:-[ Well back from the Jags game. I think now its time for the Jags to go back to the drawing board. The injury issue excuse is certainly gotton old now. The Jags are just being out played an out coached. I blame most of these loses on the coaches. The play calling has been very poor. We cant run or stop the run. Cant sack the QB, but ours is running for his life, other teams receivers get wide open break tackles and fight for extra yards while ours either dont get open or when they do catch the ball they are falling down or going out of bounds. No explosiveness at all. Defense is clawless to say atleast. All QBs our defense makes them look like pro bowlers or Brady like. Fans in the stands are saying they are tired of this boring offense and lack of defense.
I am afraid the Jags will finish below .500 if they keep playing like this. People keep saying this is the easy part of the schedule,hmmm do they know the Jags keep all oponents in the game to the last sec. With out some Zebra help and a coin toss, we should be 0-7 with out a doubt. Please God let the Lions win a game before we play them or the we will be embarrassed as being their first win. The Texans blew away the Bengals, but watched the Jags struggle next week. Basically with this defense, were playing for next yr,IMO this yr is over. I hope I am worng :-\
I was at the game as well, and while I also was disappointed and don't necessarily disagree with you, I think you're being a bit harsh. We had a chance to win the game...came within one broken up near catch in the endzone of winning. The Browns don't have a stellar record, but hey neither do we! This is the same Browns team that tore up last year's Super Bowl champions as well. The Jags are playing like a mediocre team and their record shows it.
Maybe so, I am just so disappointed with the defense and their perfomance this season. I recorded the game on dvr and watched the play before the last and only if Matt could have caught that ball it would have been one of the greastest wins in Jaguar history, but is was not to be. I dred the game vs the Bengals. The defense can not stop a stop sign this yr. I am going to keep supporting them though and keep going to the home games. I hope they start playing like we know they can!!! Lets Go Jags!!!! :'(
Glad to see you're a true fan...in good times and bad. I understand your desire to lash out at the playcalling, but honestly it's the players not the plays. Guys need to step up now. The season isn't over yet...all that matters is you play Super Bowl-caliber ball at the end of the year, and you're still in contention at that point in time. So undefeated, 2 losses, or even 6 losses heading into the playoffs doesn't matter as long as you're playing well and you're in.
That said, our chances aren't looking good...we probably have to win 7 of these last 9 to get to the postseason. Bottom line is, we've got to play a lot better. But the season isn't done quite yet.
Very painful to watch, but they had my eyes glued on every play.
The entire restaurant I was watching the game from erupted with a loud echoing YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh on Matt Jone's near catch in the end zone.
Our offense seems to be making decent plays, but we're over taxing them by them having to constantly answer to the onslaught of scoring from whatever team we're playing.
Last week I said it would be nice to put a game away and sit back and enjoy a win for the remainder of the 4th quarter, but i'll just take a win now. Anyway we can get it. That would be nice :D
I noticed Hooters has a ferry to the game. But a certain $ and you can take the ferry to the stadium for free... what a great idea! Is this new?
That was the first game I attended at the stadium and it made my weekend even though we didn't win. The 4th quarter was a mess, uuuggggghhhh, talk about aggravating.
They just don't have it this year. The defense looks slower. The running backs aren't getting any holes. Garrard and Matt Jones have stepped up but the other receivers have been below average. The season isn't over but it's going to be tought to get back to the playoffs.
Way to go D. Koetter!!!! :-[ >:( :-[
Yeah, let's run straight down the throat of probably the best freakin defensive tackle(CLE's NT) in freakin' football!!!!!!__That made me so damn mad!!!__Hey Koetter, try running on the OUTSIDE for a change; Afterall, that's were MJD picked up the first down.
Hey "HH" Gregg Williams, try to send A SAFETY, or a CORNERBACK when our front four aren't gettin' to Anderson!!!!
I hate to say it, but the Jags are gonna be anywhere from 7-9, to 9-7; Not enough to make the playoffs; We digged ourselves in a hole, so now we hafta lie in it. I'm still a die-hard though. :)
Here we go with the blame the coaches crap.
Gregg Williams is dealing with the same problems we had last year.. PERSONEL. You're not going to just come right in and turn a couple rookies and a few old men into Bruce Smith in his prime. Go ahead and send the house.. safety/ corner blitzes have resulted in 1 thing over the last 2 years.. huge offensive gains.
If that doesn't work just blame Dirk K for running the ball up the middle on a team that ranks 24th in the league in rushing defense. We've seen 7 games that were decided by 7 points or less. A play here or there in any of those losses could've been the difference. Blame the 11 guys on the field, or injuries or the ref's... the coaches have called the right plays they just weren't executed.
