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Title: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: stephendare on June 29, 2007, 01:18:54 PM
http://wonkette.com/politics/dept%27-of-step-right-up/iphone-lemmings-line-up-for-nsa-surveillance-273714.php
from the dept. of step right up
iPhone Lemmings Line Up For NSA Surveillance

Have you heard about the iPhone? It’s a wonderful new invention that lets the NSA illegally record all your phone calls, copy all your contacts, keep records of all your Web and IM activity, watch you through the camera, listen in on your household through the mic, and probably put you in a terrorist no-fly database for listening to Cynthia McKinney singing that stupid Pink song.

How does this expensive “miracle gadget” do so much domestic spying on you? Well, to use the iPhone you must sign up with AT&T, the telecom that has been tirelessly working with the National Security Agency’s warrantless wiretapping program, which has installed massive data-mining and recording machinery on AT&T Internet hubs in every major American city.

How does this expensive “miracle gadget” do so much domestic spying on you? Well, to use the iPhone you must sign up with AT&T, the telecom that has been tirelessly working with the National Security Agency’s warrantless wiretapping program, which has installed massive data-mining and recording machinery on AT&T Internet hubs in every major American city.

Asked why Apple would only bundle the iPhone with the AT&T/NSA total surveillance system, Steve Jobs laughed and said the company has “been investing billions of dollars in the last couple of years to create a great network.” Yes, it certainly has.

In Orwell’s future, total government surveillance was a terrible thing that was forced upon the people â€" just the kind of paranoid bullshit you’d expect from somebody like him. In reality, people literally line up all night long for the chance to be the first to pay $600 to be watched around the clock by the government.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: gatorback on August 05, 2007, 03:31:57 PM
Wow.  I'm so happy to be working with the NSA. How much are they paying these days?  Just kidding.  The device is awesome.  I'm sure there is a lot of good to come out of it.  Metrojacksonville.com looks good on it too.

Sent from my iPhone. ;D
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 04:57:50 PM
Not really.  AT&T and the government are two separate things.  For the moment.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 05:05:02 PM
But it's not the government doing the tracking.  It's at AT&T's behest, apparently to help them improve their cell tower coverage.

Tempest in a tea pot.  Jobs has nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: wsansewjs on April 21, 2011, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 21, 2011, 05:01:01 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 04:57:50 PM
Not really.  AT&T and the government are two separate things.  For the moment.


I don't think you read the original article, Jimmy.  Which was also tongue in cheek.

But I do find it funny that this was supposed to be satire 4 years ago, right when the site rightwingers were calling us crazy for being worried about surveillance, and here we are four years later, only to find out that the joke was too close for comfort.  Anyone using an apple device has been tracked, and has a tracking history since june.

Its unbelievable.

I think Jobs is going to have a real problem over this.

<sarcasm>And I hate that greedy, evil genius, turtle-neck popping head with squeaky glasses and glazing sparkling teeth, wooing Apple Fanboys to the glamorous hand of his. Even if he introduce his own poop called iPoop, his hand is the magical marketing hand that will make Apple Fanboys go blow their credits to just get it because it has a fruit logo and holy-blessed thy Steve Jobs himself.</sarcasm>

-Josh
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 05:34:18 PM
Josh, I'll have you to know that I pay cash.  /rant
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: wsansewjs on April 21, 2011, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 05:34:18 PM
Josh, I'll have you to know that I pay cash.  /rant

You good sir, I implied my sarcasm. :)

-Josh
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 05:46:37 PM
I won't tag that which comes naturally.  You shouldn't either.  ;)
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 06:05:20 PM
Wow, slow news day all over the internet. ;)
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Shwaz on April 21, 2011, 06:06:53 PM
Hmmm I wonder how far off a lot of companies are from technology like this. Take Metro Jax for instance; when navigating the forums the little flash ads up in the top of the screen always seem coincidentally (?) on point with items I have recently searched for or shopped for on the internet.

