Who's going, just purchased my ticket on line. Go Jags!!
I'll be there.
havent missed one in 3 years
Section 141
Pumped!
I'll be there. I'm glad they moved the time up to 4:15. Just hope it's not too chilly.
The weather report shows 61 7 sunny!
Quote from: Shwaz on November 13, 2008, 10:53:39 AM
Section 141
Pumped!
If I happen to go, I know which section that I'm NOT gonna be in. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Players that overpursue overaggressively with little or no effect on the play are called 'backwash'. LB's on the other side of the field, when the opponent runs an opposite-side sweep are basically 'backwash'; Just like blitzers on a HB screen. Just thought I'd help. ;)
I(Q)-10
Are you really bringing this up again?
How'd you like the Jags trying to run the corner in the Bengals game... didn't work did it?
I tell you what did work... running it straight down Detroits throat.
^^^The Bengals DON'T have S. Rogers either; Different schemes for different teams. Nice touch on the I(Q)-10. Hehe.
Keep drawing up those plays dude... they'll be calling you in any day now.
i'll be there, section 201.
I haven't been to a winning home game this year, hopefully that'll change on sunday.
Quote from: David on November 13, 2008, 01:52:02 PM
i'll be there, section 201.
I haven't been to a winning home game this year, hopefully that'll change on sunday.
You didn't go to the Texans game?
I'll be there! Section 201 as well. Yay Jags go team! =D
i can't remember, did I go?
After staring 0-2 Sundays quickly turned into a booze fest.
11-5(keep the faith) GO JAGS! GO GATORS!
First time in a luxury suite I'll be there. ;D
Quote from: Shwaz on November 13, 2008, 12:24:31 PM
The weather report shows 61 7 sunny!
Perfect football weather. ;D Just hope we can defeat the 9-0 Titans. We almost have to win out and be 11-5 in order to have a shot at the playoffs in the AFC this year. A 10-6 record might get us in but Cleveland was 10-6 last season and missed out. The Jags have a tough road ahead, but I still believe in them.
Quote from: MattnJax on November 13, 2008, 11:59:23 AM
I'll be there. I'm glad they moved the time up to 4:15. Just hope it's not too chilly.
Really!!! Man thats awesome. Ill be at the Broncos v. Falcons game, but you all scream your heads off please!!! A win would be news breaking!! ESPN would be all over it...plus its the TITANS, we owe those chumps. Remember the 99 AFC Championship.....bring that pain and hatred with you.
Any news on ticket sales (is it televised?)?
Quote from: blizz01 on November 13, 2008, 05:37:29 PM
Any new on ticket sales (is it televised?)?
I've heard this season that the Jags front office doesn't want to make a big deal out of the ticket-selling situation which is why we don't hear much about it during the week, unlike in seasons past, where all throughout the week you would hear about how xxxx amount of tickets were still for sale. But with this being a high profile game (9-0 Titans, new 4:15 time slot, national televised CBS game, Jags season on the line), I anticipate no problem selling this one out, or atleast meet the blackout demands.
First Coast News is reporting that they avoided a blackout yet again. Lets just hope its not reminiscent of the scene when we played Pittsburgh a few weeks ago. :(
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=123772&catid=3
I hope not I dont want to see a sea of blue in the stands. Oh how I hate the Titans and yes I remember 1999 I hope the Jags do.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on November 13, 2008, 10:48:38 PM
I hope not I dont want to see a sea of blue in the stands. Oh how I hate the Titans and yes I remember 1999 I hope the Jags do.
Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! I still have nightmares about that game. reggie barlow muffing the kick!!! I was in section 204 then, two huge, I mean huge titan fans in front of me. Nicest guys in the world, rooting for there team, we were chatting and talking nicely the whole game. If you have ever gone to an away game in the NFL, my wife and I have done 6, it can be a very scary experience. Thats why I always encourage fans to treat the visitors nicely, if they are just rooting for there team. After we lost that game had to shake there hands and compliment them, better team won.
Could someone tell me what does the NFL consider when it applies the blackout rule and attendance. Does every team announce attendance figures based on tickets sold or actual number of people in the stands? I know we hear about blackouts here but what about other cities. Atlanta has had at least three games in which attendance was announced at 62,000-63,000. If the georgia Dome seats 72,000-73,000 would that constitute a blackout. What about Oakland. They had 47,000 at their last home game. Capacity at their stadium, 62,000. That would certainly constitute a blackout wouldnt it? Miami had 65,000 in their first home game --capacity-75,000. My point is that we arent the only ones with this problem.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on November 13, 2008, 10:48:38 PM
I hope not I dont want to see a sea of blue in the stands. Oh how I hate the Titans and yes I remember 1999 I hope the Jags do.