This is getting serious! We need to go 8-1 over the rest of the year and finish 11-5. That might not even be good enough because 3 teams outside of division already own tie-breakers over us. I am not going to bash the team but it seems like we have been watching the same movie over and over for 14 years. IMO only 2 players have stepped it up this year, Matt Jones and Josh Scobee. If I have to watch Reggie Williams do one of his stupid dances after a 4 yard catch one more time I am going to explode. I realize that a play or 2 here or there could have us at 5-2 or 6-1. I love these guys but it is very frustrating to watch this week after week, year after year. GO JAGS!
Quote from: GatorShane on October 27, 2008, 04:07:32 PM
This is getting serious! We need to go 8-1 over the rest of the year and finish 11-5. That might not even be good enough because 3 teams outside of division already own tie-breakers over us. I am not going to bash the team but it seems like we have been watching the same movie over and over for 14 years. IMO only 2 players have stepped it up this year, Matt Jones and Josh Scobee. If I have to watch Reggie Williams do one of his stupid dances after a 4 yard catch one more time I am going to explode. I realize that a play or 2 here or there could have us at 5-2 or 6-1. I love these guys but it is very frustrating to watch this week after week, year after year. GO JAGS!
Haha, year after year?! I dunno man...i share the intensity of your frustrations, but I think you've gone a little far acting like we've struggled for decades. For a franchise thats played 13 seasons, we've had more than a reasonable amount of success. Don't act like we're the Cubs or Clippers or Arizona Cardinals...or any team from Cleveland. Those guys have all suffered for lifetimes (or more).
forgot to end with a...GO JAGS!
I think the coaches do have accept some of the blame on this one, as some one said why were they trying to keep running up the middle, it hadnt work the entire game. The Zebras cant be blamed on this one, the Jags D made stupid mistakes and were not keeping the gaps and were just man handle up front,,poor tackling once again and did anyone see how far ahead Edwards was on Mathis on that bomb. How does he get beat like that and were was the safety. I think offense is the only reason the point spread has been 7 or less. As far as the receivers go they are getting open. Referring to Porter and Williams, but whats happening is DG is usually running for his life or he is just not scanning the field well. If you have dvr or tivo tape the game and you will see. Granted DG doesnt have time like we have, but he's not scanning the field well,because on occasion he has had time and eithers runs after he sees Matts not open or throws it away. IMO this season is over you cant possibly think the Jags will beat Tenn, Houston, and Indy when they play again. Also they are likey to lose 2 or more againts the remaining NFC teams, not to mention the Ravens at the End of the year.
The defensive line I think is where the first problems is Henderson, Spicer, Meir, etc these guys seem to be past their prime. We can only hope that Grooves and Harvey will continue to improve over time, and our offense will get another Jimmy Smith, Matt Jones has step up, but he's no Jimmy. I am glad to see some one step up on that receiving core. Williamson and Walker my be next.(if they stay heatlthy) Still dont know whats up the million dollar Porter. In the end can you believe after all what happen Sunday we still had a chance to win. Go Jags!!!!
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 27, 2008, 09:28:36 PM
I think the coaches do have accept some of the blame on this one, as some one said why were they trying to keep running up the middle, it hadnt work the entire game. The Zebras cant be blamed on this one, the Jags D made stupid mistakes and were not keeping the gaps and were just man handle up front,,poor tackling once again and did anyone see how far ahead Edwards was on Mathis on that bomb. How does he get beat like that and were was the safety. I think offense is the only reason the point spread has been 7 or less. As far as the receivers go they are getting open. Referring to Porter and Williams, but whats happening is DG is usually running for his life or he is just not scanning the field well. If you have dvr or tivo tape the game and you will see. Granted DG doesnt have time like we have, but he's not scanning the field well,because on occasion he has had time and eithers runs after he sees Matts not open or throws it away. IMO this season is over you cant possibly think the Jags will beat Tenn, Houston, and Indy when they play again. Also they are likey to lose 2 or more againts the remaining NFC teams, not to mention the Ravens at the End of the year.
The defensive line I think is where the first problems is Henderson, Spicer, Meir, etc these guys seem to be past their prime. We can only hope that Grooves and Harvey will continue to improve over time, and our offense will get another Jimmy Smith, Matt Jones has step up, but he's no Jimmy. I am glad to see some one step up on that receiving core. Williamson and Walker my be next.(if they stay heatlthy) Still dont know whats up the million dollar Porter. In the end can you believe after all what happen Sunday we still had a chance to win. Go Jags!!!!
