another house lost to fire
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154039&catid=3
I hope it wasn't arson. According to the news report it apparently had a new owner. Has anyone seen any work done on it. (besides the fire)
was walking my dog over in that area--must walked right by the place less than 10 minutes before the fire started. it's a deitycursed shame.
I could see the flames from my office in the BofA Tower. It looked pretty intense. Glad no one was hurt.
Dusty isn't out of jail is she
http://xproductionz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=195
We were walking on Main Street near 8th when the fire started, at about 6:30. Truly incredible - within minutes the entire house was engulfed; imagine a house sized ball of flames. By 7:00 it had burned to the ground.
That house was in complete shambles and was a stack of firewood waiting to be burned. That is not to say I am not saddened by a loss of a historic home. It was the house I pictured in ken kesey's sometimes a great notion.
I believe this house had been totally gutted so no plaster and such to slow down the flames. No ceilings to stop the upward rush of the fire. It really isn't being dry that makes it burn well, it is the resins. The resins you still smell when you cut a 150 year old piece of it.
As fast as this went up, it does seem like it had help. Hopefully, it wasn't arson as I hate to think of another Dusty out and about. edit: Just read where the fire department officials do indeed suspect arson.
That house looked much worse than it really was. It seemed to be pretty decent structurally and so was most likely very salvageable. Having old houses on the commercial cooridor on 8th is a positive so this is a bad loss to the community.
I could see smoke from Philips highway around 630-ish. I went to the University Club for dinner at 7, but could no longer see smoke. Must have been quite the blaze.
It appears that an investigation is under way. I spotted several police officers, fire fighters and city officials discussing and pointing next to the rubble this morning.
Strider's comments help explain why this house burned so quickly. Based on what I saw, arson is most likely a factor.
And I agree that, although the house looked bad, it is a big loss both due to location and potential for restoration.
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Wow. Nice photo!
My office was located next door a few years ago and once, we were in the back office, next to that house and a car drove through the house. The guy jumped out and went running down the alley with the police chasing him. But it survived that and now this! That poor house!
Quote from: aubureck on March 31, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
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Amazing picture.
No FD in sight...very interesting.
QuoteWitnesses said it took only 30 minutes for the whole house to burn and that it was almost completely destroyed by the time firefighters arrived.
I wonder what took Station 2 so long to respond? They are right down the road. No. 9 is also close by. To catch a house fire like that on camera with no FD in sight is pretty rare.
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Quote from: thebrokenforum on March 31, 2010, 02:03:12 PM
No FD in sight...very interesting.
QuoteWitnesses said it took only 30 minutes for the whole house to burn and that it was almost completely destroyed by the time firefighters arrived.
I wonder what took Station 2 so long to respond? They are right down the road. No. 9 is also close by. To catch a house fire like that on camera with no FD in sight is pretty rare.
QuoteWitnesses said it took only 30 minutes for the whole house to burn and that it was almost completely destroyed by the time firefighters arrived.
I wonder what took Station 2 so long to respond? They are right down the road. No. 9 is also close by. To catch a house fire like that on camera with no FD in sight is pretty rare.
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JFRD showed up very quick. But the fire spread within minutes. Luckily this house had no direct neighbors. You see kind of in the back how the fire already spread a bit in the brush.
We were at the corner of Main and 8th at about 6:20 when we first saw the smoke. At the same time, the first of several fire department vehicles turned onto 8th from Main. I don't recall which stations they were from, but they were at the scene within minutes. We walked down 8th towards the fire and did notice one thing we thought was odd - it took a long time before hoses were hooked up to the hydrant and the hydrant was turned on.
They probably just let it burn figuring that it was empty and not worth the risk of an aggressive attack - or beyond salvaging.
I was just curious because they are usually super quick and if there's a half-decent fire in town you can bet that everyone is racing each other to get a piece of it.
I asked because I was wondering if maybe it was one of those occurrences where the closest engine (the deuce) was on another call and backup hadn't arrived yet.
Anyway, great pic. Like I said, rare to see a house fire like that without a single engine on scene.
Ditto here...that pic is amazing.
The photo is amazing, the only thing missing was feeling the heat. As for the Deuce, I was just coming out of Uptown when I too saw that huge plume of black smoke and just then the Deuce came screaming by, coming from further down Main....so it wasn't in it's station when it got the call.
News tonight said it was purposely set. Very scary to see it go so fast.
Here are a few photos of the aftermath.
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Wow
It looks like there not even much that could be salvaged
what a shame
Is there a single house standing on the south side of 8th Street from Main to SHANDS?
sheclown.....I really don't think so but next time I go through your world I will look! Arson is the most likely cause but I would still have to ask " What happened to the duece"? That is right down the road from station 2 and responce time should have been minimal? When I was in the Coast Guard, we took great pride in launching within 2 minutes of notification............I think I still hold the record for Coast Guard Station Santa Rosa....34 seconds from time of notification! Just happened to be stowing spare gear on 41322 and away we went!
Quote from: sheclown on March 31, 2010, 08:04:43 PM
Is there a single house standing on the south side of 8th Street from Main to SHANDS?
