it is.
it would be quite presumptuous for someone like me to move here and then bark orders on how to change the place in order to suit my views of a perfect place.
JAX is what it is and I deal with it.
if I wasn't ok with JAX being what it is, I didn't have to locate here, I could have landed elsewhere.
That said there are things that can be down to enhance the viability of the core, but people like you who harbor such animosities for people who aren't in lockstep with your visions are a huge impediment to any improvements ever happening. Many if you need to grow up and learn how to effect real change, what you guys are doing will never work.
How many people at city hall talk to you?  even you admit they view you as a kook, and if I were in their place  I'd think the same. One day you'll grow up and learn how to play nice, then and only then will you have a shot at making things happen.

by the way what time does that ferry from NYC to AC leave?

[Ocklawaha]

So let me get this straight. You moved here from NJ or some other place I'd consider a "Hell Hole", and NOTHING that is good about NJ should ever enter your life again? Because you wanted to move to a smaller scale City that is booming at 15% growth, while your home state rusts away, you feel the licence to boot us out of town, or off the boards, if you must pay a penny to improve our lifestyles? Those of us that grew up here, know we are on the march toward greatness, and we're willing to pay the price so we don't repeat the mistakes of our Yankee cousins. Yet we should learn from the good in all places ever reaching for the top bar.

hahaha, if you become like a northern city then it is inevitable that you will repeat their mistakes! and then you'll have JAX become the hell hole like those you refer to.
It is the small minded jingoistic nonsense like yours that is a part of the problem here, not people who have moved here and have shunned the core.

Too bad you are so against people who don't share your views, spouting nonsense like "if you don't agree with my version just leave", well ockie whether you like it or not I'll leave when I damned well chose to and while I am here I will interject my opinions and ideas and if you don't like it, that is just too damned bad.

Now to correct your misunderstandings,
I am not saying that booting anyone out of town is the answer, too bad that's how you see it, too bad you have an all or nothing approach to things, too bad you are so intolerant of opinions that don't sound just like yours.  the way I see it is that it is the urbanistas who are always whining about how bad things in JAX are.
some the usual complaints are that there's nothing to do, there's nowhere to go and no way to get there.

I suggested that if JAX is so horrible that all the energies being expended by y'all to try and turn JAX an "urban utopia" were used to figure out how y'all can just go to a place where your utopian concepts are already in place, you be able to just go there and live the hip urban lifestyle, ride the buses and subways, live life the way you guys think it should be lived, go, go find your dream place. Have a blast, see ya!

Now I am new to JAX and I have accepted it for what it is, it is far from perfect but the vast majority of people are ok with JAX and the surrounding areas just the way it is.
it would be quite presumptuous for someone like me to move here and then bark orders on how to change the place in order to suit my views of a perfect place.
JAX is what it is and I deal with it.
if I wasn't ok with JAX being what it is, I didn't have to locate here, I could have landed elsewhere.
That said there are things that can be down to enhance the viability of the core, but people like you who harbor such animosities for people who aren't in lockstep with your visions are a huge impediment to any improvements ever happening. Many if you need to grow up and learn how to effect real change, what you guys are doing will never work.
How many people at city hall talk to you?  even you admit they view you as a kook, and if I were in their place  I'd think the same. One day you'll grow up and learn how to play nice, then and only then will you have a shot at making things happen.


by the way what time does that ferry from NYC to AC leave?

You were SO RIGHT, the ferry quit running, so, currently there are two companies working to RESTORE this service, one is being completed in CT. it is HIGH SPEED HYDROPLANE and will soon operate to a Native American Casino NYC-CT, with AC to come later. The other is in the article below:

Firm proposes high-speed ferry from NYC to Atlantic City
by The Star-Ledger Continuous News Desk
Tuesday June 24, 2008, 8:57 AM
A New York company is working to launch a high-speed ferry line that would run between Brooklyn and Atlantic City, according to a report in the Press of Atlantic City.

The report said Unitel Marine Services plans to charge $58 for regular round-trip tickets and $85 for VIP seating aboard the 600-passenger ferry.

I don't know APVBGuy, your like a run away earth worm on here. Doesn't really matter what anyone posts, you attack the messengers with all the self supporting bristle of an injection molded, stereotypical, smoggy reptile. I'm certain we have real differences, but if you would read the thread, you would see that I wasn't the "ista" that started this "ANTI" thread. Yet, there you go again, like a pre-lubricated gum ball machine with an over active diarrhea symptom. That I am guilty of being some kind of "kook" (your term) is just a smoke screen for your own vegetative nonsense. In fact, you fear that the City would listen to me? Come join me. I'm on first name basis with every politico and developer and serve on every darn board, advisory, and meeting in town.

Perhaps you are confused? You think as "The old Hippie" I'm in some drug induced time warp? NOT. I did however carry forward with one thing, I'll grow old, but I'll NEVER GROW UP. I'd much rather die as an enlightened, fun, joking neon beacon, then an irritated old scab, on an off centered wart.

Frankly, if you would ever take the time to be in civil dialog here, you might even lean that MY streetcar plan is PRIVATE and my financing ideas, which are proprietary, would pay us (all citizens or the Corporation) a profit BEFORE the first rail went onto the ties. But you've never given me or anyone else the chance to discuss it with you.

