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Now he just needs to STFU.
Crist should mind his own business. Knowing what kind of politician he is, I'm sure this is a patronizing attempt to gain votes in NE Florida by saying what he thinks people in the area want to hear.
No he is right, Tebow will boost ticket sales from loyal gator fans.
Id go to the Jag games to watch Tebow rather then watch them at home.
So would ALOT of other gator fans.
(not a fan of Charlie btw)
It would, at first, but he is likely not going to be a starter, especially as a QB, if that is the route he goes in the Combine.
That said, if he does and they still lose, people will stop attending and we'll be right back to where we are now. It would be a tremendous waste of a pick. His style od play will get him on the IR list in one game.
Charlie needs to focus on the state right now and his possible Senate future, not the Jaguars wasting a draft pick.
Good heavens! :-X
just further proof that Crist is an idiot...and since he's hoping to run off to D.C. this time nex year, why would he care?
Quote from: Sportmotor on December 07, 2009, 08:52:24 PM
No he is right, Tebow will boost ticket sales from loyal gator fans.
Id go to the Jag games to watch Tebow rather then watch them at home.
So would ALOT of other gator fans.
so Gator fans will come out for Tebow...but not for Fred Taylor, Reggie Nelson, and Derrick Harvey?
An NFL franchise can't live on Gator fans alone. If so, Gainesville would have a team. Wasting draft picks will only continue to result in blackouts and a rapid move to LA.
tufsu1 and Lakelander: very good points
Drafting certain players for the sake of selling tickets is a gimmick that never works. That would be a foolish thing to do; not to mention it would go against everything Gene Smith has stood for in his tenure as our GM.
Good thing we didn't nab that Gator Percy Harvin in last years draft. ;)
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 07, 2009, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: Sportmotor on December 07, 2009, 08:52:24 PM
No he is right, Tebow will boost ticket sales from loyal gator fans.
Id go to the Jag games to watch Tebow rather then watch them at home.
So would ALOT of other gator fans.
so Gator fans will come out for Tebow...but not for Fred Taylor, Reggie Nelson, and Derrick Harvey?
cant speak for everyone but I can speak for me! Correct.
QuoteAn NFL franchise can't live on Gator fans alone.
- True, but I remember in the mid '90s when the Bucs were still woeful, they made a concentrated effort to draft & obtain high profile players from within the state of Florida. A couple that come to mind: Eric Rhett, Reidel Anthonthy, Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, Warrick Dunn, etc. They didn't try to hide their intentions, either as the mindset was that it made good business sense. I do not, however, consider Derrick Harvey a high profile player (even when at Florida it seemed like the National Championship game was his "one game" ticket to the first round). Players like Percy Harvin are in a class of their own .
All I'm saying is unless he is a part of a plan that actually helps win the team games, don't draft him under the belief that he will sell tickets. To be fair, most of those guys were pretty highly rated at their positions coming out of school. How high is Tebow rated as being an NFL quarterback? In other words, they were not drafted as gimmicks.
Would fans buy tickets to watch Tebow and the Jaguars lose? No.
QuoteWould fans buy tickets to watch Tebow and the Jaguars lose?
No - they would not. Albeit, not long term. They would damn sure buy them to watch him win - more than most others. My fear/scenario is that the Jags pass on him somewhere in the second round and then Team X picks him up as "a steal" & he goes on to become a marvel. Maybe that's not likely to most - however, the backlash from the fans could become compounded with what is already a bad situation if that transpires. There is a movement in Tampa Bay to grab him for the very same reasons. Of course, there may be JUST as many Jags fans that would be turned off by the pick - it's a double edged sword, but this seems to have manifested into a situation in which the organization is pigeon-holed into making a strategic decision from a business standpoint - both with dramatic ramifications, as it will be scrutinized for a long time. That said, I'd prefer that they draft McCoy or Clausen in the first round :-\.........
I don't want to waste a pick on a QB that cries on National TV over the loss of a game. The NFL is a game for men, and just as there is no crying in baseball, there is none in football either. Strap them on and hit for 60 minutes.
We don't need a QB, we need DBs and a DT to replace what we lost with Stroud. Still have not fixed that position. Harvey is beginning to make plays, same with Lewis at TE. Nelson is still embarrassing, but am hopeful he will get better. You can never have enough good linemen on either side of the ball.
The Jaguars should not even have to think about drafting one player to ensure ticket sales. The citizens and businesses of this community should support the team no matter what. This is sad we even have to talk about it. Tebow would be fun to watch, but I am not basing me decision to support to the Jags on one player! Come on Jacksonville!
I say we continue to hope for the best for our hometown kids and be done with all the nonsense.
