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QuotePhila. man shot because family talked during movie
By Barbara Boyer
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
A South Philadelphia man enraged because a father and son were talking during a Christmas showing of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button took care of the situation when he pulled a .380-caliber gun and shot the father, police said.
James Joseph Cialella Jr., 29, of the 1900 block of Hollywood Street is charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault, and weapons violations.
"It's truly frightening when you see something like this evolve into such violence," said police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore.
Police were called to the Riverview Theatre in the 1400 block of Columbus Boulevard about 9:30 p.m. where the gunshot victim, a Philadelphia man who was not identified, told police a man sitting near him told his family to be quiet and threw popcorn at his son.
After exchanging words, Vanore said Cialella allegedly got out of his seat to confront the family when the father got up to protect them. That's when the victim was shot once in the left arm, sending others in the theatre running to safety.
Cialella then sat down to watch the movie. Police arrived a short time later and arrested Cialella and confiscated his weapon, Vanore said.
Did he get to finish the movie?
Quote from: stephendare on December 26, 2008, 08:52:48 PM
Cialella then sat down to watch the movie. Police arrived a short time later and arrested Cialella and confiscated his weapon, Vanore said.
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Pride...Dude should have shut his ass up when Cialella asked him to shut up. Never know whats on peoples minds nowadays. Challenging a stranger can put you in the dirt. Street smart will tell you if someone is brave enough to tell you to STFU 9 times out of ten they going through something and the issue shouldn't be escalated. Guess people have to learn the hard way.
It's called keeping it real. Both were in the right if you ask me.
Both were wrong but the shooter is significantly more wrong and will rightfully go to prison for his deeds.
Na. Anger managment and 5 years probation. This isn't one of those premedited thingys.
The movie theater was at fault for not having an usher available to silence the talkers. This is a prime example of the breaking down of society. Disregard for common courtesy, disregard of generally accepted rules. The need to arm ones self against threats. The misuse of arms to enforce minor rule breaking.
Variations of this type of encounter are happening more frequently all over. Traffic laws and common courtesy. Been out shopping lately??
Nice spin Troll putting the blame on the theater. Next you will be telling us the victim should start sueing big theater, etc.
It isnt spin... theaters used to provide ushers for exactly this sort of altercation. They also helped people to their seats and resolved other isues encountered when you put 100 strangers together in a room.
Okay, here's my two cents....first of all, yes the theaters used to have ushers to not only help people find a seat, but they helped maintain order (ie: keeping others quiet) during the showing. Secondly, the father and son were rude and totally inconsiderate of others in the theater, if indeed they were talking throughout the movie. Thirdly, the guy was wrong to have thrown popcorn and then shooting the father.
What should've taken place, if the people won't be quiet, once asked...then talk to the manager, and it's their responsibility to deal with the rude patrons. If they failed to comply, then the manager should've asked them to leave.
I agree that things have changed greatly, people in general have become rude, inconsiderate and then all too often, use violence to resolve the issue.
I agree jbm... but leaving a seat to find a manager in the middle of a movie, then confronting the rude person during the movie, and actually expecting manager to do anything is... well... not likely to happen.
I know, which shows the lack of customer service....and I would've demanded a refund or pass to see the show at a different day/time
The theaters should start advertising a text number to report bad behavior by the audience like the NFL has. Easy, private and you don't have too get up and miss any of the movie.
They still have ushers, but ushers are usually kids that well, dont always have the best work ethic. I like the text idea.
I cannot say I have seen an actual usher in a theater in ten years... but I think the text idea would be a great tool for theaters and patrons... :)
Agreed, today's "ushers" are merely ticket-stub-rippers at the front entrance, then perform clean-up duties between screenings.
THE USUAL RANDOM THOUGHTS...
They don't have this problem in Nevada, where for a certain price, one gets a movie - a friend - and a private viewing room. Hee Hee.
Smacking their heads together hard enough to turn out the lights, would have been much more fun, and the noise wouldn't have sent terror though the place.
After Wind Talkers and a few others which claimed to be the most realistic war experience ever seen in a theater, it left me cold. A couple of Vietnam Vets and I wrote to AMC and suggested:
1. Before the war movie starts, arm 2 sniper qualified ushers with scoped AK-47's
2. When the movie starts, LOCK ALL THE DOORS
3. Have one usher set the curtains on fire while the movie plays.
4. set off a Claymore with a remote trigger in a back lower corner of the room.
5. During the rest of the film, just have the snipers take out say 2 - 3 more people from the balcony.
When the movie ends, you open the doors and serve water from a rusty barrel and MRE's, and host a survivor party... Now THAT would be a realistic war movie.
OCKLAWAHA
well, not totally unrelated to the topic.
"rude" and "ruder" is related to general stress and well, you guessed it, economy condition. People are not happy and result in rage and....