I think theres only about 5 players on the Jags who were in the NFL that year. And Freddie T is the only one who was playing for the Jags back then. I can assure you that he remembers, though. ;D
Quote from: civil42806 on November 13, 2008, 10:55:45 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on November 13, 2008, 10:48:38 PM
I hope not I dont want to see a sea of blue in the stands. Oh how I hate the Titans and yes I remember 1999 I hope the Jags do.
Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! I still have nightmares about that game. reggie barlow muffing the kick!!! I was in section 204 then, two huge, I mean huge titan fans in front of me. Nicest guys in the world, rooting for there team, we were chatting and talking nicely the whole game. If you have ever gone to an away game in the NFL, my wife and I have done 6, it can be a very scary experience. Thats why I always encourage fans to treat the visitors nicely, if they are just rooting for there team. After we lost that game had to shake there hands and compliment them, better team won.
agreed...best to be civil, civil. Plus, good sportsmanship makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Quote from: GatorShane on November 13, 2008, 11:03:05 PM
Could someone tell me what does the NFL consider when it applies the blackout rule and attendance. Does every team announce attendance figures based on tickets sold or actual number of people in the stands? I know we hear about blackouts here but what about other cities. Atlanta has had at least three games in which attendance was announced at 62,000-63,000. If the georgia Dome seats 72,000-73,000 would that constitute a blackout. What about Oakland. They had 47,000 at their last home game. Capacity at their stadium, 62,000. That would certainly constitute a blackout wouldnt it? Miami had 65,000 in their first home game --capacity-75,000. My point is that we arent the only ones with this problem.
I'm a little confused by this too, since the official rule is that all non-premium seats must be sold and a couple weeks ago, I think it was against the Browns, the Jaguars avoided a blackout but after the deadline the front office announced there were still non-premium seats available...my only explanation would be that the Browns returned their allotment of tix, since those dont count towards the blackout number. But I'm not sure.
Anyway, in regards to your other questions, different teams follow different rules (whether they choose to announce actual attendance or sold tickets) and as I alluded to, blackouts depend on the non-premium seats so the exact number needed to avoid them depends on how many premium/club/skybox seats a particular stadium has.
Hey Shwaz, when you go to the Titan game, in your 86' Datsun, let your boy drive you there, and you ride on the passenger side shotgun; The side with the broken seat belt. :D
most NFL teams announce tickets sold. The deal with the Jags avoiding blackouts ,but tickets still being available is there is a business who stepped up and said they would buy what is needed to avoid blackout, so the jags avoid a blackout, and the negativity that goes with it, the front office still pushes tickets, and the business is only on the hook for what is left on sunday.
The front office has done a great job pushing the mini packs also.
QuoteHey Shwaz, when you go to the Titan game, in your 86' Datsun
Datsun discontinued the brand in 1981 and was completely fazed out by 1985 when they became Nissan.
For a guy who spends as much time in the library as you... you'd think this would be more difficult for me.
^^^Okay, change that to your 86' Toyota Corolla; Man, you REALLY have to much TIME on your side, looking up Datsun on Google; Remember, ride shotgun in the Toyota; The side wit' the busted seat belt___ :D
Will do
I don't think you will see a lot of Titan fans Sunday. I bought my tickets in August. It was close to being a sellout then. I was only able to get nose bleed seats.
Quote from: civil42806 on November 13, 2008, 10:55:45 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on November 13, 2008, 10:48:38 PM
I hope not I dont want to see a sea of blue in the stands. Oh how I hate the Titans and yes I remember 1999 I hope the Jags do.
Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! I still have nightmares about that game. reggie barlow muffing the kick!!! I was in section 204 then, two huge, I mean huge titan fans in front of me. Nicest guys in the world, rooting for there team, we were chatting and talking nicely the whole game. If you have ever gone to an away game in the NFL, my wife and I have done 6, it can be a very scary experience. Thats why I always encourage fans to treat the visitors nicely, if they are just rooting for there team. After we lost that game had to shake there hands and compliment them, better team won.
Yea I agree, But only for certain teams. If its the Cowboys or Steelers at my home field am directing all shit talking there way!!
I went to Raymond James last here, they were mean as hell at first, but I just keep scanning the stands for the Teal & Black. When I got eye contact, you got that smile and nod like "whats up!". Bucs fan were trying to hook me, but I wouldn't bite. I was sitting next to this Buc fan and his son, and I kept chatting it up with the boy and taking pics with him. At the end of the game the lil boy ask his dad can he take him to Jacksonville to see the Bucs Vs Jags game in four years. Dad said "we'll see".....That was a cool experience. Jags come here to Atlanta in 2011. I wont be a Falcon fan that week!
Whats the atmosphere like in Jax? What Jersey are they wearing? Is Jack wearing the suit? Have they worn all black yet? Whats the media hype?
I imagine teal,,they havent worn all black this yr,, the atmosphere can be great, but if the Jags play like they did againts the Browns it may take the crowd out of the game. I expect the fans to be hyped,,we will see.
