Clearly this week things finally started to get real for people. No sports! Tom Hanks!
We are starting to see the effects locally with first cases and many events cancelled. Hopefully, it will not be too bad here health wise but I fear at the very least, some small businesses will not be able to withstand a prolonged event.
Personally, I went to Publix today and the run on certain things had clearly started. The cashier even booted two of my boxes of Kleenex! My bad, didn't realize there was a limit of 2. Could get interesting soon.
On the entertainment front, We went out to dinner last night and it was pretty busy...didn't notice much difference.We are currently on the fence on whether we will dramatically reduce activity...of course it may not be our choice in the coming days/weeks.
Crazy times.
The public, at the urging of the media and politicans, have gone bat-crap crazy. There are less that 1400 active cases in the entire US. I'm not changing anything about my life that I have control over. Was supposed to go to a concert tonight but that got canceled and then was headed to the St Pete Grand Prix tomorrow, but that is also cancelled. So guess we'll just go garage sales tomorrow. Flying to Chicago on Monday for work.
I guarantee there are more than 1400 cases in the US. With the way testing has been royally effed up, we have no idea how many cases there are. Some countries are conducting more tests EVERY DAY than the US has done in total. Also, federal and state health officials are being secretive about potential cases.
Did you see the Mayor's presser at noon? The guy from JFRD (I tuned in late, was he a JFRD, or Union, spokesperson) was clearly pissed they had not been advised they were responding to a potential COVID-19 case. Had they been told, they first-responders could have worn appropriate protective gear.
My wife and I are "elderly" (but not super-elderly >80) and have underlying health conditions. We have family members who are immune compromised due to their own underlying health conditions. We have other family members, and close friends, who work in local hospitals. Am I bat-shit crazy? Don't think so, but do have heightened concern.
Even if you don't "get" COVID-19, you can transmit it to others. So, be careful out there.
Can't comment on the media, but the reason for cancelling stuff is to limit the spread of the virus and try to get hospitals from being overwhelmed.
I don't think we are bat shit crazy at all. In fact, we may turn out to be bat shit crazy for under estimating the seriousness of our current situation. There are reports of people exposed to the virus being told they are not in "the class of people approved for testing". If you come in contact with a person who has tested positive for CV, why are health officials telling people who haven't been overseas they can't be tested? That is bat shit crazy! In this country, no matter the subject, politics out weighs science. Nobel prize winning scientists are called alarmist, socialist leaning weirdos by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, and our "non main stream" media. If you want to believe entertainers over scientists, you are surely BSC.
Quote from: Snaketoz on March 13, 2020, 03:13:14 PM
I don't think we are bat shit crazy at all. In fact, we may turn out to be bat shit crazy for under estimating the seriousness of our current situation. There are reports of people exposed to the virus being told they are not in "the class of people approved for testing". If you come in contact with a person who has tested positive for CV, why are health officials telling people who haven't been overseas they can't be tested? That is bat shit crazy! In this country, no matter the subject, politics out weighs science. Nobel prize winning scientists are called alarmist, socialist leaning weirdos by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, and our "non main stream" media. If you want to believe entertainers over scientists, you are surely BSC.
Well, if it makes Limbaugh, Hannity, etc feel any better, our right wing government over here has decided to allow 60% (at least) of the population to contract the virus in order to build 'herd immunity'. Who cares about all the old and unwell people who will die doing this! And I totally believe that this has nothing to do with protecting the economy. I guess after shooting themselves (and the economy) in the foot with Brexit, they don't want to take any more chances...
My wife's grandmother is in an assisted living facility in Jax. One of the residents there apparently tested positive, so they're not allowing visitors.
Quote from: Adam White on March 13, 2020, 03:48:23 PM
Well, if it makes Limbaugh, Hannity, etc feel any better, our right wing government over here has decided to allow 60% (at least) of the population to contract the virus in order to build 'herd immunity'. Who cares about all the old and unwell people who will die doing this! And I totally believe that this has nothing to do with protecting the economy. I guess after shooting themselves (and the economy) in the foot with Brexit, they don't want to take any more chances...
Sources??? Let me guess, Buzzfeed....It's the other side that said Trump is racist for banning travel from China in the midst of this coronavirus.... It's CNN and MSNBC that went into fearmonger overdrive with this situation...Screw the economy, trying to create world diplomacy, common sense etc, everything is about racial social injustices (or lack of) with the looney left, absolutely everything.
Quote from: I-10east on March 14, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
Quote from: Adam White on March 13, 2020, 03:48:23 PM
Well, if it makes Limbaugh, Hannity, etc feel any better, our right wing government over here has decided to allow 60% (at least) of the population to contract the virus in order to build 'herd immunity'. Who cares about all the old and unwell people who will die doing this! And I totally believe that this has nothing to do with protecting the economy. I guess after shooting themselves (and the economy) in the foot with Brexit, they don't want to take any more chances...
Sources??? Let me guess, Buzzfeed....It's the other side that said Trump is racist for banning travel from China in the midst of this coronavirus.... It's CNN and MSNBC that went into fearmonger overdrive with this situation...Screw the economy, trying to create world diplomacy, common sense etc, everything is about racial social injustices (or lack of) with the looney left, absolutely everything.
There's a certain irony about a guy who regularly relies on YouTube as a source complaining about Buzzfeed.
Believe it or not, I might actually be a bit more attuned to what's happening in the UK. But you asked for a source, so:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402
QuoteIn an open letter, a group of 229 scientists from UK universities say the government's current approach will put the NHS under additional stress and "risk many more lives than necessary".
The signatories also criticised comments made by Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, about managing the spread of the infection to make the population immune.
https://www.ft.com/content/38a81588-6508-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5
Quote
But Sir Patrick told Sky News that experts estimated that about 60 per cent of the UK's 66m population would have to contract coronavirus in order for society to build up immunity.
"Communities will become immune to it and that's going to be an important part of controlling this longer term," he said. "About 60 per cent is the sort of figure you need to get herd immunity."
In another interview with the BBC, Sir Patrick said: "If you suppress something very, very hard, when you release those measures it bounces back and it bounces back at the wrong time."
He added: "Our aim is to try to reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it."
^^^My bad. You were talking about the UK (where you are at now) not the US. Sorry about that (I got confused when you mentioned Hannity and Limbaugh, American media figures). That depopulation ploy in the UK is absolutely insane.
Quote from: I-10east on March 15, 2020, 06:02:23 PM
^^^My bad. You were talking about the UK (where you are at now) not the US. Sorry about that (I got confused when you mentioned Hannity and Limbaugh, American media figures). That depopulation ploy in the UK is absolutely insane.
No worries. I apologise for getting my back up so easily.
Looks like our gov't might be making some changes, owing to backlash. But I still think we're not going to see mass quarantines like other countries are doing.
Sounds as if the Mayor is considering acting to shut down restaurants & bars, if I'm translating his tweets correctly.
If the governor doesn't do it first, I guess.
For those of us avoiding Twitter, care to summarize?
Looking at his twitter feed....
Councilman Sam Newby has tested positive and is in St. Vincent's. Councilman Randy White visited him within the last 48 hours and is now in self isolation.
Beginning Tuesday, grab and go lunch and snacks will be available for students at curbside near their nearest school location
Curry will provide a live update to media tomorrow morning after a special council meeting on the state of emergency
Curry was disappointed to see pictures of large gatherings with wall to wall people all over town this weekend
Says COJ has the ability to implement curfews, restrict patrons at businesses and/or close them if necessary to protect the community
Thanks.
Will they limit attendance at Council meeting (now 17 members, temporarily) to 50, to comply with the CDC guidance?
Awaiting published notice from the Mayor, but he just announced he is establishing the CDC guidance against having groups of more than 50 people. Exceptions for medical, pharmacy and food distribution.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on March 16, 2020, 12:38:38 PM
Awaiting published notice from the Mayor, but he just announced he is establishing the CDC guidance against having groups of more than 50 people. Exceptions for medical, pharmacy and food distribution.
The City backtracked that almost immediately to make it only apply to social-type gatherings like restaurants, bars, etc. I'm sure we'll be shutdown completely in just a few days, but how can these leaders not get their messaging right when giving scripted talks?
Is it possible to get the actual Executive Order - or whatever it is? I've read the twitter conversation about it, and it seems the answer keeps changing. Despite what the Mayor said at his press conference, where only grocery stores and pharmacies were exempt, it only seems to apply to entertainment and religious venues. Office buildings (like City Hall?) apparently are not included, now. Seems Curry is taking Messaging Efficiency and Accuracy as an extension course from Trump University.
What exactly is it about coronovirus that people are afraid of?
That it is spreading quickly, we have no vaccine or treatment, and it kills at a much higher rate than the seasonal flu - to which it is often, improperly, compared. Also, it can cause pneumonia or other severe respiratory distress, requiring ventilators and ICU stays. Experts are worried the medical system will be overwhelmed as the number of patients outnumbers the available ventilators and ICU beds.
But, I don't get the run on TP.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
https://www.news4jax.com/health/2020/03/16/220-riverside-residents-find-out-neighboor-tested-positive-for-covid-19/
Quote from: Charles Hunter on March 16, 2020, 07:31:25 PM
That it is spreading quickly, we have no vaccine or treatment, and it kills at a much higher rate than the seasonal flu - to which it is often, improperly, compared. Also, it can cause pneumonia or other severe respiratory distress, requiring ventilators and ICU stays. Experts are worried the medical system will be overwhelmed as the number of patients outnumbers the available ventilators and ICU beds.
But, I don't get the run on TP.
All that is only true for a very small percentage of people. The vast majority don't even know they have it or have symptoms that only last a few hours.
You could have already had it and not even know it.
(https://miro.medium.com/max/6676/1*OZfW6tNEcArbnBzTXp_zbw.png)
Holy shit, 96 million cases and half a million deaths? In two months?
Quote from: Kerry on March 16, 2020, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on March 16, 2020, 07:31:25 PM
That it is spreading quickly, we have no vaccine or treatment, and it kills at a much higher rate than the seasonal flu - to which it is often, improperly, compared. Also, it can cause pneumonia or other severe respiratory distress, requiring ventilators and ICU stays. Experts are worried the medical system will be overwhelmed as the number of patients outnumbers the available ventilators and ICU beds.
But, I don't get the run on TP.
All that is only true for a very small percentage of people. The vast majority don't even know they have it or have symptoms that only last a few hours.
You could have already had it and not even know it.
For fuck's sake Kerry, if this actually wasn't a big deal, don't you think it would be treated as such? Have you not considered that maybe people don't want to watch their parents, or grandparents, or immune-suppressed friends and family die if they don't have to? Do you think Italy and South Korea and Canada and all these other places have all just decided to shut down for the hell of it?
If nothing else, do the math. A "very small percentage" of a
very large population is still a
lot of people. We don't design hospitals for pandemic capacity. Have some empathy. And self-distance.
If any of you heard, live, Trump's press conference today you know how screwed we are with this clown in charge. Sorry to bring politics to this board, but the entire response (by the Trump administration), every word since January 30, is on video tape (or Twitter). The hubris and ignorance combined are breathless. John Oliver has two "Last Week Tonight" segments devoted to the corona virus and they are quite informative, funny, and sadly, pathetic. Especially Trump advisor Larry Kudlow's comments.....
Last I heard, approx 15% of cases require hospitalisation. If, say, 30% of the US population gets the virus, then more than 14.5 million people will need hospitalisation. And that's on top of the normal people requiring medical help (and all the newly sick people going to ER or their doctor because they aren't feeling well - yet don't need to be hospitalised).
So yeah, even if you aren't worried about your health, you should still be concerned about the effects of this virus.
Quote from: Kerry on March 16, 2020, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on March 16, 2020, 07:31:25 PM
That it is spreading quickly, we have no vaccine or treatment, and it kills at a much higher rate than the seasonal flu - to which it is often, improperly, compared. Also, it can cause pneumonia or other severe respiratory distress, requiring ventilators and ICU stays. Experts are worried the medical system will be overwhelmed as the number of patients outnumbers the available ventilators and ICU beds.
But, I don't get the run on TP.
All that is only true for a very small percentage of people. The vast majority don't even know they have it or have symptoms that only last a few hours.
You could have already had it and not even know it.
Pretty simply... this is EXACTLY the reason to "social distance " and take prudent measures. Apparently however there seems to be a cadre of people just like you who don't get it...
Often, I think Kerry is just pulling our legs. I hope his comments on Covid-19 are an example.
Quote from: marcuscnelson on March 16, 2020, 11:01:10 PM
Holy shit, 96 million cases and half a million deaths? In two months?
I'll bet you anything you want that we won't have 480,000 deaths by May 17th. China is a 3rd world country with poor sanitation, rampant lung diseases in every one, and substandard healthcare across the board and they only have 3,024 deaths.
This isn't the black plague. There won't be a Monty Python scene with a guy dragging a cart through your subdivision yelling, "Bring out your dead!"
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 17, 2020, 07:43:23 AM
Quote from: Kerry on March 16, 2020, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on March 16, 2020, 07:31:25 PM
That it is spreading quickly, we have no vaccine or treatment, and it kills at a much higher rate than the seasonal flu - to which it is often, improperly, compared. Also, it can cause pneumonia or other severe respiratory distress, requiring ventilators and ICU stays. Experts are worried the medical system will be overwhelmed as the number of patients outnumbers the available ventilators and ICU beds.
But, I don't get the run on TP.
All that is only true for a very small percentage of people. The vast majority don't even know they have it or have symptoms that only last a few hours.
You could have already had it and not even know it.
Pretty simply... this is EXACTLY the reason to "social distance " and take prudent measures. Apparently however there seems to be a cadre of people just like you who don't get it...
+1000
ProTip:
If you've got the means, desire, and risk-aversion to support small businesses, particularly downtown, consider picking up a couple of gift cards.
Will give cash flow a little boost for restaurants in the short-term, and you'll be able to use them as soon as it's safe and socially responsible to gather again :)
Quote from: Ken_FSU on March 17, 2020, 09:32:30 AM
ProTip:
If you've got the means, desire, and risk-aversion to support small businesses, particularly downtown, consider picking up a couple of gift cards.
Will give cash flow a little boost for restaurants in the short-term, and you'll be able to use them as soon as it's safe and socially responsible to gather again :)
Kerry, you seem pretty risk-averse, and seem to have the means. Get yourself out and buy gift cards from some small businesses.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on March 17, 2020, 09:40:09 AM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on March 17, 2020, 09:32:30 AM
ProTip:
If you've got the means, desire, and risk-aversion to support small businesses, particularly downtown, consider picking up a couple of gift cards.
Will give cash flow a little boost for restaurants in the short-term, and you'll be able to use them as soon as it's safe and socially responsible to gather again :)
Kerry, you seem pretty risk-averse, and seem to have the means. Get yourself out and buy gift cards from some small businesses.
I'm going to places that are open. Went to Top Golf on Sunday and it was nice going out to dinner Saturday night - no waiting. Trying now to find a restaurant that is actually open for lunch.
If this is true, and I 100% believe it is, we are totally wasting our time with social distancing and closing everything.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of-people-with-coronavirus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 12:02:29 PM
If this is true, and I 100% believe it is, we are totally wasting our time with social distancing and closing everything.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of-people-with-coronavirus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/
If 86% of suspected infected are undetected then social distancing makes even MORE sense! That means that people could be spreading the virus without even knowing they've got it. If 100% of cases were detected, easy. Just put those people in isolation/quarantine. But since most carriers are unknowingly carrying and spreading it, we gotta be more proactive in preventing the spread.
You've contradicted yourself with the source you provided. Nicely done!
He does it often. I am beginning to think that he doesn't believe half of the tripe he spouts...
Quote from: Peter Griffin on March 17, 2020, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 12:02:29 PM
If this is true, and I 100% believe it is, we are totally wasting our time with social distancing and closing everything.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of-people-with-coronavirus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/
If 86% of suspected infected are undetected then social distancing makes even MORE sense! That means that people could be spreading the virus without even knowing they've got it. If 100% of cases were detected, easy. Just put those people in isolation/quarantine. But since most carriers are unknowingly carrying and spreading it, we gotta be more proactive in preventing the spread.
You've contradicted yourself with the source you provided. Nicely done!
Then you didn't read it. We are socially distancing ourselves to protect us form a virus that doesn't do anything to 86% of the people that have it.
If you are afraid to get it then you can stay home. I'm enjoying the reduced crowds.
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 12:48:11 PM
Quote from: Peter Griffin on March 17, 2020, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 12:02:29 PM
If this is true, and I 100% believe it is, we are totally wasting our time with social distancing and closing everything.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of-people-with-coronavirus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/
If 86% of suspected infected are undetected then social distancing makes even MORE sense! That means that people could be spreading the virus without even knowing they've got it. If 100% of cases were detected, easy. Just put those people in isolation/quarantine. But since most carriers are unknowingly carrying and spreading it, we gotta be more proactive in preventing the spread.
You've contradicted yourself with the source you provided. Nicely done!
Then you didn't read it. We are socially distancing ourselves to protect us form a virus that doesn't do anything to 86% of the people that have it.
If you are afraid to get it then you can stay home. I'm enjoying the reduced crowds.
Maybe you should try thinking about somebody other than yourself.
Change your avatar to Typhoid Kerry :) :)
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 12:48:11 PM
Quote from: Peter Griffin on March 17, 2020, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 12:02:29 PM
If this is true, and I 100% believe it is, we are totally wasting our time with social distancing and closing everything.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/86-of-people-with-coronavirus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/
If 86% of suspected infected are undetected then social distancing makes even MORE sense! That means that people could be spreading the virus without even knowing they've got it. If 100% of cases were detected, easy. Just put those people in isolation/quarantine. But since most carriers are unknowingly carrying and spreading it, we gotta be more proactive in preventing the spread.
You've contradicted yourself with the source you provided. Nicely done!
Then you didn't read it. We are socially distancing ourselves to protect us form a virus that doesn't do anything to 86% of the people that have it.
If you are afraid to get it then you can stay home. I'm enjoying the reduced crowds.
1. That study only cites evidence from China and these are the authors of the study-Ruiyun Li, Sen Pei, Bin Chen, Yimeng Song, Tao Zhang, Wan Yang, Jeffrey Shaman. Nobody in the US with an IQ over 100 trusts anything coming out of China related to Covid-19.
2. Even if those figures are correct and only 14% of people develop serious symptoms, lets assume half of all Americans contract it. That is still approximately 23 million people. Let's then assume a conservative mortality rate of 5% during a mass outbreak (where the US medical network is strained and there are only 100-200k ventilators in service). We are looking at 1,155,000 dead Americans. Sure many of them may be older, but I'd sure like to have my parents around another 10-15 years.
Now we could certainly limit control of the spread and treat patients with it better than what was just suggested in the above scenario, but the fact that it only *potentially* produces symptoms in 14% of people that contract it is by no means something to scoff at.
Your parents aren't going to die.
Think of someone else besides myself? I just left a $20 tip for the waitress at Sonny's because after tomorrow, she'll need the money because people like you guys are afriad to go outside.
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
Your parents aren't going to die.
Think of someone else besides myself? I just left a $20 tip for the waitress at Sonny's because after tomorrow, she'll need the money because people like you guys are afriad to go outside.
Are you still only tipping at 10%??
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
Your parents aren't going to die.
Think of someone else besides myself? I just left a $20 tip for the waitress at Sonny's because after tomorrow, she'll need the money because people like you guys are afriad to go outside.
My parents might, though. And my wife's grandmother's assisted living facility currently has two reported cases (as of the most recent news I've heard). So her grandmother is at risk.
But glad to hear you got your barbecue, Daddy Warbucks.
Quote from: Adam White on March 17, 2020, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
Your parents aren't going to die.
Think of someone else besides myself? I just left a $20 tip for the waitress at Sonny's because after tomorrow, she'll need the money because people like you guys are afriad to go outside.
My parents might, though. And my wife's grandmother's assisted living facility currently has two reported cases (as of the most recent news I've heard). So her grandmother is at risk.
But glad to hear you got your barbecue, Daddy Warbucks.
I'm going to take it by your Warbucks comment, that you won't be able to financially endure what they are now saying could be 18 months of Social Distancing? If so, you aren't alone.
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-report-us-uk-strategies-e45bc5d4-d2f1-40e2-825e-429b2b7c1b50.html
Where is Glenn? We need hope and exuberance right now.
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 02:20:01 PM
Quote from: Adam White on March 17, 2020, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
Your parents aren't going to die.
Think of someone else besides myself? I just left a $20 tip for the waitress at Sonny's because after tomorrow, she'll need the money because people like you guys are afriad to go outside.
My parents might, though. And my wife's grandmother's assisted living facility currently has two reported cases (as of the most recent news I've heard). So her grandmother is at risk.
But glad to hear you got your barbecue, Daddy Warbucks.
I'm going to take it by your Warbucks comment, that you won't be able to financially endure what they are now saying could be 18 months of Social Distancing? If so, you aren't alone.
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-report-us-uk-strategies-e45bc5d4-d2f1-40e2-825e-429b2b7c1b50.html
I was joking about your "massive" tip. Not that $20 isn't a nice tip, but seemed like it didn't need to be advertised.
I am not too worried at this moment. We'll see what happens, but I'd be surprised if we're on lockdown for 18 months.
Kerry, you're hijacking the thread. Please stop. Thanks.
^Agreed.
Now's not the time for such toxicity.
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
Your parents aren't going to die.
EVeryone is going to die.
Bars and restaurants are now closed?
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 17, 2020, 06:38:18 PM
Bars and restaurants are now closed?
Just bars and nightclubs. I think I saw restaurants may be limited to 50% capacity but not sure on that one.
Quote from: Tacachale on March 17, 2020, 04:41:49 PM
Kerry, you're hijacking the thread. Please stop. Thanks.
Care to explain how?
Quote from: acme54321 on March 17, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 17, 2020, 06:38:18 PM
Bars and restaurants are now closed?
Just bars and nightclubs. I think I saw restaurants may be limited to 50% capacity but not sure on that one.
Desantis issued a statewide executive order today for bars, restaurants, and beaches.
-Bars with more than 50% of sales from liquor (4COP license) are closed for 30 days
-Restaurants are to limit their occupancy by 50%, only serve groups 10 or less, and ensure 6' of distance from different tables
-Beaches are to be limited to gatherings of less than 10 and maintain 6' between groups, and local governments are granted ability to close beaches as they see fit.
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on March 17, 2020, 04:41:49 PM
Kerry, you're hijacking the thread. Please stop. Thanks.
Care to explain how?
Because you're getting into a back and forth with everyone over your pretty idiosyncratic statements. Please do not do it again.
Crazy to see Lot J being transformed into a drive-through testing center.
Entire Town Center has been shut down.
All of Simon's retail properties have been shut down for the rest of the month.
And Trump was relying on the economy as his strength going into the Fall? Nicely played...
Quote from: MusicMan on March 18, 2020, 11:31:52 PM
And Trump was relying on the economy as his strength going into the Fall? Nicely played...
It's crazy, because if we'd just been proactive about this back in January, or even early February, this could have been under control enough to just be a slow burn without too bad a hit. But because the White House procrastinated on it until basically March, the spark reached the end of the fuse and here we are.
The shocking thing right now is how lucky Curry seems to be, with this whole crisis taking attention away from all the corruption. This might be to him what hurricanes were to Rick Scott.
Quote from: marcuscnelson on March 19, 2020, 02:59:31 AMThe shocking thing right now is how lucky Curry seems to be, with this whole crisis taking attention away from all the corruption. This might be to him what hurricanes were to Rick Scott.
Credit where it's due, Curry's doing a pretty good with this situation, in my opinion.
Maybe not the best guy for downtown revitalization, but in terms of crisis response, I feel good about his leadership thus far.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on March 19, 2020, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: marcuscnelson on March 19, 2020, 02:59:31 AMThe shocking thing right now is how lucky Curry seems to be, with this whole crisis taking attention away from all the corruption. This might be to him what hurricanes were to Rick Scott.
Credit where it's due, Curry's doing a pretty good with this situation, in my opinion.
Maybe not the best guy for downtown revitalization, but in terms of crisis response, I feel good about his leadership thus far.
I was actually thinking the same thing. I'm still pissed over downtown and the JEA fiasco. But, I think given that I believe the state and feds have had a number of missteps, Curry has done a very good job during this time.
Why did they stop alcohol sales at midnight? Could not get a beer at Daily's the other evening after 12....
Speaking of alcohol sales, I wonder if there could be a push to change the laws to allow establishment under 50 seats to serve alcohol. That could stimulate a lot of businesses once things get back to normal.
"Once things get back to normal..."?
Since it is impossible to predict that moment, we are in a seriously effed up situation. What businesses will remain? If this 'total shutdown' approach goes for 30 days or more there won't be a lot left to come back to.
Curry's budget will be changing:
QuoteAt a March 19 news conference, Curry acknowledged that the city likely would see lower than projected sales and property tax revenue with the economic slowdown created by the COVID-19 response.
He said priorities in his upcoming 2020-21 fiscal year budget will shift as result.
"It's a new day. Everything changed. That's the reality of where we are. What we were talking about in my upcoming budget three weeks ago will be significantly different than what we will present, and our focus will be on the safety of our people and our local economy in the upcoming year," Curry said.
Full article: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/curry-backs-federal-mortgage-payment-moratorium-says-city-budget-will-be-significantly-different
^ perhaps Lot J will serve as a drive-thru testing facility for months
Everyone doing ok?
Hanging in there?
Absolutely insane what a difference one week can make.
Schools closed. Restaurants, bars, beaches, and malls closed. Everyone worried about their jobs. Store shelves empty.
We're gonna come through this, but climate is pretty scary right now.
I'll be very interested to see the numbers next week with testing being ramped up. I do wonder if our overall lack of density helps the area flatten the curve.
Things are going to change big time as a result. There are going to need to be rethinking of our laws moving forward to help get these businesses back on their feet or get new players in the game.
I expect the large areas of really poor and poorly educated Jacksonville residents will have a detrimental effect on curbing the spread of this virus in those specific areas.
Looking at the beaches this past week and grocery stores this morning, I'm not so sure.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on March 20, 2020, 09:28:50 PM
Everyone doing ok?
Hanging in there?
Absolutely insane what a difference one week can make.
Schools closed. Restaurants, bars, beaches, and malls closed. Everyone worried about their jobs. Store shelves empty.
We're gonna come through this, but climate is pretty scary right now.
So far, so good.
We've been gathering for the past couple weeks, so the lack of groceries hasn't started affecting us.
She is getting used to working from home with a 4 y/o.
I've been working out of my home for almost a decade, so for me life hasn't changed that much. It's basically been like the first couple weeks as the kids start summer.
Job anxiety hasn't kicked in yet because it's been business as usual, but the signs of everything shutting down are there and I'm not sure when it's actually going to hit.
My wife and I have been working from home since Monday. Friday was the last day of school, so we'll have our boys here on Monday. We have some food - about as much as we can reasonably store in our very small house. Not stockpiling as such, but we did buy a few extra things this week.
My wife has had a cough for a few days. We are pretty sure it's just a cold - but she started feeling achy this afternoon and got a fever. So we're going to follow the gov't advice and self-isolate for 14 days. Not that we'd be going much of anywhere, but now we're going nowhere.
We're fortunate that we have jobs - but our gov't has announced that people who cannot work over this period can have 80% of their salary paid (up to £2500.00 per month). So that's a relief - if it's too difficult to work with both kids here, I can maybe not work and we can get by. And mortgage lenders are giving three month payment holidays if you ask, so there's always that.
I'm anxious about the virus, but I suffer from anxiety - so it's no surprise, really.
wishing you (and your family) the best Adam!
I'll tell you what, everyone in Duval county with a boat was practicing social distancing on it. Some better than others ::). I've never seen so many boats on the water in the 10 years that I've lived here. We went to a less popular spot (specifically to avoid crowds) that on a normal weekend has 2 or 3 boats pulled up. There must have been at least 10 when we left. Everyone where we were was keeping their space but I passed a few other groups that clearly didn't GAF.
Took a road trip yesterday as gas is cheap... Stopped at the Okeefenokee state park then drove some back roads through Georgia. Been biking a lot too... Baldwin trail is nice but can get crowded. You can ride for miles at the Equestrian center and never see another human... 8)
^Sounds pretty cool. This is the first time that a Sunday has felt like every other weekday to me. I'm going to knock out a transportation graphic for my firm and then do some biking and exploring in the old turpentine/truck farming areas around Hastings, Armstrong and Crescent Lake.