I know of at least one, on the sw corner of 8th and Silver, it faces silver however.
Okay Jason.........thats one, anymore?
Quote from: CS Foltz on March 31, 2010, 08:28:07 PM
Okay Jason.........thats one, anymore?
Don't think so. Since I've been here the only other house on the south side of 8th that I can remember being demolished was unfortunately the sister house to this one that just burned. Commercial buildings is a different subject...
Commercial Bldg's don't count unless they are Historic in nature! Homes are what matters to me!
Quote from: CS Foltz on March 31, 2010, 08:42:36 PM
Commercial Bldg's don't count unless they are Historic in nature! Homes are what matters to me!
Cool.
Commercial buildings do count. We had some fine brick buildings that lost their lives to wrecking balls. Some of these old buildings still have their tin ceilings.
Quote from: CS Foltz on March 31, 2010, 08:42:36 PM
Commercial Bldg's don't count unless they are Historic in nature! Homes are what matters to me!
Like I posted sheclown if they are "Historic" each and everyone should be saved if at all possible, but that is just me! They can not make them like that anymore, not cost effective,not are many willing to use those kinds of building techniques nowdays!
Quote from: CS Foltz on March 31, 2010, 08:19:47 PM
sheclown.....I really don't think so but next time I go through your world I will look! Arson is the most likely cause but I would still have to ask " What happened to the duece"? That is right down the road from station 2 and responce time should have been minimal? When I was in the Coast Guard, we took great pride in launching within 2 minutes of notification............I think I still hold the record for Coast Guard Station Santa Rosa....34 seconds from time of notification! Just happened to be stowing spare gear on 41322 and away we went!
I love the old 41ft UTB's I served on 41457 and 41409. I also served on 44377. Yep I remember running to the boat 90 miles an hour with our hair on fire
I also had 40337 without the added overhead roof (really created a sail and a half) Had the original 3 paned spray shield and no radar! Went through heavy weather school in Astoria, Oregon on the unsinkables and learned howto on the 41's.............loved those things and would take them anywhere! Just had to watch out for following sea's because of the low transom's........heck I even got to work the 31's! When I went through boot camp learned how to man a sweep....geez those were the days big guy!
Yeah I thought I remember 41322 we borrowed her from P-cola while Destins 41 was in the yards.
40 footer your old guard buddy. Looks like we sailed some of the same waters. glad to meet you brother.
FYI
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Stationed,
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Stationed
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U.S Coast Guard Cutter chincotuege
U.S Coast Guard Cutter cushing
U.S Coast Guard Cutter Point Barnes
Search and Rescue Station Mobile Al
U.S Coast Guard Cutter Couragues
U.S Coast Guard Cutter Maria Bray
U.S Coast Guard Cutter Kingfisher
Well I will be darned..............small world brother!! I don't have room for all of the places I got to visit courtesy of Uncle Sam.........ranged from RON1, insertions and extractions & SAR, Coast Guard Cutter Sebago (WMEC 42) Base Mobile, Coast Guard Cutter Point Verde, Coast Guard Cutter Blackthorn, Lormonsta Bermuda, Loranstation Upulu Pt and Station Santa Rosa...........Wheeler AFB, before it became Kadafy International and a stint in Columbia SA! Got to see the world and all it took was a little personnel time!
To see what it was, you can go to http://www.vpike.com/?place=240+w+8th+st+jackosnville+fl
Rotate the field until you are looking south, as this program finds the closest address, which is 235. (If you know the correct address, use that.)
Since this street view was made some time ago, you can see what sort of shape the house was in. It had been like that for several years: No plaster and numerous clapboards removed, so you could see through the whole structure to the other side.
Another shame.
Coast Guard Cutter Blackthorn !! What year
That it was............I was not on board when she went down in Tampa Bay, was on the Axe TAD. Like being ridden on a rail out of town.............interesting once! Glad I did it, but not any more.....time for the next generation to step up. I trained the "Plank Crew" for Sta Destin when I was at Sta Santa Rosa. We had 191776 there, ex-presidential security boat....had twin 350's in it and that sucker would haul butt!! We used it for drug interdiction and rapid responce......USCG does not do things like in the days of old.....oh well, the wheel turns! One of these days we will have to get together at Three Layers on a Tuesday night.....1830 till 2130 or there abouts?
I sailed on 191776 as well They got rid of her 2 months after I reported to Destin Do you know Barry White or Tim Layerd. BTW my room mate during MLE school was on the Blackthorn when she sank but I cant recall his name
Very small world big guy................we will get together at some future point! Semper Paratus!
You have to go out but you dont have to come back
Jason, back to the sister house, if you mean the one next door, it burned as well a few years ago. Arson was also suspected in that one. A neighbor I know was very much afraid for her own home because that one was right next to the alley her house backs up to.
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on April 01, 2010, 04:17:40 PM
Jason, back to the sister house, if you mean the one next door, it burned as well a few years ago. Arson was also suspected in that one. A neighbor I know was very much afraid for her own home because that one was right next to the alley her house backs up to.