You first said the coaches have to accept blame, and then your entire post blamed the players! Like I said, I think it's up to the players so I agree with most of what you said. As far as the season being over, my point was that I think we can run the table on our division. I think we can win against the packers and vikings, and at baltimore and chicago. But we won't unless we play a good bit better. I don't know what it will take, but it can happen. Doesn't look likely, but all it takes is a few guys to start clicking, and certain units meshing well. We'll see. My other point was that, even if our record was 5-2 or even 6-1, if we can't step up and get hot at the end of the year and beat the aforementioned teams, then even if we secured a playoff berth we wouldn't get very far in the postseason anyway.
Recap: season's not over, players need to play better, if we aren't 5-4 going into the game against tennessee then yes, the season will be over at that point.
If you want, you guys can take Wilford back. At least Porter dresses out on Sundays. Wilford is in street clothes and stealing money in Miami.
Tennessee is up on Indy big late. It looks like the Jags will fall another game behind the undefeated Titans.
Was there a flyover? Who did it - since it was Airshow time in the city?
OCKLAWAHA
Titans did WIN,,and I do belive its a combination of players and coaches. Of course the players have to perform and some of them havent done that. I really thought INDY would beat the Titans.
Does any one really think the Jags will beat the Texans in Houston, beat Indy at home, beat the Ravens in Baltimore? I know its possible, but with they way they are playing why would one think that. I am just being realistic I dont think they have that swagger this yr. We will see. Go Jags!!!
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 28, 2008, 01:00:10 AM
Does any one really think the Jags will beat the Texans in Houston, beat Indy at home, beat the Ravens in Baltimore? I know its possible, but with they way they are playing why would one think that. I am just being realistic I dont think they have that swagger this yr. We will see. Go Jags!!!
nah, don't twist my words. I dont personally think it will happen, but i think it's reasonable to believe it.
ah well, we will see. i will be rooting hard for a turnaround in the next couple weeks. but theres no catching up with the titans this year.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 27, 2008, 10:52:34 PM
If you want, you guys can take Wilford back. At least Porter dresses out on Sundays. Wilford is in street clothes and stealing money in Miami.
No kidding. I hate it when people say that the Jags miss Wilford.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 27, 2008, 11:26:31 PM
Tennessee is up on Indy big late. It looks like the Jags will fall another game behind the undefeated Titans.
We actually wanted Tennessee to win here. We hold the tie breaker on Indy. We are playing for the wild card and you can give any division title hopes up.
:) Wasnt twisting your words, statement made in general. Just watched the Titan/Colt game,,granted Titans are underfeated,but see the energy they had during the game. Dont see that in the Jags. If the Jags win the two the roads games,they must play the Titans with some swagger and energy. We will see and I will be there.
Quote from: Shwaz on October 27, 2008, 01:49:36 PM
Here we go with the blame the coaches crap.
Gregg Williams is dealing with the same problems we had last year.. PERSONEL. You're not going to just come right in and turn a couple rookies and a few old men into Bruce Smith in his prime. Go ahead and send the house.. safety/ corner blitzes have resulted in 1 thing over the last 2 years.. huge offensive gains.
If that doesn't work just blame Dirk K for running the ball up the middle on a team that ranks 24th in the league in rushing defense. We've seen 7 games that were decided by 7 points or less. A play here or there in any of those losses could've been the difference. Blame the 11 guys on the field, or injuries or the ref's... the coaches have called the right plays they just weren't executed.
Okay Shwaz, so ev'rything is on the players right??? IMO the only game that we deserved(or should've) lost was at TEN. We lost to both BUF, and PIT for the SAME REASONS; Not RUNNING the ball late in the game, is a COACHES mistake! BUF and PIT were PATIENT with the RUN late in the game, and that's how they won; Remember those THREE PASSES late against BUF that resulted in nada points?_Oh yeah Shwaz, everything is on the players; Please. Two VERY questionable calls vs. CLE; 3rd and 4, and we go for a deep bomb; The infamous 4th and 1 play wit' G. Jones gettin' stopped; Not to mention that "big play" reverse that resulted in like 1 yard. We should be 6-1, but we have RETARDED coaches, so that's why we're 3-4; Ultimately JDR hafta take the total blame for these follies. How bout running on the outside( or atleast testing), when the inside runs aren't working? How bout a Quick Out to M. Jones when the CB is playing like eight yards off of him? Yes CB and Safety blitzes WORK when they are timed properly; Just ask the Eagles, and the G-Men.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 28, 2008, 12:56:39 AM
I really thought INDY would beat the Titans.
