Ok after the 1999 AFC championship lost it took me 3 yrs to watch the NFL again. After a Jags lost (especially a lost like vs the Titans) It usually takes just a week to get over the lost. Ok, now that we know the Jags will be watchting the SB on TV with the rest of us what do we need to do to get there and win(Jags that is). Serious replies only please.(the obvious, win every game ;))
1. Coaching must improve(like Bilacheat without cheating) along with drafting and free agency.
2. Better play calling,
3.Players who want to win and not just collect a paycheck,
4.Balance team run/passing
5.Improve againts divisional foes
6.Play to win and stop playing not to lose.
7.Consitentcy through out the entire season, especially after the bye week,
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on November 18, 2008, 04:44:27 AM
Ok after the 1999 AFC championship lost it took me 3 yrs to watch the NFL again. After a Jags lost (especially a lost like vs the Titans) It usually takes just a week to get over the lost. Ok, now that we know the Jags will be watchting the SB on TV with the rest of us what do we need to do to get there and win(Jags that is). Serious replies only please.(the obvious, win every game ;))
1. Coaching must improve(like Bilacheat without cheating) along with drafting and free agency.
2. Better play calling,
3.Players who want to win and not just collect a paycheck,
4.Balance team run/passing
5.Improve againts divisional foes
6.Play to win and stop playing not to lose.
7.Consitentcy through out the entire season, especially after the bye week,
It's too easy to just say improve on those things. The fact is, they need better players. They need better offensive linemen, the need better receivers, they need better defensive linemen and they need a real strong safety. When better players are here, it's amazing how much better the coaches will look.
And I could not disagree with you more on number 3. The players want to win every game. How else can you explain them winning in Indy and Denver?
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
Its players not plays....Football is a team sport, but its also a beat the guy in front of you sport...We dont have the talent to win a lot of the individual battles. Our Guards cant beat their DT's, our tackles cant beat their DE's. Our WR cant beat their defensive backs...ect
But i am in NO WAY a fairweather fan....I will be at every home game, and I will renew my tickets for next year
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
NFL teams aren't run like that.
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
Tebow would definately be a huge plus for the team. I am sure he would love nothing better than playing for the NFL in his hometown.
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
Typical Gator fan.
Quote from: copperfiend on November 18, 2008, 08:22:19 AM
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
NFL teams aren't run like that.
Please explain.
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
With Wrightser coming back from ACL injury, im not sure we need another TE ;D
Quote from: MattnJax on November 18, 2008, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
Typical Gator fan.
Sorry MattnJax. If this guy played for FSU, Georgia, or any other team I would feel the same way. My main concern at this point is to sell tickets!
Whenever he is drafted, he isn't going to play right away anyway. Less than 1% of his snaps in college have been under center. He has never run anything close to a pro style offense.
Quote from: copperfiend on November 18, 2008, 08:34:53 AM
Whenever he is drafted, he isn't going to play right away anyway. Less than 1% of his snaps in college have been under center. He has never run anything close to a pro style offense.
You guys are missing my point! I understand the whole taking snaps from center and running a pro style offense argument. I just think that from a publicity standpoint it would do wonders for ticket sales and also boost our profile on a national level.
People are going to buy tickets to watch him sit on the bench? I doubt it.
Quote from: copperfiend on November 18, 2008, 08:50:21 AM
People are going to buy tickets to watch him sit on the bench? I doubt it.
MY GOD! Will you people stop and think. he is a Gator. he has a Heisman Trophy, he is probably the most recognized player in college football, and he is from Jacksonville1 Thats my point! I bnever said he is going to come here and lead us straight to the Super Bowl.
Why would people buy tickets? Because his name is on the roster? No, they want to see him play. He won't play as a rookie.
Quote from: copperfiend on November 18, 2008, 08:58:48 AM
Why would people buy tickets? Because his name is on the roster? No, they want to see him play. He won't play as a rookie.
I am going to say this one more time and then I am done. People will buy tickets just for the resons I just stated. Do you think people in Cleveland had any idea that Brady Quinn would be playing so soon. Thsy were excited because of his high profile and he was from Cleveland. Not that the Browns need any help selling tickets!