Quote from: Sportmotor on December 07, 2009, 08:52:24 PM
No he is right, Tebow will boost ticket sales from loyal gator fans.
Id go to the Jag games to watch Tebow rather then watch them at home.
So would ALOT of other gator fans.
I hope the Jaguars won't make the pick just to appease non-fans with this sorry attitude.
Hopefully, in the near future, the stadium will be filled every game with
real fans who come to support their team, have fun with fellow fans and experience nfl football in person.
Quote from: mtraininjax on December 08, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
I don't want to waste a pick on a QB that cries on National TV over the loss of a game. The NFL is a game for men, and just as there is no crying in baseball, there is none in football either. Strap them on and hit for 60 minutes.
We don't need a QB, we need DBs and a DT to replace what we lost with Stroud. Still have not fixed that position. Harvey is beginning to make plays, same with Lewis at TE. Nelson is still embarrassing, but am hopeful he will get better. You can never have enough good linemen on either side of the ball.
There's so much criticism about Tebow crying. I'm not even a Gator fan but seeing him play, the way he plays pounding the football and constantly taking punishment... putting the game on his shoulders and even coming back in 2 weeks from being hospitalized with a concussion. I believe he's proved he's strong enough mentally and physically to play at any level. Mtrain watch any big game, bowl game â€" playoff game or Superbowl and you will see multiple players on both sides that cry.
That said I’m on the fence about Tebow. My gut feeling is that he won’t be successful as an NFL QB â€" tough or not. I’m also afraid of the backlash of fan disappointment. I see and hear so many fans at the Jags games asking for Tebow. Whether they’re right or wrong about him I think it could hurt ticket sales immediately. The pressure coming from L.A. to put a team out there as early as next season could back Weaver into a corner. I think his decision could be swayed by ticket sales following the draft and during the summer.
QuoteMtrain watch any big game, bowl game â€" playoff game or Superbowl and you will see multiple players on both sides that cry.
Maybe you can show me a few, since I don't go looking for crying players when I think about future NFL stars. Maybe show me a picture of Eugene Monroe crying at UVA, or MoJo when he was at UCLA. Better yet, why not Mark Brunell when he was at Washington after a disappointing loss.
No crying in the NFL, that is why girls don't play the game.
Quote from: mtraininjax on December 08, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
I don't want to waste a pick on a QB that cries on National TV over the loss of a game. The NFL is a game for men, and just as there is no crying in baseball, there is none in football either. Strap them on and hit for 60 minutes.
We don't need a QB, we need DBs and a DT to replace what we lost with Stroud. Still have not fixed that position. Harvey is beginning to make plays, same with Lewis at TE. Nelson is still embarrassing, but am hopeful he will get better. You can never have enough good linemen on either side of the ball.
Yeah, that crybaby Brett Favre had no place being in the NFL
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Quote from: JMac on December 08, 2009, 09:31:28 AM
I hope the Jaguars won't make the pick just to appease non-fans with this sorry attitude.
Hopefully, in the near future, the stadium will be filled every game with real fans who come to support their team, have fun with fellow fans and experience nfl football in person.
Yea becuase that is working so well. I'll keep my money to myself and spend it on other things till I have something to be excited about with the jags. ;)
You want to cry publicly, go on Oprah, write a book and sell millions for crying publicly. This is the National Football League, we have no place for crying.
Ray Lewis probably cries all the time, when he's beating the A$$ of his opponents.
^So in all of your days spent in the NFL locker room and around fellow players, you've never seen them cry?
Quote from: Sportmotor on December 08, 2009, 09:38:13 AM
[Quote from: JMac on December 08, 2009, 09:31:28 AM
I hope the Jaguars won't make the pick just to appease non-fans with this sorry attitude.
Hopefully, in the near future, the stadium will be filled every game with real fans who come to support their team, have fun with fellow fans and experience nfl football in person.
Yea becuase that is working so well. I'll keep my money to myself and spend it on other things till I have something to be excited about with the jags. ;)
The team is fighting for a playoff spot, has one of the premier running backs in the league and a bunch of rookies making big plays on both sides of the ball. If you can't get excited about that, you don't belong at the stadium.
QuoteNFL locker room and around fellow players
I don't go to NFL games to watch guys cry. Maybe you and Charlie Crist do, but not me.
^ Oh, you confused me with a "we". ;)
I don't think there's room to cry all of the time, but if the man wants to cry after every loss, and he's only losing once a year, then hey...let him cry.
Of course, there is always room in the NFL for players that go out and get drunk the night before the game, leave the stadium after a loss without any remorse at all because the checks still get cashed, right?
Mtrain, I love how you can't see the irony of your pathetic argument. How is you whining about someone crying, for nearly an hour, any different?? Get over it, nobody is going to stoop to your level and tebow-bash with you.