Note to you Keith; The Titans are a very good team, and Indy sucks; I usually agree with what you say, but not on this one. I expected TEN to win.
QuoteNot RUNNING the ball late in the game, is a COACHES mistake!
Fred & Mojo ran the ball 22 times last week... for 53 yards. That's 2.4 per carry.
Should they have run it another 22 times while behind in points and time remaining? Garrard was on fire throwing - Shaun Rogers was on fire stopping up the run.
QuoteThe imfamous 4th and 1 play wit' G. Jones gettin' stopped
You were just asking for more rushes now you're complaining they ran the ball on 4th and 2 feet. :-\
The jags are 8 of 10 on 4th down attempts... umm i would say that good play calling AND good execution.
you're not going to get all of them
QuoteHow bout running on the outside
MJD and Mojo are not east/ west runners. They've even said it themselves over and over. They run North/ south and are pounders. That's what's made them the best tandem in the league the last 2 years along with a stout offensive-line which everyone can agree is depleted.
Did the coaches drop the ball for Jerry Porter?
Did the coaches not make their blocks in the running game?
Did the coaches botch the blocked field goal attempt?
Like I said before... a few plays converted in any of these losses could have changed the outcome.
^^^The reason why JAX lost to BUF and PIT (get the crust outta your eyes) is because of not running late; I DIDN'T say that's was the reason that we lost to CLE; I said that we should've tested the waters running on the outside vs. CLE; MJD and Freddie aren't lateral runners, but you hafta try it, and running up the gut ain't the answer; CLE's 3-4 sets up perfectly for JAX to run outside. Your "undecided face" 4th down reply was pretty weak, and laughable; Esp. running in a "bunch" formation to the best NT in football S. Rogers; If you agree with that call, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
The coaches see these players all week in practice. If they believed these RB's could turn the corner they would call the plays... just like if anyone could successfully sack the qb we'd bring the blitz a heckuva lot more and not get torched in the secondary.
QuoteI got a bridge
try running laterally on it
^^^Ohhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!__Mr Meany!!!!!!!That was cold!!! :P__That was pretty good; Is that all that you got?
QuoteIs that all that you got?
Pretty much... maybe it would've carried more weight if I used 230 exclamation points.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OOHHH MAN!!!!!!!!!!! WHO FEELS CRUNCHY NOW!!!!!!!!! YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: I-10east on October 28, 2008, 01:15:30 PM
Yes CB and Safety blitzes WORK when they are timed properly; Just ask the Eagles, and the G-Men.
So, that would be an issue with the PLAYERS then.
Your debate with Schwaz is entertaining and I don't entirely disagree with you, but in the end you sound like one of those stubborn fans who thinks he could coach a team. I wonder why NFL franchises aren't calling you...
Yea the Jaguars are not looking too good...not good at all, I did say the Brown would be trouble from the beginning of the season, but I thought the Bills and Titans would be the easy wins...boy was I wrong on that. Colts got their asses handed to them....Nothing is hurts worse then the Titans being good and the Jags being bad. Are people ready to see Jack go? Is the Mike Smith lose that big? Do they need Tug Mcgraw back in Jax? Where is Jerry Porter? Fred Taylor was a pro bowler last year. Is Garrard worth all the money he was paid? Will there be blackouts?
The fan base here is mainly bandwagoners and many have been injuried jumping off. The Jags have trouble selling out when they have a winning records. Its sad that once again we have an opposing team in good numbers in Jax. It was nothing like the steeler invasions, but the Brownies also travel well and they were 2 and 4. Jax fans are spoiled and not true fans. We do have good fans just not enough. I dont know if winning a SB will change that. In the stands so many fans are so frustrated with they way the Jags are playing. No one wants to lose, but geesh atleast go down fighting with all you got. Doesnt seem like we have it this yr and missing key player makers that make play consitently. Matt Jones seems to be the only players consitently playing well in every game. These next 2 games scare me, 2 winless teams imagine if we lose 1 or both of those games. I hope the Jags are mad now, maybe they'll play with some fire over the next two weeks. Go Jags
Random pond'ring...
If one built a high-rise next to the Jack, would be he/she able to watch the game for free?
A.e., Wrigley Field. Do they have to pay the stadium, or do people just pay the landlord to sit on top?
I guess there is nothing the stadium could do about it...
The future is bright!