Tebow is not an NFL quarterback and drafting him would only cause the team to suffer by not addressing a need at another position with the pick used to draft him. People would not buy tickets because we had Tebow. We have several Gator players on the team now. Are Gator fans knocking down the doors to buy tickets? That is not how things work. Winning football games makes people want to buy tickets, not drafting a college-only quarterback. This is no slight on Tebow, he is one of if not the most amazing college quarterbacks in recent memory, but this isn't a Tebow thread. Suffice to say that is a horrible idea that would only make the team less competitive. The decrease in ticket sales from having a bad team would surpass any "Tebow bump" in sales by a wide amount.
This team needs significant help at offensive and defensive line. It is that simple. Perhaps getting our guards back from injury will help on the offensive line, but I wonder whether Barnes is really that good. You could have Walter Payton and Joe Montana in your backfield and you will not be successful if your offensive line cannot do their job. The pressure that Tennessee was consistently getting with just 4 pass rushers on Sunday was the difference in that game. Garrard has to run for his life and get the ball out quickly with 7 men clogging the passing lanes on plays where we have 4 receivers. That formula doesn't win games. Who needs a speedy "Jimmy Smith" type receiver with a line like that? It takes a 5 or 7 step drop from the quarterback and sufficient time to allow deep patterns to develop. At this point it is impossible to run these routes because we can not protect the quarterback long enough. The number one issue on this team is the offensive line.
Likewise, our secondary has been purely awful this year and there can be no excuse for them. However, you can cover a lot of weaknesses when you can get pressure on a quarterback (see above). Perhaps Groves and Harvey will develop and that would be a Godsend. Losing Scott Starks could have been critical, because all signs were he was developing nicely this offseason. Hopefully he can come back strong and we can finally send Brian Williams to the bench or elsewhere. I do not know who determined he was a cover-corner, but that's one I am sure they would like to forget.
I do not think the coaching has been bad this season, although JDR has wobbled at times. The coach cannot wave a magic wand and make Tutan Reyes the next coming of Gene Upshaw. He can only do so much as the talent on the team allows, and when you have a lack of talent in the trenches, it massively impacts what you can do at the other positions.
Great post Cooperfiend and Tripoli. GatorShane I understand what you are saying, but the Jags dont need any gimmicks to sell tickets. They need a complete balance team with talatent players and playmakers. As mentioned a solid O-line and D- line. Tebow, Brady, Manning if the team cant win and be competitive, a contender. People will stay home like they are doing now. Cleveland and many other team already have a good strong fan base built already. We're still trying to get to that point. We just have alot of bandwagoners and they are jumping off right now.
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on November 18, 2008, 08:58:48 AM
Why would people buy tickets? Because his name is on the roster? No, they want to see him play. He won't play as a rookie.
I am going to say this one more time and then I am done. People will buy tickets just for the resons I just stated. Do you think people in Cleveland had any idea that Brady Quinn would be playing so soon. Thsy were excited because of his high profile and he was from Cleveland. Not that the Browns need any help selling tickets!
And for the last year and a half the Browns have had to deal with a distraction. The fans didn't want Quinn on the bench, they wanted him on the field. Do you think if the Gators fans in town bought tickets because of Tebow that they would sit on their hands and watch Garrard until Tebow is ready?
Quote from: adamh0903 on November 18, 2008, 08:28:25 AM
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
With Wrightser coming back from ACL injury, im not sure we need another TE ;D
Ouch, that left a mark :o
Yeah, but this is a tightend with a heisman. Anyways I agree there are other positions we need to fill then the 3rd string tightend position. We need a playmaking wide receiver, some corners that can actually play man to man, some d linemen, some o linemen and maybe we can draft a defensive coordinator as well. damn, i miss mike smith. Oh yeah, since it looks like we will get a top 10 pick, HEY SHACK HARRIS start picking some good players instead of these damn bums you keep picking.
Shack won't be around. He is going to be the fall guy. The funny thing is that Harris lost alot of responsibilities this past offseason. The offseason people consider the worst in team history.
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: MattnJax on November 18, 2008, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
Typical Gator fan.
Sorry MattnJax. If this guy played for FSU, Georgia, or any other team I would feel the same way. My main concern at this point is to sell tickets!
But Tebow isn't a pro-style QB. He's probably going to transitition into a TE or maybe a fullback, who knows. But I highly doubt he's going to be a QB in the NFL.