I think that you should line up your five best guys & go tell him personally - then, let us all know how it went.
Really, I mean really? Everyone seems to have their panties in a bunch over the crying thing. SOme make fun, others take offense to it, it's over and done with, let it go.
Quote from: JMac on December 08, 2009, 09:46:54 AM
The team is fighting for a playoff spot, has one of the premier running backs in the league and a bunch of rookies making big plays on both sides of the ball. If you can't get excited about that, you don't belong at the stadium.
They havnt played like they Want or even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Quote from: Sportmotor on December 08, 2009, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: JMac on December 08, 2009, 09:46:54 AM
The team is fighting for a playoff spot, has one of the premier running backs in the league and a bunch of rookies making big plays on both sides of the ball. If you can't get excited about that, you don't belong at the stadium.
They havnt played like they Want or even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Sport this mentallity is what's wrong in Jacksonville. The team is winning, in the 6th place in the conference and in control of a playoff birth.
There are no Charleston Southerns or division II teams in the NFL.
Complaining about a winning team is just ignorant.
Iv watched every game and expect more out of them. They are playing sloppy ball.
Don't like my oppion? Tough I'm going to have it and you are nobody to tell me its right or wrong.
Quote from: Shwaz on December 08, 2009, 11:41:42 AM
Sport this mentallity is what's wrong in Jacksonville. The team is winning, in the 6th place in the conference and in control of a playoff birth.
There are no Charleston Southerns or division II teams in the NFL.
Complaining about a winning team is just ignorant.
Yep. There is no such thing as a bad win in the NFL.
Just like my opinion of so called 'fans' that hold back support because they think a winning team isn't good enough.
Sloppy or not they are winning and that's all that matters. The talk around the league is what surprise the Jags have been. Playing meaningful games in December is exciting... and almost shocking during a rebuilding year.
I've just been browsing the league standings, and this weekend is CRUCIAL. We're 1 game ahead of 4 TEAMS in the conference. We need to blow this one open to give us some cushion going into the Colts-Pats stretch.
One thing that is upsetting is that our point differential is -48 while Houston has +11. It's due to those losses to Seattle and San Fran, but we've only had one convincing win this year (37-17 against TN)
All the wins have been against teams with losing records, which is not a promising sign, IMO.
You guys will get your reality check this Sunday and it won't involve legos. ;D
Miami is definitely a dangerous team right now. I'm hoping our strong home performance will continue this weekend... and next Thursday.
Quote from: reednavy on December 08, 2009, 12:04:22 PM
All the wins have been against teams with losing records, which is not a promising sign, IMO.
If they beat Miami and Cleveland, they will be 9-7 and still have no wins over teams with winning records. It will also be likely good enough for a wild card spot based on conference record.
Do you realize the 99 Jaguars went 14-2 with no wins over teams with winning records?
Quote from: copperfiend on December 08, 2009, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: reednavy on December 08, 2009, 12:04:22 PM
All the wins have been against teams with losing records, which is not a promising sign, IMO.
If they beat Miami and Cleveland, they will be 9-7 and still have no wins over teams with winning records. It will also be likely good enough for a wild card spot based on conference record.
Do you realize the 99 Jaguars went 14-2 with no wins over teams with winning records?
I didn't know that. Also we have only played 2 teams this season with winning records both losses.
It caught up with them when they played Tennessee and lost 33-14 at home. They set a NFL record that year by becoming the only 3 loss them to lose all 3 games to the same opponent. That's one that may last just as long as the 72' Dolphins streak.
Lake, you're really surprising me with those anti Jags comments. I'll steal a statement from earlier and say I hope the Jags get Japanese on the Dolphins on Sunday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwv7XtgiG5E
LMAO
You deserve that Lake for bringing up such painful memories.
Here's one you might remember from the same season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIbxZzWGEAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIbxZzWGEAE)
Captain, its all in fun and no ill will intended. If you can't tell, I'm a die hard Dolphin fan.
Low blow Shwaz! A horrible ending for the best QB to ever play the game. Come Sunday, its pay back time.
Lol These trips down memory lane would be even more depressing if we have no team : /
No offense intended toward the legacy of the '72 Dolphins, but while we're on the subject of beating teams with no winning records, if I remember right the Dolphins only faced one team that finished over .500 all that season and that was the 8-6 Patriots. Obviously, it didn't hurt the Dolphins come playoff time, but they were actually an underdog in that Super Bowl.
It's possible one of the Jaguars' victims from this year will still finish with a winning record...maybe the Jets because I seem to recall their closing schedule was soft.