I'll make a public wager here, (legally no cash involved - just pride) that "If I helped a 3Rd world railroad come back from the dead, I sure a heck can put rail in Jacksonville." All we need is a little help from our friends.

So again from the Flaky Flank, to the Inconsiderate Cod, join us in our desire to make Jacksonville great.

[apvbguy]

what is your point, & why are you here?

my point is that I don't need anyone to tell me if I don't like it, leave.
that is complete BS

[Ocklawaha]

I suggested that if JAX is so horrible that all the energies being expended by y'all to try and turn JAX an "urban utopia" were used to figure out how y'all can just go to a place where your Utopian concepts are already in place, you be able to just go there and live the hip urban lifestyle, ride the buses and subways, live life the way you guys think it should be lived, go, go find your dream place. Have a blast, see ya!

Who said we should leave? I just said if you were so unhappy with progress, I could suggest a few places where you could rust in peace.

"Ista's", "utopia", etc... just an observation from someone who has sat across a table from the little red star, for a guy that labels everything progressive as some sort of Communist take over of Jacksonville, you sure do have their lingo down pat.

[Coolyfett]

what is your point, & why are you here?

my point is that I don't need anyone to tell me if I don't like it, leave.
that is complete BS

Who on here said that? You were the only post that I read saying anything close. I agree if someone said that, the yea it is BS, but I have never read a "if you don't like Jax then leave" on here, maybe I missed it. Are you for making Jax better or not?

[civil42806]

Ouch, didn't intend on  making this post a b#tch slap session.  In fact after I reread my post, it was actually too harsh.  Thats what happens when I read Marxist crap that was posted much earlier.  I have no problem with living in a vibrant downtown.  Four years I was in downtown Savannah and loved every minute of it.  I certainly hope that our downtown can recover, I'm just too darn old to participate and put up with the crap that it would intail.  I can remember going downtown with my parents  and going to the banks and all the stores. But people live in the burbs for a reason.  While I am having to live out of town for a time. I love working my gardens and having some open space when I get home.  But Ock, don't even get me started on the people mover, and you need to hit european street, there is one at the beach.

[Seraphs]

Personally, I don't support the conspiracy crap.  In my opinion First Baptist does not have the grip it once held downtown in the Lindsey days.  I feel downtown is just under the impact of the economy, however, it would be a littlle better with better leadership. 

[Ocklawaha]

But Ock, don't even get me started on the people mover, and you need to hit european street, there is one at the beach.

Okay, Civil, I'll bite... What's at European Street? Haven't been there yet. Cool stuff, good food or SOCO? REBEL YELL?

As for the Skyway-People Mover, you do know, I'm the one that told them 30 years ago what they would do and how it would turn out don't you? That was me raising Jakes BP to the point where his ticker quit (not my intent BTW). I do see it now as a massive investment and white elephant. I've been doing my homework and very little needs to be done to make it viable - and I wouldn't stand for another $200 Mil boondoggle. So as long as we're both being Civil, please, let me hear your take on the Skyway... Be as constructive as possible, maybe I can use some of your thoughts.

OCKLAWAHA

[Keith-N-Jax]

Personally, I don't support the conspiracy crap.  In my opinion First Baptist does not have the grip it once held downtown in the Lindsey days.  I feel downtown is just under the impact of the economy, however, it would be a littlle better with better leadership. 

Good leadership is the key for Jacksonville until then nothing will change.

[civil42806]

But Ock, don't even get me started on the people mover, and you need to hit european street, there is one at the beach.

Okay, Civil, I'll bite... What's at European Street? Haven't been there yet. Cool stuff, good food or SOCO? REBEL YELL?

As for the Skyway-People Mover, you do know, I'm the one that told them 30 years ago what they would do and how it would turn out don't you? That was me raising Jakes BP to the point where his ticker quit (not my intent BTW). I do see it now as a massive investment and white elephant. I've been doing my homework and very little needs to be done to make it viable - and I wouldn't stand for another $200 Mil boondoggle. So as long as we're both being Civil, please, let me hear your take on the Skyway... Be as constructive as possible, maybe I can use some of your thoughts.

OCKLAWAHA

Well Ock, not sure what the beach location is like at all.  My place is on the westside, so I don't cross the ditch often, in fact the last time I went to jax beach was 15 years ago.  But I can speak to the Riverside, San Marco and Beach bouleavard site.  First its a unique jacksonville chain, founded by a wonderful man.  It initally started at the regency square mall at a place call Dundersmidts.  They specialize in sandwiches, very good ones I might add, a selection of soups, usually a very nice selection of draft beers, and a huge number or bottled one from all over the world.  They support Bold City brewing, at least at the riverside spot.  They have a large selections of european candies and some interesting deserts.  The live music at the san marco location is fabulous, they have a great listeneing room where you can here local and traveling artists.  The riverside site recycled an old gas station for its site.  Look it up, being the history buff you are I think you would enjoy it.

The people mover, I refuse to use the term skyway, we both know the original name, hmmmmmmmm!!!! I'm going to be nice and say my vision includes a large quantity of high explovses and a  huge block party afterwards, thats being nice.

[blizz01]

It was actually called Mr Dunderbak's (mall chain).

[civil42806]

It was actually called Mr Dunderbak's (mall chain).

I stand corrected it was a few years and a lot of beers ago