Gator fans think this guy is the greatest football player of all time, college or pro. It's ridiculous. That's why I called you a typical Gator fan. I'm sorry but Tebow isn't the 'chosen one'. I can't tell you how many Gator fans I hear that think he's going to be this hall of fame NFL QB. Especially since most Gator fans have no knowledge of football outside of the gators and college football. And even if the Jags drafted him there probably wouldn't be a major bump in tickets, and frankly I wouldn't want to watch a game with people that come to Jags game just watch Tebow. I'd rather watch it with true Jag's fans.
Quote from: adamh0903 on November 18, 2008, 08:28:25 AM
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
With Wrightser coming back from ACL injury, im not sure we need another TE ;D
zing! nice one...and im a gator fan.
Quote from: Tripoli1711 on November 18, 2008, 09:05:03 AM
Tebow is not an NFL quarterback and drafting him would only cause the team to suffer by not addressing a need at another position with the pick used to draft him. People would not buy tickets because we had Tebow. We have several Gator players on the team now. Are Gator fans knocking down the doors to buy tickets? That is not how things work. Winning football games makes people want to buy tickets, not drafting a college-only quarterback. This is no slight on Tebow, he is one of if not the most amazing college quarterbacks in recent memory, but this isn't a Tebow thread. Suffice to say that is a horrible idea that would only make the team less competitive. The decrease in ticket sales from having a bad team would surpass any "Tebow bump" in sales by a wide amount.
This team needs significant help at offensive and defensive line. It is that simple. Perhaps getting our guards back from injury will help on the offensive line, but I wonder whether Barnes is really that good. You could have Walter Payton and Joe Montana in your backfield and you will not be successful if your offensive line cannot do their job. The pressure that Tennessee was consistently getting with just 4 pass rushers on Sunday was the difference in that game. Garrard has to run for his life and get the ball out quickly with 7 men clogging the passing lanes on plays where we have 4 receivers. That formula doesn't win games. Who needs a speedy "Jimmy Smith" type receiver with a line like that? It takes a 5 or 7 step drop from the quarterback and sufficient time to allow deep patterns to develop. At this point it is impossible to run these routes because we can not protect the quarterback long enough. The number one issue on this team is the offensive line.
Likewise, our secondary has been purely awful this year and there can be no excuse for them. However, you can cover a lot of weaknesses when you can get pressure on a quarterback (see above). Perhaps Groves and Harvey will develop and that would be a Godsend. Losing Scott Starks could have been critical, because all signs were he was developing nicely this offseason. Hopefully he can come back strong and we can finally send Brian Williams to the bench or elsewhere. I do not know who determined he was a cover-corner, but that's one I am sure they would like to forget.
I do not think the coaching has been bad this season, although JDR has wobbled at times. The coach cannot wave a magic wand and make Tutan Reyes the next coming of Gene Upshaw. He can only do so much as the talent on the team allows, and when you have a lack of talent in the trenches, it massively impacts what you can do at the other positions.
I can't recall any other comments you have made about the Jags in the past, but I'm gonna assume we'd agree on a lot of football things, cause I support this post 100%.
Quote from: MattnJax on November 18, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
But Tebow isn't a pro-style QB. He's probably going to transitition into a TE or maybe a fullback, who knows. But I highly doubt he's going to be a QB in the NFL.
Gator fans think this guy is the greatest football player of all time, college or pro. It's ridiculous. That's why I called you a typical Gator fan. I'm sorry but Tebow isn't the 'chosen one'. I can't tell you how many Gator fans I hear that think he's going to be this hall of fame NFL QB. Especially since most Gator fans have no knowledge of football outside of the gators and college football. And even if the Jags drafted him there probably wouldn't be a major bump in tickets, and frankly I wouldn't want to watch a game with people that come to Jags game just watch Tebow. I'd rather watch it with true Jag's fans.
I personally think Tebow has a shot to make it as a QB. He's making great strides as a passer, although you're right that he's had essentially zero experience in a pro-style offense. He's got to keep improving if he's gonna succeed under center. I will reiterate that his chances are better there than attempting to switch positions, imo.
Let us all remember how many great gator qb's there have been in the NFL..... that's right, none
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on November 18, 2008, 10:40:20 PM
Quote from: adamh0903 on November 18, 2008, 08:28:25 AM
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
With Wrightser coming back from ACL injury, im not sure we need another TE ;D
zing! nice one...and im a gator fan.
lol, i am to!
