Abel Harding's 2011 Plan For Downtown

[north miami]

There is a new bill being circulated that expands land ownership over water, which could potentially further limit waterway access (even if you are floating in the river).

No more kayaking under the Hyatt.

The chances of getting caught under there due to aggressive incoming tide event is real,yes?

If those waters are privately owned/ fee simple then Hyatt holds the right.If those waters are entirely held in lease granted by the Trustees,Hyatt holds the right.

Luckily most waters are in fact public,there are some sections leased ....from us,the Public.The docks at Harbor Town at Atlantic Blvd float  over private bottom lands which were created....you buy one of those docks and you own it  and the land,fee simple.The docks at Ortega Landing float over leased bottom,original navigable waters of the state.Previous offerings of docks for sale precluded owning the land....the bottom.

in regards to fishing from shore restrictions, vessel access,floating over public bottom still affords opportunity,access....and any other proposal is itching for a fight,and statewide headlines.

if the Hyatt becomes off limits due to legitimate bottom ownership aspects,so be it,no cause for broad alarm.

[north miami]

There is a new bill being circulated that expands land ownership over water, which could potentially further limit waterway access (even if you are floating in the river).

local or state??  Submerged lands lease??    ultimately a state matter/Trustees/State Constitution

Navigable waters are public.       
Public Trust Doctrine. Upheld. Come to think of it,we are past due another attempt.....current political environment ripe for attempted Raid......will the stage shift to NE Florida?

HB 1103.  Titusville sponsor.

[north miami]

Although seemingly off FIND thread,all of this is connected.......

HB 1103,ridiculous as it is,and unlikely to be implemented,would likely cause little limitation to current Downtown Float access over public waters.

We as River Advocates must look in the mirror and wonder why the Sovereign scheme re- emerges.

Elsewhere throughout the state,according to certain wetland belt,water body features there would be harmful new limitations to historical access.Some boat,hunt,fish,recreation interests are predictably up in arms,a sordid repeat of history.
(After all,Rodman Pool/ Ocklawaha restoration advocates are effectively cast  in the suicidal narrative as "Extremist")
These interests should finally learn to not vote the despoilers in to office nor allow an unchecked Despoiler Narrative.

[north miami]

Although seemingly off FIND thread,all of this is connected.......

HB 1103,ridiculous as it is,and unlikely to be implemented,would likely cause little limitation to current Downtown Float access over public waters.

We as River Advocates must look in the mirror and wonder why the Sovereign scheme re- emerges.

Elsewhere throughout the state,according to certain wetland belt,water body features there would be harmful new limitations to historical access.Some boat,hunt,fish,recreation interests are predictably up in arms,a sordid repeat of history.
(After all,Rodman Pool/ Ocklawaha restoration advocates are effectively cast  in the suicidal narrative as "Extremist")
These interests should finally learn to not vote the despoilers in to office nor allow an unchecked Despoiler Narrative.

[Noone]

Time is running out on this cycle for FIND project submissions.

At the 2/14/12 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting during Public comments my hat is off to Tom Ingram for speaking up about his concern for the $1,000,000 zoo dredge that may only have a 5 year life to it. He expressed the same concern at the special Waterways FIND subcommittee meeting for canoe and kayak launches. At that meeting he brought up the same concern about the zoo dredge. The $1,000,000 could go a long way on some smaller projects. He too was making one last plea. Who wants to wait another year?

The Arlington River dredge was scratched from the list. That was Redman's baby and he hasn't said one word about it. This months meeting with FIND is in south Florida. Still don't have a sponsor (city council member) for Duval county. What is exciting is the resurrection of 2009-442 and the Artificial Reef Trust Fund and imagine an artificial reef in the river south of the Fuller Warren. Very exciting. Will keep you all posted.

[Know Growth]

Jacksonville Waterways Commission/ Carter Bryan Ortega River entrance dredge,Navigation Marker shuffle was a real hoot too.

Why in fact do we really need a Waterways Commission?

[Noone]

So what is making the list? Ask Redman.

[Noone]

Does anyone know what is on the 2012 list?
Ask Redman. He is the chair of Waterways.
It will have you shaking your head and saying WTF

W- Wheres

T- The

F- Food Truck?

[Noone]

Does anyone know what are the FIND projects are for this year? Waterways meeting in 3 days. Hey! Its only our taxes.

[Noone]

Special Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting on a resolution pending before the Jax city council on FIND projects today at 5 in council chambers.

Jacksonville is so Lost.

[Noone]

Right now if any council district has a dredging project or is interested in a small craft launch for canoes or kayaks for  their district constituents now is the time to speak up. 

