Why is the I95/Butler interchange getting any priority???

Started by middleman, January 02, 2011, 09:25:38 PM

middleman

Now that the Big I is completed, the biggest traffic problem in town is the I95/Butler interchange (ok, maybe its 295/Blanding). Even though I95 north of Butler has been expanded to better handle the backed-up traffic there, its an incredible mess. I've looked at the JTA website and it looks like its still under design with no funding available for right-of-way or construction! By the looks of the website, an alternate hasn't even been selected yet (but maybe soon). Does anybody know what the holdup is? Why have other projects like 9B, the I95/9A flyover, the Overland Bridge project, etc. managed to get their funding and are under construction or moving ahead, when this incredible cluster**** still waits in limbo???

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

tufsu1

The project is a major priority of the North Florida TPO....but it will take some time to collect over $100 million....plus, as you noted, the recent improvements buy some time.

btw....the Overland Bridge project is considered maintenance...so it is funded from a different pot than capacioty projects.

Jason

Imagine a scenario where the overland bridge replacement coincides with a JTB/I95 rebuild...  MADNESS!!!  They'll likely finish one before starting the other.

Ocklawaha

Speed up the 6 lane widening on Philips, and open Commuter Rail AND BRT park and rides from AVENUES, SUNBEAM, BAY MEADOWS, into SAN MARCO and DOWNTOWN. While it won't fix the several year headache of I-95 rebuilding, it would give people a choice.

They still desperately need to get bicycle-pedestrian lanes along JTB between Southpointe and the FEC RY tracks west of Philips. We should all push for this as a minimum, take it on to Town Center and a north-south bikeway along the Julington-Pottsburg Creek alignments, as a coups d'état.


OCKLAWAHA

uptowngirl

JTB at Gate Pkwy is a nightmare also, as is getting over to the I-95 North exit from JTB....There is too much traffic and lights for a merge on/off lane. Who is planning this stuff????!!!!

spuwho

Quote from: Jason on January 03, 2011, 10:11:54 AM
Imagine a scenario where the overland bridge replacement coincides with a JTB/I95 rebuild...  MADNESS!!!  They'll likely finish one before starting the other.

Actually the next segment for rebuild is south of the Overland to I-295 after 2014-5. That is one of the reasons JTA is looking at the I-95/JTB situation now to line up the funds so that it can be built as part of that redux.

So while it would be madness in that area when that happens, it actually will save JTA a lot of money by having it done essentially at the same time.

Pretty, no.  Essential, yes.

Jason

So you're saying that I95 will be resurfaced between the overland bridge down to I295?  Will they be adding lanes?

thelakelander

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middleman

Quote from: spuwho on January 03, 2011, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: Jason on January 03, 2011, 10:11:54 AM
Imagine a scenario where the overland bridge replacement coincides with a JTB/I95 rebuild...  MADNESS!!!  They'll likely finish one before starting the other.

Actually the next segment for rebuild is south of the Overland to I-295 after 2014-5. That is one of the reasons JTA is looking at the I-95/JTB situation now to line up the funds so that it can be built as part of that redux.

So while it would be madness in that area when that happens, it actually will save JTA a lot of money by having it done essentially at the same time.

Pretty, no.  Essential, yes.

If you look at the plans, the I-95/JTB interchange shouldn't affect I-95 traffic too much, although delays on JTB will surely back up on I-95 southbound, but the new exit lanes will help that situation a lot. The I-95 repaving looks like its split into two or maybe more separate projects, probably so they all don't need to be funded all at once, but if those projects get serialized, we may be looking at years of construction. I'd prefer that they do them all in parallel along with the Overland bridge project and the JTB interchange and get them all over with.

And I agree that a BRT or Commuter Rail option would help a lot. But what are the chances that's going to be implemented in the next decade???
The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

Ocklawaha

Quote from: middleman on January 04, 2011, 09:14:12 PM
And I agree that a BRT or Commuter Rail option would help a lot. But what are the chances that's going to be implemented in the next decade???

To borrow a line from a very Pretty Woman, "BIG, HUGE!"  Just yesterday a vote went sailing through a committee at City Hall without ANY opposed, that sets up funding for many such projects in our future. Check out the 2030 mobility plan story, and the formula for new development. It will:

Encourage Infill
Fund Mass Transit
Fund Other Infrastructure
Level the playing field in assessing fees on developments
Reward development closer to the Urban Core

We are on the cusp of a new era in Jacksonville, it's written in the stars!

The second in a series of eclipses that began with the lunar eclipse at the Winter Solstice occurred this morning at around 4 am Eastern time.   This eclipse, a solar eclipse at the New Moon in Capricorn on January 4th, features a lineup of four planets in Capricorn including not only the Sun and Moon, but also Pluto and Mars.

Because the New Moon is the beginning of the lunar cycle, and because this New Moon contains the North Node which represents our future direction and Pluto creates endings that assist us in transformation, there is a sense here of propulsion into a new framework (Capricorn) that will help to support our lives and provide us with a stronger foundation than we have had before.




OCKLAWAHA
  ;D

mtraininjax

middleman, I travel this interchange as our business is on Salisbury, and with the new construction traffic is a joke, no big deal. I-295 to US17 is more of a daily issue than JTB/Butler.
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middleman

I see the interchange at 5pm from southbound I-95. Cars are typically backed up in the new exit lanes all the way to Bowden causing slow-downs on I-95 all the way to Emerson and beyond. Cars trying to go eastbound on Butler sometimes have to wait 15 minutes or more to get through those lights. No big deal??? Seriously?
The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

tufsu1

Quote from: middleman on January 06, 2011, 08:59:36 AM
I see the interchange at 5pm from southbound I-95. Cars are typically backed up in the new exit lanes all the way to Bowden

which is precisely why the extra lane was built connecting the two interchanges....the backups now have a much smaller effect on I-95 through traffic than they used to

CS Foltz

Maybe its just me, but I would think that an elevated flyover would have made more sense? A light to control traffic onto JTB just slows things down to where there is a backup onto 95 South bound! This is efficient.......cheaper maybe but efficient..........not really sure about that!

tufsu1

and that is the long-term plan...but it requires something like $100 million....this project was done for about $15 million.