QuoteHospice responds to Mica calling end of life counselors "death counselors"
By Zack Stein @ August 12, 2009 6:06 PM Permalink | Comments (7) | TrackBacks (0)
Congressman John Mica told WDBO's Jim Turner Wednesday morning that end of life care counseling is really death counseling.
Bob Wilson is the founder and CEO of the Hospice of the Comforter in Altamonte Springs. He takes exception to Congressman Mica's choice of words.
"It is certainly not death counselors, it's the same as a living will," Wilson said. "Who's not for the concept of a living will and people's autonomy to make a choice and have the options presented to them?"
Wilson says the furor over end of life care counseling and health care reform reminds him of the Terri Schiavo situation.
"In hindsight, it was shameful," Wilson said. "It didn't produce any more value of life. And I think this is a similar kind of scare tactic that has no basis in reality."
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/08/hospice-responds-to-mica-calli.html
Quote from: stephendare on August 19, 2009, 06:54:27 PM
Faye, please reconsider and edit the title of this post.
It is not fair to use this website to call a potential political opponent of yours in the upcoming election a liar.
Faye is an aspiring politician?
Hence the faith in politicians!
Good luck in your endeavors, and if you find success, please be merciful on the taxpayers. ;D
QuoteMain Entry: lie
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English lige, lie, from Old English lyge; akin to Old High German lugī, Old English lēogan to lie
Date: before 12th century
1 a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive b : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker
2 : something that misleads or deceives
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie
Im gonna vote against Faye lol
Ima dick and my vote counts 8)
Quote from: stephendare on August 19, 2009, 07:30:55 PM
So whats all this about Faye?
What was the context?
It's the rhetoric that feeds the "pulling the plug on grandma" nonsense that the anti-healthcare reform folks have been using to rile up the mis-informed.
Quote from: stephendare on August 19, 2009, 07:37:43 PM
lol thanks for the definition.
But what happened?
I think its shameful btw, to keep using the "Unplug Granny" bs here in Florida.
So many senior citizens, and they are scaring these poor people to death.
Ooops I guess we posted at the same time, saying the same thing lol
I think when you hit 60 we should get to off you anyway lol
Quote from: Sportmotor on August 19, 2009, 07:40:46 PM
I think when you hit 60 we should get to off you anyway lol
Hmmm, that would eliminate just about everyone in US Congress including John Mica himself who is 67!
I am Pro-Life, and a disability advocate,.........so you know I would protect the living.
Quote from: stephendare on August 19, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
bet you wont feel that way at 55
Bet I wont make it to 55
The past week I have...
Had a cop pull a gun on me with the safty off, had my truck slide off the road into a ditch from rain and a slick road, and been bitten by a rattlesnake.
If I make it to 30 it will suprise everyone.
Quote from: FayeforCure on August 19, 2009, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: Sportmotor on August 19, 2009, 07:40:46 PM
I think when you hit 60 we should get to off you anyway lol
Hmmm, that would eliminate just about everyone in US Congress including John Mica himself who is 67!
You say that like it would be a bad thing.
Quote from: FayeforCure on August 19, 2009, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: Sportmotor on August 19, 2009, 07:40:46 PM
I think when you hit 60 we should get to off you anyway lol
Hmmm, that would eliminate just about everyone in US Congress including John Mica himself who is 67!
I am Pro-Life, and a disability advocate,.........so you know I would protect the living.
What was your take on the whole Terri Schiavo thing?
Not that I had a definitive opinion on the matter. I had a "split decision" among my inner voices.
*searches for Joan of Arc pun*
Quote from: buckethead on August 19, 2009, 08:06:05 PM
Quote from: FayeforCure on August 19, 2009, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: Sportmotor on August 19, 2009, 07:40:46 PM
I think when you hit 60 we should get to off you anyway lol
Hmmm, that would eliminate just about everyone in US Congress including John Mica himself who is 67!
I am Pro-Life, and a disability advocate,.........so you know I would protect the living.
What was your take on the whole Terri Schiavo thing?
Not that I had a definitive opinion on the matter. I had a "split decision" among my inner voices.
*searches for Joan of Arc pun*
Well, I don't think it was something our lawmakers should have gotten involved with, but I did have serious concerns about withholding food being classified as withholding lifesupport.
A baby cannot feed itself and many disabled people such as my son couldn't either. It would be considered abuse to withhold food from babies and the disabled.
On the other hand, my dad has stage IV kidney cancer and has advanced directives refusing lifesupport, and I admire him for choosing to do that.
So like you, since Terri couldn't speak for herself, I had very mixed feelings about her case.
Hmmm... was it John Mica or Cliff Stearns that thinks the U.N. has a plot to replace U.S. soverignty with a global government? Which one thought the naming of the St. Johns River as an American Heritage River was part of another sinister plot? Regardless, its seems some of these guys are filled with more than a fair share of paranoia and need counseling.
I remain wary of designs toward a one world governmet.
There are most assuredly many within the UN with such desires. After all, they are but another bureaucracy.
They tend to expand and perpetuate.