A year later. The total absolute destruction of the Public Trust. Complete manipulation of ad volorem property tax revenue for self serving personal gain and the conspiracy to defraud the Public. Only in Duval county. Visit Jacksonville.

So who's going to this dog and pony show Monday at 9:30 for a Jacksonville Waterways FIND Committee meetings on FIND projects that nobody had an opportunity to participate in? Who should be immediately fired? All you have to do is pull the tape from the 11/14/12 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting. What a statewide joke. Picking the winners and losers. Mostly the losers. We are so LOST. Will anyone from the media be there?

Lets remember that as a result of last years disaster we passed 2012-402.

[Spence]

Anything  known about a kayak launch off Gay Ave in St.Nicholas?

I receive a noticeable bit of correspondence regarding a launch onto the Ortega/("Cedar?") River from the Roosevelt Square area as well. (South of Wabash Ave/Birkenhead, East of US17, near the bookmine, south of old Pier 17/ now sailors exchange)
Also, IF I were to donate a waterfront lot across from Bayview elementary on Lake Shore Boulevard, how could I "fast track" this so to speak?

Granted
Lake Marco, pottsburgh, old St.Lukes are key priority launch points for kayakers onto a Jax paddlers blueway.

But when you have time to read and respond, "Noone",
please know that I would very highly value any information toward adding attractions to both St.Nicolas AND Lakeshore.

I have considered purchasing three waterfront lots in the 1700 block of Lakeshore Blvd for this purpose, but feel that east of Blanding may be a better starting point for that area.

I appreciate any ideas and thoughts you may have in mind.

[thelakelander]

Has anyone here ever kayaked in McCoys Creek east of the Park Street viaduct?  From aerials, it appears it may be possible, at least to Cash Building Materials near North Riverside.  When the creek was channelized in 1930, it was dredged and widened to allow for small barges to transport goods to and from various industries in the vicinity.  Is the waterway to contaminated for consideration of recreational use?

[Noone]

Spence, Lake, in two days at 9:30 4th floor city hall is the secret make up meeting for the latest round of FIND projects that there was never a Public notice for. Spence, in your case about purchasing a piece of land is a whole other animal. This new DIA will have a say in that if you are in the new zone. lakeshore is out of the zone. As for donating the land I'd show up at this meeting and tell your story. I've been telling them that we have a pier just sitting there for 10 years and you can see the Progress that's been made with that. There are 12 projects on the list that nobody knew about.

Right now the entire city should be concerned about a noticed meeting sent out Wend. Before Thanksgiving and First thing Monday morning is this FIND meeting. Not good. Will this meeting be empty or packed?

Who will be getting a million dollar payday for Palms Fish Camp and they never even opened the door?

I'm also interested in the Artificial Reef project in the River south of the Fuller Warren that was just waiting on one letter to keep that moving forward. An update on that should be addressed at this meeting. HUGE meeting. Will anyone from the DIA attend this meeting? The DIA will now be fighting aggressively for this potential funding source especially in a cash strapped Northbank CRA.

Anyone going?

[Ocklawaha]

Time is running out on this cycle for FIND project submissions.

At the 2/14/12 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting during Public comments my hat is off to Tom Ingram for speaking up about his concern for the $1,000,000 zoo dredge that may only have a 5 year life to it. He expressed the same concern at the special Waterways FIND subcommittee meeting for canoe and kayak launches. At that meeting he brought up the same concern about the zoo dredge. The $1,000,000 could go a long way on some smaller projects. He too was making one last plea. Who wants to wait another year?

The Arlington River dredge was scratched from the list. That was Redman's baby and he hasn't said one word about it. This months meeting with FIND is in south Florida. Still don't have a sponsor (city council member) for Duval county. What is exciting is the resurrection of 2009-442 and the Artificial Reef Trust Fund and imagine an artificial reef in the river south of the Fuller Warren. Very exciting. Will keep you all posted.

I make a motion that we gather up all of the PCT Buses and 'volunteer' them for reef duty!

What's with the zoo dredge? Was this a project to channel from the zoo pier to deep water? I actually like the idea but I don't know how you'd keep it clear as most of the Trout River is mud flats only a foot or two deep.

Do we have a Kayak launch on the Trout up on US-1 around Dinsmore? As you know I'm not a big fan of the factory manufactured commercial kayak launch, when a  load of sand along one of our 60+ Creeks would do the trick.  I prefer to put in along tiny waterways where power boats don't or rarely go.

A launch on Dunn's Creek at New Berlin Road and or Dunn's Creek Road would be cool too.

Otherwise, there are several other places in Lori Boyer's district that would use a natural launch, we could scout out several others ranging from the upper McGirts Creek in Argyle to Pottsburg as far up as US-1. Got a chain saw? Will explore.