Thanks for adding to the pondering ;)
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 28, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
We do have good fans just not enough.
Bingo. That takes a lot of time to cultivate. There are few new teams (not from the original AFL-NFL merger) that have a tried-and-true fanbase.
Quote from: Matt on October 28, 2008, 07:54:08 PM
Random pond'ring...
If one built a high-rise next to the Jack, would be he/she able to watch the game for free?
A.e., Wrigley Field. Do they have to pay the stadium, or do people just pay the landlord to sit on top?
I guess there is nothing the stadium could do about it...
The future is bright!
At Wrigley, the bars with rooftop views onto the field pay a hefty amount of their revenue to the Cubs organization. This agreement came after the Cubs threatened to obstruct views for the particular businesses that refused to share profits.
I found a link to the story in 2004, but I'm pretty sure there's been more recent development since. I particularly remember renewed threats in the area before this season began...
http://home.uchicago.edu/~jiarnold/Lead-Up%20to%20Opening%20Day.pdf
I've had jags tickets since day one. Unfortunately I'm not living in jax now so others are enjoying my seats. What irritates me is how I hear complaints about how expensive they are. My Mother is 78, retired and has 1 seat in the upper deck almost on th 50 yard line. She and 3 of her "little lady friends" go every week and wouldn'
t miss it for the world. Don't like the beer/mixed drink prices, don't buy them. Don't like the food prices, eat before you go. Though I think the outback food is a decent quantity at a reasonable price for a Major league event.
I rarely eat or drink at the game, going to the games is much more exciting than watching on tv IMO, but I know alot people say they cant afford to go and would go if they could. Go Jags beat the Bengals!!!!
Quote from: Shwaz on October 28, 2008, 02:33:15 PM
Pretty much... maybe it would've carried more weight if I used 230 exclamation points.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OOHHH MAN!!!!!!!!!!! WHO FEELS CRUNCHY NOW!!!!!!!!! YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I BACKED up ev'rything that I said; You didn't; You told me to jump off of the Brooklyn Bridge, or go play in traffic as a cop-out to the argument; If you're gonna start an e-fight with me, atleast finish it like a man! You're lucky that I only currently have internet at the library, or else this "e-fight" would have already been OVER; I ENJOY makin' you look silly; You feel (an eighties phrase BTW) crunchy now!!!!!!!!__ :o ::) :o
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 28, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
The fan base here is mainly bandwagoners and many have been injuried jumping off. The Jags have trouble selling out when they have a winning records. Its sad that once again we have an opposing team in good numbers in Jax. It was nothing like the steeler invasions, but the Brownies also travel well and they were 2 and 4. Jax fans are spoiled and not true fans. We do have good fans just not enough. I dont know if winning a SB will change that. In the stands so many fans are so frustrated with they way the Jags are playing. No one wants to lose, but geesh atleast go down fighting with all you got. Doesnt seem like we have it this yr and missing key player makers that make play consitently. Matt Jones seems to be the only players consitently playing well in every game. These next 2 games scare me, 2 winless teams imagine if we lose 1 or both of those games. I hope the Jags are mad now, maybe they'll play with some fire over the next two weeks. Go Jags
Mainly bandwagoners? Not true fans? Do you go to games? There are thousands of us out there every Sunday tailgating and cheering on the team win or lose. We have a passionate fan base. Unfortunately, we do not have alot of corporate support for the Jaguars at the moment. That is the biggest problem.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 28, 2008, 05:32:49 PM
So, that would be an issue with the PLAYERS then.
Your debate with Schwaz is entertaining and I don't entirely disagree with you, but in the end you sound like one of those stubborn fans who thinks he could coach a team. I wonder why NFL franchises aren't calling you...
Thanks for the remarks PM; Are the Jags players underachieving in MANY ways?__Yes; Are the coaches effing up with the play calling?__You betcha; Just look back on my posts wit' the BAD play calling; That's only a FRACTION of the BAD calls; IMO it doesn't matter what players you have (to an extent of course) but if the plays aren't effective, you're gonna lose. No PM, I'm not a "know-it-all" or whatever; I just call em' like I see em'.
To "Mr Meany" Shwaz (dumb screenname BTW) Fred Taylor has gotten most of his great runs running on a cutback to the outside; Remember the MIA playoff blowout; So he HAS gotten success (granted, he's not in his prime like he once was) running on the outside before; MJD I bet can also run on the outside; Remember, MJD picked up a 1st down on the ONLY outside run vs. CLE. You'd never know, (runnin' outside) if we don't try it; Shwaz, we couldn't run on the inside vs. CLE, so whatcha think we should've did, just keep passing, and get #9 killed??