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 21, 2020, 06:51:44 PM
wishing you (and your family) the best Adam!
Thanks! Everything seems okay so far - if the missus has this thing, she's one of the people with mild symptoms.
I have a few friends in NYC, Seattle and Italy that have the virus. They've been sharing their experiences on text chains throughout this past week. Much of it has been focused on preparing everyone as if they'll catch it and how to deal with it, if it happens. I'll post a few screen shots in a few.
Lakelander #78 - please write about your "turpentine tour" when you get back? Adam White - kindest thoughts to you and your wife.
Just finished my deadline. About to head out now. Will do Sandyshoes. My great great grandfather worked in a turpentine camp out there back in 1900 and I promised some people, I'd do some Gullah Geechee research on a historic African-American farming community out there called Armstrong. So it should be fun.
Also, a few messages from friends in Seattle and NYC:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-t4v5Ggk/0/aefbbf7e/XL/NYCCorona1%5B1%5D-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-jfcQZKD/0/8d1ec457/X2/Seattlecorona1%5B1%5D-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-cRmXGFX/0/f439473d/X2/Seattlecorona2%5B1%5D-X2.jpg)
^Props for still squeezing in that cardio! ;D
Continue to be impressed by Curry's firm but measured response, resisting a curfew to avoid putting undue stress on the police force, but threatening to condemn and turn off utilities to any business flagrantly violating the work from home if possible/6 feet apart if not order.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/03/24/watch-live-mayor-lenny-curry-provides-briefing-on-coronavirus-response/
Not sure what you guys' experience has been like, but overall, I'm really proud of how the city's reacted and come together here in the last week and a half. Feels like it's being taken seriously by citizens and businesses, and at this point, new infections here in Duval don't seem to be growing as quickly as other areas.
Curry is certainly doing better at projecting confidence, competence, and understanding of the gravity of the situation. Very unlike his counterparts at the state and federal levels.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on March 24, 2020, 02:59:52 PM
Continue to be impressed by Curry's firm but measured response, resisting a curfew to avoid putting undue stress on the police force, but threatening to condemn and turn off utilities to any business flagrantly violating the work from home if possible/6 feet apart if not order.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/03/24/watch-live-mayor-lenny-curry-provides-briefing-on-coronavirus-response/
Not sure what you guys' experience has been like, but overall, I'm really proud of how the city's reacted and come together here in the last week and a half. Feels like it's being taken seriously by citizens and businesses, and at this point, new infections here in Duval don't seem to be growing as quickly as other areas.
I've been shocked at how well Curry is doing.
I think DeSantis has done less well, and Trump has been, well, as I would have expected him to be in this situation.
^Agree on all fronts, Steve.
More in the good deeds deserve recognition too category:
Shad Khan donates $1 million to Northeast Florida nonprofits to help with covid-19 response.
Further donations from Khan likely.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/shad-khan-to-donate-dollar1-million-to-northeast-florida-covid-19-relief
Quote from: Ken_FSU on March 24, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
More in the good deeds deserve recognition too category:
Shad Khan donates $1 million to Northeast Florida nonprofits to help with covid-19 response.
Further donations from Khan likely.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/shad-khan-to-donate-dollar1-million-to-northeast-florida-covid-19-relief
Kind of embarrassing how small of a donation that is for him.
^Bet it's not small to Florida's First Coast Relief Fund, Feeding Northeast Florida, Clara White Mission, the Northeast Florida Red Cross, and the Jacksonville Public Education Fund.
Curious, what would have been more appropriate for you? If he didn't donate would we have noticed? Perhaps he's giving
in other ways or within other hard hit areas where he has personal interests like Chicago, Karachi, London, etc.(?).
Appreciate the gesture.
Shad will remain uber-rich, but suffice to say that he's not in the same position he was three weeks ago...
Quote from: Ken_FSU on March 24, 2020, 05:21:34 PM
^Bet it's not small to Florida's First Coast Relief Fund, Feeding Northeast Florida, Clara White Mission, the Northeast Florida Red Cross, and the Jacksonville Public Education Fund.
Sort of. Not small necessarily, but underwhelming. Most of those orgs had equal or greater donations (including last year) without being in the largest crisis modern America has faced.
Quote from: blizz01 on March 24, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
Curious, what would have been more appropriate for you? If he didn't donate would we have noticed? Perhaps he's giving
in other ways or within other hard hit areas where he has personal interests like Chicago, Karachi, London, etc.(?).
Appreciate the gesture.
Shad will remain uber-rich, but suffice to say that he's not in the same position he was three weeks ago...
Something more equal to the grandness of the problem. He's visible to the public in a handful of communities. You'd think in the largest health & economic crisis modern America has experienced, he may be inclined to give a bit more. $200k is a typical large donation for most of those orgs. He's not a typical rich guy, these aren't typical times.
Quote from: Steve on March 24, 2020, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on March 24, 2020, 02:59:52 PM
Continue to be impressed by Curry's firm but measured response, resisting a curfew to avoid putting undue stress on the police force, but threatening to condemn and turn off utilities to any business flagrantly violating the work from home if possible/6 feet apart if not order.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/03/24/watch-live-mayor-lenny-curry-provides-briefing-on-coronavirus-response/
Not sure what you guys' experience has been like, but overall, I'm really proud of how the city's reacted and come together here in the last week and a half. Feels like it's being taken seriously by citizens and businesses, and at this point, new infections here in Duval don't seem to be growing as quickly as other areas.
I've been shocked at how well Curry is doing.
I think DeSantis has done less well, and Trump has been, well, as I would have expected him to be in this situation.
Hmmm... I think DeSantis has done fine. The alternative was Gillum and we all know what happened to him...
Yeah, I think DeSantis is doing pretty well myself. He's been catching some flak from South Florida it seems but he has to consider the entire state.
Quote from: acme54321 on March 25, 2020, 08:27:54 AM
Yeah, I think DeSantis is doing pretty well myself. He's been catching some flak from South Florida it seems but he has to consider the entire state.
Couldn't he issue orders for specific counties?
So far, I have changed my opinion on DeSantis. I think he is doing fine.
Quote from: vicupstate on March 25, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on March 25, 2020, 08:27:54 AM
Yeah, I think DeSantis is doing pretty well myself. He's been catching some flak from South Florida it seems but he has to consider the entire state.
Couldn't he issue orders for specific counties?
I'm sure he CAN. In New York it's very common for different decisions to be made "Downstate" (NYC Area and Long Island) versus "Upstate". Georgia also does this from time to time with the Atlanta area and the rest of the state.
But it could also complicate relations with those cities and counties if they disagreed with the Governor so I'm guessing DeSantis would like to avoid that if at all possible.
The New York example has existed for a long time both in emergencies like now as well as during the normal course of legislation. I've not lived in California, but they probably have similar issues - the northern and southern parts of the state are similar as they're both very urban, but the middle of the state is comparatively very rural. I'm curious how they handle state-level things.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 25, 2020, 06:45:18 AM
Quote from: Steve on March 24, 2020, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on March 24, 2020, 02:59:52 PM
Continue to be impressed by Curry's firm but measured response, resisting a curfew to avoid putting undue stress on the police force, but threatening to condemn and turn off utilities to any business flagrantly violating the work from home if possible/6 feet apart if not order.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/03/24/watch-live-mayor-lenny-curry-provides-briefing-on-coronavirus-response/
Not sure what you guys' experience has been like, but overall, I'm really proud of how the city's reacted and come together here in the last week and a half. Feels like it's being taken seriously by citizens and businesses, and at this point, new infections here in Duval don't seem to be growing as quickly as other areas.
I've been shocked at how well Curry is doing.
I think DeSantis has done less well, and Trump has been, well, as I would have expected him to be in this situation.
Hmmm... I think DeSantis has done fine. The alternative was Gillum and we all know what happened to him...
To be clear - I used the language "less well" on purpose. I think he's been good, but not great. I think early on the state agencies and the local areas had some clear miscommunications, which was usually the result of the state making a decision that affected the cities and counties, and the local officials clearly had no idea it was coming.
As the State can make a decision that can affect the cities and counties (not the other way around) to me the burden is on the State to ensure the cities and counties are kept in the loop and that wasn't happening. It seems to have been better of late.
Thus, "less well."
IMO DeSantis is doing pretty well. We're a very populous state and a lot of factors are at play, on top of how much this situation has evolved in just a few months. Yes, the state should have moved with more urgency, but there are a lot of tough decisions here no one ever wants to have to make. Overall, I think he's risen to it.
Quote from: Bill Hoff on March 24, 2020, 10:13:00 PM
Quote from: blizz01 on March 24, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
Curious, what would have been more appropriate for you? If he didn't donate would we have noticed? Perhaps he's giving
in other ways or within other hard hit areas where he has personal interests like Chicago, Karachi, London, etc.(?).
Appreciate the gesture.
Shad will remain uber-rich, but suffice to say that he's not in the same position he was three weeks ago...
Something more equal to the grandness of the problem. He's visible to the public in a handful of communities. You'd think in the largest health & economic crisis modern America has experienced, he may be inclined to give a bit more. $200k is a typical large donation for most of those orgs. He's not a typical rich guy, these aren't typical times.
Meanwhile, Drew Brees, who definitely is not near Khan's worth, just committed to $5,000,000 to the State of Louisiana
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on March 26, 2020, 10:16:05 AM
Birdies is evidently an early casualty. Hopefully we can get through this reasonably quickly or the list could get ugly.
I think Birdies had some other stuff happening behind the scenes that kind of sped up the process.
My social media has been split pretty evenly on who/what's to blame.
"We have the Greatest number of cases. Even more than Jina! We are the most Tremendous Nation. It is thanks to my Wonderful Leadership that we have done this. Very soon, we shall exceed ALL those puny nations in the number of deaths. Again, the USA will lead the world. Thanks to ME." Upcoming Tweet from the Twit
The health and safety of American citizens isn't paramount. Abortions, illegals aliens, solar panels, and other lefty stuff is, courtesy of Pelosi and Schumer. I heard that abortions was entrenched into the stimulus package; no telling what else nonsense is also. Thanks for putting you party's special interest spending over working Americans DNC.... #Walkaway #Blexit
Quote from: I-10east on March 26, 2020, 05:55:56 PM
The health and safety of American citizens isn't paramount. Abortions, illegals aliens, solar panels, and other lefty stuff is, courtesy of Pelosi and Schumer. I heard that abortions was entrenched into the stimulus package; no telling what else nonsense is also. Thanks for putting you party's special interest spending over working Americans DNC.... #Walkaway #Blexit
How do solar panels threaten our health and safety?
Quote from: I-10east on March 26, 2020, 05:55:56 PM
The health and safety of American citizens isn't paramount. Abortions, illegals aliens, solar panels, and other lefty stuff is, courtesy of Pelosi and Schumer. I heard that abortions was entrenched into the stimulus package; no telling what else nonsense is also. Thanks for putting you party's special interest spending over working Americans DNC.... #Walkaway #Blexit
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/bonanza-for-rich-real-estate-investors-tucked-into-stimulus-package/ar-BB11L4im?li=BBnb7Kz
^^^Ahh, the trusty New York Times....I have to take that article with a grain of salt until researching, because they have been discredited way too many times lately.
Quote from: 77danj7 on March 26, 2020, 11:45:29 AM
Quote from: Bill Hoff on March 24, 2020, 10:13:00 PM
Quote from: blizz01 on March 24, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
Curious, what would have been more appropriate for you? If he didn't donate would we have noticed? Perhaps he's giving
in other ways or within other hard hit areas where he has personal interests like Chicago, Karachi, London, etc.(?).
Appreciate the gesture.
Shad will remain uber-rich, but suffice to say that he's not in the same position he was three weeks ago...
Something more equal to the grandness of the problem. He's visible to the public in a handful of communities. You'd think in the largest health & economic crisis modern America has experienced, he may be inclined to give a bit more. $200k is a typical large donation for most of those orgs. He's not a typical rich guy, these aren't typical times.
Meanwhile, Drew Brees, who definitely is not near Khan's worth, just committed to $5,000,000 to the State of Louisiana
Yup.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 26, 2020, 06:55:12 PM
Quote from: I-10east on March 26, 2020, 05:55:56 PM
The health and safety of American citizens isn't paramount. Abortions, illegals aliens, solar panels, and other lefty stuff is, courtesy of Pelosi and Schumer. I heard that abortions was entrenched into the stimulus package; no telling what else nonsense is also. Thanks for putting you party's special interest spending over working Americans DNC.... #Walkaway #Blexit
How do solar panels threaten our health and safety?
well you know, like windmills, they cause cancer
Tre Herndon of the Jags and his girlfriend pledged a donation of 10,000 meals to NE FL families
I-10, please stop commenting like this.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on March 26, 2020, 11:41:01 PM
Tre Herndon of the Jags and his girlfriend pledged a donation of 10,000 meals to NE FL families
a very generous gift considering he is on an undrafted free agent contract
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 26, 2020, 10:13:28 PM
well you know, like windmills, they cause cancer
Wind turbines don't cause cancer to my knowledge. They are only a small part of alternative energy, many think they are unsightly (NIMBYs will go crazy) and they are known to kill birds.
Quote from: Tacachale on March 27, 2020, 12:59:52 AM
I-10, please stop commenting like this.
Agree. Seems like this "voluntary isolation time" has moved up the anger scale on many comments on all the feeds. Oh well, it should pass in time.
Just want to say Happy Friday and have a great weekend 8)
Quote from: jaxjags on March 27, 2020, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on March 27, 2020, 12:59:52 AM
I-10, please stop commenting like this.
Agree. Seems like this "voluntary isolation time" has moved up the anger scale on many comments on all the feeds. Oh well, it should pass in time.
Because I don't trust the New York Times??? I apologize thought police... This is just "attack the guy with a conservative opinion". If I was an opinionated leftist, there would be no issues....
Have a wonderful weekend. I was just thinking how ungrateful I am most of the time to live in such a great area. I'll be so happy to see this virus disappear and things getting back to normal.
Quote from: I-10east on March 27, 2020, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: jaxjags on March 27, 2020, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on March 27, 2020, 12:59:52 AM
I-10, please stop commenting like this.
Agree. Seems like this "voluntary isolation time" has moved up the anger scale on many comments on all the feeds. Oh well, it should pass in time.
Because I don't trust the New York Times??? I apologize thought police... This is just "attack the guy with a conservative opinion". If I was an opinionated leftist, there would be no issues....
Just a suggestion I-10... severely curtail your exposure to the news... especially national news. I get a small bit every day... mostly local... and it sure is beneficial. I really don't miss it at all. This is the best way to tell the "talking heads" to go to hell... 8)
At least you can get take out from Taverna! Plus I got some good deals on wine there yesterday. Cline's Butcher Shoppe was a freakin' mob scene yesterday too.
You're probably just figuring out how your stove works 8)
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 28, 2020, 07:23:56 AM
Quote from: I-10east on March 27, 2020, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: jaxjags on March 27, 2020, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on March 27, 2020, 12:59:52 AM
I-10, please stop commenting like this.
Agree. Seems like this "voluntary isolation time" has moved up the anger scale on many comments on all the feeds. Oh well, it should pass in time.
Because I don't trust the New York Times??? I apologize thought police... This is just "attack the guy with a conservative opinion". If I was an opinionated leftist, there would be no issues....
Just a suggestion I-10... severely curtail your exposure to the news... especially national news. I get a small bit every day... mostly local... and it sure is beneficial. I really don't miss it at all. This is the best way to tell the "talking heads" to go to hell... 8)
Fantastic advice.
The first week of this lockdown, I refreshed the news - national and local - every five minutes. I'm not normally one for anxiety, but it felt just as bad as 9/11 and the days after just in terms of pure dread and uncertainty. The national coverage is just so toxic too. Trump
clearly dropped the ball on getting ahead of this thing, and a lot of people will die needlessly as a result of that arrogance, but a worldwide pandemic ain't the time or place for 75% of coverage to be dominated by partisan screaming on either side. We can sort out the blame once we get the problem under control.
CNN in particular has become just as embarrassing as Fox News, burying important news beneath all the gotcha articles and opinion. Such a far cry from the CNN of the 1990s.
Still think the New York Times is the best pure news source in the country, though the editorial page admittedly leans left.
Anyway, this week, I resolved to just check the news three times a day - morning, lunch-time, and after work. Get the facts, then get out. Threw myself into work, my family, and a few house projects instead. Made such a big difference. Felt so much calmer and less anxious. Still felt informed, just without all the alarmism and noise.
Still impressed by Curry, his Twitter feed has been one of the best places to keep up with local news, and he's doing a really good job balancing caution with reassurance.
Coming around on DeSantis in these last few days as well.
Florida's doing a pretty solid job reacting to a situation that would have been unthinkable to most of us back in Q4.
Looks at these jackasses. SJC beached closed now.
https://mobile.twitter.com/travisakers/status/1243990179557359616
Tony Boselli reportedly was in ICU with coronavirus and is recovering but still being treated.
Quote from: acme54321 on March 28, 2020, 07:51:27 PM
Looks at these jackasses. SJC beached closed now.
https://mobile.twitter.com/travisakers/status/1243990179557359616
Ridiculous. This is one area DeSantis really needs to step it up and quit leaving decisions to local governments.
We have a variation of the social distancing that we are now very familiar with... Family distancing... right now everyone has retreated to their respective rooms or areas... Seems minor irritations are now being magnified by our forced close proximity... anyone else?
Quote from: Tacachale on March 29, 2020, 05:50:25 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on March 28, 2020, 07:51:27 PM
Looks at these jackasses. SJC beached closed now.
https://mobile.twitter.com/travisakers/status/1243990179557359616
Ridiculous. This is one area DeSantis really needs to step it up and quit leaving decisions to local governments.
I'm on the fence with this one.
On one hand, it's not really difficult to just go out with your family/roommates/daily personal people and keep your distance from others.
He tried using common sense governing and there's just too many YOLOs out there to allow it to continue. IMO - not enough 'warning' patrols out there making sure people were doing what's in the best interest of all.
DeSantis is too much of an easy-going jackass and should have closed them immediately.
On the other hand, if he had come out and immediately shut down all the beaches/parks/recreational area, then he's going to HAVE to enforce it with more than a warning. Then we're immediately thrust in to a quasi-police state.
DeSantis is a heavy-handed jackass and should have found a better way to work with the public.
Either way, it's a lose-lose because too many aren't even taking the slightest of cautions.
My favorite Avondale restaurant is offering take out.
I am not interested in take out but am thinking to go there and just pay the $120 typically spent on dinner for two as a tip for staff.
Quote from: Florida Power And Light on March 29, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
My favorite Avondale restaurant is offering take out.
I am not interested in take out but am thinking to go there and just pay the $120 typically spent on dinner for two as a tip for staff.
I guess since we're humble bragging.... I just paid $50 for 2 pieces of cake.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on March 29, 2020, 08:34:24 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on March 28, 2020, 07:51:27 PM
Looks at these jackasses. SJC beached closed now.
https://mobile.twitter.com/travisakers/status/1243990179557359616
anyone else notice the guy in the picture in an Oklahoma City cap sitting under a New Urbanist umbrella?
LOL.
Many states have requested ventilators, face masks and other essential equipment from the federal emergency stockpile as their hospitals ramp up for the coronavirus pandemic, but only Florida has gotten 100 percent of what it asked for, the Washington Post reports.
Quote from: vicupstate on March 30, 2020, 09:12:07 AM
Many states have requested ventilators, face masks and other essential equipment from the federal emergency stockpile as their hospitals ramp up for the coronavirus pandemic, but only Florida has gotten 100 percent of what it asked for, the Washington Post reports.
I guess DeSantis being a sycophant is paying off.
Publix employee tests positive in Miami-Dade: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241609691.html
Quote from: Charles Hunter on March 30, 2020, 09:27:33 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on March 30, 2020, 09:12:07 AM
Many states have requested ventilators, face masks and other essential equipment from the federal emergency stockpile as their hospitals ramp up for the coronavirus pandemic, but only Florida has gotten 100 percent of what it asked for, the Washington Post reports.
I guess DeSantis being a sycophant is paying off.
Could it be at all that Florida hasn't asked for all that much compared to other states? Or is it actually comparable?
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on March 30, 2020, 10:01:13 AM
On a serious note, the estimated peak for Florida is looking pretty ugly.
Do you have a link to this estimate?
Brightline service is indefinitely suspended:
Quote"While we don't have a definitive timeline to be up and running again, we'll take the lead of the CDC, federal and local agencies to inform our next steps," the company tweeted. They noted "construction to Orlando is still on track, while taking all necessary precautions for COVID-19."
Quote"We take this difficult decision not only to do our part in flattening the curve, but to put the health and safety of our guests and teammates first," wrote Goddard. "Three short weeks ago, Brightline was on its way to its best month ever and on a clear path for a record 2020."
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/03/25/floridas-brightline-train-service-suspended-indefinitely-during-coronavirus-shutdown
This is a nice dashboard (not mobile friendly) https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Quote from: Lunican on March 30, 2020, 11:04:37 AM
This is a nice dashboard (not mobile friendly) https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Interesting - not sure I'm buying all of the numbers though. Any county I click on (in New York, Florida, wherever), it's saying 0 people recovered, which obviously isn't logical.
Though the cases and death numbers seem to be in line with what I've seen.
Edit - I also think it would helpful if organizations broke out hospitalizations. The number of cases obviously has a major statistical flaw in that we're not testing everyone or a statistical sample of the population - we're only testing people that have some sort of symptoms or (in Jacksonville's case) first responder/healthcare worker. This obviously results in a much higher rate of positive tests.
My personal belief is if we had a way to test every American every 2 weeks, the number of cases would skyrocket, though hospitalizations and deaths would remain where they are. I'm sure this would hold true in other places.
China and Europe have recovered numbers. I think it's just too soon to list people as recovered in the U.S.
Quote from: Lunican on March 30, 2020, 12:17:27 PM
China and Europe have recovered numbers. I think it's just too soon to list people as recovered in the U.S.
I suppose, but if a person was in a hospital with a confirmed case then was released, wouldn't that count?
No, they are very slow closing cases unless the person dies. Not sure how long it takes though.
Quote from: Lunican on March 30, 2020, 12:17:27 PM
China and Europe have recovered numbers. I think it's just too soon to list people as recovered in the U.S.
The Hopkins website has begun to show recoveries for the US - but only at the national level
Tampa preacher arrested for holding church services yesterday: https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20200330/coronavirus-florida-pastor-arrested-for-violating-rules-amid-virus-outbreak
Quote from: thelakelander on March 30, 2020, 06:34:01 PM
Tampa preacher arrested for holding church services yesterday: https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20200330/coronavirus-florida-pastor-arrested-for-violating-rules-amid-virus-outbreak
Good.... utterly irresponsible....
The devil made him do it!
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on March 30, 2020, 12:44:08 PM
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On a serious note, the estimated peak for Florida is looking pretty ugly.
Do you have a link to this estimate?
Oops. Thought I linked it. This one is based upon peak hospital resources...US at 4/15 while Florida is 5/3(!).
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
FTU has an article up on projected deaths by August:
https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20200330/coronavirus-deaths-in-florida-projected-to-hit-6766-by-august
Curry issues "Safer At Home" order, beginning 12:01 AM Friday
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/04/01/mayor-curry-issuing-safer-at-home-order-for-jacksonville/
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Even now, not everyone is doing their part to flatten the curve," the mayor said. "So for this downward trend to continue, we must remain vigilant and do more to protect our city. To that end, effective Friday at 12:01 a.m., I'm issuing a new safer-at-home executive order mandating that citizens stay in their homes except for critical and essential needs."
Essential businesses will continue to operate, Curry said. These include health care providers, grocery stores, gas stations, media organizations, banks and financial institutions and assisted-living facilities, among others.
"While we are confident that citizens will be much safer at home in the coming weeks, I want to make it clear that this executive order does not restrict people's ability to go outside to take a walk or ride a bike," the mayor said. "This only prevents residents from traveling to businesses deemed nonessential."
Complete list of essential services and businesses: https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/04/01/what-is-considered-an-essential-business/
Agree with Curry here. I'll say again: My opinion of him has done a complete 180 over the last few months. I still think the JEA fiasco needs to be investigates and his downtown Khanville philosophy is, well, odd. But, he's handled this thing as well as I think he could have.
DeSantis has taken a step back IMO. He was slow to respond, seemed to catch up and do a little better, then recently has seemed to be timid, waiting on Trump's lead. This isn't the time to wait on someone else.
Trump, well, has been as I expected him to be. Pence has done a better job IMO (never saw that coming). Thank god Trump seems to be listening to Fauci and Birx.
^ No, there are some business that will have to close - retail stores that don't sell one of the many "essential" things. Now, could a clothing store add "cell phone chargers" or "handi-wipes" and become "essential"? Or, scarves or bandanas as "CDC Covid Masks"?
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on April 01, 2020, 11:47:16 AM
Here is the official list of businesses that have to close starting Friday:
LOL, that was my initial thought when I read through the press release.
Baffling that bookstores, for example, are deemed nonessential, but you can still walk into a gun store and get an AK-47.
This isn't Jacksonville-specific, seems to be happening all over the country.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on April 01, 2020, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on April 01, 2020, 12:03:58 PM
^ No, there are some business that will have to close - retail stores that don't sell one of the many "essential" things. Now, could a clothing store add "cell phone chargers" or "handi-wipes" and become "essential"? Or, scarves or bandanas as "CDC Covid Masks"?
Evidently, your sense of humor was all ready shut down.
I had hoped the last part of my comment expressed some humor. Apparently not. Guess I am just not in your league. :P
I'm pretty effing certain I can figure out on my own what businesses are "essential" and which ones are not.
This is the scariest part of this BS. Hope YOUR business is not on the list..... Boy Jeff Bezos (and the NRA) gotta be loving this.
Taking a poll: a liquor store IS or IS NOT essential?
Essential! How else are you suppose to make your own hand sanitizer with 60 proof alcohol or higher?
Yes... but I stocked up a week ago 8)
Quote from: JaxAvondale on April 01, 2020, 05:32:35 PM
Essential! How else are you suppose to make your own hand sanitizer with 60 proof alcohol or higher?
Nerd Alert - needs to be at least 120 proof, to get 60% alcohol :D
Thank goodness, golf courses deemed essential.
I've not seen the list, but I have a friend who works at a car dealership (selling cars) and he said they are on the list of 'essential' businesses. In what world is buying a car 'essential' right now? I can see repairs, sure. But new cars don't need to be sold.
Do they have fleet accounts?
Quote from: Adam White on April 02, 2020, 04:50:10 AM
I've not seen the list, but I have a friend who works at a car dealership (selling cars) and he said they are on the list of 'essential' businesses. In what world is buying a car 'essential' right now? I can see repairs, sure. But new cars don't need to be sold.
Here's the thing: I don't think you can get into the argument of telling a business what it can and can't sell. If part of the business is reasonable essential, then its essential.
Publix sells candy. Candy is not essential. But, many other items Publix sells ARE undisputedly essential. Who is going to look at the entire SKU a list of every store and say whether or not that item
is essential.
That aside, no one is buying cars right now. CNN had an article yesterday that car sales fell off a cliff around the 9th of March. So regardless of designation, it seems like people are social distancing themselves away from cars right now.
Quote from: Steve on April 02, 2020, 08:06:13 AM
Quote from: Adam White on April 02, 2020, 04:50:10 AM
I've not seen the list, but I have a friend who works at a car dealership (selling cars) and he said they are on the list of 'essential' businesses. In what world is buying a car 'essential' right now? I can see repairs, sure. But new cars don't need to be sold.
Here's the thing: I don't think you can get into the argument of telling a business what it can and can't sell. If part of the business is reasonable essential, then its essential.
Publix sells candy. Candy is not essential. But, many other items Publix sells ARE undisputedly essential. Who is going to look at the entire SKU a list of every store and say whether or not that item
is essential.
That aside, no one is buying cars right now. CNN had an article yesterday that car sales fell off a cliff around the 9th of March. So regardless of designation, it seems like people are social distancing themselves away from cars right now.
And as well all know, at dealerships, they keep the service department on same aisle as car sales and cereal.
