JEA Bill

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So, lets try something out, my dear intellectually mavericked fellow.

Was there a rate increase or did the rates stay the same?

Dec 2010 - 1670     Nov 2010 - 1268
Dec 2009 - 1407     Nov 2009 - 1759
Dec 2008 - 2453     Nov 2008 - 1704


In '08 I had 2 houses powered at the same time, so it's irrelevant, but for the most part everything on my end seems to be pretty normal.  Instead of me posting other months of my electric usage, why don't you show me your anomaly of an electric bill and then we can discuss this.

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.publicpower.com/electricrates.shtml

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So you do or do not know whether or not there was a rate increase?

I can't answer if there was a 'rate' increase, but it appears there was a 'usage' increase of $.015/kwh

$.1024 in '09
$.1174 in '10

So what's your point?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So, redneck, do you think the bills went up because there was a double directional increase in JEA's rates (Fuel Costs as well as Consumption) or do you think its all because of a majical across the board increase in people being irresponsible with their energy consumption?

Well, first I don't know what 'majical' means, and secondly I think that they have the right to charge more per kwh when you exceed certain thresholds.  

I used a lot more (almost double) energy in '08 as I did in '09, so if they charged me more, I deserve to pay it.  They can only project a certain amount of energy to use, and if they exceed that then they lose money.  

Maybe this concept of trying to make a profit over what's fair for everyone is why you're not running your own 'profitable' business at the moment and I have 2.

[BridgeTroll]

Even with the proposed increase, JEA's nearly 380,000 electric customers will still have the lowest residential electric rates in the state - including Miami, Orlando and Tallahassee, as well as larger cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, Houston, and New York.JEA's electric rates have not been increased in 14 years.

"Despite the rising costs of all fuels we use to generate electricity, we've been able to maintain low rates by investing in leading power-plant technologies and adopting more efficient work methods," said JEA CEO Walt Bussells. "Also, our fuel diversity allows us to maintain the lowest rates for our customers. Fuel and purchased power make up nearly 40 percent of the utility's annual budget."

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I would like to deceive myself that you cannot possibly be this stupid, and I will refrain from suggesting it.  Considering that you don't really know a damned thing about what I do your statement is at least as informed as anything else you post on.  thanks

Lets try this again.

Do you realize that the JEA is owned by the public?  so?

Do you realize that its not a for profit business?  Its not supposed to make a billion dollar profit. yes.  not for profit means that you don't show a return at the end of the year, it doesn't mean that you don't make money.  If I'm not mistaken, you find a way to re-invest all of those profits in order to show equality in earnings and spending.

Or are you just posting without having bothered with any of the easily available facts?  Like whether or not there was a rate increase? fact is that I don't care.  I pay a certain amount every month.   Some months it's more, some less.  It's not up to me what JEA charges me to live the lifestyle that I choose.  Maybe if you could understand that it costs more to live better, then you wouldn't be so uptight all the time.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So you don't really know or care whether or not there was a rate hike, but you are going to explain to everyone why their bills came in higher.

And you are under the impression that living well means living profligately, but dispense the advice that frugality is the key to dealing with energy costs?

And finally, Yes.  You are mistaken about what a publicly chartered non profit is supposed to do, specifically JEA.  It is your company, and it is up to you what you are charged for the product that your company produces.  Did Johnny not get this in his American Civics class?  Or were you too busy dreaming about the eventual lawn care service career?

Well at least you are cheerily honest about the fact that you literally have no idea what you are talking about but are willing to expound at length anyways.

So, um.....how 'bout them Dawgs! man?

I've asked this question repeatedly to those of you who care to think that JEA is run by crooks, but I still haven't received an answer, just more question.  Doe that mean that you don't know the fair rate for electrictiy?

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.publicpower.com/electricrates.shtml

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

http://www.publicpower.com/electricrates.shtml

Stop boring SD with facts and public acknowledgement.  He wants to hear about criminal activity and salacious behaviours.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Wouldnt you be happier, and less uptight if you stuck to like.....football?  I can tell you that youd sound a damn site more informed. I'd like to know your thoughts on football before you blanket me with the statement that you'd think I was 'more informed.'  WTF do you know of my football knowledge compared to my public utility knowledge, other than the inability to answer a question with an 'actual answer?"

A public owned utility should have the literal lowest prices across the board on the market. compared to a privately owned public-service-utility?.

We clearly have enough room to pay back a billion dollars that was dragooned for internal acquisitions and investments, and undoubtedly enough to shave the profits tossed to bondholders by a percentage point or two.  where are those facts that you keep bugging tfsu and myself for?

Is there any other thunderously obvious issue youd like to clarify?  Or were you just hoping to get a trivia answer in a subject that youve already announced that you simply don't care about? I just want an anwer.

So you don't have an answer, just a long drawn-out, i don't have a clue.

[tufsu1]

here let me help you Stephen....yes, JEA increased rates in 2010

BUT...say it isn't that cold in January or February and I actually use significantly less power than last year....what happens if my bill goes down....did JEA magically lower rates?

Bottom line....the majority of the increase in people's bills for December 2010 is attributable to higher energy usage. 

[ChriswUfGator]

yes, JEA increased rates

Well thank you for finally answering the simple question. Wasn't that easy?

what happens if my bill goes down....did JEA magically lower rates?

Well JEA has raised rates, fees, and fuel surcharges for 6 years running, so you likely won't ever have to answer that.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

All of the information youve asked for has already been provided in the links on this thread.  If you are too lazy or incapable of looking up the facts yourself, then if you ask nicely Im sure one of them will find them for you.

Hey there, quitter, I've only asked you to answer one question for me.....

« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2011, 04:08:34 PM »
Since both you and Stephen think that JEA is ripping everyone off, my question to you both is, "What is a fair price for electricity?"

You on the other hand have asked people to do the research for you....

« Last Edit: January 06, 2011, 05:45:04 PM by stephendare »

Citation please.

or....

« Reply #63 on: January 06, 2011, 09:56:14 PM »
great lets see it

But have failed to anwer a question posed to you earlier in the thread.  Where's your sense if decency?

[Miss Fixit]

JEA has been forced to increase what it charges for water and electricity during the past few years because of its tremendous debt per customer.  The higher than normal debt caused its bond rating to fall,  which meant JEA had to pay higher interest rates on new bond issues.  

This was the result of poor management over many years, not a recent decision to reward bondholders at the expense of customers.  JEA doesn't have a choice:  it has to borrow money to pay capital expenses and the market dictates rates paid on its bonds.

Our recent higher electric bills are caused by BOTH rate increases and historically low temperatures.

[ChriswUfGator]

Yeah, except they do this year after year. After year. After year. When you compound it and calculate out what they've really done with enacting these rate hikes every year for 5 or 6 years running, you could be using less than half of what you used to use and your bill would STILL be higher.