:D Now I'm Mr. Meany in an "e-fight"
I-10 E you haven't backed up jack!
Now you're talking about a FT cutbacks in a playoff game 10 years ago :D
Garrard was throwing the ball perfectly last week so why would you experiment (late in the game) with rushing to the corners with a 99% chance of going three & out on your last drives?
QuoteMJD I bet can also run on the outside
enough to be your trailer on it? :-*
Quote from: Shwaz on October 29, 2008, 02:16:33 PM
:D Now I'm Mr. Meany in an "e-fight"
I-10 E you haven't backed up jack!
Now you're talking about a FT cutbacks in a playoff game 10 years ago :D
Garrard was throwing the ball perfectly last week so why would you experiment (late in the game) with rushing to the corners with a 99% chance of going three & out on your last drives?
QuoteMJD I bet can also run on the outside
enough to be your trailer on it? :-*
Okay, I'll give you that FT ain't the same like a decade ago (which I already had mentioned BTW); Other than that Shwaz, you STILL haven't backed up anything. BTW, explain MJD's first down run (the Jags ONLY outside run) on the outside?? So you like the gameplan of running in the middle, getting stopped, and passing for a very high percentage??__I'm surprised that we didn't get sacked even more with that stupid game plan. You're a genius.___ ::)
BTW, I live in North Riverside, an old, and very urban area with no traliers to my knowledge. :)
QuoteI'll give you that FT ain't the same like a decade ago
and the offensive line and defense isn't either... nor ar the rb's east & west runners.
QuoteBTW, explain MJD's first down run (the Jags ONLY outside run) on the outside??
It was a great PLAY CALL - the defense was looking for the run off right tackle and MJD got 2-3 yards which was just enough for the first down. Even that play had mild sucess against a completely fooled defense... doesn't
back up running the corners
:) Yes cooperfiend I go to all games(home games) if I am not out of town. The Buffalo game I missed because I was in New York. Last yr missed 4 home games, couldnt get tickets for the San Diego game and was out of town on the rest of them. During the Atlanta preseason game I sat in the nose bleed section, there actually not bad seats. Normally I sit in the 203 section though. I hope the Jags can turn the season around quick or we probably will have blackouts next season. Go Jags!!
Quote from: Shwaz on October 29, 2008, 02:43:30 PM
It was a great PLAY CALL - the defense was looking for the run off right tackle and MJD got 2-3 yards which was just enough for the first down. Even that play had mild sucess against a completely fooled defense... doesn't back up running the corners
Let me school you a lil'; CLE plays a 3-4 defense; Who would you rather face; At minimum, one or two weaker LB's that G. Jones and Guards could block wit' MJD runnin' on the corners avoiding S. Rogers, or S. Rogers up the gut who we couldn't block ALL DAY??
Quit saying that STUPID non-east/west runner crap!! Oh yeah, MJD, and Freddie will just evaporate when then past the hashmarks! ::) ::) ::)
Fist of all their are 4 linebackers in a 3-4 scheme.. not 2. These 4 linebacker have full range of view of the play and can stop the gaps on the line or run to the corners as soon as it develops. Let's says you block the LB's behind them you have help from the strong safety and corners who close even faster.
The 3-4 plays zone "man to man" coverage with the strong safety in or near the box. With zone coverage any team is going to throw the ball more. We did effectively.
Check a book out about defensive schemes while your at the library..
ooooh, SNAP!
Quote from: Shwaz on October 30, 2008, 01:05:58 PM
Check a book out about defensive schemes while your at the library..
Irony
Quote from: Shwaz on October 30, 2008, 01:05:58 PM
Fist of all their are 4 linebackers in a 3-4 scheme.. not 2. These 4 linebacker have full range of view of the play and can stop the gaps on the line or run to the corners as soon as it develops. Let's says you block the LB's behind them you have help from the strong safety and corners who close even faster.
The 3-4 plays zone "man to man" coverage with the strong safety in or near the box. With zone coverage any team is going to throw the ball more. We did effectively.
Check a book out about defensive schemes while your at the library..