I think you'll see more restrictive measures as the body count increases. The gov't is being naive at this point and not shutting down most businesses. It's not about whether candy is essential - it's whether the business is essential. Supermarkets are essential. Car dealerships are not. And it is possible to restrict services without closing some businesses completely - like requiring restaurants to only do takeaway food.
Quote from: Adam White on April 02, 2020, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: Steve on April 02, 2020, 08:06:13 AM
Quote from: Adam White on April 02, 2020, 04:50:10 AM
I've not seen the list, but I have a friend who works at a car dealership (selling cars) and he said they are on the list of 'essential' businesses. In what world is buying a car 'essential' right now? I can see repairs, sure. But new cars don't need to be sold.
Here's the thing: I don't think you can get into the argument of telling a business what it can and can't sell. If part of the business is reasonable essential, then its essential.
Publix sells candy. Candy is not essential. But, many other items Publix sells ARE undisputedly essential. Who is going to look at the entire SKU a list of every store and say whether or not that item
is essential.
That aside, no one is buying cars right now. CNN had an article yesterday that car sales fell off a cliff around the 9th of March. So regardless of designation, it seems like people are social distancing themselves away from cars right now.
And as well all know, at dealerships, they keep the service department on same aisle as car sales and cereal.
I think you'll see more restrictive measures as the body count increases. The gov't is being naive at this point and not shutting down most businesses. It's not about whether candy is essential - it's whether the business is essential. Supermarkets are essential. Car dealerships are not. And it is possible to restrict services without closing some businesses completely - like requiring restaurants to only do takeaway food.
I think it will depend on the region. New York may do this. I don't see Florida doing this, especially given it took this long for DeSantis to act.
Quote from: Steve on April 02, 2020, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: Adam White on April 02, 2020, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: Steve on April 02, 2020, 08:06:13 AM
Quote from: Adam White on April 02, 2020, 04:50:10 AM
I've not seen the list, but I have a friend who works at a car dealership (selling cars) and he said they are on the list of 'essential' businesses. In what world is buying a car 'essential' right now? I can see repairs, sure. But new cars don't need to be sold.
Here's the thing: I don't think you can get into the argument of telling a business what it can and can't sell. If part of the business is reasonable essential, then its essential.
Publix sells candy. Candy is not essential. But, many other items Publix sells ARE undisputedly essential. Who is going to look at the entire SKU a list of every store and say whether or not that item
is essential.
That aside, no one is buying cars right now. CNN had an article yesterday that car sales fell off a cliff around the 9th of March. So regardless of designation, it seems like people are social distancing themselves away from cars right now.
And as well all know, at dealerships, they keep the service department on same aisle as car sales and cereal.
I think you'll see more restrictive measures as the body count increases. The gov't is being naive at this point and not shutting down most businesses. It's not about whether candy is essential - it's whether the business is essential. Supermarkets are essential. Car dealerships are not. And it is possible to restrict services without closing some businesses completely - like requiring restaurants to only do takeaway food.
I think it will depend on the region. New York may do this. I don't see Florida doing this, especially given it took this long for DeSantis to act.
Very possible. But they'll end up with blood on their hands if they don't do something. Or maybe it will all go away by Easter.
Additionally, there are oddball scenarios where someone may NEED to buy a car. Let's say they run a warehouse (or work at some other essential business) and their car breaks down/gets totaled and they need to buy a car. With some exceptions, JTA transit doesn't run to many warehouses. How is this person supposed to get to work?
I realize this isn't a common scenario, but it could happen.
Regardless, dealerships are empty so I'd chalk this up to the tree falling in the forest with nobody around. If there's nobody around who can catch COVID-19?
Quote from: Steve on April 02, 2020, 09:21:32 AM
Additionally, there are oddball scenarios where someone may NEED to buy a car. Let's say they run a warehouse (or work at some other essential business) and their car breaks down/gets totaled and they need to buy a car. With some exceptions, JTA transit doesn't run to many warehouses. How is this person supposed to get to work?
I realize this isn't a common scenario, but it could happen.
Regardless, dealerships are empty so I'd chalk this up to the tree falling in the forest with nobody around. If there's nobody around who can catch COVID-19?
If you try hard enough, you can create any sort of similar scenario with any sort of business. But the extreme outlier cases are not the criteria used to determine whether a business is essential or not. Or at least they shouldn't be.
The US gov't and the state gov'ts are going to need to start taking this seriously or it's going to get really bad, really quickly.
Edit: it sucks and it's hard. I've not left my house in about two weeks (I was self-isolating for some of that due to symptoms) - but it's what we have to do. Very few businesses near me are open and people have to get in line to enter supermarkets (they stand 6 metres apart in line and are let in on a 'one out, one in' basis).
Don't know if this belongs here, or in a U2C thread ...
JTA has issued a media release about the use of autonomous vehicles at Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville to transport Coronovirus test samples.
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On Monday, March 30, 2020, up to four autonomous vehicles began operating along an initial route, in full autonomous mode without attendants or other people onboard, to transport COVID-19 tests from a drive-thru testing site to a processing laboratory on Mayo Clinic's campus. The COVID-19 test samples are placed in secure containers prior to Mayo Clinic healthcare professionals loading the samples onto the shuttle.
https://www.jtafla.com/media-center/press-releases/jta-beep-navya-autonomous-shuttles-help-mayo-clinic-transport-covid-19-tests/
Quote from: Charles Hunter on April 02, 2020, 10:24:32 AM
Don't know if this belongs here, or in a U2C thread ...
JTA has issued a media release about the use of autonomous vehicles at Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville to transport Coronovirus test samples.
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On Monday, March 30, 2020, up to four autonomous vehicles began operating along an initial route, in full autonomous mode without attendants or other people onboard, to transport COVID-19 tests from a drive-thru testing site to a processing laboratory on Mayo Clinic's campus. The COVID-19 test samples are placed in secure containers prior to Mayo Clinic healthcare professionals loading the samples onto the shuttle.
https://www.jtafla.com/media-center/press-releases/jta-beep-navya-autonomous-shuttles-help-mayo-clinic-transport-covid-19-tests/
That's wild.
I received the press release via email. I just didn't consider using an AV to run medical supplies across a parking lot within a controlled environment to be news.
This is pretty good example of how this virus has likely spread throughout the country:
Quote'We were covered with virus from head to toe'
The flight landed in Atlanta in the wee hours of March 20 to a different world than the one the passengers had left when they first set sail. Since then, the fast-spreading coronavirus had overwhelmed health care systems, cleared public spaces, shuttered workplaces and nixed social events, disrupting life in unprecedented ways.
Passenger Martha Turner Bradbury said she'd read about cruise ship passengers undergoing rigorous health checks and two weeks quarantine at military bases nationwide. She was prepared for it.
After all, that's what happened in February, when about 400 American passengers returned from their cruise in Japan aboard the Diamond Princess. When their two-week quarantine ended in Tokyo Bay, they were flown to two US air bases in California and Texas for two more weeks of quarantine in bio-containment facilities.
In a highly choreographed federal and military effort to save lives and contain the virus, 14 Diamond Princess passengers who had tested positive were flown in a specialized containment area.
Instead, Bradbury said, the Costa Luminosa passengers landed in Atlanta to a chaotic scene with no clear guidance and preparation.
A lack of protocol leaves passengers confused
At the cargo area where the plane landed, passengers were met by health officials in hazmat suits, Bradbury said. They got a temperature check and a visual assessment, along with paperwork asking whether someone had a cough, a sore throat or other ailments associated with coronavirus, she said.
Those with signs of possible illness were taken into a separate room while those with no symptoms headed to customs, and were later put in buses that dropped them off near a terminal, Bradbury said. From there, they were all told to go in and get their bags.
"We're thinking someone is going to be meeting us ... nope. You just walk in and you're in the terminal with everybody else. We were shocked," Bradbury said.
Several passengers told CNN they were allowed to wander around inside the airport, including at least one person who was symptomatic.
"We were covered with virus from head to toe. We should not have been in the airport," said Harrell Catron.
Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport referred CNN to the CDC.
With no plan for quarantines after arrival and no other options, Bradbury said, they joined other travelers. They considered themselves potential coronavirus patients and moved away if anyone got too close. Some went to their respective gates for their commercial flights home, others headed to restaurants to eat and others went to restrooms. Others even took rideshares to other parts of Atlanta.
"It was great that they got us there. But to not have any plan or protocol in place is crazy," Bradbury said.
Full article: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/us/costa-luminosa-passengers-ordeal/index.html
Tried making a homemade face mask. Apparently I am not very "crafty". What a bizarre and weird time. Hope everyone is doing ok... the lack of posts here makes me a bit nervous for my MJ community. :-\
Doing good but been busy with work. The site's analytics indicate traffic goes up during weekday office hours. Since most people are at home these days, the numbers here are down. On the flip end, the numbers are higher for the articles and social media pages.
Well, where's Kerry?
The whole story about the cruise ship passengers is sad, considering they flew into Atlanta, home of the CDC.
Just want to make sure everyone here knows, the "lockdown" of air traffic from China in January, a boasting point of the T administration, is superficial at best. American business men and their families along with Chinese Green card holders, were allowed to travel and were supposed to self quarantine ....... Only Chinese Nationals were prevented from traveling.
How is everyone doing??? Your silence seems ominous to me... I actually made a loaf of bread yesterday...
We are doing well. Wife is more than a bit haggard trying to jump through the bank and SBA hoops for those COVID relief loans for small businesses.
How are you, and how's the bread?
Left the house yesterday for the first time in 15 or so days - and somehow how ended up with a cough last night. Obviously, I didn't contract a cough from going to the supermarket a couple of hours earlier - but I don't know how I got the damn cough, considering I've been holed up with the same three other people for weeks. Yeah, my wife has gone to the supermarket a couple of times, but she (and my kids) are not coughing or anything. Weird.
Things are fine, otherwise. I found out yesterday that I am being furloughed at work. So my last day of work in Thursday. The gov't will pay 80% of my wages and my company is going to pay the remaining 20% for as long as they can. I have no idea how long this will last - it will be a minimum of three weeks, but it could be months. There is a possibility that I will go back to work at some point and they will furlough someone else from my team.
Quote from: Adam White on April 07, 2020, 01:54:11 AM
Left the house yesterday for the first time in 15 or so days - and somehow how ended up with a cough last night. Obviously, I didn't contract a cough from going to the supermarket a couple of hours earlier - but I don't know how I got the damn cough, considering I've been holed up with the same three other people for weeks. Yeah, my wife has gone to the supermarket a couple of times, but she (and my kids) are not coughing or anything. Weird.
Things are fine, otherwise. I found out yesterday that I am being furloughed at work. So my last day of work in Thursday. The gov't will pay 80% of my wages and my company is going to pay the remaining 20% for as long as they can. I have no idea how long this will last - it will be a minimum of three weeks, but it could be months. There is a possibility that I will go back to work at some point and they will furlough someone else from my team.
Adam, I'm so sorry. That's really rough. Hang in there.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on April 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
We are doing well. Wife is more than a bit haggard trying to jump through the bank and SBA hoops for those COVID relief loans for small businesses.
How are you, and how's the bread?
Doing fine... I have my honeybees and garden as distractions and I bike ride daily for exercise. Bread is good. It is more dense (less air?) than a regular loaf. The only "shortage " at my house is the disposable cleaning wipes for disinfecting.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 07, 2020, 07:20:41 AM
Quote from: Adam White on April 07, 2020, 01:54:11 AM
Left the house yesterday for the first time in 15 or so days - and somehow how ended up with a cough last night. Obviously, I didn't contract a cough from going to the supermarket a couple of hours earlier - but I don't know how I got the damn cough, considering I've been holed up with the same three other people for weeks. Yeah, my wife has gone to the supermarket a couple of times, but she (and my kids) are not coughing or anything. Weird.
Things are fine, otherwise. I found out yesterday that I am being furloughed at work. So my last day of work in Thursday. The gov't will pay 80% of my wages and my company is going to pay the remaining 20% for as long as they can. I have no idea how long this will last - it will be a minimum of three weeks, but it could be months. There is a possibility that I will go back to work at some point and they will furlough someone else from my team.
Adam, I'm so sorry. That's really rough. Hang in there.
Sorry to hear that. It is beginning here also. All we can do is hope the business survives and the job is still there when this is over.
We're hanging in there. My wife already worked from home, but she works for a nonprofit that deals with the good banks and incentives for SNAP recipients, so she's on the front lines of trying to keep people fed and supply chains open, and it's very stressful. For me, UNF has everybody working for home. I'm fortunate that everyone on my team has access to a home computer that enables them to continue their work. And we're really good ITS team. It's been a really eye opening experience for everyone in education I think.
Plus, not having to drive adds nearly an hour a day that I can spend writing! So there's that.
Thanks guys.
I'm trying to remain positive and not see this as a harbinger of possible redundancy. But who knows. In the meantime, I can help out with the kids at home, as my wife is still working - with both of us working from home, the presence of two young children (6 and 2) can be very challenging.
A word about coughing...lots of other things can make you cough - allergies, for example. Even one of my blood pressure meds makes me cough, as a side effect. (read those drug info sheets, you can learn amazing stuff). Neighbors lighting firepits on the other side of your house - that smoke gets sucked in with a/c. Hang in there, keep your wits about you and try to stay sane. I made myself a facemask today from some very soft cotton fabric (sewing scraps), two hair elastics, and some safety pins. Now then, I have no clue what we will do if/when we are forbidden to go to the grocery store - are they planning a neighborhood food drop for old folks? We can't seem to get on any senior assistance programs easily. They even want to know the mileage on your auto, FGS. Take care, everyone.
New experience for my wife and I... she had never purchased and used hair color in a box. She recruited me to apply the concoction. I am happy to report that the exercise was a success. Perhaps I will try nails next...
Adam, so sorry to hear it buddy :(
Thinking about you and your family.
In terms of the cough, like Sandy said above, try not to panic. About 94% of people getting tested in Jax are coming back negative, so there's a LOT of other germs floating around in addition to covid.
Stay strong!
I'm hanging in there, still healthy and employed, which I do not take for granted and considerate myself really lucky for, but man is the cabin fever ever setting in. I'm not meant to work from home.
I've got a six year old home with me too and even though she's my favorite person in the world and I love her dearly, but it's hard to keep them occupied 24 hours a day.
Can't wait until things open back up.
Genuinely miss being downtown every day and interacting with humans.
You take people for granted when you see them ever day.
Like the Hemming Park staff, or the Vagabond guys, or the staff at Bellwether, even the attendants in the parking garage.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 07, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
New experience for my wife and I... she had never purchased and used hair color in a box. She recruited me to apply the concoction. I am happy to report that the exercise was a success. Perhaps I will try nails next...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Ken_FSU on April 07, 2020, 05:16:09 PM
Adam, so sorry to hear it buddy :(
Thinking about you and your family.
In terms of the cough, like Sandy said above, try not to panic. About 94% of people getting tested in Jax are coming back negative, so there's a LOT of other germs floating around in addition to covid.
Stay strong!
I'm hanging in there, still healthy and employed, which I do not take for granted and considerate myself really lucky for, but man is the cabin fever ever setting in. I'm not meant to work from home.
I've got a six year old home with me too and even though she's my favorite person in the world and I love her dearly, but it's hard to keep them occupied 24 hours a day.
Can't wait until things open back up.
Genuinely miss being downtown every day and interacting with humans.
You take people for granted when you see them ever day.
Like the Hemming Park staff, or the Vagabond guys, or the staff at Bellwether, even the attendants in the parking garage.
Thanks guys. I am not too worried about the cough, tbh. I may have already had this virus two weeks ago (of course, I have no idea, as I cannot get tested). The cough
is weird though, as I can't quite figure out what is causing it.
On the upside, my two year old got chickenpox (and is now over them) and we're pretty sure the six year old will be next. I guess there's no better time to get this over with than now!
I hope all of you guys are being safe. The worst part about all of this (other than the worry, really) is the fact that it's so open-ended. We just don't know how long this is going to go on for. Everything seems so uncertain right now - who is going to get the virus, who is going to die, how long it is going to go on for, what the world or economy is going to look like when it finally lets up, whether it will come back again, etc. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Checking In Safe for the moment.
Can I just assume that everybody has been watching/has watched Tiger King?
Quote from: Adam White on April 08, 2020, 04:23:37 AM
Can I just assume that everybody has been watching/has watched Tiger King?
One episode left to watch... Moving on to Ozark... 8)
Quote from: Adam White on April 08, 2020, 04:23:37 AM
Can I just assume that everybody has been watching/has watched Tiger King?
Nope.
Quote from: Adam White on April 08, 2020, 04:23:37 AM
Can I just assume that everybody has been watching/has watched Tiger King?
Watched the entire thing one night this past weekend.
Made it through one episode. Not sure I will finish it. Ozark on the other hand, outstanding!
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 07, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
New experience for my wife and I... she had never purchased and used hair color in a box. She recruited me to apply the concoction. I am happy to report that the exercise was a success. Perhaps I will try nails next...
I trusted my sister to buzz my head. She did a pretty good job until she started trimming flyaways with the guard off and BUZZZT...she took a big ole chunk out of the hair on the side of my head. I look like I got hit by a shovel. For the first time I'm grateful that I'm not allowed to be sociable
Quote from: Peter Griffin on April 08, 2020, 08:37:29 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 07, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
New experience for my wife and I... she had never purchased and used hair color in a box. She recruited me to apply the concoction. I am happy to report that the exercise was a success. Perhaps I will try nails next...
I trusted my sister to buzz my head. She did a pretty good job until she started trimming flyaways with the guard off and BUZZZT...she took a big ole chunk out of the hair on the side of my head. I look like I got hit by a shovel. For the first time I'm grateful that I'm not allowed to be sociable
She needs to take off the guard and do your whole head now.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 08, 2020, 06:30:35 AM
Quote from: Adam White on April 08, 2020, 04:23:37 AM
Can I just assume that everybody has been watching/has watched Tiger King?
One episode left to watch... Moving on to Ozark... 8)
Blasted through TIger King, now enjoying the hell out of Ozark as well.
50 years from now when science looks back on the covid-19 crisis, one of the biggest mysteries of all is going to be, "What about this particular strain of coronavirus made REO Speedwagon trend so high on Spotify during the peak of the outbreak?"
Quote from: vicupstate on April 08, 2020, 08:58:40 AM
Quote from: Peter Griffin on April 08, 2020, 08:37:29 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 07, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
New experience for my wife and I... she had never purchased and used hair color in a box. She recruited me to apply the concoction. I am happy to report that the exercise was a success. Perhaps I will try nails next...
I trusted my sister to buzz my head. She did a pretty good job until she started trimming flyaways with the guard off and BUZZZT...she took a big ole chunk out of the hair on the side of my head. I look like I got hit by a shovel. For the first time I'm grateful that I'm not allowed to be sociable
She needs to take off the guard and do your whole head now.
I'm not letting her near my head with a pair of clippers again anytime soon ;D
Breaking news here:
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/regency-square-mall-closes-for-covid-19-pandemic
Quote from: Steve on April 08, 2020, 09:22:10 AM
Breaking news here:
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/regency-square-mall-closes-for-covid-19-pandemic
That was probably the best place to practice social distancing. Tens of thousands of square feet of space...empty
^ I needed to get some new pants a few weeks ago - and the Avenues and SJTC closed before I could get to it - ended up going to the Dillards Clearance Center - it was empty...a bit eery and disturbing.
Quote from: Peter Griffin on April 08, 2020, 08:37:29 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 07, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
New experience for my wife and I... she had never purchased and used hair color in a box. She recruited me to apply the concoction. I am happy to report that the exercise was a success. Perhaps I will try nails next...
I trusted my sister to buzz my head. She did a pretty good job until she started trimming flyaways with the guard off and BUZZZT...she took a big ole chunk out of the hair on the side of my head. I look like I got hit by a shovel. For the first time I'm grateful that I'm not allowed to be sociable
I shaved my head - I am balding and figured that 12 weeks or so of isolation was a good time to find out how it looks. The jury is still out on that. My wife ended up shaving her head for charity.
Quote from: thelakelander on April 08, 2020, 08:00:51 AM
Quote from: Adam White on April 08, 2020, 04:23:37 AM
Can I just assume that everybody has been watching/has watched Tiger King?
Watched the entire thing one night this past weekend.
I really liked it. Thought it started out a bit slow, but was hooked by the second episode. Honestly, if it were fiction, I'd say it's too outlandish to take it seriously. It's insane.
I will look into Ozark. Been watching Brooklyn Nine-Nine and want to find something new to watch.
I was the same. The first was going to be my last but it got interesting towards the end, which kept me going. Since, weekdays and weekends feel the same to me right now, I just binged the entire thing.
Quote from: Peter Griffin on April 08, 2020, 08:37:29 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 07, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
New experience for my wife and I... she had never purchased and used hair color in a box. She recruited me to apply the concoction. I am happy to report that the exercise was a success. Perhaps I will try nails next...
I trusted my sister to buzz my head. She did a pretty good job until she started trimming flyaways with the guard off and BUZZZT...she took a big ole chunk out of the hair on the side of my head. I look like I got hit by a shovel. For the first time I'm grateful that I'm not allowed to be sociable
As a follow up... All of my wife's hair is still on her head and it didn't turn into some weird unintentional color...AND... she is happy with it... I may have found a new "husbandly" duty... :D
QuoteHonestly, if it were fiction, I'd say it's too outlandish to take it seriously. It's insane.
My thoughts exactly.
Currently watching The Keepers. It has been very interesting so far. Unbelievable the actions of some people that are typically held in high esteem.
Very cool interactive map from Florida Department of Health, gets as detailed as breakdowns by county.
https://fdoh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/8d0de33f260d444c852a615dc7837c86
^ You go down to the ZIP code level, just click the Cases by ZIP Code tab at the bottom of the map. (Just wish you could adjust the darkness of the shading so the streets were more visible.)
32207 is so high because some of the cases are likely attributed to Baptist Medical Center, instead of the home address.
Whoops, I meant to type "by zipcode"
And yeah, I didn't think about that. Makes me wonder how busy the other hospitals are.
Quote from: Adam White on April 07, 2020, 01:54:11 AM
Left the house yesterday for the first time in 15 or so days - and somehow how ended up with a cough last night. Obviously, I didn't contract a cough from going to the supermarket a couple of hours earlier - but I don't know how I got the damn cough, considering I've been holed up with the same three other people for weeks. Yeah, my wife has gone to the supermarket a couple of times, but she (and my kids) are not coughing or anything. Weird.
Things are fine, otherwise. I found out yesterday that I am being furloughed at work. So my last day of work in Thursday. The gov't will pay 80% of my wages and my company is going to pay the remaining 20% for as long as they can. I have no idea how long this will last - it will be a minimum of three weeks, but it could be months. There is a possibility that I will go back to work at some point and they will furlough someone else from my team.
I'm really glad you're all doing OK and wish the same fro everyone else in this forum and your loved ones. You brought up something I've been curious about: How your country's system for taking care of laid of workers giving them 80% of their regular salary works. Would this be for all employees not working or mainly people temporarily laid off? How did they calculate what people would get? How does this work for gig workers or other laid off workers with wildly fluctuating income? Are there gov't incentives for employers to hire back laid off workers? So many other questions...I could go on and on.
What I really want to figure out is how your system for dealing with the economic fallout of the virus compares with the USA model of putting the states unemployment compensation system on steroids. Both are great and much needed concepts but I'm not sure which is most economically beneficial overall.
SMM I agree with you 100%. That being said, please share with the rest of us how you "expect to profit", please! Share the wealth, man!
Quote from: JaxJersey-licious on April 09, 2020, 03:26:55 PM
Quote from: Adam White on April 07, 2020, 01:54:11 AM
Left the house yesterday for the first time in 15 or so days - and somehow how ended up with a cough last night. Obviously, I didn't contract a cough from going to the supermarket a couple of hours earlier - but I don't know how I got the damn cough, considering I've been holed up with the same three other people for weeks. Yeah, my wife has gone to the supermarket a couple of times, but she (and my kids) are not coughing or anything. Weird.
Things are fine, otherwise. I found out yesterday that I am being furloughed at work. So my last day of work in Thursday. The gov't will pay 80% of my wages and my company is going to pay the remaining 20% for as long as they can. I have no idea how long this will last - it will be a minimum of three weeks, but it could be months. There is a possibility that I will go back to work at some point and they will furlough someone else from my team.
I'm really glad you're all doing OK and wish the same fro everyone else in this forum and your loved ones. You brought up something I've been curious about: How your country's system for taking care of laid of workers giving them 80% of their regular salary works. Would this be for all employees not working or mainly people temporarily laid off? How did they calculate what people would get? How does this work for gig workers or other laid off workers with wildly fluctuating income? Are there gov't incentives for employers to hire back laid off workers? So many other questions...I could go on and on.
What I really want to figure out is how your system for dealing with the economic fallout of the virus compares with the USA model of putting the states unemployment compensation system on steroids. Both are great and much needed concepts but I'm not sure which is most economically beneficial overall.
Thanks - we're all okay, though I do get a bit worried once a week when my wife does the grocery shop. I just found out we had 980 (I think) fatalities reported in the past 24 hours. That's insane. Our total number is now approaching 10k.
It's hard to answer, because I only know so much. As far as I understand it, a business can furlough some or all of its workers and the business gets a grant to cover 80% of each employee's monthly salary, up to £2500 (gross). In my case, my company is topping up my pay so I should get 100% of my pay. This arrangement will probably be reviewed at some point and possibly extended.
As we're furloughed, we not laid off. We're being paid not to work, essentially (or paid for being unable to work). It's called the 'job retention scheme' so the idea is that we'd all have jobs afterwards. Of course, if there is a recession or depression and companies go under, then there's nothing that can be done. I fully expect there to be redundancies at my work after this is all done and dusted - I just hope my area of the business isn't too badly affected.
Self-employed people can get some sort of payment as well - it's based on the average of the previous few years' earnings or something. People who've been self-employed for less than a year miss out, I think. Unemployed people get Universal Credit and that has been upped and is now something like £94 p/w if you're single and over 25. I think they might be increasing it more, but I am not sure.
We have the benefit, of course, of having a single-payer health system that is free at point of use. So, assuming the hospitals aren't overloaded with patients, you can get treated for the virus and it won't cost you anything. Unless you get a prescription - and those are around £9.
I don't know how all this is going to pan out - but if people can't work, the gov't has to do something to prop up the system. This is just as much about saving capitalism as it is about helping me eat and pay for a roof over my head. Speaking of that - banks are also offering a 3 month mortgage holiday for those who can't pay. Not sure if I will do that or not.
^^^^ Thanks for the insight. And that's a very good point you made how government intervention is needed to save capitalism from itself in these bonkers times. The big debate for me was whether having employers furlough workers or just letting them go would be better for rehiring and restaffing once the worst is over. In one of my jobs my employer decided to let go of everyone and close shop once they found out this shutdown would be for the long haul. i know a lot of my former coworkers will not be able to come back once they're up and running but probably would have stayed if a good portion of their income was guaranteed through this crisis. Now my company could qualify for loans at no interest the government would fund but would going through rehiring, retraining, payroll and HR hurdles they have to navigate be worth it for them, not to mention the application and qualification process for that grant that may takes weeks to receive. It's a real unanswerable question now given so much of the future is unknown and uncharted but we're blessed to have something in place to ease these burdens.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on April 10, 2020, 09:24:40 AM
I would be impressed if the U.K. could come close to matching our monumental stupidity and waste when it comes to Gov giveaways. The level of deadbeat we have achieved be it individual, corporate, or government....is pretty impressive. I would be disgusted but I expect t to profit so much indirectly it is hard to be too upset.
I agree that there is no entity locally, statewide, nationally, or internationally not exempt from the scrutiny of their handling of the virus and its aftermath. We all have way of dealing with the frustrations this virus has caused and one way I'm doing that is broadening my understanding and empathy for people more than what I normally would during the days before this outbreak. So my tolerance for the malfeasance of others has increased if not just to retain my sanity but for hopes of seeing a path through all this that will be beneficial for us all.
This does not mean I feel moochers and fraudsters should get a pass on all this: By any means necessary they should be shamed for and deterred from their actions. An I'm not naive to the possibility that these systems governments are trying to put in place will to be rife with people undeservedly cashing in on this crisis. But let's say that you indeed have a foolproof method of monetizing the greediness and incompetence inherent in these plans or if it's just some fever dream of yours that you will get back at those fuckers gaming the system by gaming them in return, all I can say is we all have ways of dealing with the frustration this virus has caused...