That's the one I meant, I forgot it was fire. Thanks for the correction.
If I remember right, there are now only two (or is it three?) historic houses left facing 8th street from Main to Shands. A duplex, the big one with the unigue double round porches and I think maybe one that has a store front built on the front. Did I miss any? There may only be one or two left from Main to the East as well.
One thing I personally believe helps make a historic commercial corridor cool is the older houses used for retail and such. We are losing them rapidly. On main years ago and now more recently 8th and even the side streets off of Main that are still zoned commercial.
Quote from: aubureck on March 31, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
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PRETTY!!!
samiam....sorry, but neither of those two names ring any bells with me! Lost a good friend on the Blackthorn, he and I were on the A/N team out of Mobile.......that was back when Base Mobile was at Choctaw Point before it moved to the sea terminal at Brookly Field. Choctaw Point became Corp of Engineers base, I don't even know if it still operational, this place was just north of the Fire and Test Facility, west side of the Bay! That may not even be there anymore either...........two or three hurricanes ago, no telling
It's pretty in a frightening/startling kind of way. Fire in of itself is really fascinating, and very interesting to watch as it grows and consumes. Still, it's horrific when it destroys
And yet another one on east 7th this morning.
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I thought I heard fire trucks early this morning :'(
Wow, I must've slept right through it.. That house burned some a few months ago. It was just the back half though.. That makes like 4 fires just on that corner in the last 2 years...
it do indeed, soxfan. i can't be the only one who thinks it smells like a three-day trout.
Those houses are owned by the same man....and from what I've been told...his wife is the one who collects the rent and has a male friend...and somehow it seems when there's a riff between the two of them, a house burns. Most times these fires have been started in the front porch area. Don't know how true it is, but...
Soxfan....I was wondering where you were...although I saw it at 4ish this morning when I was letting the dog out. To be honest, I didn't hear the sirens, just noticed the red flashing lights and walked down. All occupants, including the animals all got out okay.
Glad no one got hurt.. I had a late night at BG after kickball last night, probably why I didn't wake up.. If the connection to the fighting is true, I'm sure the investigators will figure that out. If it's true, why wouldn't the residents tell the cops??
What is the address?
Quote from: KuroiKetsunoHana on April 02, 2010, 05:29:58 PM
it do indeed, soxfan. i can't be the only one who thinks it smells like a three-day trout.
Yes seems kind of fishy to me to
Quote from: sheclownWhat is the address?
I believe it's 451 E. 7th. It's owned by Thomas Russell, and the one that was on the corner (burned and taken down) was also owned by him.
Quote from: Springfielder on April 02, 2010, 06:08:38 PM
Most times these fires have been started in the front porch area.
Flaming bag of poo gone awry?
What is causing these fires?
it can only be attributable to human error. this sort ov thing has popped up before, and it has always been due to human error.
anything built and designed by humans has error and faults in it, thats to vage :P
wiring?
someone had a space heater on?
specially does anyone know what went wrong?
This fire wasn't human error, whether or not the authorities will end up making an arrest or not (and arson is extremely difficult to make arrests and convict) this was not an error by no means.
Hey Sprigfielder, I went by this house yesterday to get a look. This is not the same house that burned a couple of months ago. This is the one on the corner. This house was being used as a rooming house. There was always a bunch of people hanging around on the porch.. That means that all 3 buildings on that corner have burned in the last 2 years.. There was a fire across the street about 3-4 months ago that burned another occupied home and touched the vacant one next to it.. The rescue truck was going to this building regularly also.. Definitely smelling fishy over there...
That's exactly what I'm talking about...and I've heard that it was drug related, and somehow the owners wife's boyfriend is involved in this...but of course, that's just hearsay from some neighbors
The neighbors usually know what's going on..
apologies for my smarmy vagueness, brought on partly by having recently watched 2001: a space odyssey. by 'human error' i mean 'arson'.
yesterday must have been demolishing day on the far east side of Springfield, one one the corner of Ionia and 7th and the other at the corner of Ionia and 4th, I believe.
so the other one wasn't on 6th as someone said, but on 7th? Was this the one that burned last week?
it was one that had burned, big two story.
Yeah, I went by today and that's the one....don't know why it came down though, it could have been repaired. This is happening way too much.
Quote from: Springfielder on April 08, 2010, 02:24:00 PM
Yeah, I went by today and that's the one....don't know why it came down though, it could have been repaired. This is happening way too much.
I wonder where SPAR was when two more demolitions of contributing structures were taking place?
How much time and effort got spent on that retarded car wash appeal?
(and yes, SPARbarians, we know the drill, so you can skip the standard "it wasn't
officially SPAR..." lecture)
Nicole started a great thread at myspringfield.org with pics of the lost homes of Springfield:
http://myspringfield.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=2557#p2557
Kids.............if the SPAR Council spent half of the effort trying to save some of the Historic Homes that they have trying to shoot Mr Silas and his Car Wash down.............some of those might have been saved! They keep forgetting just what their name and mandate is..............silly people!