Thanks PM... and I agree, the jury is still out on Tebow. I think he is making progress and he certainly is stocked with intangibles as a leader and someone who would be a true student of the game. I expect him to continue improving as a passer and after his senior season he may be worth a look in the 5th round to give him a shot. Right now he is being asked to run Urban's offense and getting coached up to do that. If he keeps improving then with the right coaching he could be effective some day. As an Alabama alumni, it would not upset me in the least, however, if he went down for a couple weeks with a tweaked ankle from the FSU game. Have them playing to the echo of the whistle Micky!
Quote from: Tripoli1711 on November 19, 2008, 12:53:16 PM
Thanks PM... and I agree, the jury is still out on Tebow. I think he is making progress and he certainly is stocked with intangibles as a leader and someone who would be a true student of the game. I expect him to continue improving as a passer and after his senior season he may be worth a look in the 5th round to give him a shot. Right now he is being asked to run Urban's offense and getting coached up to do that. If he keeps improving then with the right coaching he could be effective some day. As an Alabama alumni, it would not upset me in the least, however, if he went down for a couple weeks with a tweaked ankle from the FSU game. Have them playing to the echo of the whistle Micky!
Haha. Cmon tripoli, dont you want your guys to beat the best when they're AT their best? I don't want to beat a 'bama team that's not at full strength. it that a little fear i'm sensing? :P
It isn't a little fear. I am quite certain that Florida is unstoppable right now. I grew up a FSU fan and am still a big Seminoles fan too. I had entertained fleeting hopes that FSU could do something at home next weekend. I no longer have such thoughts. I think Alabama can win, but I think if they played Florida 10 times at the neutral site Ga. Dome, Florida would win 7. I agree though, I would not want to cheapen the victory by having them drastically shorthanded.
I think Texas Tech's offense would give both Alabama's and Florida's defenses fits.
Quote from: Tripoli1711 on November 18, 2008, 09:05:03 AM
Tebow is not an NFL quarterback and drafting him would only cause the team to suffer by not addressing a need at another position with the pick used to draft him. People would not buy tickets because we had Tebow. We have several Gator players on the team now. Are Gator fans knocking down the doors to buy tickets? That is not how things work. Winning football games makes people want to buy tickets, not drafting a college-only quarterback. This is no slight on Tebow, he is one of if not the most amazing college quarterbacks in recent memory, but this isn't a Tebow thread. Suffice to say that is a horrible idea that would only make the team less competitive. The decrease in ticket sales from having a bad team would surpass any "Tebow bump" in sales by a wide amount.
This team needs significant help at offensive and defensive line. It is that simple. Perhaps getting our guards back from injury will help on the offensive line, but I wonder whether Barnes is really that good. You could have Walter Payton and Joe Montana in your backfield and you will not be successful if your offensive line cannot do their job. The pressure that Tennessee was consistently getting with just 4 pass rushers on Sunday was the difference in that game. Garrard has to run for his life and get the ball out quickly with 7 men clogging the passing lanes on plays where we have 4 receivers. That formula doesn't win games. Who needs a speedy "Jimmy Smith" type receiver with a line like that? It takes a 5 or 7 step drop from the quarterback and sufficient time to allow deep patterns to develop. At this point it is impossible to run these routes because we can not protect the quarterback long enough. The number one issue on this team is the offensive line.
Likewise, our secondary has been purely awful this year and there can be no excuse for them. However, you can cover a lot of weaknesses when you can get pressure on a quarterback (see above). Perhaps Groves and Harvey will develop and that would be a Godsend. Losing Scott Starks could have been critical, because all signs were he was developing nicely this offseason. Hopefully he can come back strong and we can finally send Brian Williams to the bench or elsewhere. I do not know who determined he was a cover-corner, but that's one I am sure they would like to forget.
I do not think the coaching has been bad this season, although JDR has wobbled at times. The coach cannot wave a magic wand and make Tutan Reyes the next coming of Gene Upshaw. He can only do so much as the talent on the team allows, and when you have a lack of talent in the trenches, it massively impacts what you can do at the other positions.