A little birdie told me the all black is gone for a little while. Succeeding in the NFL is has a lot to do with tradition, and picking an identity and sticking with it. When you think squealers, I mean steelers :), you think black and gold, when you think green bay, you think green and yellow. When you think jags...you think Teal. The teal is real baby
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on November 15, 2008, 02:21:45 AM
I imagine teal,,they havent worn all black this yr,, the atmosphere can be great, but if the Jags play like they did againts the Browns it may take the crowd at the game. I expect the fans to be hyped,,we will see.
You seeing a lot of teal and black around the city? You know like how it was last year before the Steelers and Patriots games.....I see they moved the schedule, I am guessing it is the CBS regional broadcast not many AFC games at 4.
Quote from: adamh0903 on November 15, 2008, 08:10:35 AM
A little birdie told me the all black is gone for a little while. Succeeding in the NFL is has a lot to do with tradition, and picking an identity and sticking with it. When you think squealers, I mean steelers :), you think black and gold, when you think green bay, you think green and yellow. When you think jags...you think Teal. The teal is real baby
Hmmmm interesting. That is for the entire league right? I don't think the Falcons have worn there black jerseys either. Only a few teams have the alternate black....Jaguars, Eagles, Falcons, Ravens...i think there may be 2 more. I guess they did away with the suits for coaches....I always like the suit thing.
Now if we could just get something to consitently wave in the stands, so far we've had the wiggle sticks--ugh,,then the pom poms for the steeler game,whats next. I would like teal or white towels.
Quote from: alta on November 14, 2008, 04:28:30 PM
I don't think you will see a lot of Titan fans Sunday. I bought my tickets in August. It was close to being a sellout then. I was only able to get nose bleed seats.
It won't be like the Steelers or Browns games but there will be a decent amount of Titans fans. It's amazing how many come out of the woodwork when they are winning. I remember in 2005, when we played the Bengals on Sunday night football and they were undefeated. There were thousands of Bengals "fans" there. Where do you think they are now?
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on November 16, 2008, 12:07:13 AM
Now if we could just get something to consitently wave in the stands, so far we've had the wiggle sticks--ugh,,then the pom poms for the steeler game,whats next. I would like teal or white towels.
I have a teal towel, they should do the teal towel promotion more often, but it a way I feel like its copying the Steelers. Today is an important game, Ill be watching.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on November 16, 2008, 12:07:13 AM
Now if we could just get something to consitently wave in the stands, so far we've had the wiggle sticks--ugh,,then the pom poms for the steeler game,whats next. I would like teal or white towels.
Towels are cool, but I think they would rip-off of the Steelers too much.
Agreed...we need something different, where it doesn't look like we're just doing some knock off from them
Quote from: jbm32206 on November 16, 2008, 10:50:50 AM
Agreed...we need something different, where it doesn't look like we're just doing some knock off from them
Agreed also. I am thinking maybe a rally monkey or tomahawk chop?
along the lines of the rally monkey, couldn't we have something as a jaguar to swing around? Remember the old Exxon tiger in the tank? Well we could have jaguars by the tail to swing
Quote from: jbm32206 on November 16, 2008, 10:50:50 AM
Agreed...we need something different, where it doesn't look like we're just doing some knock off from them
Yeah I agree, but what could that be? Definitely not pom-poms. The wiggle stix were ok, but they are not an every game type of thing. The thing is though is that when I look around the league, I can't really think of anything that fans of other teams do as far as having a signature fan move. Most teams just aren't defined by their fans. With the exceptions being the Dogpound in Cleveland, the Lambau Leap in GB, and the crazies out in Oakland.
I see alot of other fans from other teams waving towels, but I guess that does belong to the Steelers. The pom poms were ok because during the halftime show they did look good, even though none of that was shown during halftime. Has anyone else noticed that many people are waving white towels at the Jaguar games. I am going to get there early so I can get a teal towel, havent been able to find one at Jagmania.
I would think that they sell them at the game....
Yeah thats why I am going early because everytime I get there they are sold out. I am always there well before kick off.
Have fun!
Quote from: copperfiend on November 16, 2008, 10:59:47 AM
Quote from: jbm32206 on November 16, 2008, 10:50:50 AM
Agreed...we need something different, where it doesn't look like we're just doing some knock off from them
Agreed also. I am thinking maybe a rally monkey or tomahawk chop?
Are thunder sticks allowed? Man those things rock! Teal & Black thunder sticks would be great, but I am not sure NFL allows them. I know MLB & NBA does.Teal & Black Thunder sticks....yaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Well, we didn't do the job....