I won't judge.
I think that North Florida will fair much better than the rest of the state concerning the coronavirus; lower populations overall (less international, AKA corona-laden), some counties in North Florida still may not even have corona-cases so far, less dependent on tourism, military bases to give cities like Jax, Pensacola. and Tampa (which is not in North Florida) that preparedness state of mind.
Even though Orlando isn't up to South Florida levels of corona cases, they may be the hardest hit city in Florida financially-wise; that city is overwhelmingly based off of tourism and that doesn't fair well when everyone is home avoiding a pandemic. South Florida is also a tourist mecca; with the three counties down there leading the state in corona, not good.
I think that Tampa is a more even keeled city (than Orlando or real South Florida) when it comes to not putting the whole kit and kaboodle on tourism.
Good morning Jaxons! Gonna be a rainy day today... Doing well here. Baked my own birthday cake from scratch yesterday. I think I did well. Garden is going full steam ahead... counted over thirty tomatoes yesterday and many flowers. Bees are happy and foraging. Found an old hummingbird feeder filled it with sugar water and put it outside a window and had a visitor within an hour... :) 8)
Almost forgot... received my corona check today... :) 8)
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 14, 2020, 08:17:16 AM
Good morning Jaxons! Gonna be a rainy day today... Doing well here. Baked my own birthday cake from scratch yesterday. I think I did well. Garden is going full steam ahead... counted over thirty tomatoes yesterday and many flowers. Bees are happy and foraging. Found an old hummingbird feeder filled it with sugar water and put it outside a window and had a visitor within an hour... :) 8)
Almost forgot... received my corona check today... :) 8)
Sounds like you're doing well - and you're turning into a real "domestic goddess". Good job!
Happy birthday, too.
Quote from: Adam White on April 14, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 14, 2020, 08:17:16 AM
Good morning Jaxons! Gonna be a rainy day today... Doing well here. Baked my own birthday cake from scratch yesterday. I think I did well. Garden is going full steam ahead... counted over thirty tomatoes yesterday and many flowers. Bees are happy and foraging. Found an old hummingbird feeder filled it with sugar water and put it outside a window and had a visitor within an hour... :) 8)
Almost forgot... received my corona check today... :) 8)
Sounds like you're doing well - and you're turning into a real "domestic goddess". Good job!
Happy birthday, too.
I prefer to think that I am expanding my horizons... :)
As I've been saying for a long time, I'm so glad I live in an area with very low density. Those of you who continuously call for more "urban density", should see what that lifestyle worsens. Not only crime, social problems, stress, and now disease transmission. I'll take the less crowded wide open solitude of the burbs. The most hard hit areas left there urban density and travelled to the urban density of South Florida. How is that working out? Even in sparsely populated Jacksonville the most dense zips have the highest prevalence for the same population. Compare 32207 with 32226 for example. We may not have the nightlife, the restaurants, etc., but we are healthier for it.
Quote from: Snaketoz on April 14, 2020, 03:50:08 PM
As I've been saying for a long time, I'm so glad I live in an area with very low density. Those of you who continuously call for more "urban density", should see what that lifestyle worsens. Not only crime, social problems, stress, and now disease transmission. I'll take the less crowded wide open solitude of the burbs. The most hard hit areas left there urban density and travelled to the urban density of South Florida. How is that working out? Even in sparsely populated Jacksonville the most dense zips have the highest prevalence for the same population. Compare 32207 with 32226 for example. We may not have the nightlife, the restaurants, etc., but we are healthier for it.
I'm not sure those are as correlated as it seems. If it was by density, then 32204 and 32208 should be leading the pack.
Obviously there is some correlation and we see it with New York, yet Tokyo is nowhere near New York.
Also, I think we were just fortunate. Let's be honest here. If we had FL/GA here right as New Orleans had Mardi Gras then we would be in a world of hurt and despair right now.
Viruses like #covid19 can only spread in meaningfully threatening volumes if you have large numbers of people interacting over and over and over and over again in small, confined spaces.
Note that it's not the density of residential homes, it's the density of these attack vectors for the virus. The covid19 stats y'll are talking about do not speak to where the infection occured, merely to the infected's domicile. Be mindful of what is actually being measured.
And, not to be an ass, but to claim that such a thing does not _CORRELATE_ or is not _ASSOCIATED WITH_ dense urban environments, is an act of idiocy rarely displayed by people other than our beloved orange man and his frail foe, basement Joe.
Uh.... we did have The Players Championship, remember? It was cancelled, remember?
I love my space and feel strongly that the denser the population, the more bad that potentially happens. There will be more and more New Yorkers, New Jerseyites, Chicagoites, Detroiters, etc. fleeing to the less crowded places. New Orleans is dense, ergo the most hard hit area in La. Same S/E FL. Disperse and thrive.
^That theory doesn't hold up on a per 100,000 residents basis. You're more likely to catch it in Jax than you are in San Diego, Minneapolis, Austin, Tampa or St. Petersburg. All of those places are denser. On the other hand, you're more likely to be exposed in Albany, GA than you are in Miami, New York. New Orleans, Detroit or Chicago.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
Quote from: thelakelander on April 14, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
^That theory doesn't hold up on a per 100,000 residents basis. You're more likely to catch it in Jax than you are in San Diego, Minneapolis, Austin, Tampa or St. Petersburg. All of those places are denser. On the other hand, you're more likely to be exposed in Albany, GA than you are in Miami, New York. New Orleans, Detroit or Chicago.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
But that could be for any number of reasons - such as where the virus has spread and when. A city might be denser, but you're not going to catch the virus there if it hasn't been introduced yet.
You're looking at number of cases - that doesn't necessarily correlate to how 'easy' it is to get the virus.
Population density doesn't either. Clustering would seem to have more of a correlation. No matter the urban or suburban density, packing people in a Publix, movie theater, restaurant, cruise ship, airplane, etc. would all expose one to more of a chance of catching something, moreso than if they lived in a tri-plex, rowhouse or single family home on a 80' wide lot.
Quote from: thelakelander on April 14, 2020, 07:29:41 PM
Population density doesn't either. Clustering would seem to have more of a correlation. No matter the urban or suburban density, packing people in a Publix, movie theater, restaurant, cruise ship, airplane, etc. would all expose one to more of a chance of catching something, moreso than if they lived in a tri-plex, rowhouse or single family home on a 80' wide lot.
Lake, Don't you think that living in an apartment building with common doors, elevator buttons, many people passing one another in halls, elevators, stairways, etc., have more of a chance to catch a virus than a person living in a 80' lot? The CDC says anyone passing within 6' of a person with Covid-19 is at risk. Density matters. Where would you feel safer....Montana or NYC?
You just threw one housing type. Then compared two extremes with Montana and the epicenter of US coronovirus outbreak spot. However, we don't live in extremes.
What about a gated community in out in the sticks in Montana that requires people to touch same buttons to enter the development, clubhouse, pool and fitness center vs a traditional rowhouse neighborhood in Charleston, WV? Two totally different densities but the housing type of one development, puts more people at risk of exposure.
So I'd rather be in a rowhouse in Harlem than an apartment complex or working in a grocery store in Helena. All I'm saying is this is way more complicated than simply saying density. There's a lot more factors at play.
Quote from: thelakelander on April 14, 2020, 07:29:41 PM
Population density doesn't either. Clustering would seem to have more of a correlation. No matter the urban or suburban density, packing people in a Publix, movie theater, restaurant, cruise ship, airplane, etc. would all expose one to more of a chance of catching something, moreso than if they lived in a tri-plex, rowhouse or single family home on a 80' wide lot.
But that's the point - you tend to have greater opportunity for 'clustering' in dense areas. And I don't just mean clustering in the way you probably mean it - I mean coming into contact with other people.
But my point wasn't that dense areas are higher risk - my point is that you can't (or shouldn't) use numbers of cases as a metric to show that density
isn't a factor - because there are many factors at play and there could be any number of reasons why some regions have more cases.
Once this is over, the epidemiologists, statisticians, etc can look at the data and draw conclusions.
Perhaps I don't get it. I'm just trying to be logical. Whenever we have a bad virus, whenever there is a pandemic, the first things the "experts" tell us is to practice social distancing. We are told to quarantine in place, not gather in groups of 10 or more, and to stay 6 feet away from others. It's much easier to do that if you live in some situations over others. Doesn't that make sense? Also, these viruses seem to always get started in the more densely populated areas.
I do get your point. I just believe It's more complicated than that. It's pretty easy to stay six feet from someone, as long as you don't have to cluster. But in reality, you're no safer attending church in Miami as you would be in Albany, GA. No matter the overall density of your community, you'd still have a significant challenge staying six feet from someone who could have been exposed.
Yep - there's a new hot spot in South Dakota - not exactly a place known for density
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 15, 2020, 08:57:04 AM
Yep - there's a new hot spot in South Dakota - not exactly a place known for density
Except, perhaps, in the governor's office.
The Albany cases have been attributed to 2 funerals attended by out of town friends/relatives, the meat packers in SD are pretty dense-3500 people working shoulder to shoulder in a plant. I'm not saying density CAUSES pandemics. I'm saying without density, person to person transmission is more difficult. Had social distancing and travel restrictions been enacted before the funerals in Albany and in the plant in SD, those areas would not have the rates they have.
I believe the Albany and SD meat packers cases actually prove my point about clustering and the impact of exposure, having nothing to do with a city's population density. That clustering (which I now think you may be calling this density as well) is bound to happen anywhere. Being in a suburb or small community and thinking you're in a safe environment than being in a larger city is only a false sense of security. There's no hiding from this, unless you're going off the grid completely. However, we aren't our great grandparents generation. The majority of people wouldn't survive going completely off the grid, even if they tried.
I think I understand what you're saying. I agree with what you're saying-to a point. You can catch the virus in Cut Bank, MT as easily as you can in NOLA. BUT, if you can trace the source of that virus, it will more than likely than not lead you back to a densely populated area. The current virus is linked to Wuhan, China, a city of close to 12 million. Had it started in Cut Bank, most likely it would have stayed there.
Quote from: Snaketoz on April 15, 2020, 10:03:40 AM
I think I understand what you're saying. I agree with what you're saying-to a point. You can catch the virus in Cut Bank, MT as easily as you can in NOLA. BUT, if you can trace the source of that virus, it will more than likely than not lead you back to a densely populated area. The current virus is linked to Wuhan, China, a city of close to 12 million. Had it started in Cut Bank, most likely it would have stayed there.
I think - though I could be wrong, of course - that part of the reason why NYC is the most hard-hit city in the USA is because of how connected it is. Lots of travelers in and out, etc. Same thing with London.
Quote from: Adam White on April 15, 2020, 10:11:15 AM
I think - though I could be wrong, of course - that part of the reason why NYC is the most hard-hit city in the USA is because of how connected it is. Lots of travelers in and out, etc. Same thing with London.
This makes sense to me. Atlanta isn't dense, but the airport is connected and definitely a place where people cluster. Heck, the majority of people in that hub don't even leave the terminal to visit the city itself. That CNN story about those French cruise ship passengers being allowed to integrate into the population in the airport terminal, then catch flights all over the country, is a good example of how a connected location can quickly increase the spread.
Quote from: Snaketoz on April 15, 2020, 10:03:40 AMHad it started in Cut Bank, most likely it would have stayed there.
Not necessarily, unless the source is practicing self isolation and social distancing......which more than likely it would not be. Cut Bank would be a hot spot and all it would take is one person from Cut Bank to come in contact with someone else that may happen to travel or work in a different location and bam, you have a chain started. Population density damed.
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on April 14, 2020, 05:47:39 PM
Viruses like #covid19 can only spread in meaningfully threatening volumes if you have large numbers of people interacting over and over and over and over again in small, confined spaces.
Note that it's not the density of residential homes, it's the density of these attack vectors for the virus. The covid19 stats y'll are talking about do not speak to where the infection occured, merely to the infected's domicile. Be mindful of what is actually being measured.
And, not to be an ass, but to claim that such a thing does not _CORRELATE_ or is not _ASSOCIATED WITH_ dense urban environments, is an act of idiocy rarely displayed by people other than our beloved orange man and his frail foe, basement Joe.
My, we're salty today!
If this was directed at me, let me remind you of what I said:
"I'm not sure those are as correlated as it seems."
My point is exactly what's being said - there's more to it than dense cities get hit hard and less dense cities don't. It's a factor, but an incomplete correlation. Clearly there is SOMETHING There, but then why didn't all very dense cities see this level of outbreak? I think some of the reasons are above. Clearly Mardi Gras and New Orleans' reputation as a touristy city (disproportionate to it's size) hurt them. Clearly being an international gateway doesn't help (New York, Miami, Chicago). But it's not a 100% comparison so after this is over, we SHOULD (who knows if we will) study cities that fared very well (German cities come to mind as does Seoul and Tokyo) and understand what the difference was. Obviously much of it was Federal action, but what specifically?
I think everyone has good points and when you think about what has been said, nobody to all wrong or all right. It's great we have a place to talk about and discuss such things. I'm bored and my wife is uninterested. Thanks!
Yeah, at this point, we can only offer up opinions and our perspectives for having them. In reality, there's a lot of unknown and we could only be in the beginning stages of this. Unfortunately, we could be looking at various types of social distancing measures for the next few years.
Yeah, I think a lot that we took for granted just a few weeks ago will be only memories soon. The innocent act of shaking hands will most likely fade away. Entering a crowded elevator will cause concern. This is really changing life as we know it.
Americans are pretty stubborn in their ways.
Perhaps it'll finally be fashionable to chastise coworkers that show up to the office clearly sick when it's known they have available sick leave....
At most, maybe people will be better about washing their hands after using restrooms.
Yeah, College football WAS fun......
Does anyone know if we can take showers yet or should we just keep washing our hands???
Quote from: MusicMan on April 15, 2020, 02:55:13 PM
Yeah, College football WAS fun......
The labor is still free...
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on April 16, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
Quarantine ( what seems like) day 167:
Wife gives me buzz cut with clippers that finally arrived. Let's just say my hats will be getting a little more use.
Curious....
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Quote from: sanmarcomatt on April 16, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
Quarantine ( what seems like) day 167:
Wife gives me buzz cut with clippers that finally arrived. Let's just say my hats will be getting a little more use.
Was wondering what everyone's hair situation was... I am moving ever closer to BT circa 1975... ;D 8)
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 17, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on April 16, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
Quarantine ( what seems like) day 167:
Wife gives me buzz cut with clippers that finally arrived. Let's just say my hats will be getting a little more use.
Was wondering what everyone's hair situation was... I am moving ever closer to BT circa 1975... ;D 8)
You'll have to let us know when you start rocking the man-bun.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 17, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Was wondering what everyone's hair situation was... I am moving ever closer to BT circa 1975... ;D 8)
I look like a homeless man right now.
Mine's at that awkward stage - enough over my ears to be an annoying tickle. I figure another week until it gets long enough to get past the ears, and stops the tickle. I probably am going to have to do some self-surgery to get the front out of my eyes.
I look like Leo in the Revenant..... or Hagrid.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 17, 2020, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 17, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on April 16, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
Quarantine ( what seems like) day 167:
Wife gives me buzz cut with clippers that finally arrived. Let's just say my hats will be getting a little more use.
Was wondering what everyone's hair situation was... I am moving ever closer to BT circa 1975... ;D 8)
You'll have to let us know when you start rocking the man-bun.
There will be NO man bun... my wife thinks my attempts to use the blow dryer are hilarious... I'm just glad I can bring some joy to the world...
...what, no mullets???
I shaved my head with my beard clippers. And then, when it started to grow in a bit, I decided to shave it off with a razor. I figured now was probably the best time to see what I am going to look like in a few years anyway.
Probably won't shave it down with a razor anymore - the Yul Brenner look wasn't quite my thing. But I might keep shaving it with the clippers. That is, until I go back to work, everyone comments and I feel really self conscious about it...
I got a haircut the week everything shut down, so I'm okay for awhile. That's called planning, y'all.
Just in case.....https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/how-to-cut-your-own-hair/
I drove through downtown this evening, because i've not been by my office in a month, and there was a lot of construction activity going on. Vystar, Jefferson Station, the Brooklyn hotel, the BCBS garage, site work for FIS, the southbank apts, baptist...etc I hope we keep this momentum and aren't derailed by the economic fallout of the virus.
don't forget those hart bridge ramps are coming down now too - no slow down there 8) ;)
Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 19, 2020, 08:24:30 PM
I drove through downtown this evening, because i've not been by my office in a month, and there was a lot of construction activity going on. Vystar, Jefferson Station, the Brooklyn hotel, the BCBS garage, site work for FIS, the southbank apts, baptist...etc I hope we keep this momentum and aren't derailed by the economic fallout of the virus.
Having been out of Jax for 4 months, I had a chance to go DT today. Yes, a lot going on in Brooklyn and Southbank. Actually looks impressive from Park Street. Wish we had the same activity in Central Core DT. Then we would really have something to talk about.
Anyone have any updates on the Trio and the revised incentives?
^I have a bad feeling that the Trio is going to be a very, very long way off.
The Barnett cost over 40% more than expected, and apparently structural and water damage to the Trio is worse than originally thought.
Throw in the fact that it's going to be a long time before we truly understood how hotels and restaurants are going to rebound, I don't know, I don't see this one happening any time soon, even if the city and Southeast re-work the incentives.
Also, random question:
Does anyone know if parking enforcement is out these days downtown?
Asking for a friend.
Yesterday, while lounging in my spacious Avondale front yard, a couple and their young child amble down the street.........they stop at the flower bed that flows over to the street public space, polite...... I announce and instruct, " Pick a flower!, go ahead".
And she does, and all is Wonderful, and I am thinking, having just returned from a Fresh Market Grocery run, having noted how the Fresh Market area Apartments or whatever they are marketed as appear as prison cells, and then thinking, per a Jaxson Thread, that Density indeed sucks.
Anyone know who's moving into the Greenleaf & Crosby Building on Laura Street, next to Snyder Memorial?
Such a great spot.
I've heard a new long-term tenant has signed on the space, and there's construction going on currently, but I've got no clue who's moving in.
I haven't heard anything about it.
The John Phillips law firm is moving into the building and turning the roof over the 2nd or 3rd floor into an outdoor deck for them. I don't know of anything on the ground floor.
^Thanks for the info, Steve.
Glad that it leaves the ground-level space for retail use.
Details on the city's plan for the $159 million federal CARE grant.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/currys-dollar159-million-stimulus-includes-dollar1-000-payments-fee-cuts-library-fine-forgiveness-and-more
I like how it continues to making testing a priority.
Our numbers are a huge success, both in terms of testing and new cases, and widespread testing is going to be key to managing another outbreak and getting people back to work.
I also like how it balances supporting people, supporting businesses, and trying to regain some development momentum.
The stimulus for organizations operating in city-owned facilities will be the most interesting to watch.
From the Times-Union:
QuoteIt would also set aside $20 million for organizations that operate in city-owned facilities, like the Jacksonville Zoo or the Jacksonville Jaguars, that have been financially hurt by closures. However, the council would have to approve separate legislation before this money could be awarded.
Elsbury said the city will accept applications from entities that operate city-owned facilities that have experienced revenue loss as a result from the government-mandated shutdowns. Curry's administration will review each application and create a proposal to distribute the money that will need to be approved by the council.
Elsbury said eligible entities include the Jacksonville Zoo, the Museum for Contemporary Art Jacksonville, the Times-Union Center for the Performing Arts, Veterans Memorial Arena, Daily's Place amphitheater, and the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Not opposed to it in principal - particularly for the Zoo, MOCA, Symphony, the Jumbo Shrimp, and even Daily's Place - but if this ends with the Jags getting $10 million in rent abatement and 6% of the total stimulus package, that would be ABSURD.
Don't want to bash them for something they might not do though, and hopefully they don't have the nerve to put in an application.
That said, setting aside $20 millon (half the amount we're setting the side for 40,000 individual payments) feels like a
lot if the Jags aren't going to be asking for stimulus.
If they support operators of City owned facilities, I hope they include our cultural institutions that rely on those same facilities such as the Jacksonville Symphony, FSCJ Artist Series, etc. in addition to cultural institutions that operate in other facilities such as the Florida Theater, Cummer Museum, etc.
How have the Jaguars been hurt by closures?
If they get a percentage the gate or parking or concessions from events at Daily's Place, that would be one "loss".
Quote from: MusicMan on April 25, 2020, 05:29:05 PM
How have the Jaguars been hurt by closures?
At this point, I would have to say no. I think that they have likely saved money. Every team can invite up to 30 players from the draft. The teams pay for travel expenses. Their scouting department has been grounded since March 13th. So, no travel expenses there either.
Bike riding in the neighborhood has been Grand thanks to reduced traffic.I had forgotten how it could be.
Will remember this when looking to move away at retirement; Bikeable
Quote from: Florida Power And Light on April 25, 2020, 08:49:13 PM
Bike riding in the neighborhood has been Grand thanks to reduced traffic.I had forgotten how it could be.
Will remember this when looking to move away at retirement; Bikeable
I have noticed that, too. I live on a busy road and there is little to no cycling infrastructure where I live. I have been able to cycle on the roads and it has been so much less stressful!
Pretty staggering to see how little effect a city wide shutdown has had on violence in the city.
Feels like we're still seeing shootings and stabbings on a near daily basis.
^That's because people aren't really following social distancing guidelines the way they're defined. Especially in the world involving shootings and stabbings. The social, cultural and environmental issues involving this will take a while to resolve. Until then, business continues as usual.
On another coronavirus-related subject, what's all this about a meat shortage - Smithfield has supposedly closed down their meat processing plant and Tyson may be next. Haven't we been told all this time that this virus is not a food-borne illness?
^Problem isn't the food itself, but the close conditions of the factories that result in mass virus outbreaks among the workers.
Something like 40% of all of South Dakota's coronavirus cases were related to Smithfield.
The food itself is perfectly safe, and the CDC doesn't even recommend cleaning food containers anymore.
My dentist has been closed for at least a month due to the virus. I developed tooth pain last Thursday. Left a voicemail and got a return phone call almost immediately. He sent prescriptions and made a appointment for me this morning. The tooth was cracked and could not be saved. He called an oral surgeon and they got me in immediately and pulled the tooth. Impressive effort that probably only happens with no regular scheduled patients or procedures... anyone else have emergency medical experience?
Not a positive one as you had. Receptionist had no mask on; dr was sick but saw me anyhow - at least dr wore a mask; one staffer went home sick all in the first 10 mins I was there. (Follow up appt for chronic health condition). Hope my mask kept me well. Guess we'll see in about 10 days. I know we have to get the economy up and running again, but I hope this doesn't happen too soon. Heard a radio commentator say that when the restrictions are lifted people are going to forget all about being careful. What scares me a little more is hearing how all these 'new' symptoms are appearing - first it was fever, dry cough, sore throat; then it was pinkeye could be a symptom; then it was red lesions on your feet; then blood clots; now some children who have recovered have some rare thing going on with their blood vessels causing them to bleed out. Does this virus seem to be mutating into something else before our eyes?
The last day of April 2020 and the afternoon and evening Avondale scene is so Idyllic, in large part to the absence of Vehicles, Frenetic activity.
Bike riding, walking grand.
Wife and I have gone weeks without Restaurant, which was only a matter, primarily of convenience, we now vow to Kick The Restaurant Habit ( Mostly).
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 27, 2020, 05:29:34 PM
My dentist has been closed for at least a month due to the virus. I developed tooth pain last Thursday. Left a voicemail and got a return phone call almost immediately. He sent prescriptions and made a appointment for me this morning. The tooth was cracked and could not be saved. He called an oral surgeon and they got me in immediately and pulled the tooth. Impressive effort that probably only happens with no regular scheduled patients or procedures... anyone else have emergency medical experience?
My husband, who had been dealing with wisdom tooth issues for a while, had his tooth pain hit a threshold he could not take anymore. Found an "emergency" dentist. We do not have insurance and had to call around to not only find a place that was open, but that we could afford. The visit went spectacularly smooth. He was seen the day we called, filled out all paperwork in advance online. When we arrived, we called the desk, and a nurse came out to the car to retrieve him. She wore a mask/gloves, and insisted on opening all the doors so he touched no surfaces. He said the office was clean, and the procedure went quickly. I was relieved they were taking the proper precautions.
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Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 27, 2020, 05:29:34 PM
My dentist has been closed for at least a month due to the virus. I developed tooth pain last Thursday. Left a voicemail and got a return phone call almost immediately. He sent prescriptions and made a appointment for me this morning. The tooth was cracked and could not be saved. He called an oral surgeon and they got me in immediately and pulled the tooth. Impressive effort that probably only happens with no regular scheduled patients or procedures... anyone else have emergency medical experience?
My husband, who had been dealing with wisdom tooth issues for a while, had his tooth pain hit a threshold he could not take anymore. Found an "emergency" dentist. We do not have insurance and had to call around to not only find a place that was open, but that we could afford. The visit went spectacularly smooth. He was seen the day we called, filled out all paperwork in advance online. When we arrived, we called the desk, and a nurse came out to the car to retrieve him. She wore a mask/gloves, and insisted on opening all the doors so he touched no surfaces. He said the office was clean, and the procedure went quickly. I was relieved they were taking the proper precautions.
My dentist was not happy with the shutdown. He explained that they already treat each patient as if they are HIV positive and have hepatitis. They have been using maximum protection long before this virus showed up...
So when things reopen what are you gonna do first? Restaurant? Hair salon? Bar/tavern? Movie?
Me... I really want to sit at the bar and have a drink or three... 8)
Somehow my two year old son has developed a tummy bug in spite of not going anywhere for weeks (other than a walk in the park on Monday). Really odd...
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It would be interesting if COVID-19, bad as it is, saves us from the catastrophic effects of unchecked global climate change.
I posted the above comment in the thread about the FDOT's First Coast Expressway. To follow up, this article is pretty interesting about air pollution over Jacksonville being favorably impacted (50% improvement!) by the situation with COVID-19:
https://www.news4jax.com/weather/2020/04/30/inadvertently-covid-19-cleans-jacksonvilles-air/ (https://www.news4jax.com/weather/2020/04/30/inadvertently-covid-19-cleans-jacksonvilles-air/)
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It would be interesting if COVID-19, bad as it is, saves us from the catastrophic effects of unchecked global climate change.
I posted the above comment in the thread about the FDOT's First Coast Expressway. To follow up, this article is pretty interesting about air pollution over Jacksonville being favorably impacted (50% improvement!) by the situation with COVID-19:
https://www.news4jax.com/weather/2020/04/30/inadvertently-covid-19-cleans-jacksonvilles-air/ (https://www.news4jax.com/weather/2020/04/30/inadvertently-covid-19-cleans-jacksonvilles-air/)
Well it is certainly good to know that all we need to do to get global warming under control is shut down nearly all business and travel...
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It would be interesting if COVID-19, bad as it is, saves us from the catastrophic effects of unchecked global climate change.
I posted the above comment in the thread about the FDOT's First Coast Expressway. To follow up, this article is pretty interesting about air pollution over Jacksonville being favorably impacted (50% improvement!) by the situation with COVID-19:
https://www.news4jax.com/weather/2020/04/30/inadvertently-covid-19-cleans-jacksonvilles-air/ (https://www.news4jax.com/weather/2020/04/30/inadvertently-covid-19-cleans-jacksonvilles-air/)
Well it is certainly good to know that all we need to do to get global warming under control is shut down nearly all business and travel...
..because we're not investing enough into developing renewables and reducing our carbon footprints.
As an aside, one takeaway from all of this is that we don't need as much 'stuff' as we are probably used to having.
My youngest grandson came down with Strep while on lockdown. Very strange. His sister and the rest of the family are ok.
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Quote from: Adam White on May 04, 2020, 06:50:35 AM
As an aside, one takeaway from all of this is that we don't need as much 'stuff' as we are probably used to having.
Considering missing a couple of paychecks resulting in mass mortgage/rent non pays, I fully expect that financial lessons will finally be lear——what's that ? The new $200 Air Jordan's just came out?
Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? Of course, the fact that so many people are always looking for a way to sell you something you didn't realise you 'needed'.
Nothing will change without systemic change, I don't think.