QuoteIt's possible one of the Jaguars' victims from this year will still finish with a winning record...maybe the Jets because I seem to recall their closing schedule was soft.
... or the Dolphins ;)
I actually wouldn't mind the Dolphins or Jets' running the table (other than the Dolphins' inevitable loss to the Jaguars :)) for the pleasure of seeing the Patriots miss the postseason.
I agree with Charlie Crist. The Jags are doing okay though with Garrard. But still, Tebow would make a perfect fit. Have Tebow go to the Jaguars squad, and watch all the tarp be removed from the stands.
And then when the Jaguars lose because Tebow is a mediocre NFL QB, the tarps go back on.
MAKE IT STOP!!!!!! :(
Lake care to make it (more) interesting? Avatar bet?
I'm your Huckleberry. You're on!
Excellent.
I guess we can wait for a pic to use after the game and one that's from the game or we could just do a final scoreboard pic showing the score.
Thoughts?
Tebow might boost ticket sales if he comes to the Jaguars, but I honestly believe that he won't excel in the NFL like he did in the College ranks. There are still questions about his arm strength, accuracy, etc. He seems to be a good leader and rallier of the troops when the game is on the line, but I have yet to see him exhibit his pure passing abilities relative to arm strength and accuracy; this was exposed in the Alabama game when they took away his scrambling/running ability and the running game and Florida had to play catch up. He seemd totally like a fish out of water and uncomfortable having to throw the ball to play catch up.
Please don't get me wrong; I like Tim Tebow and wish him well. I hope he ranks high on the draft list but I doubt it. He could be a good fit for Jax; it all depends on how Del Rio fits him into the current scheme or invents a scheme for Tebow to command the offense (if he wins first string).
It'll be interesting to see how he fares in the draft, what team finally picks him, and why they pick him. I'll bet he'll only be selected for second string duties or for wild cat duties.
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the tebow rumor mill:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/08/tim-tebow-will-play-whatever-position-hes-told-to-play/
it is not just playing quarterback that he would consider playing in the NFL
We already have a QB with Tebowesque size and athletic skills who's been converted to TE in Zach Miller.
Vic Ketchman seems to be dropping a lot of hints as to potential interest in Edwards, the Appalachian State QB.
Is there a need for crying fullbacks in the Jag's locker room? He's got good size.
how about tebow running the wildcat with jones drew and sims walker with a threat to throw to holt . . . could be interesting
Quote from: thelakelander on December 08, 2009, 05:51:51 PM
Is there a need for crying fullbacks in the Jag's locker room? He's got good size.
Greg Jones has been terribly unproductive, statisticly speaking, regarding tears.
I like the guy, so I'm hoping he'll step it up seeing the Tebow threat on the horizon.
He could become, as the kids say... a real "bawler".
Tebow's trails of tears grow into streetcar rails, I'm just saying.
New NFL rumors that other teams will pass on Tebow to get him in this market. Look for him in the 3rd.
QuoteNew NFL rumors that other teams will pass on Tebow to get him in this market.
I just heard that too on the radio - they went so far as to say that he has "tarp removal" potential at the turnstiles. Also indicated that there's a percentage of folks (students included) that would travel from Gainesville to see him play here..............
Good kid... or so I've heard.
Quote from: JeffreyS on December 09, 2009, 03:32:55 PM
New NFL rumors that other teams will pass on Tebow to get him in this market. Look for him in the 3rd.
The rumor is no team will pick him before us in the 1st round... which makes total sense seeing how wouldn't be drafted in the 1st round anyways.
If he goes into the draft as a QB, WE DON'T WANT HIM! Univ. Of Florida has a notorious record of producing bad NFL QBs. Jesse Palmer and Rex Grossman to name a few.
^ Shane Matthew, Danny Wuerffel...
Kerwin Bell, Bob Hewko, Doug Johnson, Eric Kresser, John Reaves, Kay Stephenson, and none other than Steve Spurrier.
Just a hunch, but maybe that is why teams are repotedly going to pass on Tebow. You can't deny the track record, it doesn't look promising if he does stay as a QB.
Also a QB selected in the 1st round will cost tens of millions more than a WR TE or FB.
He would have good 4th to 5th round value...
Let's say you get two years of 20k extra to the stadium and keep 25% as long term fans who enjoy going to the games. And you would certainly add some TV fans throughout the region some of whom would pick the Jags as their team. Great way to grow the brand. I am predicting he comes here in the 3rd.
It will be interesting to see how Gene Smith handles it...He is a football guy and is only going to draft people who will improve the play on the field.
This will be purely a business decision - I'm convinced that Gene Smith will have a voice in every "other" pick, however, expect Wayne Weaver to reach down like the hand of God on this one........