Well just got back home,,,Jags are a big disappointment this yr. Too many injuries and not enough play makers. That 2nd half was just pathetic. I wonder why the coaches think they can just run,run,run with the defense has the box stacked. The offense was just pittiful. This a bad Jaguar team 1 and 4 at home this yr. They played so well the 1st half,so what happen. I need a drink. :'(
I was at the game. All I can say is there goes the season. We will be lucky if we actually have a winning record this year. It's so depressing and such a let-down after the run we had last season. All of the off-season aqusitions have been major disappointments (Jerry Porter, Derrick Harvey, Quentin Groves, Drayton Florance). >:(
Quote from: MattnJax on November 16, 2008, 08:07:39 PM
I was at the game. All I can say is there goes the season. We will be lucky if we actually have a winning record this year. It's so depressing and such a let-down after the run we had last season. All of the off-season aqusitions have been major disappointments (Jerry Porter, Derrick Harvey, Quentin Groves, Drayton Florance). >:(
Cmon, don't call Harvey and Groves major disappointments. I'm not exactly sure what your expectations were for rookie DEs.
Porter is my biggest disappointment, cause I was actually quite happy when we signed him. I thought he was a spark plug and a missing link. I know he was hampered by the injury, but man, he's had enough time to get back and as far as I know the injury wasn't to his hands or his hand-eye coordination.
Florence is the worst acquisition of the group, and perhaps the most disappointing for the front office, but I was personally skeptical of him from the start.
Anyway, i think we're all agreed that this season has been a disappointment overall. And as it is right now, I'll be proud of an 8-8 finish. Barring a major turnaround in our play (or a collapse by our future opponents), I don't think we'll be favored in any of our remaining games.
Agreed look at the Jags remaining schedule,find a win!!!!
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on November 16, 2008, 09:16:20 PM
Quote from: MattnJax on November 16, 2008, 08:07:39 PM
I was at the game. All I can say is there goes the season. We will be lucky if we actually have a winning record this year. It's so depressing and such a let-down after the run we had last season. All of the off-season aqusitions have been major disappointments (Jerry Porter, Derrick Harvey, Quentin Groves, Drayton Florance). >:(
Cmon, don't call Harvey and Groves major disappointments. I'm not exactly sure what your expectations were for rookie DEs.
But when we invest our whole draft in two underperforming DEs it's a big let-down. Especially when we sell the farm to move up in the draft to select one of them. And for what? I think one sack between the two of them all season. A lot of rookie defensive ends have great rookie years, so I'm not cutting them any slack because they are rookies. It would be different if they were QBs, but DE is one of the easiest for a rookie. Heck I believe Javon Kearse had about 14 sacks his rookie year.
It is time to face facts... Garrard is mediocre at best. Fred Taylor should have retired last year or the Jags should have cut him. The recieving corps and O line are awful. Shack Harris needs to go and get a real personel person in here.
Quote from: MattnJax on November 16, 2008, 09:37:13 PM
It would be different if they were QBs, but DE is one of the easiest for a rookie. Heck I believe Javon Kearse had about 14 sacks his rookie year.
Actually, rookie defensive ends have difficult transitions. Kearse and Julius Peppers are two of the few exceptions. Look at Mario Williams. People called him a bust his rookie year and now he is among the best ends in the league.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 17, 2008, 06:52:36 AM
It is time to face facts... Garrard is mediocre at best. Fred Taylor should have retired last year or the Jags should have cut him. The recieving corps and O line are awful. Shack Harris needs to go and get a real personel person in here.
Hard to find open receivers when you are laying on your back...
it seems they didn't protect against deep passes that well, the titans made it look way too easy. I know they're really good and all but i would've much rather have given up 10-15 yards instead of those long bombs down the field.
As for Garrad, regardless of how good/bad you think he is it was still a step up from Leftwich. He defintely was able to scramble his way out of a few sacks yesterday, more than leftwich would've.. We just don't have many go-to wide recievers.
It seems the team just lost their energy after the half, hell even the fans did. When I left to get drinks at halftime everyone was pumped up, there was this energy in the air. I came back right at the opening of the 3rd quarter and it felt like both the team and fans had given up.
Regardless though, we were in the game until the last 5 minutes, it was only a 3 point difference until that interception.
Whattyado..... You just can't mess up like that when playing undefeated teams (remember the patriots last year?)
Everything here is Jax is VERY peachy with a GREAT coaching staff; They call EXCELLENT with their INNOVATIVE play calling; JDR is the man for next year to take us to the promised land. Jax just happened to run into BETTER teams in TEN(twice), BUF, PIT, CIN, and CLE. It's definitely looking bright with the coaching staff intact for next year to get JAX to the SB. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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BULLS*IT CHECK!!!!!!!!!!!
OUR COACHING STAFF SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Why keep dropping back for medium ranged passes when the Titans are CONSTANTLY getting pressure up the middle?
Why not SHORTEN the passing game, esp. wit' M. Jones out?
Why not UTILIZE the backs more outta the backfield?
Where's a QUICK OUT pass to a WR to get the ball outta #9's hands quickly?