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It would be interesting if COVID-19, bad as it is, saves us from the catastrophic effects of unchecked global climate change.
I posted the above comment in the thread about the FDOT's First Coast Expressway. To follow up, this article is pretty interesting about air pollution over Jacksonville being favorably impacted (50% improvement!) by the situation with COVID-19:
https://www.news4jax.com/weather/2020/04/30/inadvertently-covid-19-cleans-jacksonvilles-air/ (https://www.news4jax.com/weather/2020/04/30/inadvertently-covid-19-cleans-jacksonvilles-air/)
Well it is certainly good to know that all we need to do to get global warming under control is shut down nearly all business and travel...
..because we're not investing enough into developing renewables and reducing our carbon footprints.
As an aside, one takeaway from all of this is that we don't need as much 'stuff' as we are probably used to having.
I think this just proves that "minor reductions in carbon footprint" is not nearly enough and paralysis inducing reductions are required. Renewables? While I am 100% in favor of such things it is completely unrealistic to believe anything we can actually comprehend will make any difference at all.
I think the effort may be better spent dealing with the consequences...
The media isn't really picking up on it, but I'm a little concerned about our numbers in the last three days.
Hopefully it's an abberration and we see fewer new cases in the next couple of days.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on May 04, 2020, 11:01:07 PM
The media isn't really picking up on it, but I'm a little concerned about our numbers in the last three days.
Hopefully it's an abberration and we see fewer new cases in the next couple of days.
Nah - since they've opened up testing to all, you're going to see the numbers absolutely spike.
A positive test doesn't equate to a sick person - and that's been my biggest issue with the reporting.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 05, 2020, 07:45:23 AM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on May 04, 2020, 11:01:07 PM
The media isn't really picking up on it, but I'm a little concerned about our numbers in the last three days.
Hopefully it's an abberration and we see fewer new cases in the next couple of days.
Nah - since they've opened up testing to all, you're going to see the numbers absolutely spike.
A positive test doesn't equate to a sick person - and that's been my biggest issue with the reporting.
But it does equate to someone who can infect someone, who might become a sick person - especially if they are older and/or have underlying health issues.
The numbers to watch are hospitalizations and deaths, to get a handle on severity. Infections tell us how widespread the infection is.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 05, 2020, 07:45:23 AM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on May 04, 2020, 11:01:07 PM
The media isn't really picking up on it, but I'm a little concerned about our numbers in the last three days.
Hopefully it's an abberration and we see fewer new cases in the next couple of days.
Nah - since they've opened up testing to all, you're going to see the numbers absolutely spike.
The number of positives in the last four days (60) has more than doubled versus the four days prior than that (28).
Was almost positive that overall local testing couldn't have doubled during the same four-day period, but I pulled the numbers and it turns out you're right, it actually did nearly double. So yeah, I stand corrected, this mini spike in the last four days is likely (and hopefully) the result of more widely available testing rather than a true upswing in the local outbreak.
Looking forward to seeing today's number at 11.
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Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 05, 2020, 07:45:23 AM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on May 04, 2020, 11:01:07 PM
The media isn't really picking up on it, but I'm a little concerned about our numbers in the last three days.
Hopefully it's an abberration and we see fewer new cases in the next couple of days.
Nah - since they've opened up testing to all, you're going to see the numbers absolutely spike.
A positive test doesn't equate to a sick person - and that's been my biggest issue with the reporting.
But it does equate to someone who can infect someone, who might become a sick person - especially if they are older and/or have underlying health issues.
The numbers to watch are hospitalizations and deaths, to get a handle on severity. Infections tell us how widespread the infection is.
I don't disagree with you. Even though I'm not particularly fearful for myself or my immediate family, I have resisted the urge to go visit my mom or any of my older relatives and have pretty much abided to the SD guidelines socially.
But in regards to the hospitilizations, I haven't seen much data locally to support it. From what I've seen hospital admits here have been way down.
Now a lot of that is due to voluntary surgeries being put off. Some of that is due to people not wanting to go the ER for fear of getting sick. And then as more numbers come out as testing becomes more available, it paints a picture to me that all of the Covid related deaths may not have been caused by Covid to begin with*. And without going full-blown conspiracy theorist regarding false reporting for cash, I think that there is something to it.
(*disclaimer - I am not a doctor)
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The big news is that Nordstrom has decided to permanently close 16 of its 116 full price Nordstrom stores. It did not release a store closure list.
It is also restructuring regions, support roles and its corporate organization to "increase speed and flexibility" which will save $150 million annually. That on top of $200 million to $250 million in previously announced cuts, means the company is reducing non-occupancy overhead expenses by 20%.
Announced today. Store list not revealed. This represents 14% of all full service Nordstroms. I hope Jax's store isn't one of them. We waited for decades to get a top level department store here like Nordstroms, Macys, Saks Fifth Avenue, Neiman Marcus, etc. Wouldn't be great to lose one after only having it for a few short years. I know department stores are an endangered species in the retailing world but surely a few will survive. Hope we have one of them.
Quote from: jaxlongtimer on May 05, 2020, 11:55:05 PM
I know department stores are an endangered species in the retailing world but surely a few will survive. Hope we have one of them.
I would think ours would be safe as it has no competition. Many cities have tons of competition at this level, even multiple Nordstrom stores. I am pretty sure some of those places that have multiple stores in the same MSA would get closed before ours. Los Angeles has like 9 (non rack) Nordstrom stores. A few of those would surely close before ours...
LA also has more than 13 million in its MSA compared to Jax's 1.5 million. Number of stores within a market likely will matter less than how one location performs in comparison with most in the chain. The ones that get the ax, are likely the lower performing locations.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 06, 2020, 09:51:55 AM
LA also has more than 13 million in its MSA compared to Jax's 1.5 million. Number of stores within a market likely will matter less than how one location performs in comparison with most in the chain. The ones that get the ax, are likely the lower performing locations.
Agreed. Now, there are 117 full line Nordstrom stores. Given how much retail has changed in 15 years, it wouldn't surprise me to have 16 of their stores at places like dead malls, etc. Jacksonville's being at the "hot shopping center" does help. Additionally, Nordstrom is one of the best department stores when it comes to Omnichannel Retail. Erik Nordstrom spoke at a conference I attended in January (Remember conferences, everyone?) and he talked about the relationship between online and stores. Two interesting things he shared:
- Manhattan was Nordstrom's biggest online market to begin with and any store opening typically coincides with an online bump. The interplay of the two was part of the business case for the store.
- More than half of Nordstrom sales have an online component and over a one-third of its online sales involve a store experience.
Now, putting all of that aside the dollars and cents will make the decision. But, especially right now the decision will likely be made on current and future dollars and cents. Nordstrom isn't alone when it comes to retailers seeing an online boost when a retailer enters the market with a brick and mortar store.
So yes, I think it helps Jacksonville's case. All else equal, a retailer would choose to shutter a second store in a market versus leaving a market. However, it doesn't "make" the case entirely.
If Nordstroms closes where will I get my monocle polished?
Quote from: Tacachale on May 06, 2020, 03:30:40 PM
If Nordstroms closes where will I get my monocle polished?
Faith Jewelers on Edgewood.
Just had mine done and it was f-n SPARKLING!
Nordstrom Jax not amongst the closures.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/nordstrom-st-johns-town-center-is-not-part-of-our-store-closures
Accompanied my husband to his dr visit the other day and NO ONE, including the dr was wearing face mask or gloves. They made us both fill out and sign a questionnaire and get our temperatures taken, as soon as we got in the front door, before we even sat down. So...we're supposed to protect them from getting COVID-19, but the dr and assistants can breathe all over patients in close proximity during an exam?!? I feel like reporting them to the health dept or somebody.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on May 08, 2020, 01:41:24 PM
Nordstrom Jax not amongst the closures.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/nordstrom-st-johns-town-center-is-not-part-of-our-store-closures
Only two in Florida. Dadeland Mall in Miami and a store in Naples.
The Naples store is a little surprising given that the next closest Nordstrom is Tampa?! That store could be changed to a nice grocery store like the High Street Kensington Whole Foods in London.
Quote from: JaxAvondale on May 09, 2020, 09:55:49 PM
The Naples store is a little surprising given that the next closest Nordstrom is Tampa?! That store could be changed to a nice grocery store like the High Street Kensington Whole Foods in London.
The only place I can find the list is Business Insider. Of all people Nordstrom would confirm the list to, I'd be surprised if they actually did. But it could be right.
I'd need to digest, but, it does appear they're leaving some markets like Naples. Richmond, VA and San Juan, PR are others.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on May 15, 2020, 09:43:36 AM
My latest trip to Publix and I was definitely in the masked minority when it came to customers. SSS but that seemed to change quickly. Hopefully not too quickly.
Weird, right?
I've noticed the same thing.
Two weeks ago, over half of the shoppers at my Publix were wearing masks.
Went yesterday, I was maybe one of five people wearing one.
Even employees had them pulled down around their necks rather on their faces.
Driving through 5 Points and Shoppes of Avondale there was no evidence of a pandemic that I could see.
San Marco Square still very subdued.
Either we have massively overreacted or there are gonna be a lot of sick people in the immediate future.
And my wife says the Publix on University is now featuring a Salad Bar.....strange timing IMO.
Five Weeks Local Favorite Rare Restaurant (s) No Go and it appears , Thankfully, Healed from Restaurant. It was all about convenience and boredom. We laughed and farted all the way home.Have saved hundreds of dollars past few weeks.
No more.
Peered inside Avondale Fox window today..... posted on the end of the counter bar: high tech hand written note: " Eat Me ".
I have always admired The Owner. And will never walk through the Fox door again. Not because of the owner, and message, both of which I admire ( Thirty year Fox Patronage) but " Just Because". Restaurant Healed.
The best meals are at Home.
Eat Me
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Hopefully we are just being paranoid.
Having gone to college in the early 70s ... "You can never be too paranoid."
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A bit worried about people blowing off social distancing too quickly. Hopefully we are just being paranoid.
Speaking of 'blowing off'....
I honestly couldn't stand it before, but now I absolutely hate it. I get not wearing a FM or maintaining a hardcore 6' clearance from everyone, but these douche-canoes that are OK with sitting outside of a restaurant and blowing huge clouds of vape deserve a special place in hell.
I had my heart set on some Biggie's pizza Friday night, but said douche-canoes were the reason that I went to Carmines. Not a total loss, but seriously, WTF is wrong with people.
But DeSantis promised them the virus is gone! Shouldn't that be enough?
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on May 17, 2020, 07:58:49 PM
But DeSantis promised them the virus is gone! Shouldn't that be enough?
I don't think he did... please provide proof...
Action is enough proof
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on May 18, 2020, 07:56:53 AM
Action is enough proof
Actually... you are wrong again.
Sorry you are right Troll. There was lack of action in every way. My bad. Being a politician does not make you a leader
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on May 18, 2020, 12:50:23 PM
Sorry you are right Troll. There was lack of action in every way. My bad. Being a politician does not make you a leader
State wide stay at home order? Statewide closure of dining rooms? Statewide closure of gyms? State funding of testing sites after federal pullout? C'mon dude, Florida responded and we appear to have flattened the curve. The majority of our hospitals were not overwhelmed, and our overall caseload is not unmanageable. The goal was never to stop the spread, despite how many people have misquoted or misconstrued the message, the goal was to slow the spread so medical services were not overwhelmed.
Humans aren't omniscient nor omnipotent, and reacting earlier by grossly overstepping executive powers doesn't magically stop viruses from spreading.
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on May 18, 2020, 12:50:23 PM
Sorry you are right Troll. There was lack of action in every way. My bad. Being a politician does not make you a leader
There very clearly was action. Very prudent and measured action. I do Highly suggest that you continue to stay at home and away from other people as your fear is palpable...
Guys I hope you are right. Don't get me wrong..
It sucks to wear a mask, social distancing, self isolating on and on, lose my job and money. My wife works as a hospital first responder, so I do know the reality from what she can tell me, but I am afraid we are moving from Shitfest to do what you want free Americans way too quick without opening with ethical guidance on how to reopen. I went to Costco today and they would not let anyone in the store without a mask. Government should guide the way, especially to small businesses operations.
Troll I really wish Hese southern governs are right bc I, like everyone want to move on, but there is the reality
JC... if you lost your job that certainly does suck and I am sorry to hear it... but that's one of the reasons the governor is reopening things... people and businesses are hurting... prudent and measured restrictions can get people back to work and protect society from the spread of the virus...
Lives mean much more than money. I can re earn, bout I can't have my wife back. Maybe being too emotional, but it is hard. When I see people disregarding safety I feel very upset.
I do too... but reality is that it takes money to live... This usually requires working and commerce. We cannot stay "locked down " forever in the name of safety. Florida's situation is much different than New York or other harder hit area's and I think we can open some things up and still remain safe...
To jcjohnpaint #342: I'm going to write from my heart, so please - nobody try to correct me. JC, I hear you and I get your feelings and worries. I hate it too, that people who ought to be wearing masks and continuing to be cautious have abandoned their good sense; they may never have had any in the first place but that's another story. None of us has ever experienced a pandemic before. There is no manual to tell us how to prepare, how to reopen, what to do...we're kind of flying by the seat of our pants as the expression goes. It is a two-edged sword here. I think if people would continue to wear masks, social distance and be cautious for a while longer, businesses could start to safely reopen and salvage what may be left of our economy. We have to do it, but we have to do it intelligently. There's the rub. The streets are filling with drivers who think it's the autobahn now and they can zip in and out and speed; some grocery store crowds are getting a little aggressive now, not wearing masks, not maintaining 6-feet, and shoving themselves right in front of you when you're trying to pick out decently priced eggs, fgs. I'm speaking of Publix (why can't some people follow arrows correctly in the one-way aisles!) and Sam's. Thank goodness COSTCO is promoting safety. I love my loved ones too and I'm being forced to be safe for others who couldn't give a rat's patoot about my loved ones...doctors and staff in a specialist's office and not a ONE of them masked or gloved, while we almost had to give a blood sample just to sit down in their germy waiting room. I feel it, JC, I totally get what you're saying. And don't anybody ask me to define "a while" - because I don't know either. I just know we have to reopen, but we have to be cautious. Hang in there, buddy, it's all we can do. All the best to you and yours.
Every day, I take a little time out of my day to watch Andrew Cuomo's briefing. When I started to watch his analysis and action of our (unknown) situation/ or (invisible enemy), it didn't matter to me what his party is/ was. Actually, I didn't know, to be honest, but I did perceive he was/is taking intelligent action regardless of (not knowing). If we want to know the outcome of not knowing, we can all watch the president's briefing later in the day. I think NY is in a much-improved state do to Cuomo's leadership. The people that live in NY are not genetically different that Florida or Nevada. The virus not being here as much as NY and Cali is not an issue of why, but when. The spreading had and has a lot to do with travel and logistics.
I think Costco was smart from the beginning. The changes they adapted to their store for safety are minor compared to a few days after the outbreak. They improved the situation, but had intelligently implemented these changes immediately.
I think this is where the problem lies. The businesses opening have no guidance from above (state or federal). Costco is acting smart and taking some leadership, but some stores are not. Remember, a far superior race does not shop at Costco vs. Orsay (where I see massive crowds grouped outside not wearing masks.
Now we can say some businesses are being smart while others are choosing to careless, but the problem is much bigger than that. It was obvious if we open without strict guidance, there would be inconsistencies all over the place. The virus spread of the virus is not due to quality of coffee at a particular coffee shop.
The people that are shopping at Costco are following the rules because they have to or they will have to leave and kudos to them.
My personal opinion is that the people are chaotic and businesses are run by people. Some businesses have good leadership or management and some do not.
We vote on politicians for 2 things (day to day running of a territory and smart action in a time of crisis).
It is the second one that I am having trouble here. For a government to (just open) without some guidance is frightening to me// You don't have to be a master of human psychology to know that a restaurant that is not following hygene rules in this situation will cause problems. It was also easy to predict that some businesses would not follow the rules and probably could have used a rule book to follow.
Now, I might be wrong and I sure hope I am, but remember Democrats want to get the F out of their house and work too, I think we could have used (some kind of system) that would have cut down on the chaos. And I know: This is a free country, but another person's freedom does not end a foot past my face. Every irresponsible person in this situation puts my wife at risk and every first line responders at risk. It puts our small children and elderly at risk. And overall, it puts our economy at risk/ because if this all hits the fan again, we are right back where we started.
thought this was interesting:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/costco-employee-going-super-viral-161700380.html
Maybe I am asking certain leaders of states to act this way!
Kudos to this employee!
Totally agree with you, JCJohnpaint!
Will you comply with a mandatory federal government Covid inoculation program if one should occur? Would you carry your "proof of inoculation papers" to present to authorities if asked?
Why bother watching Cuomo's addresses? He's in NY, the epicenter of infection in the US. NYC has more cases than any other entire STATE. You're doing yourself a disservice by consuming media which is designed to scare you.
The people who don't wear masks aren't trying to hurt you or your family, you have no idea what they're going through themselves, nor can you ascribe intent onto their actions. Being cautious is a good idea, acting and thinking in fear of your fellow human is detrimental to your mental health.
Do yourself a favor and unplug from the news and social media for a bit. Sensationalism sells, and it's enthralling to consume, but it ultimately does you almost no good and doesn't provide useful information in your day-to-day functioning.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 21, 2020, 09:18:15 AM
Will you comply with a mandatory federal government Covid inoculation program if one should occur? Would you carry your "proof of inoculation papers" to present to authorities if asked?
I'm getting in line for an inoculation as soon as one's available.
Quote from: Tacachale on May 21, 2020, 10:30:05 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 21, 2020, 09:18:15 AM
Will you comply with a mandatory federal government Covid inoculation program if one should occur? Would you carry your "proof of inoculation papers" to present to authorities if asked?
I'm getting in line for an inoculation as soon as one's available.
Ditto.
Day one.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on May 21, 2020, 11:33:53 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on May 21, 2020, 10:30:05 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 21, 2020, 09:18:15 AM
Will you comply with a mandatory federal government Covid inoculation program if one should occur? Would you carry your "proof of inoculation papers" to present to authorities if asked?
I'm getting in line for an inoculation as soon as one's available.
Ditto.
Day one.
Me also... but how is it enforced? Are you issued a inoculation Card? What about those who refuse? Deny entry to movie theaters... busses... airlines...? How much enforcement/intrusion is proper/appropriate?
So how many of you get your yearly flu shots only to come down with the flu because you weren't vaccinated for 'that particular strain'?
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 21, 2020, 11:44:47 AM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on May 21, 2020, 11:33:53 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on May 21, 2020, 10:30:05 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 21, 2020, 09:18:15 AM
Will you comply with a mandatory federal government Covid inoculation program if one should occur? Would you carry your "proof of inoculation papers" to present to authorities if asked?
I'm getting in line for an inoculation as soon as one's available.
Ditto.
Day one.
Me also... but how is it enforced? Are you issued a inoculation Card? What about those who refuse? Deny entry to movie theaters... busses... airlines...? How much enforcement/intrusion is proper/appropriate?
Not sure how it will be done, but I have heard talk of people being issued certificates if they have had the vaccine or have the antibodies. At least the idea has been floated - no idea what will actually happen, of course.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 21, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
So how many of you get your yearly flu shots only to come down with the flu because you weren't vaccinated for 'that particular strain'?
Even simpler... how many actually bother to even get the flu shot? I'll tell you... under 50%
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on May 21, 2020, 12:24:25 PM
Of course I also think people in this country should give a damn about financial education and maybe missing/reducing paychecks wouldn't be Armageddon. But based upon the pictures, at least the people waiting in food bank lines drive a better car than me...so they have that going for them.
It's a problem that goes all the way up to the top of the chain - look at all the businesses looking for bailouts and help from the government. If they had been saving their money, they'd be able to rely on that. At least that's what we tell the working poor.
And it's also worth noting that the government doesn't want people to save - they want people to spend. I recall that during the last recession that was a concern that was actually voiced - that the gov't was concerned because people were saving money instead of spending it (due to the uncertainty).
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on May 21, 2020, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Adam White on May 21, 2020, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on May 21, 2020, 12:24:25 PM
Of course I also think people in this country should give a damn about financial education and maybe missing/reducing paychecks wouldn't be Armageddon. But based upon the pictures, at least the people waiting in food bank lines drive a better car than me...so they have that going for them.
It's a problem that goes all the way up to the top of the chain - look at all the businesses looking for bailouts and help from the government. If they had been saving their money, they'd be able to rely on that. At least that's what we tell the working poor.
And it's also worth noting that the government doesn't want people to save - they want people to spend. I recall that during the last recession that was a concern that was actually voiced - that the gov't was concerned because people were saving money instead of spending it (due to the uncertainty).
I agree about the top but my comment was geared to concentrating on what people can control.
Government and Wall Street is a nice marriage. One wants em dumb and dependent while the other wants to dumb em down and profit. I don't care if people stick to their little Partisan fantasies of what little Letter is going to be their hero, But they need to take some action on improving their own situation too.
And you are correct on Government not wanting people to save. Too much of our economy depends on spending. Keep em spending. Take on more debt so they can spend more. Let's make America even greater.
I get what you mean.
As of April 2020 Jax metropolitan area's unemployment rate is at 11.2 percent amid the covid 19; it is the 3rd lowest metro unemployment rate in the states 26 metros, only behind the metros of Gainesville and Tallahassee. Jax's unemployment rate is ahead of the average state rate (12.9)
Notable Florida metro areas unemployment rates
Tallahassee 8.1
Gainesville 8.9
Jacksonville 11.2
Miami 11.9
Pensacola 12.0
Tampa 13.1
West Palm Beach 13.9
Fort Lauderdale 14.5
Daytona Beach 14.7
Orlando 16.2
http://lmsresources.labormarketinfo.com/library/press/release.pdf
It's good to see that Miami did so well (with all things considered) with South Florida being the hardest covid hit in the state. It's no surprise that Orlando is the most hardest hit (unemployment rate) in FL, being mainly tourist centric and all; ORL have to diversify that economy some more in the future (I'm not saying that it's anything wrong with tourist attractions).
UF Health Jacksonville Covid-19 hospitalizations:
May 18: 9
May 22: 22
Yeah... I have a sinking feeling that two weeks after this weekend we will have a large spike...
But the Mayor will keep touting "Number of Tests" as his metric, and won't reinstate any of the restrictions.
Looking at the crowds in Daytona and Clearwater Beach this weekend, and knowing people not taking this serious, there's no doubt in my mind that the numbers will be going back up.
https://www.theledger.com/news/20200524/fired-scientist-defends-covid-19-data-role
Covid19 isn't viable outdoors outside of the human body. Unless those folks are doing some mouth to mouth breathing, it's unlikely much of anyone will catch it at the beach.
Note that despite all the hoopla, it wasn't the problem for spring breakers. Now maybe they were lucky and early. After all, drunk college kids are known for doing some mouth to mouth breathing.
And Florida's beaches have been open since Mid-April. With a 5 day median incubation, if this was an issue we would've already had a break out.
I'm not so sure about believing that you can't catch COVID at the beach in crowded conditions. That certainly was not the case in South Florida:
QuoteThe Costly Toll of Not Shutting Down Spring Break Earlier
People got sick - and some died - after attending crowded parties and theme parks in Florida as the coronavirus spread.
Full article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/florida-spring-break-coronavirus.html
QuoteWhile police officers are on their bikes patrolling along the roads in Fort Lauderdale and the city's beach, no one can get out in the sand thanks to closures in place.
However, it wasn't that way several weeks ago when thousands of college students were in South Florida for spring break. The "fun in the sun parties" are now being used as an example as to why shelter in place and social distancing are so important.
Full article: https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/spring-breakers-may-have-taken-coronavirus-from-south-florida-across-u-s-data-firm/2213356/
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on May 27, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
Covid19 isn't viable outdoors outside of the human body. Unless those folks are doing some mouth to mouth breathing, it's unlikely much of anyone will catch it at the beach.
Note that despite all the hoopla, it wasn't the problem for spring breakers. Now maybe they were lucky and early. After all, drunk college kids are known for doing some mouth to mouth breathing.
And Florida's beaches have been open since Mid-April. With a 5 day median incubation, if this was an issue we would've already had a break out.
This is bad information
Regarding those photos of people packed into a pool in Missouri or wherever it was... That's pretty disgusting even without a virus. Covid-19 can definitely spread outdoors, just not as readily as indoors. But if you are close to people all bets are off whether indoors or out. It's been proven to spread just from being near someone speaking.
This is going to be a balancing act. It's not going to be possible to stay locked down for the duration but being cautious would be helpful. This could go on for years without a miracle vaccine.
Spent last weekend in Savannah... I would say roughly 2/3 of shops, restaurants and bars were open. I would estimate roughly half of the open shops required face masks. My Jax experience is few wearing masks and fewer distancing...
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on June 15, 2020, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on June 15, 2020, 09:43:18 AM
Spent last weekend in Savannah... I would say roughly 2/3 of shops, restaurants and bars were open. I would estimate roughly half of the open shops required face masks. My Jax experience is few wearing masks and fewer distancing...
Savannah? Not Chaz?
Lol... not my kind of scene...
Great article regarding the efficacy of wearing masks...
https://quillette.com/2020/06/17/reassessing-the-guidance-on-face-masks/
NO social distancing or masks at San Marco La Nop this weekend either - staff nor patrons.
Big long lines running past Maxwell House for Covid testing at Lot J now as well. For those who don't believe they need masks, now may not be a bad time to reconsider when in the locations where social distancing is not a feasible option.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on June 17, 2020, 10:16:47 AM
So one of the Mensa members from the Jax Beach Bar Covid birthday party went on CNN and said that their Mayor and Governor had said " everything was fine".
Apparently I missed a press conference.....
They did not say everything was fine. They just basically blamed everything aside from things they were responsible for and said they are not going to change anything. So they paraphrased "no need to change anything" into "everything is fine."
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on June 17, 2020, 10:16:47 AM
So one of the Mensa members from the Jax Beach Bar Covid birthday party went on CNN and said that their Mayor and Governor had said " everything was fine".
Apparently I missed a press conference.....
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2020/06/17/16-friends-coronavirus-florida-bar/
Quote from: thelakelander on June 17, 2020, 12:13:13 PM
Big long lines running past Maxwell House for Covid testing at Lot J now as well. For those who don't believe they need masks, now may not be a bad time to reconsider when in the locations where social distancing is not a feasible option.
Apparently there has been a huge surge in testing the past few days...
AHCA reporting that less than 25% of ICU beds in FL available currently. Not sure what regular occupancy levels and unsure exactly how many beds are connected to COVID, but here's hoping that outbreak at the beach is contained and those infected don't need to go to the hospital.
For inquiring minds, the scientist who first identified coronavirus...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Almeida
Quote from: thelakelander on June 17, 2020, 12:13:13 PM
Big long lines running past Maxwell House for Covid testing at Lot J now as well.
Even longer running the opposite direction.
I have
never seen the lines as long as they have been these last two days.
Really scary.
This was yesterday when I was driving in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HnYnFS2rrA
That video really makes me wish they weren't bringing the Hart ramp down to street level. Just tear it down and let the road be.
Quote from: marcuscnelson on June 19, 2020, 10:33:53 PM
That video really makes me wish they weren't bringing the Hart ramp down to street level. Just tear it down and let the road be.
That's pretty much what they are going to do. The "new" East Bay Street (Gator Bowl Blvd.) will be four lanes, just like the current one. There will be sidewalks and bikelanes (but no JTA mini-car lanes. The intersection at A. P. Randolph will be an interchange, to bring the remaining Hart Ramp between APR and Liberty Street back to ground level. The ramp between the Hart Bridge and GB Blvd. will come to ground just east of the WJCT entrance.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on June 19, 2020, 11:27:16 PM
The intersection at A. P. Randolph will be an interchange, to bring the remaining Hart Ramp between APR and Liberty Street back to ground level.
This part is the sticking point. We've been over it in other threads, but having that one portion of street sandwiched between two ramps instead of just the one from the bridge makes it more likely that people will just use the ground level portion to speed between the two ramps.
Quote from: MandarinNole on June 18, 2020, 08:02:58 AM
AHCA reporting that less than 25% of ICU beds in FL available currently. Not sure what regular occupancy levels and unsure exactly how many beds are connected to COVID, but ...