[in by best UN voice]"If only we had control of _________ then we could make the world more govenrable and peaceful."[/voice]
Quote from: stjr on August 19, 2009, 11:09:54 PM
Hmmm... was it John Mica or Cliff Stearns that thinks the U.N. has a plot to replace U.S. soverignty with a global government? Which one thought the naming of the St. Johns River as an American Heritage River was part of another sinister plot? Regardless, its seems some of these guys are filled with more than a fair share of paranoia and need counseling.
Yeah, either they themselves are filled with paranoia or they know that stoking the fires of paranoia with the regular guys on the street, keeps our government from being able to make any progress at all. I call it the politics of distraction, but it's amazing how many people even buy into this nonsense.
It all started with Reagan saying: "Government is not the solution to our problem government IS the problem "
Well, they are making the government BE the problem, by distributing false and misleading information.
What irks me most is why these people even work for the government, if they don't believe in it.
55? Okay, I've known that magic number, and... As the train gets closer to the end point terminal
you say goodbye to the passengers and inventory all the tickets you've collected. It's as natural as sneaking into a dark freight station with the prom queen back when you were 17. Frankly when I kick off, I want to be stuffed! Stand me in a corner and I'll hold the umbrellas.
Friend Faye, you may have damaged your voter base beyond repair in our Conservative little piece of heaven. Anyone who thinks the UN is all about peace, love and the American way, hasn't studied the various proclamations that have come out of the UN wacko fringe...
Green treaty's that shut down American industrial might while allowing China to run over the rules.
Taking children's fund moneys to support a Moslem government and machine gun the opposition in Africa.
Making statements that until religion is stamped out we cannot achieve world peace and unification. By the way, the chapel in the UN is to the "Peace and power of man..."
Frankly the "CIA DID IT", becomes laughable when living in another country. Simple stuff like we are out of size 29 men's jeans... CIA did it! etc...
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: stephendare on August 20, 2009, 10:44:49 AM
Lol. Vintage Ock!!!
One question though: How do you judge a system by what comes out of its 'whacko fringe'?
Wouldnt that, by definition be pretty much what that organization is not about?
On a positive note Stephendare, the UN does seem to have collected the whacko fringe from all over the world and stuck them in a single building. Frankly vintage Ock, says that if the whole damn building turned "China" and fell over into the river... well... It WOULD kill a lot of fish!OCKLAWAHA
I like this site.
I have considered more local/state issues in two days here than in a year.
Too often I get caught up in the national debate, when so much here is relevant.
State and local politicians are even more trackable, to a degree.
Kudos to this site's founders.
This country would be better run under my supream rulling with my iron paw(fist)
Oh I mean would anyone vote for me? :P
Quote from: Sportmotor on August 20, 2009, 04:09:31 PM
This country would be better run under my supream rulling with my iron paw(fist)
Oh I mean would anyone vote for me? :P
While it seems unlikely, I suppose you could make a few campaign promises and see how far they take you.
Yeah.......the Republicans are pretty absurd! I see and hear plenty of trash mouth talking but I have yet to see anything concrete come from the Republican side of the aisle........silly people. When oh when will they spew something other than whine whine whine! Talk is real cheap.....show me your power!
Quote from: buckethead on August 20, 2009, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Sportmotor on August 20, 2009, 04:09:31 PM
This country would be better run under my supream ruling with my iron paw(fist)
Oh I mean would anyone vote for me? :P
While it seems unlikely, I suppose you could make a few campaign promises and see how far they take you.
Chew bones for everyone! Forced military service for 3 years when you hit the age of 18! Higher pay for the military! A cold war to boost the economy, and technology leaps from weapon development! A trip to Mars! Year around schooling from elementry to highschool with increased testing standards. The complete annihilation of the middle east turning it into a big sheet of glass sucking of there oil then Isolationism! Better care for veterans of all ages physical and mental.
The killing is what presidents deliver. Promises should resemble rose gardens.
Why lie, when I'll tell you what I will do and do it.
Intresting fact, did you know the Marines techincally can be deployed and go to war without the approval of congress? The Army cant but the Marines are in essince under direct command of the presendent and can go without congressional approval (I am 80% sure on that) Although Im a Army Airborner myself
While humorous, I don't subscribe to the kill em all doctrine.
Well in reality it would cost more so best bet would be the tactical taking of all the oil fields with heavy defence around them while draining them then leaving the area. Leading the country back into isolationism, with the exemption of helping Russia with its economy in exchange for a 50/50 profit share on its own oil reserves in exchange for helping extract it, stockpiling and cutting off those foreign country's from drilling off the us coast for oil unless its in international waters.
If it were me Id then take that oil use the revenue(not all but at least 30% of it) and seriously invest in the development of an alternative resource for later means of transportation. Then using some profit from the oil to pay teachers increased salary for turning the school system to being year around until 12th grade, with higher standards, and a nice little development funding for space research.
War is ugly but profitable. Id be truly upfront about my intentions lol.