How come we ran a GREAT play call in a bunch formation weak-side toss to the outside to MJD that FOOLED TEN's defense, and you don't see that play again for the entire game?
The Miami Dolphins are no better than JAX IMO, but MIA has innovative play callers that put their players in good position to WIN GAMES; Whatever it takes; Wildcat formations, SUCCESSFUL reverses, etc. I bet Lake agrees with me. JAX has STUPID coaches, and we seem to give the other team our play book; Look at the old Jags with Coughlin and that 9-7 playoff teams back in 1996; No better than this current team, but it had a SUPERIOR coaching staff, to this current one in JAX.
These are MY OPINIONS!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU(any metrojax member) HAVE A PROBLEM WIT' EM, SCREW YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIRE JDR after this season!!!!!!
96 Jags were no better than this team? They had two borderline Hall of Fame receivers and a Hall of Fame left tackle. Not to mention a Pro Bowl quarterback and right tackle. That team was very good. If anything, they underachieved.
I-10east, I do agree. Outside of a few additions most of the guys on the Dolphins were a part of last year's pathetic 1-15 team. The largest difference between then and now is the coaching staff and the Big Tuna (Bill Parcells). They're doing a good job of utilizing their player's talents. Last year's staff tried to force players to fit into Cam Cameron's system.
Quote from: copperfiend on November 17, 2008, 11:08:24 AM
96 Jags were no better than this team? They had two borderline Hall of Fame receivers and a Hall of Fame left tackle. Not to mention a Pro Bowl quarterback and right tackle. That team was very good. If anything, they underachieved.
I'll give you that Copper, but IMO "Mr interception in the clutch(Brunell)" was a lil' overrated. I consider Keenan more of an "all-pro" than a Hall of Fame guy. Poor David Garrard; I wish he could get better recievers, and a better O-Line; Can you imagine Leftwich wit' Garrard's current O-Line??___ :o TEN probably would've sacked Leftwich eleven times.___ :(
JDR & co. are great coaches.
I saw great play calls in the second half, right on the money throws to receivers who's hands must've been coated with butter.
This is the same staff that put up franchise record points & yards, created the two headed monster and gave the team an identity with a strong running game and suffocating defense.
Injuries have killed the running game and the defense has just flat out laid an egg.
Getting rid of Stroud has hurt us... but last year we played better without him so it makes perfect sense to free up cap room and acquire extra draft picks.
The rookie's are young and need time to get better... too bad the vet's are too old to make plays during their growing period.
I liked the personnel moves on paper in the off season and the addition of Greg Williams. The free agents didn't pan out like they were supposed to and GW doesn't have the players to execute his attack style play. So for the most part our defensive scheme is the exact same as last year.
The offensive line injuries buried this team from the beginning... limiting the running game and leaving the qb under constant pressure.
Give us back Vince Manuwae, Mo Williams & Brad Meester on opening day and this season is sky's the limit.
I think we played a lot of tough games that were decided by a play or two here and there that would've changed the outcome in our favor.
If you think JDR is gone after his big contract in the off season you're wrong... maybe Shack Harris but not JDR.
The team will find a way to get its identity back and we'll fly under the radar all next season.
In the meantime... GO JAGS!
Quote from: MattnJax on November 16, 2008, 09:37:13 PM
But when we invest our whole draft in two underperforming DEs it's a big let-down. Especially when we sell the farm to move up in the draft to select one of them. And for what? I think one sack between the two of them all season. A lot of rookie defensive ends have great rookie years, so I'm not cutting them any slack because they are rookies. It would be different if they were QBs, but DE is one of the easiest for a rookie. Heck I believe Javon Kearse had about 14 sacks his rookie year.
Copper said exactly what I was gonna say in response to this. You exaggerate when you say "a lot" have great rookie seasons. Kearse was an exception, there are exceptions at every position. You know Jevon Kearse hasn't really had a season close to the numbers he put up his rookie year? In sacks or tackles. His rookie season was his best statistically, and none since have really even been that close.
Not saying that these guys won't prove to ultimately be disappointments, but I don't think it's fair to call them that until this time next year.
Quote from: Shwaz on November 17, 2008, 11:52:31 AM
JDR & co. are great coaches.
I saw great play calls in the second half, right on the money throws to receivers who's hands must've been coated with butter.
This is the same staff that put up franchise record points & yards, created the two headed monster and gave the team an identity with a strong running game and suffocating defense.
Injuries have killed the running game and the defense has just flat out laid an egg.
Getting rid of Stroud has hurt us... but last year we played better without him so it makes perfect sense to free up cap room and acquire extra draft picks.
The rookie's are young and need time to get better... too bad the vet's are too old to make plays during their growing period.
I liked the personnel moves on paper in the off season and the addition of Greg Williams. The free agents didn't pan out like they were supposed to and GW doesn't have the players to execute his attack style play. So for the most part our defensive scheme is the exact same as last year.