I can appreciate that, but there's just little to no excuse in my book...for anyone to be downright rude and inconsiderate.
Quote from: stephendare on December 27, 2008, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on December 27, 2008, 08:17:40 AM
The theaters should start advertising a text number to report bad behavior by the audience like the NFL has. Easy, private and you don't have too get up and miss any of the movie.
wow. What a brilliant idea, Jeff. Bet you could register a national number, let people text from all over the country and give ratings based on the viewing experience!
A real time thumbs up or down by the audience would be cool.
Quote from: stephendare on December 26, 2008, 09:07:43 PM
Cooly, thats what I like Hardboiled movie watching!
LOL ha ha ha Stephan you crazy man! But man I don't know sometimes when I am out people watching I can just tell the ones that need to be left alone. And there are those times I don't want to be bothered. Thank goodness for shades and my ipod. I just TRY to smile but if I ain't smiling don't come in my direction. NO I AINT GOT CHANGE YOU BUM, NO I DON"T WANNA BY YOUR CD RAPPER GUY, NO BITCH I DON"T KNOW WHAT BUS YOU TAKE TO GET TO STONE MOUNTAIN, NO YOU CAN NOT USE MY DAMN PHONE, People have issues, that why I love the "red box", I hate when chicks want to go to the movies all the damn time, when there is a damn "Red Box" at McDonalds, read the newspaper bitch, money is tight!!! Stop asking me to spend! I don't like to eat out either, because again people have issues. Then there is the huge possibility of taking out one of these whiney bitches to eat for them to harass the waiter or waitress about the meal, saying stuff like "Its not hot enough" or "I ordered this not that" or " Why every time I come here ya'll get my order wrong?"....And the whole time I am looking at this dumb broad from across the table thinking in my mind she was laying in the middle of wrestling ring with me about to jump off the top rope and land a 205lb elbow to her damn skull, because her nagging is driving me up a fucking wall.....In short Happy Holiday everyone.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 27, 2008, 06:56:58 AM
The movie theater was at fault for not having an usher available to silence the talkers. This is a prime example of the breaking down of society. Disregard for common courtesy, disregard of generally accepted rules. The need to arm ones self against threats. The misuse of arms to enforce minor rule breaking.
Variations of this type of encounter are happening more frequently all over. Traffic laws and common courtesy. Been out shopping lately??
I totally agree. That is why I stay my ass inside until people are happy again.
Just wait for the DVD, you can watch it at home and pause whenever needed...plus the popcorn is cheaper!
Seriously though when you got the movie and shell out twenty bucks to watch a mediocre film you would like to at least hear the numbing dialogue right?! (Although I have heard that movie is good).
It is the theatre's responsibility to make sure you can watch the damn movie you just paid twenty dollars to see. (Getting shot is not part of the ticket).
I'll bet the guy and his son who were talking shut up after that.
Heights Unknown
I hate it when I'm at a movie and people are talking, however, this is extreme and way over the edge; shooting somebody? The days are gone when you can go anywhere and be safe. Go get the Manager or someone in authority to ask them to stop talking. This guy must have had a psychological problem of some sort.
Heights Unknown
Fragging them would have made a louder statement!
OCKLAWAHA
"Kill them all and let God sort them out..." (101St airbourne logo - Vietnam)
I know it's wrong but deep down inside you know how satisfying it must have felt at the moment. I wonder if there were people in the theater that just kept watching the movie. I got $1.00 says some nut just went along as if nothing happened.
Did they stop the movie?
Quote from: fatcat on December 27, 2008, 03:35:00 PM
well, not totally unrelated to the topic.
"rude" and "ruder" is related to general stress and well, you guessed it, economy condition. People are not happy and result in rage and....
Comments like this are a pet peeve of mine. These things happen and have nothing to do with the economy. Here is an article from 92 on the subject which mentions the same gripes ... and a man being shot for talking. I wonder if we were in the "worst economic times ever" then too? The news business is run on making it the "worst ever" ... I'm not saying that it's not bad but lets be carful linking it to every single bad event.
Article from 92
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEFD8113DF936A35755C0A964958260 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEFD8113DF936A35755C0A964958260)
QuoteKnowing my penchant for trying to silence the unsilenceable, a friend sent me a news clipping about a man shot to death in a theater for unsolicited hushing. I have become more careful now. I look for toddlers and people with pacemakers. They don't want trouble and rarely carry firearms.
Turn off your cell phones and shut the eff up in the theater... common courtesy. Of course shooting rude people is not high on the "solve societies problems" list either... :)
Here is a suggestion that may prove helpful:
When frustrated by noisy movie patrons, do not shoot them.
This has been a public service announcement brought to you by buckethead.
In the victim's defense, Benjamin Button did have some pretty slow parts. Loved it though.