Yea things like this, get discussed between beer runs with service members o.O
That or just conquer Madagascar
I wonder if I should feel bad I have thrown off whatever conversation was being held about this topic :-\
Quote from: stephendare on August 20, 2009, 10:59:00 AM
If anyone is going to beat John Mica, the friendliest man to the Greens in Florida in any real sense because of his devotion to transportation and port issues, thats what I'd like to hear how they are going to accomplish.
Well, many people are having problems with his extremism. As congenial as he puts himself out to be at the local level, he is a certified extremist in his votes and statements.
According to the National Journal based on his voting record he is the most right wing extremist Congressman in FL, and his outlandish statements are finally drawing the attention. For example this is what I found in a blog entry:
QuoteLook, it's no surprise that I have policy disagreements with John Mica. But I expect at least a small amount of honesty and decency from my Congressman. I have not voted for the man, but I have defended him on a number of issues, influenced in part by what I perceived as intellectual honesty on the issue of high speed rail.
The reality, however, is that Mica doesn't deserve that graciousness. His support of rail is obviously and simply local politics, because the man has no decency or intellectual honesty. He endorses some of the most vile and obvious lies about some of the most important issues people will face in their lives, just to curry favor and votes from the extremists, helping to conjure up blind and ignorant hatred that is undoubtedly going to lead to violence and which is splitting the country at its seams. And for what? To prevent people from having a basic level of health security? No, that's just a casualty in his political game. Consequences don't matter, other than vote getting and stirring the pot.
http://lineinthedust.blogspot.com/2009/08/brain-sucking-wind-twinin-hummin.html
A blog entry?? :D ::) :D
I agree!
Faye, You had my defacto support simply by showing up in a public forum and displaying knowledge of issues and standing your ground. Please, don't let me down.
I'm sure if you are making assertions as to a political opponents extremism and pathological dishonesty that you can offer more compelling evidence than a blog entry.
Do you lend credence to those who cite the Politico as a reference for information?
Quote from: buckethead on August 21, 2009, 07:45:43 AM
I agree!
Faye, You had my defacto support simply by showing up in a public forum and displaying knowledge of issues and standing your ground. Please, don't let me down.
I'm sure if you are making assertions as to a political opponents extremism and pathological dishonesty that you can offer more compelling evidence than a blog entry.
Do you lend credence to those who cite the Politico as a reference for information?
buckhead, well, thank you for joining metrojacksonville and finding me here too.
Obviously the blog entry only serves as an example of the leeway Mica has been given because of his supposed support for public transport,......though the only public transport project that I have see him support in FL in the 17 years he has been in US Cingress is one that would relieve his hometown of Winter Park of cargo trains. People are catching on to his extremism. I would think that extremism ranking by the National Journal which routinely ranks US Congress based on their voting record would serve as a good source for you?
Let me give you a clickable link to prove Mica's extremist right wing voting record,.......the most extremist of ALL FL congressmen:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/house/lib_cons.htm?o1=lib_composite&o2=desc
Welp, I tried, but the link does not work.
I C/P'd it to google and tried that link. No luck.
I did see a link for your webpsite. I noticed the Page stating that Mica was named the 15th most conservative in the nation, whatever that means.
In parousing the site, I also learned that while in California, you worked in the field of health care.
Please tell me that you did not lobby the California state legislators for a health insurance company.
Quote from: buckethead on August 21, 2009, 10:40:57 PM
Welp, I tried, but the link does not work.
I C/P'd it to google and tried that link. No luck.
I did see a link for your webpsite. I noticed the Page stating that Mica was named the 15th most conservative in the nation, whatever that means.
In parousing the site, I also learned that while in California, you worked in the field of health care.
Please tell me that you did not lobby the California state legislators for a health insurance company.
The link works fine for me and others. It shows 2007 vote ratings.
I was a Capital Expenditure Planner at Kaiser Permanente, where my work included utilization studies for MRI equipment which at that time were terribly expensive. I therefore worked closely with many physicians to determine the demand for MRI services at the 9 Soutehrn California Hospitals.
In Florida, I indeed was a citizen lobbyist for Patient Safety and Stem Cell Research, but I traveled to Tallahassee and Washington DC, rather than disrupt Town Hall meetings.
And what is your backround related to healthcare?
I'm a pimp. I occasionally supply patients to Shands.
Ah, another lie exposed!
QuoteMica misstates how bill addresses illegal aliens
In the Sentinel editorial board's interview with Rep. John Mica on Monday ("Mica: Private plans at risk"), he stated that the health-reform bill H.R. 3200 did not address coverage of illegal aliens under a government insurance plan.
Mica also stated that the absence of such a prohibition amounted to allowing anyone coverage, regardless of immigration status.
Actually, Section 246 of the bill reads as follows: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
Either Mica has not read the bill he is fighting against, or he is willfully misrepresenting it. As Rep. Joe Wilson might say (or, rather, scream), he's lying.
But what’s more disturbing than Rep. Mica’s boldfaced lies is the willingness of the Sentinel to allow him to get away with it unchallenged. Are you journalists, or are you stenographers?
Lindsey Gale Orlando
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-edpletters-taxes-jobs-091909091909sep19,0,5926904.story
More:
http://lindseyannegale.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/i-hate-the-orlando-sentinel/