The offensive line injuries buried this team from the beginning... limiting the running game and leaving the qb under constant pressure.
Give us back Vince Manuwae, Mo Williams & Brad Meester on opening day and this season is sky's the limit.
I think we played a lot of tough games that were decided by a play or two here and there that would've changed the outcome in our favor.
If you think JDR is gone after his big contract in the off season you're wrong... maybe Shack Harris but not JDR.
The team will find a way to get its identity back and we'll fly under the radar all next season.
In the meantime... GO JAGS!
Let me start off be saying; Shwaz, I respect your opinions, but I disagree with alot of what you said; Surprise huh!__ ;D
JDR and Co "maybe" are good coaches(best case scenario), but C'mon great?
You said that WR's were dropping balls in the second half; Funny, you and I couldn't have seen the same game; I saw Garrard not having any time to throw the ball, because TEN was getting pressure up the middle; He got hit alot; Our GENIUS coaches set #9 up for failure wit' the med range passes they called; Why not shorten the passing game? Why not roll Garrard out more? Why not screen a lil' more wit' MJD, and Freddie? How come Garrard NEVER audibles?
JDR will probably be here (unfortunately) next season, but c'mon Shwaz, let me dream a lil' about his departure from Jax. :)
JDR is fine
I do wonder about our front offices ability to evaluate talent.
I think its to early to tell on the 2 DE's
Jerry Porter did have a very serious injury that is still bothering I believe. Drayton Florence is being asked to play out of position because we dont have the personal to play Williams Defense. Florence was signed to be a pressure man corner, he cant do they because we cant get to the QB. I dont care who the CB is, you put him in man to man and allow the QB to see the field, he will pick a defense apart.
Everybody wants somebody fired after a loss....Its players not the plays.
QuoteYou exaggerate when you say "a lot" have great rookie seasons.
DE Chris Long 1st Round Pick 2 overall - 4 sacks
Vernon Gholston 1st Round Pick 6 overall - 0 sacks
Derrick Harvey 1st Round Pick 8 overall - 1.5 sacks
Give these guys some time
QuoteOur GENIUS coaches set #9 up for failure wit' the med range passes they called
Marcel from Jacksonville
I’m a huge Jaguars fan and I'm not a know-it-all but why do we only run up the middle? How predictable are the Jaguars? I know you love to run but after the third quarter, when the run was not working, why were the Jags still running up the middle?
Vic: Because it was better than being sacked. Is that a good answer? Seriously, though, how many years have the Jaguars been in the league? Isn’t it about time we stop asking this question? I mean, Steve Spurrier’s been gone from Florida for a long time now and he hasn’t done anything since then anyhow, so why don’t we just accept the fact that running the ball up the middle is what professional football teams do? Maurice Jones-Drew and Fred Taylor averaged 4.3 yards per carry and the
Jaguars averaged 3.9 net yards per pass play, so I think running up the middle might’ve been the better option.
^^^First paragraph about the "alot of rookies" or whatever, You didn't get that quote from me, so if gonna leave that alone. I think that you got the quote from PM; I'm glad that I'm NOT the only person that you disagree with. :)
Second paragraph about the play calling, and your correlation with someone on jaguars.com, and me are offbase IMO. "Marcel" does have a good point though; Jags should run outside a lil' more; Not all of the time, just a lil more. Funny thing is ev'rytime we run outside, we seem to get good yardage. It's a mystery as to why you think that our play calling is good; Who's coaching staff would you rather have, MIA's, or JAX's??__I'm gonna laugh if you say JAX's.__ :D
You missed the point.. the game plan was short passes and they averaged 3.9 yards per play.
I included the whole quote because you're all about the lateral running which Vic pretty much explains is retarded.
QuoteWho's coaching staff would you rather have, MIA's, or JAX's??__
Jax of course... you can take that wild cat, spread offense crap right back to the college level. It's hokey & lame.
Quote from: I-10east on November 17, 2008, 12:31:07 PM
^^^First paragraph about the "alot of rookies" or whatever, You didn't get that quote from me, so if gonna leave that alone. I think that you got the quote from PM; I'm glad that I'm NOT the only person that you disagree with. :)
He wasn't disagreeing with me. He was backing up my comment with statistics. Just sayin...although obviously the person I was responding to originally would be the person he disagrees with.
Quote from: I-10east on November 17, 2008, 12:31:07 PM
Second paragraph about the play calling, and your correlation with someone on jaguars.com, and me are offbase IMO. "Marcel" does have a good point though; Jags should run outside a lil' more; Not all of the time, just a lil more. Funny thing is ev'rytime we run outside, we seem to get good yardage. It's a mystery as to why you think that our play calling is good; Who's coaching staff would you rather have, MIA's, or JAX's??__I'm gonna laugh if you say JAX's.__ :D
Without a doubt I take the Jax coaches. They have a proven track record. I might change my mind in a few years though. Also, I'd probably take Miami's front office (with Parcells at the helm).