Is metrojax monitoring my p.c.'s cache to target market direct advertisements... what else are you taking from my computers memory?
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Shwaz on April 21, 2011, 06:08:49 PM
Quite the sassy winky one today aren't we penny bags? It appears your nomination for monocle wearing and shoutout in the wonkette has truly gone to your head  :D
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 06:09:15 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 21, 2011, 06:06:16 PM
yeah.  the only thing worse is slow reader day. ;)
A more often occurrence, sadly.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: AmyLynne on April 21, 2011, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 21, 2011, 08:32:50 PM
It seems to me that I remember a local case involving using a cell phone to prove that the suspect was at the scene of a crime at the time that it occured.  Perhaps it was a man who murdered girlfriend/wife....

I think it was the guy that killed his wife and buried her in jennings forest and they caught him because they tracked him by his phone when he went back to the site he dumped her.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 09:50:43 PM
Right, all of our cellphones leave that digital trail, either through GPS or through cell tower triangulation.  In most cases it's stored at the telco.  In this case, it's also stored on the phone.

Not that big of a deal unless someone steals your phone.  The telcos and the government already have access.  If someone steals your phone to track your movements, you have bigger problems.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 21, 2011, 10:59:11 PM
The first story that was posted seems like someone cloned a sim card - not really tough to do - and is just pulling some mean-spirited prank.

If the girl left her phone unattended in school, it would only take a few minutes to swipe the SIM, copy it and plug into a no-frills,throwaway phone.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Jimmy on April 21, 2011, 11:04:45 PM
It's a little more involved than that.  It's not in the sim, it's in the iTunes backup of the phone.  So you'd have to swipe the phone, connect it to iTunes, extract the file, and read it.  

This is old news.  It broke yesterday on the tech blogs.  

The Michigan story is crazy, and doesn't have any specific relation to Apple or iPhone.  The Michigan cops can pull the data from 3,000 cell models.  Unconstitutionally, I might add, which the ACLU is all over.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 21, 2011, 11:14:42 PM
How does that work exactly?

"Ma'am did you know you were doing 60 in a 50 mph zone.  I need to see your license, registration and cell phone please."
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Lunican on April 24, 2011, 12:48:48 AM
These phones really are going to be used for surveillance purposes.

QuoteAfter analyzing more than 16 million records of call date, time and position, the researchers determined that, taken together, people's movements appeared to follow a mathematical pattern. The scientists said that, with enough information about past movements, they could forecast someone's future whereabouts with 93.6% accuracy.

The pattern held true whether people stayed close to home or traveled widely, and wasn't affected by the phone user's age or gender.

"For us, people look like little particles that move in space and that occasionally communicate with each other," said Northeastern physicist Albert-Laszlo Barabasi, who led the experiment. "We have turned society into a laboratory where behavior can be objectively followed."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704547604576263261679848814.html
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Timkin on April 24, 2011, 02:03:01 AM
I have thought for quite some time, there is no such thing left in this world, as privacy.  These stories are testimony to that.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: spuwho on April 24, 2011, 02:06:25 AM
As the hackers found out when they successfully broke into Paris Hilton's phone years ago, 99% of the worlds phones and computers contain little if any information worth having.

A recent security specialist made a bluetooth based "antenna rifle" and sat up on the 35th floor of BOA Tower and was able to acquire data from hundreds of phones throughout downtown Los Angeles. His work only lasted a hour as someone spotted him and called authorities thinking he was a sniper or terrorist.

Most passwords can be found on a post it note inside the keyboard tray of any desk in a large office.

Jailed hacker Kevin Mitnick was successful because he acquired more data through social means then through any special technical skills.

Why would any government agency care whether I am driving to Target instead of Wal Mart?

If someone wanted to know my whereabouts, I think they could do it faster than checking the GPS breadcrumbs left behind by some smartphone.

By design, cell phones are designed to be locatable, so why the fuss?





Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Lunican on April 24, 2011, 02:28:45 AM
Target and Walmart care.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: Jimmy on April 27, 2011, 01:56:16 PM
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html

Apple would like to respond to the questions we have recently received about the gathering and use of location information by our devices.

1. Why is Apple tracking the location of my iPhone?
Apple is not tracking the location of your iPhone. Apple has never done so and has no plans to ever do so.

2. Then why is everyone so concerned about this?
Providing mobile users with fast and accurate location information while preserving their security and privacy has raised some very complex technical issues which are hard to communicate in a soundbite. Users are confused, partly because the creators of this new technology (including Apple) have not provided enough education about these issues to date.

3. Why is my iPhone logging my location?
The iPhone is not logging your location. Rather, it’s maintaining a database of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers around your current location, some of which may be located more than one hundred miles away from your iPhone, to help your iPhone rapidly and accurately calculate its location when requested. Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites, and even triangulate its location using just Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data when GPS is not available (such as indoors or in basements). These calculations are performed live on the iPhone using a crowd-sourced database of Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data that is generated by tens of millions of iPhones sending the geo-tagged locations of nearby Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple.

4. Is this crowd-sourced database stored on the iPhone?
The entire crowd-sourced database is too big to store on an iPhone, so we download an appropriate subset (cache) onto each iPhone. This cache is protected but not encrypted, and is backed up in iTunes whenever you back up your iPhone. The backup is encrypted or not, depending on the user settings in iTunes. The location data that researchers are seeing on the iPhone is not the past or present location of the iPhone, but rather the locations of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers surrounding the iPhone’s location, which can be more than one hundred miles away from the iPhone. We plan to cease backing up this cache in a software update coming soon (see Software Update section below).

5. Can Apple locate me based on my geo-tagged Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
No. This data is sent to Apple in an anonymous and encrypted form. Apple cannot identify the source of this data.

6. People have identified up to a year’s worth of location data being stored on the iPhone. Why does my iPhone need so much data in order to assist it in finding my location today?
This data is not the iPhone’s location dataâ€"it is a subset (cache) of the crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower database which is downloaded from Apple into the iPhone to assist the iPhone in rapidly and accurately calculating location. The reason the iPhone stores so much data is a bug we uncovered and plan to fix shortly (see Software Update section below). We don’t think the iPhone needs to store more than seven days of this data.

7. When I turn off Location Services, why does my iPhone sometimes continue updating its Wi-Fi and cell tower data from Apple’s crowd-sourced database? 
It shouldn’t. This is a bug, which we plan to fix shortly (see Software Update section below).

8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.

9. Does Apple currently provide any data collected from iPhones to third parties? 
We provide anonymous crash logs from users that have opted in to third-party developers to help them debug their apps. Our iAds advertising system can use location as a factor in targeting ads. Location is not shared with any third party or ad unless the user explicitly approves giving the current location to the current ad (for example, to request the ad locate the Target store nearest them).

10. Does Apple believe that personal information security and privacy are important?
Yes, we strongly do. For example, iPhone was the first to ask users to give their permission for each and every app that wanted to use location. Apple will continue to be one of the leaders in strengthening personal information security and privacy.

Software Update
Sometime in the next few weeks Apple will release a free iOS software update that:

reduces the size of the crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower database cached on the iPhone,
ceases backing up this cache, and
deletes this cache entirely when Location Services is turned off.

In the next major iOS software release the cache will also be encrypted on the iPhone.
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 27, 2011, 02:03:38 PM
See...  Nothing to worry about at all... :)
Title: Re: iPhone Lemmings Line Up for NSA Surveillance.....(another classic Wonkette.com)
Post by: KenFSU on April 27, 2011, 03:37:27 PM
Between the "bug" causing the iPhone to track user's locations over long periods of time and the unprecedented, insane breach of 70 million people's personal information through Sony's PSN network, we -- as a society -- should really be taking a step back and putting some real thought into where these things can potentially take us.