It's normal for ICU beds to be almost full/full, because people typically stay in them for a short time, high turnover.
COVID19 complicates this, because if you are admitted to the ICU for COVID19, your stay likely won't be short, thus taking up capacity.
So, why someone is in an ICU bed is much more relevant than the raw data of availability.
Data is showing that this new wave in Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, and Orlando metros is disproportionately impacting 18-35 year olds. Will be interesting to see if hospital beds remain pretty open due to that fact. Also, deaths are down to March-like levels according to the State's data even with the smaller spike at the beginning of June.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on June 22, 2020, 08:28:54 AM
As best I can determine, hospitalization data is still way below previous peak despite all of the " new cases" . Perhaps a shitload of positive tests with no symptoms isn't Armageddon. Still early, but encouraging.
We just need to live with this until viable vaccines. It is what it is.
Be smarter with diet/ exercise to improve ones own health, Support local businesses but with intelligent social distancing, get some comfortable ( and fashionable!) masks, and don't Cuomo the elderly.
Or hide under the bed and tweet. Whatever works for you.
It's some ridiculous rate of mortality in assisted living facilities and nursing homes. I am glad they are still on complete lockdown here unlike what happened in New York during their initial rise when Cuomo forced assisted living facilities to take back virus victims making it spread like wildfire. That remains the most boneheaded decision of this whole emergency.
Quote from: FlaBoy on June 21, 2020, 11:40:18 PM
Data is showing that this new wave in Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, and Orlando metros is disproportionately impacting 18-35 year olds. Will be interesting to see if hospital beds remain pretty open due to that fact. Also, deaths are down to March-like levels according to the State's data even with the smaller spike at the beginning of June.
Disproportionately impacting? Is there anything that the media won't milk by tryign to turn it into a soap opera.
Amazingly when people who feel somewhat invincible start getting some tests cuz their friends did, we find more of the virus.
We're testing more and finding more.
As for the rate, who cares. The proof is in the pudding; overnight hospitalizations aren't on the up and up.
ICU beds are big money makers for hospitals ( and expsive, too ), so if they justify putting a paitent in those, they will. It doesn't tell us nothing about Covid19 to blindly look at those numbers.
Aslo, if I'm catching this right, private labs are NOT reporting negative test results to the state. If that is the case then as testing by private labs expands we would expect the rate of positive tests to go up since a large portion of tests taken aren't being reported and counted.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-connecticut-new-jersey-14-day-quarantine-states-coronavirus
QuoteNew York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont and New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy in a virtual joint-press conference Wednesday announced a joint travel advisory, which will go into effect at midnight, that will require individuals traveling from states including Arkansas, Alabama, Arizona, South Carolina, Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Utah and Washington to quarantine for 14 days.
BTW, if anyone wants a microcosm of Jacksonville Politics right now, here it is. Scroll to the top, Start with Garrett Dennis' Tweet and read from there:
For context (for those who don't know), Hugh Greene is the recently retired CEO of Baptist Health.
https://twitter.com/leannacumber/status/1275571781663891456?s=21
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on June 24, 2020, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 24, 2020, 02:10:17 PM
BTW, if anyone wants a microcosm of Jacksonville Politics right now, here it is. Scroll to the top, Start with Garrett Dennis' Tweet and read from there:
For context (for those who don't know), Hugh Greene is the recently retired CEO of Baptist Health.
https://twitter.com/leannacumber/status/1275571781663891456?s=21
No thanks. I do my best to avoid twitter especially regarding politics. About the only thing I usually learn is that people are even more ignorant than I thought. Which is saying something considering I am using a baseline of rocks.
It wasn't positive, I'll give you that.
High Level:
- CM Dennis insulted the Host Committee for the RNC
- CM Cumber took personal offense
- CM Dennis said he wasn't referring to her (who knows as it wasn't clear but it didn't seem like he was)
- Hugh Greene said while he really liked Cumber he was disappointed she was helping host the RNC
- Mayor Curry insulted Greene because he doesn't Tweet often, said Greene is old school, and it's a new day.
Holy hell.
Elections have consequences.
Quote from: marcuscnelson on June 24, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
Elections have consequences.
Cumber wasn't elected. She was appointed by the fundraisers. She ran unopposed. Yet she got bumper stickers made to support her campaign and still has one on her car.
I'm not sure why Cumber thought he was talking about her, but maybe it's because she was added late and thought he was only referring to the three new additions.
Dennis' Response: "Actually, I wasn't. Glad I could provide a nice soap box for you to toot your own horn in super loud fashion, tho."
Lenny Smash!
Quote from: Captain Zissou on June 24, 2020, 05:41:33 PM
Quote from: marcuscnelson on June 24, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
Elections have consequences.
Cumber wasn't elected. She was appointed by the fundraisers. She ran unopposed. Yet she got bumper stickers made to support her campaign and still has one on her car.
My point still stands. If people don't participate in the democratic process, whether through simply voting or by running, then the resulting election has consequences.
"It will be interesting to see if restaurants and bars take the suspension threats seriously as I have certainly seen guidelines not being followed."
I went to Strings tonight for 1 year Anniversary. Outside of a few staff members (very few) , certainly not all and certainly not the owner or his family, NO MASKS, NO SOCIAL DISTANCING. It was pretty crowded. Not drawing any conclusions, just telling you what was going on there last night. Obviously hard to celebrate (aka eat and drink) 6 feet apart and with masks on......
New cases in Florida today at 5,511 which is a new record. It's interesting to see people declaring victory when this party is just getting started. Hopefully Jax is spared but why would it be?
Quote from: Lunican on June 24, 2020, 10:25:47 PM
Hopefully Jax is spared but why would it be?
Everything happens for a reason?
: )
I like Strings, and I wanted to get a beer. The beer and food was good. I did wear a mask until my food came. I sat at the table by the kitchen, it's the most isolated table in the place. One employee (the ONE who was wearing a mask) sort of hung out near us but kept her mask on the whole time.
I would guess the crowd would have no problem with the RNC, but I did not poll anyone. It was as if there was no pandemic at all. The good ole days!
Texas forced to roll back it's reopening plan. Is Florida next?
It's a virus, not a death sentence
Quote from: Lunican on June 26, 2020, 11:06:22 AM
Texas forced to roll back it's reopening plan. Is Florida next?
Yep. Florida just effectively closed all bars back down. No alcohol sales at bars.
Wow! 8,942 new cases reported today! I figured the numbers would be shocking after the alcohol ban on bars.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on June 26, 2020, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 26, 2020, 11:24:39 AM
Quote from: Lunican on June 26, 2020, 11:06:22 AM
Texas forced to roll back it's reopening plan. Is Florida next?
Yep. Florida just effectively closed all bars back down. No alcohol sales at bars.
If that includes restaurants, I may start rioting.
Nope, just bars. You can put your can of spray paint away. :)
Quote from: Lunican on June 26, 2020, 01:47:25 PM
Wow! 8,942 new cases reported today! I figured the numbers would be shocking after the alcohol ban on bars.
I haven't been to a bar in a while. What the hell has been going on since they reopened?!
I was feeling unwell over the weekend and got tested last Saturday in St. Augustine... I only just got the call a few minutes ago that I tested negative, and I've had a cold all this time.
Don't forget that the numbers we see each day are anywhere between a few days and two weeks delayed from what's happened. We won't actually know how much reopening bars scuttled our efforts until closer to mid-July. And we won't know about the alcohol ban's impact until after that.
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on June 26, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
It's a virus, not a death sentence
Good point. I haven't seen anyone posting that they died from it.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on June 26, 2020, 03:45:53 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on June 26, 2020, 02:48:19 PM
Quote from: Lunican on June 26, 2020, 01:47:25 PM
Wow! 8,942 new cases reported today! I figured the numbers would be shocking after the alcohol ban on bars.
I haven't been to a bar in a while. What the hell has been going on since they reopened?!
MusicMan had to have a beer. Then all hell broke loose.
Coincidence? I think not!
Another record breaker. 9,585 new cases yesterday in Florida.
214 Jacksonville firefighters self-quarantine after exposure to COVID-19 - 14 test positive
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/curry-214-firefighters-self-quarantine-after-14-test-positive-covid-19/BECALLNRBRF47PAVE7W5L7MLHQ/
According to the COJ Fast Facts, JFRD employs about 1400 - but not all those are firefighters.
677 new cases in Jax yesterday. Lot J had 700 cars waiting and they shut it down due to reaching max tests today.
Will lot j testing be shut down for the RNC?
Quote from: Lunican on June 27, 2020, 02:48:12 PM
Will lot j testing be shut down for the RNC?
I think Curry[favor*] has said he hopes to relocate it to someplace inside. What with hurricanes and other bad weather coming up.
I'm guessing the "no booze at bars" rule will be suspended by then. Even if only for the Jacksonville area.
* I stole this from someone on Facebox
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on June 26, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
It's a virus, not a death sentence
Not a smart statement. For some it will be. And it's preventable. No one knows how each person responds. Young healthy people have died or had horrifying complications. I don't play Russian Roulette.
Quote from: FlaBoy on June 22, 2020, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on June 22, 2020, 08:28:54 AM
As best I can determine, hospitalization data is still way below previous peak despite all of the " new cases" . Perhaps a shitload of positive tests with no symptoms isn't Armageddon. Still early, but encouraging.
We just need to live with this until viable vaccines. It is what it is.
Be smarter with diet/ exercise to improve ones own health, Support local businesses but with intelligent social distancing, get some comfortable ( and fashionable!) masks, and don't Cuomo the elderly.
Or hide under the bed and tweet. Whatever works for you.
It's some ridiculous rate of mortality in assisted living facilities and nursing homes. I am glad they are still on complete lockdown here unlike what happened in New York during their initial rise when Cuomo forced assisted living facilities to take back virus victims making it spread like wildfire. That remains the most boneheaded decision of this whole emergency.
Nope the most boneheaded is the IDIOT president refusing to go on national tv and telling his moron cult members to wear masks and social distance. He should have gone on TV and worn a mask and stop being the piece of crap he is. He did not start the virus but did nothing to prevent thousands of deaths.
tds much
One hundred twenty-seven thousand Americans are dead, Bill.
Went to a steakhouse yesterday for lunch; we noticed all staff wearing masks properly, except for the busser, who was just keeping her chin warm with it. Clearing away used utensils/half eaten food etc. seems pretty risky these days, without covering up properly. Also wondering about the true cleanliness/safety of linen napkins in the restaurants. Most of them smell of rank oil anyway, we wondered if they are actually using a laundry sanitizer on them during this pandemic.
TDS is thinking its ok that 200K will die because you don't want to be inconvenienced.
Clearly young people are not concerned about how their actions affect the rest of society...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on June 29, 2020, 06:39:38 PM
Clearly young people are not concerned about how their actions affect the rest of society...
*Some young people.
I've also seen a metric ton of people around Jacksonville of all ages - from children to the elderly - in Publix, restaurants, and other crowded places without masks as well. Is there an age divide in terms of masks? Probably. But there's also a political divide that's just as flagrant. And perhaps an educational divide as well. Throw in a governor and mayor who have been resistant to take a strong stand on masks, and it all gets even muddier.
Glad we've got a clear policy in place now.
Was in Target at 7 PM and even on night one, it was encouraging to see 95% cooperation. The 5% were about what you'd expect them to be.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on June 29, 2020, 06:39:38 PM
Clearly young people are not concerned about how their actions affect the rest of society...
Ah, come on man. Don't make broad sweeping generalizations that are completely unfounded. I've seen just as many elders, middle aged people, and young people with masks on or off. Inability to obtain a mask, forgetfulness, medical conditions, a confirmed negative COVID test, there's a litany of reasons a person of any age could be not wearing a mask. You can't just imply ill intent or reckless endangerment because of what you see.
Don't fall victim to the purposeful polarization and pitting of people against eachother because of a tiny piece of cloth.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on June 29, 2020, 09:51:23 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on June 29, 2020, 06:39:38 PM
Clearly young people are not concerned about how their actions affect the rest of society...
*Some young people.
I've also seen a metric ton of people around Jacksonville of all ages - from children to the elderly - in Publix, restaurants, and other crowded places without masks as well. Is there an age divide in terms of masks? Probably. But there's also a political divide that's just as flagrant. And perhaps an educational divide as well. Throw in a governor and mayor who have been resistant to take a strong stand on masks, and it all gets even muddier.
Glad we've got a clear policy in place now.
Was in Target at 7 PM and even on night one, it was encouraging to see 95% cooperation. The 5% were about what you'd expect them to be.
What is that?
Quote from: Ken_FSU on June 29, 2020, 09:51:23 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on June 29, 2020, 06:39:38 PM
Clearly young people are not concerned about how their actions affect the rest of society...
*Some young people.
I've also seen a metric ton of people around Jacksonville of all ages - from children to the elderly - in Publix, restaurants, and other crowded places without masks as well. Is there an age divide in terms of masks? Probably. But there's also a political divide that's just as flagrant. And perhaps an educational divide as well. Throw in a governor and mayor who have been resistant to take a strong stand on masks, and it all gets even muddier.
Glad we've got a clear policy in place now.
Was in Target at 7 PM and even on night one, it was encouraging to see 95% cooperation. The 5% were about what you'd expect them to be.
Hmmm.... that isn't what the latest testing shows... but hey...
A Wall Street Journal feature on Taco Lu's handling of COVID19 policy:
https://www.wsj.com/video/as-virus-cases-rise-a-florida-restaurant-stays-flexible-to-stay-open/1251E1D0-7B70-42C5-AAED-C7E07DAB9F0A.html
Quote from: Bill Hoff on June 30, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
A Wall Street Journal feature on Taco Lu's handling of COVID19 policy:
https://www.wsj.com/video/as-virus-cases-rise-a-florida-restaurant-stays-flexible-to-stay-open/1251E1D0-7B70-42C5-AAED-C7E07DAB9F0A.html
Don seems to care more about the safety of his people than most politicians around here.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on June 30, 2020, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: Bill Hoff on June 30, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
A Wall Street Journal feature on Taco Lu's handling of COVID19 policy:
https://www.wsj.com/video/as-virus-cases-rise-a-florida-restaurant-stays-flexible-to-stay-open/1251E1D0-7B70-42C5-AAED-C7E07DAB9F0A.html
Don seems to care more about the safety of his people than most politicians around here.
You mean the politicians who keep pleading with the public to social distance and wear masks and act like adults??
Remember, we're being told there's no evidence that the protests contributed to the recent spike, but all the other non-political gatherings were totally right-wing Trump supporters super-spreading the virus like crazy!
Also don't forget the number of cases is going up, but the death rate is not being reported! Flatten the cur..OH nope, slow the sprea...DOH no! we gotta STOP the spread! Because even if you're seemingly healthy you could be asymptomatic... but it's really deadly! Even though...you may...carry...it...with no symptoms at all...and you're part of the problem!
Also every uninformed person is now an expert in epidemiology all of the sudden, so we should all get on eachother's case and really polarize one another and get angry with one another for not obeying the government orders!
UNITY
And where is your epidemiology degree from?
I don't have one, so I listen to those that do. Not to politicians who ignored the advice of people who know what they are talking about. I don't believe one state met the CDC's guidelines for Stage 1 re-opening before moving to Stage 1 or, in many cases, Stage 2.
Must we re-visit the response from February and March that was so feeble? You will be seeing that in your TV every day from October 1st to November 3rd.....
By the way, little ole New Zealand is back at at their normal economic activity, ZERO cases.....
Also, hard to remember but the government did not shut down the PGA, NBA, NCAA, or any other such large gathering. That was done by the leaders of those institutions.
Quote from: Peter Griffin on June 30, 2020, 07:10:27 PM
Remember, we're being told there's no evidence that the protests contributed to the recent spike, but all the other non-political gatherings were totally right-wing Trump supporters super-spreading the virus like crazy!
Also don't forget the number of cases is going up, but the death rate is not being reported! Flatten the cur..OH nope, slow the sprea...DOH no! we gotta STOP the spread! Because even if you're seemingly healthy you could be asymptomatic... but it's really deadly! Even though...you may...carry...it...with no symptoms at all...and you're part of the problem!
Also every uninformed person is now an expert in epidemiology all of the sudden, so we should all get on eachother's case and really polarize one another and get angry with one another for not obeying the government orders!
UNITY
Stop making a logical argument, put your mask on and cower in fear.
One hundred twenty-nine thousand Americans are dead, Bill.
Quote from: marcuscnelson on June 30, 2020, 11:00:57 PM
One hundred twenty-nine thousand Americans are dead, Bill.
so the flu
Quote from: Charles Hunter on June 30, 2020, 07:22:31 PM
And where is your epidemiology degree from?
I don't have one, so I listen to those that do.
I never claimed to have one, don't twist my words up! I'd also almost guarantee that you don't actually consult epidemiologists, but instead get your "info" from news sources who make fantastic ad revenue from the ratings spike associated with the increased viewership due to widespread fear associated with the widespread reporting of the severity of the pandemic.
COVID is real and serious, but don't forget to consider the source of your information and back check their sources occasionally as well.
Quote from: marcuscnelson on June 30, 2020, 11:00:57 PM
One hundred twenty-nine thousand Americans are dead, Bill.
Do you mean deaths of people who tested positive for COVID? Was COVID identified as the sole or even primary cause of death? You're posting a statistic with no citation completely out of context with no qualifiers on it. A lot more people than that have died in America this year. If you're gonna act like a parrot at least act like an accurate parrot.
Quote from: MusicMan on June 30, 2020, 09:57:22 PM
Must we re-visit the response from February and March that was so feeble? You will be seeing that in your TV every day from October 1st to November 3rd.....
By the way, little ole New Zealand is back at at their normal economic activity, ZERO cases.....
Also, hard to remember but the government did not shut down the PGA, NBA, NCAA, or any other such large gathering. That was done by the leaders of those institutions.
Tiny country surrounded by water... and a society where wearing masks, social distancing, and prudent measures are common sense. Great comparison...
Quote from: bill on June 30, 2020, 11:07:53 PM
Quote from: marcuscnelson on June 30, 2020, 11:00:57 PM
One hundred twenty-nine thousand Americans are dead, Bill.
so the flu
Not the flu... nothing like the flu...
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 01, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
My quick summary of the pandemic.
1. The Right and Left wingnuts even view pandemics through a partisan lense.
2. All levels of government shockingly ill prepared and wasted trillions of tax dollars.
3. All levels of people are shockingly ill prepared financially
4. The media is so partisan that the quality of reporting we get is worse than third world countries
5.Virtually no one understands how to use data and statistical analysis is non existent
6.Too many people only think about themselves
7. It's all about propping up the assets of the rich ( :) ;D :) ;D)
In other words...nothing new to see here. Carry on.
This is refreshing, like a sip of a cold sparkling water.
Take away the word "virus" and this sounds kinda like business as usual in the US...
Quote from: Peter Griffin on July 01, 2020, 08:38:46 AM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 01, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
My quick summary of the pandemic.
1. The Right and Left wingnuts even view pandemics through a partisan lense.
2. All levels of government shockingly ill prepared and wasted trillions of tax dollars.
3. All levels of people are shockingly ill prepared financially
4. The media is so partisan that the quality of reporting we get is worse than third world countries
5.Virtually no one understands how to use data and statistical analysis is non existent
6.Too many people only think about themselves
7. It's all about propping up the assets of the rich ( :) ;D :) ;D)
so the flu
In other words...nothing new to see here. Carry on.
This is refreshing, like a sip of a cold sparkling water.
Take away the word "virus" and this sounds kinda like business as usual in the US...
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 02, 2020, 08:11:20 AM
The above post makes it look like " so the flu" was part of my post. It was not.
I get myself into enough trouble. I don't need any help.
bill often has issues using the "quote" button...
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 01, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
My quick summary of the pandemic.
4. The media is so partisan that the quality of reporting we get is worse than third world countries
I can't comment on how partisan the US media is, but my wife and I finally got sick of watching BBC every morning as it was nothing more than fluff pieces about old guys walking around to raise money for the NHS and stuff like that.
Anyway, we have been watching Al Jazeera and France 24 for a over a month now and actually know more about what is going on around the world (including back home - Florida features regularly). And they don't talk to you like you're an idiot. So win-win.
Florida daily total up to 10,109 cases. Local hospitalization numbers have gone way up as well.
Vanity Fair saying Convention in JAX may be cancelled. Doesn't seem very firm though.
I think it will be cancelled. Who would even want to go to that?
QuoteTo console himself, Trump still has moments of magical thinking. "He says the polls are all fake," a Republican in touch with Trump told me. But the bad news keeps coming. This week, Jacksonville, Florida—where Trump moved the Republican National Convention so he could hold a 15,000-person rally next month—mandated that people wear masks indoors to slow the explosion of COVID-19 cases. According to a Republican working on the convention, the campaign is now preparing to cancel the event so that Trump doesn't suffer another Tulsa–like humiliation. "They probably won't have it," the source said. "It's not going to be the soft landing Trump wanted."
Neither the Trump campaign nor the White House responded to requests for comment.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/trump-despondent-as-numbers-crater-loser-label-looms
Quote from: Lunican on July 02, 2020, 03:55:38 PM
I think it will be cancelled. Who would even want to go to that?
I'm pretty sure Lenny Curry would attend.
Quote from: thelakelander on July 02, 2020, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: Lunican on July 02, 2020, 03:55:38 PM
I think it will be cancelled. Who would even want to go to that?
I'm pretty sure Lenny Curry would attend.
and Desantis
Curry is probably secretly hoping it is cancelled.
Quote from: Papa33 on July 02, 2020, 04:24:15 PM
Curry is probably secretly hoping it is cancelled.
I doubt it, he's in too deep.
"I think it will be cancelled. Who would even want to go to that?"
I think in Jax it would be well attended. In the past 24 hours my wife, who has worn a mask in public since March, has been scolded by non mask wearing (I assume Trump supporters) at both the Starbucks in San Marco Sq and this morning at Whole Foods in Mandarin. Organized groups (some with megaphones) going out of their way to try and intimidate mask wearing people, Shouting "You look stupid" and "I cant breath" at her and those other folks who happen to be wearing one. Trump's true base is literally rabid, they have lost their rational selves as he has melted down before our very eyes. And its probably true he refuses to wear a mask because it will disturb his spray on tan. What in the world has happened to this Nation?
And if nothing else, there are plenty of people all over North Florida who would be excited to attend.
Jax is now Number 1 in the nation for infection rate. Maybe we should change the name from COVID to football.
Quote from: MusicMan on July 03, 2020, 10:53:09 AM
"I think it will be cancelled. Who would even want to go to that?"
I think in Jax it would be well attended. In the past 24 hours my wife, who has worn a mask in public since March, has been scolded by non mask wearing (I assume Trump supporters) at both the Starbucks in San Marco Sq and this morning at Whole Foods in Mandarin. Organized groups (some with megaphones) going out of their way to try and intimidate mask wearing people, Shouting "You look stupid" and "I cant breath" at her and those other folks who happen to be wearing one. Trump's true base is literally rabid, they have lost their rational selves as he has melted down before our very eyes. And its probably true he refuses to wear a mask because it will disturb his spray on tan. What in the world has happened to this Nation?
What kind of person takes time out of their day to yell at people wearing masks during a pandemic?
Those people will be in the hospital or someone close to them will get seriously sick and they'll change their tune by the end of August.
My wife said the ones at Starbucks were younger people, older folks at Whole Foods. And I agree, what type of person does this?
Quote from: Lunican on July 03, 2020, 02:09:33 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on July 03, 2020, 10:53:09 AM
"I think it will be cancelled. Who would even want to go to that?"
I think in Jax it would be well attended. In the past 24 hours my wife, who has worn a mask in public since March, has been scolded by non mask wearing (I assume Trump supporters) at both the Starbucks in San Marco Sq and this morning at Whole Foods in Mandarin. Organized groups (some with megaphones) going out of their way to try and intimidate mask wearing people, Shouting "You look stupid" and "I cant breath" at her and those other folks who happen to be wearing one. Trump's true base is literally rabid, they have lost their rational selves as he has melted down before our very eyes. And its probably true he refuses to wear a mask because it will disturb his spray on tan. What in the world has happened to this Nation?
What kind of person takes time out of their day to yell at people wearing masks during a pandemic?
Those people will be in the hospital or someone close to them will get seriously sick and they'll change their tune by the end of August.
I saw them yesterday in San Marco Square. 6 people, mostly younger, with a megaphone and a sign that said "I can't breathe" with a mask on it. Real classy.
Quote from: Adam White on July 02, 2020, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 01, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
My quick summary of the pandemic.
4. The media is so partisan that the quality of reporting we get is worse than third world countries
I can't comment on how partisan the US media is, but my wife and I finally got sick of watching BBC every morning as it was nothing more than fluff pieces about old guys walking around to raise money for the NHS and stuff like that.
Anyway, we have been watching Al Jazeera and France 24 for a over a month now and actually know more about what is going on around the world (including back home - Florida features regularly). And they don't talk to you like you're an idiot. So win-win.
I don't know about France 24 but I visit Al Jazeera just to see their "slant " or version of current events. Their articles go through the same type of editing or bias as the other "mainstream " sources...
What is Al Jazeera saying about Florida's Covid-19 spike and the decision to bring the RNC to town?
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 04, 2020, 07:23:50 AM
Quote from: Adam White on July 02, 2020, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 01, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
My quick summary of the pandemic.
4. The media is so partisan that the quality of reporting we get is worse than third world countries
I can't comment on how partisan the US media is, but my wife and I finally got sick of watching BBC every morning as it was nothing more than fluff pieces about old guys walking around to raise money for the NHS and stuff like that.
Anyway, we have been watching Al Jazeera and France 24 for a over a month now and actually know more about what is going on around the world (including back home - Florida features regularly). And they don't talk to you like you're an idiot. So win-win.
I don't know about France 24 but I visit Al Jazeera just to see their "slant " or version of current events. Their articles go through the same type of editing or bias as the other "mainstream " sources...
I think as long as people are involved, there will always be some level of 'bias' (for lack of a better word). And as long as people are watching or reading the news, they will find 'bias' where they want to. I wouldn't argue that Al-Jazeera is any more or less biased than BBC Breakfast - but they do offer better news coverage.
Quote from: thelakelander on July 04, 2020, 08:20:05 AM
What is Al Jazeera saying about Florida's Covid-19 spike and the decision to bring the RNC to town?
I've not seen anything about the RNC yet. FL has featured prominently in coverage of the coronavirus spike - probably as much because of the spike in the State as it is because they have a reporter there. CA also has featured. I've seen a number of reports where they spoke to local businesses who were struggling and trying to figure out a way to stay open while still trying to reduce transmission.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/republican-convention-jacksonville-charlotte.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/republican-convention-jacksonville-charlotte.html)
I hope someone is watching the dollars on this.
I guess it's just me, but I'm feeling a certain way reading these threads as well as other social medias.
I haven't worn a mask this entire time until recently when the mandate was thrown down. I still honestly don't believe they help - it may reduce airborne transmission, but everyone is still touching things and pulling their masks down and taking their masks off in and out of the car... IMO it's a complete false sense of security.
But even though I chose not to wear a mask, I also limited exposure to people in general. Limited Starbucks trips. Limited Publix runs and our 'restaurant' adventures have been limited to off-hours or takeout. Going to any 'event' is a bad idea. The fact that it's an 'event' pretty much means that SD isn't a real option.
I guess my long-winded point is that I'm getting the feeling from the mask crowd that 'everything is normal because I have a mask on' is just as boneheaded as the non-mask crowd that feel their liberties are being trampled.
Wear a mask or don't wear a mask, I don't really care. Just limit exposure, observe a larger radius of personal space and remember that the virus transmits in more ways than through the air.
Over 11,00 cases reported today for Florida.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on July 04, 2020, 10:51:35 AM
I guess my long-winded point is that I'm getting the feeling from the mask crowd that 'everything is normal because I have a mask on' is just as boneheaded as the non-mask crowd that feel their liberties are being trampled.
Wear a mask or don't wear a mask, I don't really care. Just limit exposure, observe a larger radius of personal space and remember that the virus transmits in more ways than through the air.
I don't know who is endorsing simply wearing a mask and going about your day like nothing's happening. The idea is supposed to be that we do everything we can to prevent the spread of the virus, including wearing masks, limiting gatherings, implementing social distancing, and additionally protecting more vulnerable populations.