Didn't Miami need a last second field goal to beat Oakland at home?
^ Yep!
Yeah, but Jax lost to an 0-8 team. Its the NFL, everybody can be beaten on any given Sunday.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on November 17, 2008, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: MattnJax on November 16, 2008, 09:37:13 PM
But when we invest our whole draft in two underperforming DEs it's a big let-down. Especially when we sell the farm to move up in the draft to select one of them. And for what? I think one sack between the two of them all season. A lot of rookie defensive ends have great rookie years, so I'm not cutting them any slack because they are rookies. It would be different if they were QBs, but DE is one of the easiest for a rookie. Heck I believe Javon Kearse had about 14 sacks his rookie year.
Copper said exactly what I was gonna say in response to this. You exaggerate when you say "a lot" have great rookie seasons. Kearse was an exception, there are exceptions at every position. You know Jevon Kearse hasn't really had a season close to the numbers he put up his rookie year? In sacks or tackles. His rookie season was his best statistically, and none since have really even been that close.
Not saying that these guys won't prove to ultimately be disappointments, but I don't think it's fair to call them that until this time next year.
I'm sorry but I'm just not going to baby these guys. They are clearly underperforming, rookies or not. They rarely ever sniff the QB. We gave away practically our whole draft to get Harvery and used our 2nd pick on Groves because we desperately needed a pass rush. Which as seen yesterday, when we put no pressure on Collins, we still lack and desperately need. All year long we have given every QB all day to throw the ball. And as we've seen with Shaq Harris, his personal decisions have been lackluster. With Mojo and Rashean being the notable standouts.
QuoteWe gave away practically our whole draft to get Harvery and used our 2nd pick on Groves because we desperately needed a pass rush.
They did it to solidify the DE line over next grip of years... not just this year. These players take time to develop PERIOD...
almost all rookies do. Everyone was calling Matt Jones head for the last 3 years and now he's the leading receiver on the team and playing great. I'm hoping Harvey & Groves don't take as long but it's better than a bust.
Doesn't anyone watch college on Saturday and NFL on Sunday and see the difference in size & speed?
Quote from: Shwaz on November 17, 2008, 05:35:15 PM
QuoteWe gave away practically our whole draft to get Harvery and used our 2nd pick on Groves because we desperately needed a pass rush.
They did it to solidify the DE line over next grip of years... not just this year. These players take time to develop PERIOD... almost all rookies do. Everyone was calling Matt Jones head for the last 3 years and now he's the leading receiver on the team and playing great. I'm hoping Harvey & Groves don't take as long but it's better than a bust.
Doesn't anyone watch college on Saturday and NFL on Sunday and see the difference in size & speed?
Dude I have no problem with rookies taking a year or two to develop but these two have shown me nothing and it's very disappointing, rookies or not. Atleast show me something. People say Mario Williams had a bad rookie year, but he did 4.5 sacks and showed promise. Not really seeing any promise out of these guys. I hope I'm wrong and these two turn out to be all-pros, but knowing Shaq Harris's history of drafting I'm not so sure.
Quote from: Shwaz on November 17, 2008, 01:34:29 PM
You missed the point.. the game plan was short passes and they averaged 3.9 yards per play.
I included the whole quote because you're all about the lateral running which Vic pretty much explains is retarded.
Hey, since when was Vic K. God??__That is only his OPINION; Let's get that clear. You said that the game plan was short passes?? ???__Ummmmm, no it wasn't; Garrard was dropping back for med passes, and he didn't have the time. My question to you is; If our plan was for a short passing game, then why no short and QUICK passes were completed, like a quick out for example??
QuoteJax of course... you can take that wild cat, spread offense crap right back to the college level. It's hokey & lame.
;D ;D ;D ;D :D :)___I said that I'll laugh. If MIA coaches had Jax's team to work with, we would have lost NO MORE than FOUR games IMO thru ten games in the season. That "hokey" MIA offense is gonna get MIA to the playoffs probably; As for JAX's "great" offense..........Adios, pack your bags, no playoffs; You do the math. Mind you, I love the Jags, and can give a crap about the Dolphins, but I just tell it like it is.
Quote from: copperfiend on November 17, 2008, 01:54:55 PM
Didn't Miami need a last second field goal to beat Oakland at home?
Yeah, but they find ways to WIN GAMES. Jax find ways to LOSE GAMES; Simple as that. You only further reassured as to why I think that MIA's coaching staff is MUCH BETTER than JAX's.
QuoteGarrard was dropping back for med passes, and he didn't have the time.
3.9 average is a medium pass huh? Seriously dude it's just math.