The other two LB's on the opposite side are on the OTHER side of the field you genius; You're really a freakin' Einstein you know!__What you said is just like saying that shooting a 50 meter military target is the same like shooting a 100 meter target; All of the LB's DON'T have the same range defending a sweep to the outside!! YOU need to go to the library! What I'm arguing, you can disagree if you wanna but you CANNOT deny that I'm making a valid point!! Oh yeah; You need to block ALL of the freakin' LB's on the field when your team runs a weak-side HB Sweep, or HB Toss__ ::) ;D ;D__Note to Shass; The two strong-side LB's are for the most part OUTTA THE PLAY; MJD or Freddie taking on a safety is a BIG DIFFERENCE than taking on a DT, or NG you idiot!! By time that the opposite-side LB's get to the play (and average blocking), Hell MJD already got atleast five yards!! Keep on responding to me Shass, and I'll keep defending myself relentlessly; I got NOTHING else to do!__Dummy!!___::) ::)
That was the biggest bunch of nonsense... and this argument is stale.
Quotein the end you sound like one of those stubborn fans who thinks he could coach a team. I wonder why NFL franchises aren't calling you...
Keep yelling at the tv and blame the coaches for everything that goes wrong. Call the JSO hotline and tell them you think DelRio should be investigated in the Coliier shooting... because he's trying to kill the team.
Come on guys, keep it cordial.
^^I'll try Jason; That guy is UNBELIEVABLE!! I even explained to my younger brother (who don't know much about football BTW) OBJECTIVELY about the LB range scenario, and he agreed wit' me that they DON'T have the same range on a toss, or sweep play; That's to obvious!!!!!!
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QuoteI even explained to my younger brother (who don't know much about football BTW)
I see the relation
^^Hahaha!!!That's a good one; Talk about football Shwaz; You STILL haven't defended yourself; Explain the LB scenario; You're STUMPED like Sam!! :)
QuoteFist of all their are 4 linebackers in a 3-4 scheme.. not 2. These 4 linebacker have full range of view of the play and can stop the gaps on the line or run to the corners as soon as it develops. Let's says you block the LB's behind them you have help from the strong safety and corners who close even faster.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 28, 2008, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 28, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
We do have good fans just not enough.
Bingo. That takes a lot of time to cultivate. There are few new teams (not from the original AFL-NFL merger) that have a tried-and-true fanbase.
And those team are?
Quote from: Coolyfett on October 31, 2008, 04:25:00 PM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 28, 2008, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 28, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
We do have good fans just not enough.
Bingo. That takes a lot of time to cultivate. There are few new teams (not from the original AFL-NFL merger) that have a tried-and-true fanbase.
And those team are?
Haha, you might have a point. Maybe there aren't any. I said few simply to make a point, but now that I think about it, perhaps I should've said none.
Here's a list of the teams that have relocated to an entirely new market or have expanded since the merger:
Indy Colts
Arizona Cards
St Louis Rams
Tenn Titans
TB Bucs
Seattle Seahawks
Carolina Panthers
Baltimore Ravens (although they did have a team back in the early NFL days)
Houston Texans
and us Jaguars.
From the outside, I'd guess that it seems the Bucs, Seahawks, Panthers, and Ravens have very good fans. But not the "tried-and-true" kind...and I don't really know. I have no facts to back that up, just my opinion.
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2008, 03:05:44 PM
QuoteI even explained to my younger brother (who don't know much about football BTW)
I see the relation
I thought you almost crossed the line with the Collier joke, but this made up for it.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 31, 2008, 06:38:22 PM
Quote from: Coolyfett on October 31, 2008, 04:25:00 PM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 28, 2008, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 28, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
We do have good fans just not enough.
Bingo. That takes a lot of time to cultivate. There are few new teams (not from the original AFL-NFL merger) that have a tried-and-true fanbase.
And those team are?
Haha, you might have a point. Maybe there aren't any. I said few simply to make a point, but now that I think about it, perhaps I should've said none.
Here's a list of the teams that have relocated to an entirely new market or have expanded since the merger:
Indy Colts
Arizona Cards
St Louis Rams
Tenn Titans
TB Bucs
Seattle Seahawks
Carolina Panthers
Baltimore Ravens (although they did have a team back in the early NFL days)
Houston Texans
and us Jaguars.
From the outside, I'd guess that it seems the Bucs, Seahawks, Panthers, and Ravens have very good fans. But not the "tried-and-true" kind...and I don't really know. I have no facts to back that up, just my opinion.
I figured the list would look like that. I want to point out something I really hate dude.
6 out of 32 teams have never been to the Superbowl, goes who is apart of the "Sad Six"?
Bucs, Seahawks, Panthers & Ravens have all been to a Superbowl, Bucs and Ravens won a Superbowl. The Jaguars have to get out of the "sad six" I hate that we are in that group with those losers!!! If the Titans or Panthers win a Superbowl it will be worse, Ill start feeling like a Cubs fan......Now thats pain!