It's like asking if airbags work, why do we need seatbelts? Our failure to take more than one preventative measure at a time is why we've been banned from Europe, our neighbors have closed their borders to us, and our state alone has as many new cases today as all of Australia had total.
Quote from: vicupstate on July 04, 2020, 10:17:43 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/republican-convention-jacksonville-charlotte.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/republican-convention-jacksonville-charlotte.html)
I hope someone is watching the dollars on this.
Unfortunately, we'll very likely take a bath on this.
Quote from: thelakelander on July 04, 2020, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: vicupstate on July 04, 2020, 10:17:43 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/republican-convention-jacksonville-charlotte.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/republican-convention-jacksonville-charlotte.html)
I hope someone is watching the dollars on this.
Unfortunately, we'll very likely take a bath on this.
I was trying to figure out how Curry was going to pay for all his pet projects in normal times given the City's crumbling infrastructure, high murder rate, diminished social services, schools in need of maintenance (which he said he would cover!), the JEA fiasco (nuclear plant funding up next), etc. Now, he will have even less to allocate in this current reality of reduced revenue and increased COVID expenses.
Yet, we continue to spend on Lot J, the stadium and other billionaire Khan projects, needlessly demolish historic and other buildings and ramps, throw money at an "innovation corridor" of limited possibilities, give money to the port to forever destroy our river's ecosystem while not being reasonably assured of its economic benefits and now obligate ourselves for major expenses to hold the RNC Convention which more and more is looking like another "black eye" fiasco on par with JEA and the faux pension solution. Curry is keeping pace with Trump in inflicting severe and long lasting damage on his domain.
Quote from: marcuscnelson on July 04, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
I don't know who is endorsing simply wearing a mask and going about your day like nothing's happening.
Just reading the room.
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Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 05, 2020, 08:59:39 AM
Just started wearing a mask now?!? Well, I guess we just found ground zero for the spike in cases.
Unbelievable attitude. I mean All experts say we should...hold on a second....confirms its an odd day on the calendar....checks moon cycle...Feels which way the wind is blowing...yup, now, all experts say we should be wearing masks!
I guess you overlooked the part that I don't get out much.
I've been working from home for the last 8 years - so there's no office to go to.
Ground Zero for sure - at my house.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on July 05, 2020, 12:21:04 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 05, 2020, 08:59:39 AM
Just started wearing a mask now?!? Well, I guess we just found ground zero for the spike in cases.
Unbelievable attitude. I mean All experts say we should...hold on a second....confirms its an odd day on the calendar....checks moon cycle...Feels which way the wind is blowing...yup, now, all experts say we should be wearing masks!
I guess you overlooked the part that I don't get out much.
I've been working from home for the last 8 years - so there's no office to go to.
Ground Zero for sure - at my house.
I've worn a mask three times. Twice to a local framing shop (had to get some pictures framed) and once on the bus ride home (said pictures were too big to carry home once they were framed). If they make it a rule, I'll do it. But I don't because it fogs up my glasses.
um ... it is a rule in Jacksonville
Quote from: Charles Hunter on July 05, 2020, 01:00:28 PM
um ... it is a rule in Jacksonville
And after the mandate, I've put it on whenever in a public area. It's been a total of 4 times now.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on July 05, 2020, 01:00:28 PM
um ... it is a rule in Jacksonville
um...but it isn't a rule where I live.
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 05, 2020, 02:37:23 PM
Did you just " fact check " an over the top joke?
FLU
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Here are some charts you may not have seen...
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/covid19-third-wave-developing-countries-florida-texas-by-michael-spence-and-chen-long-2020-06
Backpedaling by Trump officials on RNC convention in Jacksonville starts now:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-republican/too-soon-to-say-if-safe-to-hold-republican-convention-in-florida-us-official-says-idUSKBN2460MI (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-republican/too-soon-to-say-if-safe-to-hold-republican-convention-in-florida-us-official-says-idUSKBN2460MI)
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 05, 2020, 07:14:20 PM
Here are some charts you may not have seen...
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/covid19-third-wave-developing-countries-florida-texas-by-michael-spence-and-chen-long-2020-06
Very interesting BT. Thanks.
Quote from: Adam White on July 04, 2020, 08:46:24 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 04, 2020, 07:23:50 AM
Quote from: Adam White on July 02, 2020, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 01, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
My quick summary of the pandemic.
4. The media is so partisan that the quality of reporting we get is worse than third world countries
I can't comment on how partisan the US media is, but my wife and I finally got sick of watching BBC every morning as it was nothing more than fluff pieces about old guys walking around to raise money for the NHS and stuff like that.
Anyway, we have been watching Al Jazeera and France 24 for a over a month now and actually know more about what is going on around the world (including back home - Florida features regularly). And they don't talk to you like you're an idiot. So win-win.
I don't know about France 24 but I visit Al Jazeera just to see their "slant " or version of current events. Their articles go through the same type of editing or bias as the other "mainstream " sources...
I think as long as people are involved, there will always be some level of 'bias' (for lack of a better word). And as long as people are watching or reading the news, they will find 'bias' where they want to. I wouldn't argue that Al-Jazeera is any more or less biased than BBC Breakfast - but they do offer better news coverage.
Al Jazeera article on pubs reopening...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/drunk-people-socially-distance-england-police-200705141856041.html
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 06, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Adam White on July 04, 2020, 08:46:24 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 04, 2020, 07:23:50 AM
Quote from: Adam White on July 02, 2020, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 01, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
My quick summary of the pandemic.
4. The media is so partisan that the quality of reporting we get is worse than third world countries
I can't comment on how partisan the US media is, but my wife and I finally got sick of watching BBC every morning as it was nothing more than fluff pieces about old guys walking around to raise money for the NHS and stuff like that.
Anyway, we have been watching Al Jazeera and France 24 for a over a month now and actually know more about what is going on around the world (including back home - Florida features regularly). And they don't talk to you like you're an idiot. So win-win.
I don't know about France 24 but I visit Al Jazeera just to see their "slant " or version of current events. Their articles go through the same type of editing or bias as the other "mainstream " sources...
I think as long as people are involved, there will always be some level of 'bias' (for lack of a better word). And as long as people are watching or reading the news, they will find 'bias' where they want to. I wouldn't argue that Al-Jazeera is any more or less biased than BBC Breakfast - but they do offer better news coverage.
Al Jazeera article on pubs reopening...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/drunk-people-socially-distance-england-police-200705141856041.html
I've seen the word "carnage" used on more than on occasion to describe the scenes around the country on Saturday. Apparently Soho was particularly bad.
None of this is as bad as it was on the seaside at Bournemouth a couple of weeks ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53176717
I read that the fire caused by rioters in downtown Jax was actually a police fired smoke canister that landed under a JSO cruiser. Evidently there is video to back it up. Anybody seen this?
Quote from: Adam White on July 06, 2020, 10:16:04 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 06, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Adam White on July 04, 2020, 08:46:24 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 04, 2020, 07:23:50 AM
Quote from: Adam White on July 02, 2020, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on July 01, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
My quick summary of the pandemic.
4. The media is so partisan that the quality of reporting we get is worse than third world countries
I can't comment on how partisan the US media is, but my wife and I finally got sick of watching BBC every morning as it was nothing more than fluff pieces about old guys walking around to raise money for the NHS and stuff like that.
Anyway, we have been watching Al Jazeera and France 24 for a over a month now and actually know more about what is going on around the world (including back home - Florida features regularly). And they don't talk to you like you're an idiot. So win-win.
I don't know about France 24 but I visit Al Jazeera just to see their "slant " or version of current events. Their articles go through the same type of editing or bias as the other "mainstream " sources...
I think as long as people are involved, there will always be some level of 'bias' (for lack of a better word). And as long as people are watching or reading the news, they will find 'bias' where they want to. I wouldn't argue that Al-Jazeera is any more or less biased than BBC Breakfast - but they do offer better news coverage.
Al Jazeera article on pubs reopening...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/drunk-people-socially-distance-england-police-200705141856041.html
I've seen the word "carnage" used on more than on occasion to describe the scenes around the country on Saturday. Apparently Soho was particularly bad.
None of this is as bad as it was on the seaside at Bournemouth a couple of weeks ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53176717
Goodness! That is bad! "I can't watch Bournemouth's matches in person so let's go seaside!"
Quote from: MusicMan on July 06, 2020, 05:07:24 PM
I read that the fire caused by rioters in downtown Jax was actually a police fired smoke canister that landed under a JSO cruiser. Evidently there is video to back it up. Anybody seen this?
No, and I doubt it's true. There's a video of the car on fire and a person continues to throw things into the fire. There were also multiple squad cars damaged.
https://twitter.com/SAVESTRYKER/status/1266874250830516229?s=20
Hmmmmmm.....in the very first frames of that video it looks like a canister burning underneath the left rear wheel/quarter panel area.....
Quote from: JaxAvondale on July 06, 2020, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: Adam White on July 06, 2020, 10:16:04 AM
I've seen the word "carnage" used on more than on occasion to describe the scenes around the country on Saturday. Apparently Soho was particularly bad.
None of this is as bad as it was on the seaside at Bournemouth a couple of weeks ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53176717
Goodness! That is bad! "I can't watch Bournemouth's matches in person so let's go seaside!"
TBF, I doubt most of those people were from Bournemouth (in fact, given the town's demographics, I'd expect a lot of the residents to be shielding in place). Or even Dorset, for that matter. Apparently three men (all in their 20s and from London) were stabbed on the beach, too.
Ok. So we have the Florida Commissioner of Education and Betsy Devos, the Secretary of Education, both "demanding" and "mandating" that schools be open "fully" (not part time, not modified) in the fall semester. Anyone else see the contradiction and inconsistency here? This demand and mandate comes from a State and Federal government that refused to issue statewide/nationwide orders reasoning that it was best left up to local communities. Unbelievable.
So with the virus re spiking has anyone been tested? Anyone positive... I still don't know anyone directly who has been diagnosed... given the lines for testing I have not been motivated to get tested...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 12, 2020, 02:51:39 PM
So with the virus re spiking has anyone been tested? Anyone positive... I still don't know anyone directly who has been diagnosed... given the lines for testing I have not been motivated to get tested...
I tested negative for the virus and antibody when I got tested last month which was a bit surprising given that I was in Miami, London, and Madrid for multiple days in February.
I do know many ppl who have tested positive with one person that my parents know who passed away in her 40s.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 12, 2020, 02:51:39 PM
So with the virus re spiking has anyone been tested? Anyone positive... I still don't know anyone directly who has been diagnosed... given the lines for testing I have not been motivated to get tested...
I have not been tested or had any symptoms but I was in Miami last month and have worked in my Central Florida office a few times since March. I'm actually planning to visit my parents and a few family members in Tampa later this week. With that in mind, I know several people who have had covid nationwide. One of my Next City Vanguard friends in NYC actually gave daily text updates on her condition, sharing words of advice on what to take and do if others on the chain came down with it. Also one of my classmate's aunts passed from it in Broward after attending an in person church service.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 12, 2020, 02:51:39 PM
So with the virus re spiking has anyone been tested? Anyone positive... I still don't know anyone directly who has been diagnosed... given the lines for testing I have not been motivated to get tested...
I tested negative on the 26th after getting tested on the 20th. Took about two and a half hours in line in St. Augustine to get the test. Seems I just had a bad cold. No one in my family has gotten it, but some of my parents' friends (work in the medical field) caught it from their patients. I'm pretty worried about my sister, who's working in an assisted living facility right now.
"I tested negative for the virus and antibody when I got tested last month which was a bit surprising given that I was in Miami, London, and Madrid for multiple days in February."
Did you wear a mask during that time period? I am under the impression Europe was taking this far more seriously, especially in February, than the US. Trump was pretty much ignoring it at that time.
Haven't been tested, as thankfully I've had a healthy 2020 thus far and have been really good about wearing a mask and social distancing. I did do an antibody test, which also came back negative.
I do personally know 10+ people here in Jax who have tested positive however. Most in their late 20s/early 30s, being reckless at the beach bars and house parties.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on July 12, 2020, 07:06:22 PM
Haven't been tested, as thankfully I've had a healthy 2020 thus far and have been really good about wearing a mask and social distancing. I did do an antibody test, which also came back negative.
I do personally know 10+ people here in Jax who have tested positive however. Most in their late 20s/early 30s, being reckless at the beach bars and house parties.
I haven't had any symptoms, I only know of one person, via Facebook, that has tested positive (he's in Charleston, SC and had common cold-like symptoms) so I haven't had the test myself.
Ken_FSU, I'm curious about the people you know personally: What kind of symptoms, if any, have they had?
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on July 12, 2020, 08:28:51 PM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on July 12, 2020, 07:06:22 PM
Haven't been tested, as thankfully I've had a healthy 2020 thus far and have been really good about wearing a mask and social distancing. I did do an antibody test, which also came back negative.
I do personally know 10+ people here in Jax who have tested positive however. Most in their late 20s/early 30s, being reckless at the beach bars and house parties.
I haven't had any symptoms, I only know of one person, via Facebook, that has tested positive (he's in Charleston, SC and had common cold-like symptoms) so I haven't had the test myself.
Ken_FSU, I'm curious about the people you know personally: What kind of symptoms, if any, have they had?
Thankfully, as far as I know, they've all been either asymptomatic positives (tested after being at the beach bars or after have been in contact with a known positive) or mild (fatigue and sweats lasting 3-5 days). But again, almost all young, active, and healthy prior, which isn't really the demo the disease is ravaging the strongest.
Quote from: MusicMan on July 12, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
"I tested negative for the virus and antibody when I got tested last month which was a bit surprising given that I was in Miami, London, and Madrid for multiple days in February."
Did you wear a mask during that time period? I am under the impression Europe was taking this far more seriously, especially in February, than the US. Trump was pretty much ignoring it at that time.
Yes sir! I had a mask on while in the airport and on my various flights. My first trip was on January 29th from Miami to Madrid and I assumed that I would have been one of the few ppl with a mask on but most young people on the plane had a face covering.
When I flew from Miami early last month, everyone had masks. When we arrived to JAX, very few had masks and they were running up and hugging people right after we got past security. No wonder the virus is out of control in this area.
Quote from: thelakelander on July 12, 2020, 10:54:14 PM
When I flew from Miami early last month, everyone had masks. When we arrived to JAX, very few had masks and they were running up and hugging people right after we got past security. No wonder the virus is out of control in this area.
I think it's impossible to take the virus under control without a vaccine whether you make everyone wear masks or not.
And I thought you were educated. Ever hear of fomite? It's the virus particles that land on surfaces. That's a possible route of transmission. If you concluded masks don't work/help, that's a preconceived unfounded conclusion. Lake didn't say there was a definite link at that airport and covid. I think his point was social distancing and masks are not routinely used in Florida.
Quote from: Kerry on March 13, 2020, 02:04:09 PM
The public, at the urging of the media and politicans, have gone bat-crap crazy. There are less that 1400 active cases in the entire US. I'm not changing anything about my life that I have control over. Was supposed to go to a concert tonight but that got canceled and then was headed to the St Pete Grand Prix tomorrow, but that is also cancelled. So guess we'll just go garage sales tomorrow. Flying to Chicago on Monday for work.
You ok? Been offline for a month.
A quote I like, "I wear a mask because I care about you, you wear a mask if you care about me. When I see someone without a mask, I assume they do not care about other people."
Had a son-in-law test positive and go into self-quarantine. His family got tested, and all negative. On the other side of the family, tested negative after another in-law was exposed. It took more than a week for 3 of those tests to come back. The spouse of the infected person finally gave up and went to a place that can give test results in less than 24 hours.
This is a major failure of the US response to this pandemic. Testing sites in all of the hot spots are reporting shortages of testing supplies. Tests are routinely taking more than a week to come back. I heard that the Jacksonville testing sites were considering having a special line for people with symptoms, so they can ask the lab to expedite their results (so it only takes 4 or 5 days?). We could have invoked the Defense Production Act to make sure we had sufficient supplies (I've heard PPE are getting in short supply, too). But, the Republican Administration declared the disease will go away on its own, so there is no need to do anything special. Sadly, the Coronavirus doesn't listen to Presidential [sic] tweets.
Sad story available through your favorite search engine:
Richard "Rick" Rose....... made fun of Covid 19. Now he's dead.
https://www.insider.com/ohio-man-veteran-died-coronavirus-mask-facebook-posts-2020-7
Quote from: MusicMan on July 13, 2020, 12:22:03 PM
Sad story available through your favorite search engine:
Richard "Rick" Rose....... made fun of Covid 19. Now he's dead.
https://www.insider.com/ohio-man-veteran-died-coronavirus-mask-facebook-posts-2020-7
The only sad part of the story is the part where he infected unknown numbers of innocent people...
Sunday afternoon, Beach Blvd. Whataburger lobby - nobody but the employees wearing masks.
Quote from: sandyshoes on July 14, 2020, 04:03:56 PM
Sunday afternoon, Beach Blvd. Whataburger lobby - nobody but the employees wearing masks.
Governments fault...
I got tested at the new testing place off Wilson Blvd. Made appointment online, it was a drive thru self-administered test. The entire process took less than 10 minutes. Got tested on Wednesday, had the results Sunday morning.
Quote from: opfoodie on July 15, 2020, 12:27:08 PM
I got tested at the new testing place off Wilson Blvd. Made appointment online, it was a drive thru self-administered test. The entire process took less than 10 minutes. Got tested on Wednesday, had the results Sunday morning.
So...is it a boy or a girl?
Quote from: BridgeTroll on June 30, 2020, 07:02:47 AM
Quote from: Ken_FSU on June 29, 2020, 09:51:23 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on June 29, 2020, 06:39:38 PM
Clearly young people are not concerned about how their actions affect the rest of society...
*Some young people.
I've also seen a metric ton of people around Jacksonville of all ages - from children to the elderly - in Publix, restaurants, and other crowded places without masks as well. Is there an age divide in terms of masks? Probably. But there's also a political divide that's just as flagrant. And perhaps an educational divide as well. Throw in a governor and mayor who have been resistant to take a strong stand on masks, and it all gets even muddier.
Glad we've got a clear policy in place now.
Was in Target at 7 PM and even on night one, it was encouraging to see 95% cooperation. The 5% were about what you'd expect them to be.
Hmmm.... that isn't what the latest testing shows... but hey...
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/507905-young-people-are-increasingly-driving-covid-19s-spread
Last Weds., early at a Target and then right after at a Publix, I encountered absolutely NO social distancing. I did see a few more people in masks. Hint: Be aware that if you are wearing a mask and jabbering away as you approach someone, that person may not be able to tell if you are speaking directly to them or if you are on an earpiece talking to your BFF. There is no need to be ugly to someone like the "Target Vulture" woman was with me. I think she may just be a bitch anyway. This concludes my lecture.
And yet many people seem determined to blame various state and federal entities for the resurgence when very clearly it's people's individual choices...
Quote from: Ken_FSU on April 07, 2020, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 07, 2020, 05:12:16 PM
New experience for my wife and I... she had never purchased and used hair color in a box. She recruited me to apply the concoction. I am happy to report that the exercise was a success. Perhaps I will try nails next...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And... this is now a regular thing at the BT household...
Quote from: Lunican on July 02, 2020, 03:55:38 PM
I think it will be cancelled. Who would even want to go to that?
See? Not even Trump wants to go.
Quote from: Lunican on July 23, 2020, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: Lunican on July 02, 2020, 03:55:38 PM
I think it will be cancelled. Who would even want to go to that?
See? Not even Trump wants to go.
A true sage of our time.
QuoteJohns Hopkins University data records the US' first Covid-19 case on January 21. The US went from:
1 to 1 million cases in 99 days
1 million to 2 million cases in 43 days
2 million to 3 million cases in 28 days
3 million to 4 million cases in 15 days
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1286494655161536513
Quote from: Lunican on July 24, 2020, 10:29:42 PM
QuoteJohns Hopkins University data records the US' first Covid-19 case on January 21. The US went from:
1 to 1 million cases in 99 days
1 million to 2 million cases in 43 days
2 million to 3 million cases in 28 days
3 million to 4 million cases in 15 days
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1286494655161536513
To me, the more interesting way to aggregate the above numbers would be:
1 million to 2 million in 43 days
2 million to 4 million in 43 days
Would seem to point to an R0 of appromixately 1.0.
Would also seem to point to another doubling of cases in 43 days to 8 million in the absence of aggressive measures to curb the disease.
Also, that school board meeting yesterday to vote on a reopen was one of the most surreal, scary, captivating things I've seen in a long, long time.
Both sides made some really great points in terms of safety, socioeconomic impacts, child safety and development, teacher safety, etc.
No easy answers to this school thing.
I wonder when everybody will start debating if hosting FL/GA this year is the right move for the city.
I assume we are all tired of Covid... everyone Ok? So far no sickness at my house nor any close relatives or friends... school just started... brick and mortar? Virtual? Homeschooling?
Still concerned about COVID-19, social distancing and masking when around people outside of my inner circle, prepared to quarantine if I come into contact with any positives or show any symptoms, but otherwise living my life somewhat normally.
Back in the office full time.
Six year old daughter back to in-person school full time.
Eating in restaurants and supporting local businesses.
Traveling.
Started grad school last week.
Still living. I know a few people who have died from COVID-19, and several who have had it, including several family members and childhood friends back home in Central Florida. It really does wreck havoc on those who don't have a choice to telecommute vs working in situations that place them at higher risk to exposure. Nevertheless, like I've done the entire pandemic, I'm still living, not necessarily house ridden and I try to support as many local businesses and eateries as possible during the hard times.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 25, 2020, 01:40:04 PM
I assume we are all tired of Covid... everyone Ok? So far no sickness at my house nor any close relatives or friends... school just started... brick and mortar? Virtual? Homeschooling?
We're all okay, thanks. My wife had a bit of a cold this week and was sent a COVID test (and it ended up being negative, of course). We're both working from home and the younger son has gone back to nursery. My older son goes back to school in about two weeks.
My wife and I took a day of leave yesterday and went to a museum. But other than that, it's been basically staying at home (except for groceries and trips to the park).
Glad to hear you're doing okay.
The decision whether to send kids to school has got to be a tough one... I have a sister in law grade school
teacher who has two years remaining until retirement... she's normally thrilled for the new year to start... not this year...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 25, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
The decision whether to send kids to school has got to be a tough one... I have a sister in law grade school
teacher who has two years remaining until retirement... she's normally thrilled for the new year to start... not this year...
Yeah, it's all a bit concerning. Our numbers are very slowly creeping up (they're still very low though) and I can't see how there will be any reasonable 'social distancing' taking place in the school. But there's not really anything I can do about it. Back in March, I assumed it would all be over by September!
Quote from: thelakelander on August 25, 2020, 02:25:18 PM
I know a few people who have died from COVID-19, and several who have had it, including several family members and childhood friends back home in Central Florida.
Sorry to hear this, Ennis :/
One went back to daycare in June and now goes to Upson 5 days a week.
Another child is at LaVilla 4 days w/ 1 day of home-school
Yet another is at Lee for dual-enrollment and has 2 days at school and 3 days home
The oldest is at FSCJ and 100% online.
Ms tested negative about 4 weeks ago before returning to work at JU
No one else has been tested or shown any signs.
We've basically followed protocol, even though I admittedly have been pretty lax about it. But as long as the masks are mandated, I'll continue to wear it.
I still don't know anyone personally who has been affected severely. One FB friend from out of town was positive, but aside from mild cold symptoms, nothing else to report.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 25, 2020, 09:00:17 PM
One went back to daycare in June and now goes to Upson 5 days a week.
Another child is at LaVilla 4 days w/ 1 day of home-school
Yet another is at Lee for dual-enrollment and has 2 days at school and 3 days home
The oldest is at FSCJ and 100% online.
Ms tested negative about 4 weeks ago before returning to work at JU
No one else has been tested or shown any signs.
We've basically followed protocol, even though I admittedly have been pretty lax about it. But as long as the masks are mandated, I'll continue to wear it.
I still don't know anyone personally who has been affected severely. One FB friend from out of town was positive, but aside from mild cold symptoms, nothing else to report.
If I'm reading this right...you have FOUR kids?
Jesus Christ, my hat goes off to you.
I know a number of people who've gotten it, including my cousin, a firefighter. Fortunately his case was mild and they caught it soon enough that it didn't spread to anyone else in the family. From what he says it's hit first responders pretty hard. I know several others who've gotten it bad, and not just older folks.
My wife and I are both working from home. We don't eat out much, but we try to pick up or get delivery several times a week to keep supporting the restaurants. The beach and parks have been lifesavers.
We've had family, both locally and out-of-state have COVID, ranging from mild symptoms for one in our children's' generation, to a hospital stay for my wife's sibling. We had no direct contact with any of them, so did not get tested. Did get tested after a married couple we were with at a church meeting got it. We were negative, with the quick-result test. They are slowly getting back into circulation.
We've been trying to avoid crowds. My wife owns a small business, so has been going into work - everyone wears masks and they try to socially distance. I'm retired, so staying home is what I do. We have groceries and some prepared meals delivered, but have gone out to eat a few times. We scan for good practices as we go in. We have found a couple places that are doing it right, and have been back to them.
Quote from: Adam White on August 26, 2020, 04:21:46 AM
If I'm reading this right...you have FOUR kids?
Jesus Christ, my hat goes off to you.
Lol. Yes. The bookends are mine and she came with 2 of her own.
The real treat is the spread - 5 through 20.
BTW, it was cheaper to send my son fulltime to UNF than it was to send my daughter to daycare, so just keep that in mind you 'parents to be'.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 26, 2020, 11:28:31 AMBTW, it was cheaper to send my son fulltime to UNF than it was to send my daughter to daycare, so just keep that in mind you 'parents to be'.
PREACH.
I got a $10k raise when my daughter moved from daycare to kindergarten.
Quote from: Ken_FSU on August 26, 2020, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 26, 2020, 11:28:31 AMBTW, it was cheaper to send my son fulltime to UNF than it was to send my daughter to daycare, so just keep that in mind you 'parents to be'.
PREACH.
I got a $10k raise when my daughter moved from daycare to kindergarten.
We got the same raise this year!
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 26, 2020, 11:28:31 AM
BTW, it was cheaper to send my son fulltime to UNF than it was to send my daughter to daycare, so just keep that in mind you 'parents to be'.
That's insane.
Had 2 relatives elsewhere with COVID 19; thankfully both pulled through. We're also trying to support local take-out, but now getting scared to keep doing that as not everyone masks up NOR does everyone obey the bars not serving alcohol mandate - there are just too many mandates and changes to keep up with. Sorry to hear of your personal losses, Lake.
Due to the virus Burning man will be virtual this year... https://kindling.burningman.org/multiverse/
So this is the future? Start tripping out, put on your VR headset and there you go, Burning Man. ;D
Monday: started getting headaches around lunchtime - by 3, it had morphed into full-blown body aches, chills and a fever just over 100. 7pm I was in bed, fever maintained between 100-101 and entire body was achey and sore. Zero appetite all day.
Tuesday: woke up throughout the night with diarrhea and crawled out of bed around 8 am. Still sore all over and a constant headache. Sweating profusely. Took a shower and went to left for Covid test. Tried do fight through and do some computer work, couldn't focus, horrible headache and still no appetite, laid down around 1pm and woke up when J got home from work -5:30ish. Drenched in sweat, temp had come back to normal and had hunger pains, still diarrhea, and add some nausea to the mix. Managed to eat a little dinner around 9pm.
Wednesday: Covid test came back negative, yet persistent diarrhea, bouts of nausea, but otherwise fine. Took some Tylenol around 11am, ate a regular lunch and was feeling absolutely fine by 3pm. Even mowed the lawn later that afternoon.
Point for this random info - Had I not needed a negative test to allow me perform some of the duties of my normal job, there would have been zero concern on my end as to what this was - a run of the mill bug - and since I'm the type that only goes to a Dr. or hospital to basically get appendages sewn back on, I'm genuinely concerned for us when flu season actually starts.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 05, 2020, 09:22:53 AM
Monday: started getting headaches around lunchtime - by 3, it had morphed into full-blown body aches, chills and a fever just over 100. 7pm I was in bed, fever maintained between 100-101 and entire body was achey and sore. Zero appetite all day.