QuoteYeah, but they find ways to WIN GAMES. Jax find ways to LOSE GAMES
You're right... but that's not the coaches it's the players. Did JDR blow the coverage on Gauge on those 3 deep balls? Nope.. the safety's bit on the pump fake. Blame them.
^^^Forget stats; you were up in 141 in the nosebleeds; If you get a chance look at the game on TV maybe from Tivo; Garrard ATTEMPTED (coaches called it) medium passes, but unfortunately he COULDN'T get' em off, thanks to TEN's constant pressure up the middle. No M. Jones of course didn't help in that cause.
Pete Prisco(he is not God either :)) today said that he don't think that D. Koetter is allowed to showcase his entire offense, as they seem to be others like Mike Tice, and the other guy that I can't think of now influencing the offense; In other words, too many chefs' hands in the saucepan. Koetter is known for a wide spread em' out offense; This O don't show that in ANY WAY.
Yeah, you mentioned the defense biting on pump fakes, but how come we only scored fourteen points, wit' that sucky ass offensive play calling? The MOST OVERRATED clique; Execution; You CAN'T execute what's not there, like running when there's nine, or ten in the box. The play calling sucks; simple as that.
BTW Shwaz, my "friend", I'm "glad" that you make it home safe after the game, since you didn't use your selt belt in your Toyota and all. ;)(non-gay wink)__ :)
Quote from: MattnJax on November 17, 2008, 05:47:37 PM
Dude I have no problem with rookies taking a year or two to develop but these two have shown me nothing and it's very disappointing, rookies or not. Atleast show me something. People say Mario Williams had a bad rookie year, but he did 4.5 sacks and showed promise. Not really seeing any promise out of these guys. I hope I'm wrong and these two turn out to be all-pros, but knowing Shaq Harris's history of drafting I'm not so sure.
I agree with everything you said except the part I italicized. I just don't see how you can make a judgment on a player's successful transition to the pro-level so soon. Even if I give you that they haven't done much thus far, in the overall scheme of their development this is just the first quarter. Do you say a player had a disappointing game just because they play poorly in the first quarter? I think it's just too early for rookie evaluations. We can say that they could be doing much better, and of course we all wish they were, but that doesn't mean that they're disappointing just cause they're not. And after reviewing Mario Williams' rookie year situational statistics vs. Groves and Harvey, I'm pretty sure Williams got a lot more playing time than our rookies have.
I guess we'll just agree to disagree...it is a matter of personal expectations, anyhow. I will say, this could be time for Shack to go...
This is a bad year to be a Jaguar player(maybe not they still get paid) or fan. I still plan to attend the home games. IMO defensive line is in need of repair, guys have aged and are several steps slower. All opposing QB have torched the secondary in one way or another. Even the rusty QB out of retirement was able to throw a strike down the field for a big gain. Doesnt matter how good your cb's or safties are given the time the Jags have allowed opposing QB's to stand back there and scan the field some one will eventually get open.
With a banged up O-line and a grandpa D-line we are lucky they have won 4 games. I dont mind the run first style pass when you have to, but with style you can not afford to fall behind. Been a long time when the Jags have been able to erase a 10 point defecit and win. It will be interesting to see how the Jags finish the season and what JDR does next yr.
So much for believe in now. :'(
It seems like my previous prediction of a 5-11 or 6-10 Jags season is coming true. I kinda hope that we tank all of the rest of our games, so that we could get in position for a good draft pick next year; What do ya think??
QuoteI kinda hope that we tank all of the rest of our games, so that we could get in position for a good draft pick next year; What do ya think??
I don't think (even if the Jags get a top 10 pick) they would select a player and instead trade for multiple picks.
After the D Harvey contract debacle I agree it's not worth the money.
We do better later in the first round and 2nd, 3rd round anyways.
I hope this doesn't start the Tim Tebow to Jags discussion again.
From what I have seen this year, besides the obvious offensive line injuries, their biggest problem is not having anyone of note to throw to. Matt Jones is a QB trying to play WR, Porter never surfaced and others remain lackluster.
If you're a running team (which they are), defenses will load up and dare you to beat them in the air. If you can't make those plays, you're toast. Tennessee - primarily a running team - is continuing to win because Collisn can make plays to his big WRs when defenses cheat up.
Jax has a quality running game. It has a defense. It doesn't have a passing game and that's what holds it back. More depth on the OL next year will also be key.
Quote from: hanjin1 on November 20, 2008, 03:11:16 PM
I hope this doesn't start the Tim Tebow to Jags discussion again.
I agree, but you know how them Gator yahoos can get; Gator fans act as if everything revolves around them.
My Mick Hubert(Gators football announcer) impression..............
Oh My!!!Oh My!!!!!Oh My!!!!Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, (moan) Tebow(gasp) OH MY!!!!!__Tim Tebow delievers!!!!!!Oh MY!!!!!__(moan)__Tebow is clearly Superman with the "S" on his chest!!!!__OH MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) ;) :D ;D :P