Quote from: copperfiend on October 29, 2008, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 28, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
The fan base here is mainly bandwagoners and many have been injuried jumping off. The Jags have trouble selling out when they have a winning records. Its sad that once again we have an opposing team in good numbers in Jax. It was nothing like the steeler invasions, but the Brownies also travel well and they were 2 and 4. Jax fans are spoiled and not true fans. We do have good fans just not enough. I dont know if winning a SB will change that. In the stands so many fans are so frustrated with they way the Jags are playing. No one wants to lose, but geesh atleast go down fighting with all you got. Doesnt seem like we have it this yr and missing key player makers that make play consitently. Matt Jones seems to be the only players consitently playing well in every game. These next 2 games scare me, 2 winless teams imagine if we lose 1 or both of those games. I hope the Jags are mad now, maybe they'll play with some fire over the next two weeks. Go Jags
Mainly bandwagoners? Not true fans? Do you go to games? There are thousands of us out there every Sunday tailgating and cheering on the team win or lose. We have a passionate fan base. Unfortunately, we do not have alot of corporate support for the Jaguars at the moment. That is the biggest problem.
I think bandwagoner is too harsh of an accusation. But I wouldn't call Jags fans passionate or devoted either.
Browns fans were way more excited throughout the game. Being a Cleveland fan myself, we know how to handle losing seasons. Year after year and regardless of what the team looks like, we're going to be watching and going to all the games to support them. Clev has sold out every home game since coming back in '99. Which, considering the weather in Cleveland in Nov and Dec, is sacrificing a lot.
The weather was beautiful last Sunday but the game still (from what I hear) was nearly blacked out if not for a last hour buyout. It takes more than buying a shirt to be a fan. It's taking bumps and bruises with your team even when they're losing. BTW, the Browns have
never made it to the Super Bowl...
The Bucs also have won a SB just thought I add that. As far as the Browns fans being more excited well they did have more to cheer about during the game. The Jags have to give us a reason to cheer and the fans were more than into the game on that final drive. It will interesting to see how this yr and next yr plays out. The Jags also lack the same thing the fans lack and thats consitency.
Quote from: midnightblackrx on November 01, 2008, 01:00:45 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on October 29, 2008, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 28, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
The fan base here is mainly bandwagoners and many have been injuried jumping off. The Jags have trouble selling out when they have a winning records. Its sad that once again we have an opposing team in good numbers in Jax. It was nothing like the steeler invasions, but the Brownies also travel well and they were 2 and 4. Jax fans are spoiled and not true fans. We do have good fans just not enough. I dont know if winning a SB will change that. In the stands so many fans are so frustrated with they way the Jags are playing. No one wants to lose, but geesh atleast go down fighting with all you got. Doesnt seem like we have it this yr and missing key player makers that make play consitently. Matt Jones seems to be the only players consitently playing well in every game. These next 2 games scare me, 2 winless teams imagine if we lose 1 or both of those games. I hope the Jags are mad now, maybe they'll play with some fire over the next two weeks. Go Jags
Mainly bandwagoners? Not true fans? Do you go to games? There are thousands of us out there every Sunday tailgating and cheering on the team win or lose. We have a passionate fan base. Unfortunately, we do not have alot of corporate support for the Jaguars at the moment. That is the biggest problem.
I think bandwagoner is too harsh of an accusation. But I wouldn't call Jags fans passionate or devoted either.
Browns fans were way more excited throughout the game. Being a Cleveland fan myself, we know how to handle losing seasons. Year after year and regardless of what the team looks like, we're going to be watching and going to all the games to support them. Clev has sold out every home game since coming back in '99. Which, considering the weather in Cleveland in Nov and Dec, is sacrificing a lot.
The weather was beautiful last Sunday but the game still (from what I hear) was nearly blacked out if not for a last hour buyout. It takes more than buying a shirt to be a fan. It's taking bumps and bruises with your team even when they're losing. BTW, the Browns have never made it to the Super Bowl...
Sure, they have never made a Super Bowl but they still have a rich history including having the greatest player in NFL history.
Bernie Kosar was a great player, no doubt. But to call him the Greatest player is a little over the top, even for me ;)
Quote from: midnightblackrx on November 01, 2008, 08:51:38 PM
Bernie Kosar was a great player, no doubt. But to call him the Greatest player is a little over the top, even for me ;)
Not sure if your wink is cause your entire post was just a joke...but I'm thinking copper meant Jim Brown. And I'm not gonna argue with him in that case.