Sorry to get everyone so upset!!! I was just trying to think of a way to sell some tickets. I didnt know everyone would get so G@# Damn sensitive. Oh yeah, all of the draft picks and free agent pickups in the past have done wonders for the franchise and ticket sales. It wont really matter in a few years anyway because the Jags arent like Dallas, New England or a lot of any other teams that would go after a big name player. We will all be watching the LA Jaguars or maybe the Las Vegas Jaguars, or better yet the Birmingham Jaguars. My only point was I was trying to sell some tickets, but I guess all of you guys have marketing degrees so I will just keep my opinions to myself!(yeah right!)
I wasn't getting sensitive and did not intend to come across as such. I just didn't agree with the proposition that Tebow would sell tickets. I don't know how to get tickets sold for that stadium. Its a beautiful stadium, the weather is typically perfect and the tickets are very affordable compared to other NFL cities. If I weren't presently exiled in Virginia (for only 1 more season I hope) then I would have season tickets. I actually gave some thought to buying some this year just to help sell out the stadium and then giving them to my friends or to charity, my wife thought it a good idea but ultimately vetoed. I digress.
I think the ticket situation will ultimately take care of itself because Mr. Weaver is committed to this city. He will not be around forever but I think he will be around long enough to let the Jaguars become firmly entrenched. I am 27. I was 14 during the Jaguars first season. Before then I was a Dolphins fan. The point is that I still remember no football in Jacksonville. There are a whole lot of local kids who are now 21 and 22 who have no memory of a time before the Jaguars. They are just about to get real jobs and be able to buy tickets, and I think they will. The city continues to grow. Give it another 10 years and I think its waiting list time. The Jaguars are not moving to LA.
QuoteSorry to get everyone so upset!!! I was just trying to think of a way to sell some tickets.
The Jaguars drafted both Derrick Harvey and Reggie Nelson... both in the first round and both from UF
Fred Taylor was a star running back @ UF that won a national championship there... he's also the face of the team.
Did that sell tix?
There is one thing that is sure to drive ticket sales... WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES and to win football games you need great football players.
You could sign Danny Wurfel tomorrow and still have black out concerns and LA rumors.
Personally I will continue to renew my season tix every year regardless of our record. The NFL is a product, it's exciting. Standing on my toes watching the ball bounce of Matt Jones's hands at the end of the Clevland game was exhilirating even though we lost.
It's great to be outside on beautiful sunday drinking beers with your dad, son, wife or buddy watching athletes perform at this level win or lose.
Lower your expectations and just enjoy the game.
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: MattnJax on November 18, 2008, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
Typical Gator fan.
Sorry MattnJax. If this guy played for FSU, Georgia, or any other team I would feel the same way. My main concern at this point is to sell tickets!
Selling tickets is your main concern for NFL football? Selling tickets? Vic Ketchman was right about Jacksonville fans... :-[
Quote from: Coolyfett on November 19, 2008, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: MattnJax on November 18, 2008, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: GatorShane on November 18, 2008, 08:18:55 AM
Get Tim Tebow in 2010 draft. At the very least they could sell some tickets.
Typical Gator fan.
Sorry MattnJax. If this guy played for FSU, Georgia, or any other team I would feel the same way. My main concern at this point is to sell tickets!
Selling tickets is your main concern for NFL football? Selling tickets? Vic Ketchman was right about Jacksonville fans... :-[
Of course I wanna win. What fan doesn't. But I also don't want my beloved team to leave town, so selling tickets is a major concern for me.
Quote from: Shwaz on November 19, 2008, 04:53:56 PM
QuoteSorry to get everyone so upset!!! I was just trying to think of a way to sell some tickets.
The Jaguars drafted both Derrick Harvey and Reggie Nelson... both in the first round and both from UF
Fred Taylor was a star running back @ UF that won a national championship there... he's also the face of the team.
Did that sell tix?
There is one thing that is sure to drive ticket sales... WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES and to win football games you need great football players.
You could sign Danny Wurfel tomorrow and still have black out concerns and LA rumors.
Personally I will continue to renew my season tix every year regardless of our record. The NFL is a product, it's exciting. Standing on my toes watching the ball bounce of Matt Jones's hands at the end of the Clevland game was exhilirating even though we lost.
It's great to be outside on beautiful sunday drinking beers with your dad, son, wife or buddy watching athletes perform at this level win or lose.
Lower your expectations and just enjoy the game.
I don't think I could have said it better myself.