Tuesday: woke up throughout the night with diarrhea and crawled out of bed around 8 am. Still sore all over and a constant headache. Sweating profusely. Took a shower and went to left for Covid test. Tried do fight through and do some computer work, couldn't focus, horrible headache and still no appetite, laid down around 1pm and woke up when J got home from work -5:30ish. Drenched in sweat, temp had come back to normal and had hunger pains, still diarrhea, and add some nausea to the mix. Managed to eat a little dinner around 9pm.
Wednesday: Covid test came back negative, yet persistent diarrhea, bouts of nausea, but otherwise fine. Took some Tylenol around 11am, ate a regular lunch and was feeling absolutely fine by 3pm. Even mowed the lawn later that afternoon.
Point for this random info - Had I not needed a negative test to allow me perform some of the duties of my normal job, there would have been zero concern on my end as to what this was - a run of the mill bug - and since I'm the type that only goes to a Dr. or hospital to basically get appendages sewn back on, I'm genuinely concerned for us when flu season actually starts.
Wow... I guess everyone was a bit nervous and scared for a day or two... glad to hear your Ok...
Anybody have appointments for the vaccine yet?
Quote from: Tacachale on December 18, 2020, 06:10:55 PM
Anybody have appointments for the vaccine yet?
Not yet, but I'll be there day one that I'm able to be.
My parents are getting older, my Dad's in poor health, I've got older and immune-compromised neighbors and co-workers.
Not super worried about myself as a relatively young guy in good health, but I cannot wait until the day that I don't have to be constantly worried about being an asympomatic spreader who could potentially hospitilize someone else (or worse).
Hoping we're back to relative normal by summer (with the qualifier that I also predicted the District and Shipyards would be open for business by end of 2020).
Summer is what I'm expecting too, assuming that most people do take both doses of the vaccine. If people somehow refuse to social distance and wear masks and vaccinate then we could end up stuck for a while.
Not to mention the economic ramifications of continuing to prevent a return to normalcy at this point.
I am at the low end of the "elderly" cohort that is supposed to be in one of the earlier groups to get the vaccine. We will be sure to get whichever vaccine is available at the time. Guessing February - March?
My dad called yesterday, and he has it, and his brother in law, and the brother in law's 13 year old granddaughter. They've all been wearing masks, but also going out to eat, working, etc. Y'all be careful over there.
The pastor of our small church is in the ICU with it; they are trying to wean him from the ventilator. His wife has it, but is at home. My daughter's mother-in-law has the symptoms but hasn't been tested yet.
^Sorry to hear it guys.
Thoughts and prayers to you and your loved ones.
Please keep us posted.
An old friend passed away on Monday. She had been battling cancer for years and got COVID during a hospital visit. She was 40 and had 4 kids.
Quote from: Tacachale on December 23, 2020, 01:15:39 PM
An old friend passed away on Monday. She had been battling cancer for years and got COVID during a hospital visit. She was 40 and had 4 kids.
That's terrible. I hope you're okay - and I hope her family are coping okay. I cannot imagine how they must be feeling right now.
Quote from: Tacachale on December 23, 2020, 01:15:39 PM
An old friend passed away on Monday. She had been battling cancer for years and got COVID during a hospital visit. She was 40 and had 4 kids.
This really sucks.
Really sorry to hear it Bill.
Those poor kids too :(
Thanks y'all, it's much appreciated.
So here we are at the end of 2020. The US is approaching 20 million cases and 340,000 deaths (currently increasing by 3,700 per day).
It's pretty clear most people haven't got the slightest clue on how to avoid catching and spreading this.
Quote from: Lunican on December 30, 2020, 02:40:17 PM
So here we are at the end of 2020. The US is approaching 20 million cases and 340,000 deaths (currently increasing by 3,700 per day).
It's pretty clear most people haven't got the slightest clue on how to avoid catching and spreading this.
People do know, but there hasn't been a coherent and aggressive response from various levels of government to slow and stop the spread of the virus. Plenty of other countries did it. Placing the blame on individuals for systemic issues is absurd.
^Plenty of blame to go around for both the system and the individual.
Had a friend start a new job recently.
The CEO falls flatly into the "COVID is just a politicized flu" bucket and insisted on having an in-person, indoor Christmas party with seated dining.
My friend felt like she was too new to the company to decline and went against her better judgement.
Went to the party, was exposed to a positive case, and before she realized she was carrying it, she went to a Sunday dinner at her family's house and infected two grandparents, both of her parents, and two kids.
Grandpa is dead, Grandma is on a ventilator.
Just a colossal failure of common sense by all parties involved that killed at least one bystander for absolutely no good reason other than one individual trying make some stupid political statement.
Can't imagine having to live with something like that :/
Widespread vaccinations can't come soon enough.
That is crazy and unfortunate. My dad's 75th birthday is today. Typically, I'd go down and have a birthday steak dinner with my parents at Texas Cattle Company in Lakeland. This is the first time in my life that I skipped celebrating Thanksgiving, Christmas and both of their birthday's with them because of the fear of such an outcome. Both are getting up in age and have pre-existing conditions. They plan to get vaccines as soon as they are available down there.
At the current pace (1 million per week), the US is on target for vaccinations to be complete in 10 years.
Quote from: wanderson91 on December 30, 2020, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: Lunican on December 30, 2020, 02:40:17 PM
So here we are at the end of 2020. The US is approaching 20 million cases and 340,000 deaths (currently increasing by 3,700 per day).
It's pretty clear most people haven't got the slightest clue on how to avoid catching and spreading this.
People do know, but there hasn't been a coherent and aggressive response from various levels of government to slow and stop the spread of the virus. Plenty of other countries did it. Placing the blame on individuals for systemic issues is absurd.
The government could have shut down the airline's... they could force all restaurants closed... they could have forced many more draconian measures. I am glad they did not. Personal responsibility is the key...
Personal Responsibility would be great, if those who don't practice it were the only ones affected by their irresponsibility. Sadly, they affect everyone they come near.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 30, 2020, 05:23:23 PM
Quote from: wanderson91 on December 30, 2020, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: Lunican on December 30, 2020, 02:40:17 PM
So here we are at the end of 2020. The US is approaching 20 million cases and 340,000 deaths (currently increasing by 3,700 per day).
It's pretty clear most people haven't got the slightest clue on how to avoid catching and spreading this.
People do know, but there hasn't been a coherent and aggressive response from various levels of government to slow and stop the spread of the virus. Plenty of other countries did it. Placing the blame on individuals for systemic issues is absurd.
The government could have shut down the airline's... they could force all restaurants closed... they could have forced many more draconian measures. I am glad they did not. Personal responsibility is the key...
Well, maybe if we listened to experienced epidemiologists (whose early predictions have been spot-on regarding multiple and ever increasing waves of infection if this pandemic was not managed with best practices) and did those draconian actions for a few weeks, we wouldn't be facing a likely 2+ year (given we are now screwing up the vaccine rollout) severe drag on the economy that will surely cost far more, collectively, to businesses and individuals. Plus, maybe we would have saved a few hundred thousand lives and untold numbers more that have spent days and weeks in ICU, possibly scarred for life, emotionally, medically and financially. And, what does it cost the economy to have millions quarantining repeatedly for days and weeks (based on COVID relief programs alone, its in the trillions). As the saying goes, "a slow sickness is a sure death" and unfortunately we are seeing that here.
By the way, I have experienced, just in the last few weeks, personally and near-personally known individuals dying in Jacksonville from COVID and am struck by how many people I now know in our community that have been afflicted by COVID-19 in just in the last 60 to 90 days. We are definitely living in a house afire.
I especially feel for the suffering and dying "innocent bystanders" who were infected by those more careless and carefree not exercising their "personal responsibility." The guise of "personal responsibility" stops at the line of "community responsibility" at some point and we are well beyond it with this pandemic.
A civil society recognizes there must be limits to "personal responsibility" and, as we are now witnessing, that many fail to prudently exercise "personal responsibility" (e.g. criminal behavior and more) requiring, for the good of the greater community, laws and regulations. We can quibble about to what degree we should promulgate the same but most can agree that such structure is, in principle, necessary to protect, sustain and advance a community. And, to add another quote, a "rising tide lifts all boats."
I believe our narcissistic, bombastic, name calling, truth-distorting (I am being kind here), science-bashing, fact-denying, egotistical, self-absorbed, conspiracy promoting, reckless and very selfish president has imparted much of his decrepit behavior to large numbers of our populace (including our governor and many in his own party) who now wish to emulate him in matters such as this and this is the foundation of our nation's disastrous mishandling of COVID-19.
History will not be kind to the actions of our "leaders" in 2020.
I agree jaxlongtimer.
A person can choose to decide whether or not he wants to risk his health. But what of those they end up spreading the virus to? And what about the toll on the local health care system? If you want to get sick, fine - but don't go to hospital when you can't breathe and take a bed or a doctor's time away from someone who didn't choose to gamble.
I also agree jaxlongtimer but you offer no solutions. Shut down restaurants and bars? Close the borders? Shut down the airlines? Ration access to super markets? Arrest those not wearing masks?
What I just listed above are concrete and effective measures to save lives. NO ONE WANTS TO GO THERE. I want everyone to adhere to safe protocols but unless you are willing to FORCE people to follow the rules... this is what you get.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 31, 2020, 09:25:18 AM
I also agree jaxlongtimer but you offer no solutions. Shut down restaurants and bars? Close the borders? Shut down the airlines? Ration access to super markets? Arrest those not wearing masks?
What I just listed above are concrete and effective measures to save lives. NO ONE WANTS TO GO THERE. I want everyone to adhere to safe protocols but unless you are willing to FORCE people to follow the rules... this is what you get.
Earlier in the year, didn't people have to queue to get into grocery stores? I seem to remember a friend of mine posting pics of waiting outside Trader Joe's or something.
FWIW - all shops non-essential shops are closed in my town (unless the can provide a 'click and collect' service). Similarly, all restuarants and bars are closed unless they can do takeaway. Basically, grocery stores and drug stores are pretty much the only thing open. And gas stations/mechanics and a few other types of businesses. I don't know what the deal is with airlines, but lots of people had been travelling, so I assume they are still operating.
We had more relaxed restrictions, but then we ended up in a second wave which is worse than the first. Obviously, the restrictions we had weren't very effective. The problem now seems to be that people aren't taking the new restrictions as seriously as they did back in March or April during the original lockdown. I guess we'll have to see what happens.
Adam, is the government there providing any assistance to the businesses, or their employees, required to close?
Quote from: Charles Hunter on December 31, 2020, 10:55:26 AM
Adam, is the government there providing any assistance to the businesses, or their employees, required to close?
Yes. We have a furlough programme - but I don't know what it currently is. I was furloughed for about 3 months during the initial lockdown and at that time, you got 80% of your monthly pay (up to £2500 pre-tax). They've made changes along the way, so I have no idea what the current furlough scheme entails. They also have a programme where businesses can get a loan with no interest due for 12 months.
Not everyone qualifies for the furlough scheme - I believe there are or were serious issues for self-employed people.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 31, 2020, 09:25:18 AM
I also agree jaxlongtimer but you offer no solutions. Shut down restaurants and bars? Close the borders? Shut down the airlines? Ration access to super markets? Arrest those not wearing masks?
What I just listed above are concrete and effective measures to save lives. NO ONE WANTS TO GO THERE. I want everyone to adhere to safe protocols but unless you are willing to FORCE people to follow the rules... this is what you get.
BridgeTroll, I do imply solutions in my post.
First, we should be listening (not undermining) more to the recommendations of experienced epidemiologists who know very well how a pandemic blows up and the steps to slow it down. I say "slow it down" because I recall experts early on saying a majority of people would be infected over the longer haul, no matter what steps were taken, and that our main goal would be to "flatten the curve." At this point, we are not even doing that. The basic steps were, and still are, avoiding/cancelling group settings/super-spreader events, wearing masks, social distancing and minimizing interactions with others at work, shopping or in all other aspects of our lives.
The second missed opportunity was the failure of the federal government to effectively coordinate response standards nationwide and to properly support states and local communities with best practice expertise and coordinated and efficiently dispersed resources to manage the pandemic. This continues to be a problem now with the vaccine rollout.
The third step was to be more forthright, transparent and honest, both at the outset and ongoing, about what it would take to best manage the pandemic instead of blowing it off and saying it was nothing or we would be quickly over it. And, lacking coordinated and consistent communications is the first "no-no" on how to manage a crisis. Many of our public officials compounded this by setting bad examples with their words and deeds, including not wearing masks in public and hosting super-spreader events. This has led to wasted effort addressing conspiracy theories and undue skepticism, resistance to the above steps and outright militancy by many who believe they have an official blessing to resist all steps to control the pandemic leading to even more pandemic inflammation than might have otherwise occurred.
Fourth, while enforcement is always an issue and is never perfect (or we would never have any crime, etc.!), more stringent and timely decisions to shut down certain activities in our communities should have been more widespread. Just in Florida, we have a governor who not only will not make such decisions on an "as needed" basis, but won't let local officials make them either. This undermines the ability to have measured responses and adds another layer of mixed messaging and confusion to the public.
I am sure experts could add further "solutions" to the above.
JLT... I assume when you say "we" you mean 100% of the population. My swag would be probably 70% are complying with CDC guidelines. The other 30%?? This is where personal responsibility comes in. Stay quarantined. If your fellow citizens are not 100% in compliance then it is up to you to remain safe.
Yes... the federal response was inadequate. You have to agree that since this is an entirely new disaster that the hospitals, government and even private sector was completely unprepared for.
The governor of Florida stopped all vehicles at the border.... he closed restaurants and bars, he closed schools... over time these restrictions were correctly adjusted. Pretty sure DeSantis never governed during a pandemic before.
If you want to stay 100% safe. Stay quarantined in your home. Do not leave. Anything other than that and you are taking calculated risks. You weigh the risk vs benefit and do what you need to. This is what I mean by personal responsibility.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 31, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
JLT... I assume when you say "we" you mean 100% of the population. My swag would be probably 70% are complying with CDC guidelines. The other 30%?? This is where personal responsibility comes in. Stay quarantined. If your fellow citizens are not 100% in compliance then it is up to you to remain safe.
Yes... the federal response was inadequate. You have to agree that since this is an entirely new disaster that the hospitals, government and even private sector was completely unprepared for.
The governor of Florida stopped all vehicles at the border.... he closed restaurants and bars, he closed schools... over time these restrictions were correctly adjusted. Pretty sure DeSantis never governed during a pandemic before.
If you want to stay 100% safe. Stay quarantined in your home. Do not leave. Anything other than that and you are taking calculated risks. You weigh the risk vs benefit and do what you need to. This is what I mean by personal responsibility.
To be sure, neither federal officials nor the governor have followed most of the advice of epidemiologists, other doctors or scientists in managing the pandemic so, in my book, they don't get a free pass. Many have predicted this scenario for years but were ignored so lack of preparation is no excuse.
I also don't agree that this was so novel that they couldn't anticipate, based on SARS and other pandemics around the world, the best practices to implement. Regardless, when it became obvious to even lay people how serious this was, officials failed to properly take it as seriously as they should have. To add, I view the dissing or ignoring of persons offering expert inputs as a prescription for putting us in the mess we are in now and blame elected officials accordingly.
By the way, the stopping of vehicles at the border was well after COVID-19 had manifested itself in the state, was not practicably effective and overlooked other avenues to get into the state. In essence, I view it as more of a political stunt than a real call to action. And, DeSantis waited way too long to start closing places and the reopened them way to quickly, again, neutering the effectiveness of those actions. Remember, he also refused to close beaches during spring break. He has continued to lack transparency or to honestly discuss the impact of the pandemic and won't even take questions anymore about it. Further, he won't let local health departments communicate about their communities and has muzzled other health department officials and suppressed much of the state's data. He also has not utilized epidemiologists on the faculty at U of F as in-state advisors. His management of the pandemic is mostly a mirror image of Trumps. That is not leadership, just the opposite.
It is not feasible to totally quarantine as you suggest. People still need to go to doctors, obtain food, medicine and clothing, have people visit their homes for maintenance, etc. Elderly and disabled persons also require caretakers. Plus, many have no choice but to go to work if their employer allows/demands it or they are essential workers. And, our governor has mandated that schools remain open. Thus, those who are not "personally responsible" are endangering essential workers, first responders, teachers, health professionals, etc. Many times they are violating the trust of family members and/or friends who believe they are being responsible when they are not. Plus, they are pushing ICU's in hospitals to the limits or more preventing healthcare for other issues or the overflow of COVID-19 patients.
It takes a village to run our community and total isolation on a long term basis is virtually impossible to maintain. Reducing the odds of exposure is thus critical to all of us and this requires everyone to be doing the "right thing."
I appreciate the civil discourse and I will say that we agree to disagree. I do not "give a pass" to DeSantis and other government officials but I do think that DeSantis did a pretty good job keeping people safe, businesses open and people employed. The hospitals and first responders were horribly unprepared for a pandemic event. I suspect they will not be in the future.
Differences of opinion are inevitable regarding how to remain safe... remain employed... and just as importantly... remain free
Happy New Year!
Just tried to make appointments for my wife and I for the vaccine next week. Several rounds of retrying due to 404 errors. After getting past that, started getting 1020 Errors. This went on for several minutes before my appointment was finally accepted. Then went in to make appointment for the Mrs. For perspective, the first thing you do is pick a one of the 5 days of next week. Then you enter your name, email, phone number, date-of-birth, select which group you are (health care or old), whether this is your first or second shot. Then you pick your time, with unavailable times crossed out on the drop-down. In between the time I selected a time for my wife, the appointment became "unavailable" - this happened twice on the same day I was going. Repeat all that preparatory stuff for another day - all times crossed out. A third day - same. And the same for the last 2 days. If all the times are gone, why does it allow you to select a day? So, I've got "COVID" on my calendar for next Thursday afternoon, to try again to make her appointment.
Over 100,000 covid deaths in the U.S. so far in 2021.
Shocking. The bars and restaurants are packed in Jacksonville
Sold out full capacity Machine Gun Kelly show at Daily's Place last night.
https://youtu.be/yoYciyilyPc?t=5950
Sold out UFC show at VyStar Arena tonight.
Pretty historic weekend for Jax in terms of returning to some semblance of pre-pandemic normalcy.
Two months ago, I would have hated the idea of full capacity shows.
At this point, we've got a vaccine that's proven to be insanely effective at preventing hospitalizations, deaths, and even mild infections. And, at least in Jax, it feels like 99.9% of those who want a vaccine have had the opportunity to get it.
I think we've reached a point locally where I've got no real issue with leaving things up to personal responsibility. You get sick because you don't believe in science, that's on you. Personally don't see a need to wait around for another few months for the "wait and see" vaccine crowd to make up their minds.
Of course, if we start seeing an upsurge in breakthrough cases in the vaccinated, an upsurge in cases in the <16 crowd transmitted by vaccinated carriers, or capacity issues at local hospitals, we would obviously need to reevaluate.
Congrats all for making it through the 'demic locally. A year ago, it felt like things would never be return to where they are today.
Florida hit 50,000 covid deaths today.
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
Your parents aren't going to die.
More than 120,000 US kids had caregivers die during pandemic
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-pandemics-covid-19-pandemic-race-and-ethnicity-72ab35ef81250e5007f5674d7e0af73d
Quote from: Lunican on October 07, 2021, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Kerry on March 17, 2020, 01:50:17 PM
Your parents aren't going to die.
More than 120,000 US kids had caregivers die during pandemic
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-pandemics-covid-19-pandemic-race-and-ethnicity-72ab35ef81250e5007f5674d7e0af73d
Today in Kerry comments that didn't age well...
Got my Pfizer booster today... no side effects. 8)
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 22, 2021, 05:27:44 PM
Got my Pfizer booster today... no side effects. 8)
Got it last week!
Same, zero side effects on my end.
Got mine too. 2nd was a beast, but just mild for booster
Got my booster last month - needed for my scheduled December trip to Israel (required for entry if its been more than 6 months since 2nd shot).
Got my 3rd last month as well. No effects. Feels great to be vaccinated.
Vaxd as of August (Moderna) but passing on the booster.
And heeeere comes Omicron...
Good scientific data...
https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/new-concerning-variant-b11529
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 23, 2021, 09:49:45 AM
Got my booster last month - needed for my scheduled December trip to Israel (required for entry if its been more than 6 months since 2nd shot).
I heard today Israel closed their borders... many more in the coming days I'm afraid...
^ yep no trip for me (again) - this is the 5th postponement
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 30, 2021, 04:16:17 PM
^ yep no trip for me (again) - this is the 5th postponement
Crushing... sorry man...
^ hey its ok - I made the New York Times today because of it ;)
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/02/business/economy/omicron-economy.html?smid=em-share
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 02, 2021, 10:17:19 AM
^ hey its ok - I made the New York Times today because of it ;)
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/02/business/economy/omicron-economy.html?smid=em-share
Well your looking good tufsu... :). How did they find you??
Yay, a celebrity! Sorry for the circumstance causing it.
Will this affect your hourly consulting rate? :D
Shockingly...(not) a federal judge has stopped Biden's government contractor mandate... many large companies are left trying to navigate the HR nightmare created by Joe... rofl... Florida rolls on...
^^^Exactly. I thank God that I live in Florida.
I'm glad I live in Florida. I wish it wasn't run by such disastrous fools.
Perhaps more quarantines and mandates would improve things...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 10, 2021, 07:15:03 AM
Perhaps more quarantines and mandates would improve things...
Vaccines, and politicians not undercutting vaccines for political gain despite themselves being vaccinated, would definitely improve things.
Quote from: Tacachale on December 10, 2021, 09:38:48 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 10, 2021, 07:15:03 AM
Perhaps more quarantines and mandates would improve things...
Vaccines, and politicians not undercutting vaccines for political gain despite themselves being vaccinated, would definitely improve things.
Perhaps I missed something but how has he undercut vaccines? Pretty sure he advises people to get them if they choose...
Pretty cool collection of vaccinated vs unvaccinated charts...
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 08, 2021, 06:20:30 PM
Shockingly...(not) a federal judge has stopped Biden's government contractor mandate... many large companies are left trying to navigate the HR nightmare created by Joe... rofl... Florida rolls on...
Actually when many on here said a STATE mandate was appropriate, YOU said that if it was such a good idea, why isn't Biden enacting a NATIONAL mandate. I stated the Right would go nuts if he did (which they have), and that the state level was the historical and legally vindicated route.
So in other words, YOU don't have the right to complain about a national mandate.
Lol... sure I do... and Merry Christmas...
Score another "victory" for the state and DeSantis...
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/florida-school-board-members-paychecks/index.html
I'm so glad we aren't being used for presidential run fodder at the expense of the Florida taxpayers.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 02, 2021, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on December 02, 2021, 10:17:19 AM
^ hey its ok - I made the New York Times today because of it ;)
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/02/business/economy/omicron-economy.html?smid=em-share
Well your looking good tufsu... :). How did they find you??
Thanks - and sorry for the late response - I tagged @AmericanAir on Twitter to get the airline's attention in regards to my flight credit - and apparently also got the NY Times attention. Since no Israel (again), I went to Puerto Rico last week for my birthday!
Interesting... Happy Birthday! Saw you on the news the other night regarding emerald trail...
Your becoming a news whore...lol
Quote from: BridgeTroll on December 16, 2021, 03:04:16 PM
Interesting... Happy Birthday! Saw you on the news the other night regarding emerald trail...
Your becoming a news whore...lol
truth
485,000 new covid cases in the U.S. today.
It is INSANE how many people that I know are coming down with Covid this week.
Felt hyperbolic a few weeks ago to hear that "everyone is going to get it," but at this rate, maybe it's not so crazy after all.
Got me this week. Tested positive on Monday. Got my booster last month, so my case is mild.
^Hang in there, Ennis!
Sorry to hear it.
So sorry to hear that Ennis. Hope you are well soon.
Thank goodness you are boosted... I am also boosted but back to wearing a mask everywhere in public indoor areas...
Quote from: Ken_FSU on January 06, 2022, 04:08:35 PM
It is INSANE how many people that I know are coming down with Covid this week.
Felt hyperbolic a few weeks ago to hear that "everyone is going to get it," but at this rate, maybe it's not so crazy after all.
I mean not that I want to get it (or Flu, or any sickness) but my personal belief is that everyone will get a turn with this. It might be in 2 days or in 2 years but we will all get this.
It's proven that vaccination/boosters don't prevent you from getting it, but it's also proven that you have a significant chance of a milder case with vaccines/boosters than without, and I personally have both. That said even if we got 99% vaccination/boosting in this country (which we won't) in what world could we expect this to be the case around the globe? We developed the polio vaccine in the 1950's, and we still have (minimal) cases in the world.
I just don't see it possible to avoid forever a virus that is clearly following a path of becoming more contagious, though thankfully in this latest variant, a bit milder. I mean, what's the off-ramp for all of this? Masking and curbing activities forever?
Again, I don't want to get sick with anything and I feel bad hearing anyone is sick because I'll never wish ill on anyone. However, we all need to face this reality.
Thanks for the get well wishes. I consider it to be a blessing to have a mild case but not have to go into the office right now. Isolation isn't a bad thing for me right now. The week has been pretty refreshing.
I agree with Steve... this will be an annual vax similar to flu or pneumonia.
Lake... what were/are your symptoms? Where did you go to get tested?
I had chills, some slight nasal congestion, a headache, sore throat and an occasional cough or sneeze on Sunday.
I had planned to go into the office on Monday morning but decided to go to a walk in urgent care and get a same day test (waiting 1-2 days for an appointment and an additional wait for getting results back is ridiculous IMO). Had to wait an hour to take the test but had my results back in 10 minutes. I'm down in Central Florida, so I drove 22 miles to a clinic in New Smyrna Beach that did same day results for walk-ins, which is why I had to wait one hour.
Over the last few days, I''ve dealt with congestion, fatigue and an occasional cough or sneeze. I haven't had much of an appetite this week as well. Sometimes I feel perfectly fine than at other times, I just want to lay down and rest. Two years ago, I would have taken some dayquil and went to work. This time, I wanted to make sure before potentially exposing co-workers.
Great information Lake... thanks for sharing. My wife had similar symptoms but when I convinced her to get tested she was negative... I now seem to be developing similar symptoms... I still have an appetite, no fever, and tastebuds working fine...but since my wife was negative I am self quarantined and treating symptoms... using the Zicam zinc nasal swabs so Covid test probably won't happen unless I feel worse.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 07, 2022, 09:47:14 AM
Great information Lake... thanks for sharing. My wife had similar symptoms but when I convinced her to get tested she was negative... I now seem to be developing similar symptoms... I still have an appetite, no fever, and tastebuds working fine...but since my wife was negative I am self quarantined and treating symptoms... using the Zicam zinc nasal swabs so Covid test probably won't happen unless I feel worse.
Of note.... the loss of taste/smell seems to be uncommon with Omicron versus other variants.
Yea I mean one thing that I've considered is that if I do develop these symptoms, personally I'm not hellbent that I need to be tested. The people I live with likely already have it and I'll stay home until I'm completely asymptomatic (or whatever quarantine guidelines the CDC says this week). I don't plan on fighting like hell to get tested.
Now, if my symptoms are so severe that I need medical attention, then that's different (and my feeling is that it probably wouldn't be covid if my symptoms are incredibly severe since I'm vaxxed/boosted).
Jacksonville ICU's are full again. My friend and neighbor was taken to Baptist Downtown a few nights ago via ambulance. There were over 60 people waiting in the ER, half had come in via ambulance. After waiting for four hours with no progress his wife drove him to Baptist South where he died.
If you need medical care in the ER right now you are on your own. Don't get sick. Don't get injured.
Get well on Lake
Quote from: Lunican on January 07, 2022, 03:42:30 PM
Jacksonville ICU's are full again. My friend and neighbor was taken to Baptist Downtown a few nights ago via ambulance. There were over 60 people waiting in the ER, half had come in via ambulance. After waiting for four hours with no progress his wife drove him to Baptist South where he died.
If you need medical care in the ER right now you are on your own. Don't get sick. Don't get injured.
So sorry to hear that Dan... but it is good for everyone to hear... Stay safe...
Quote from: Lunican on January 07, 2022, 03:42:30 PM
Jacksonville ICU's are full again. My friend and neighbor was taken to Baptist Downtown a few nights ago via ambulance. There were over 60 people waiting in the ER, half had come in via ambulance. After waiting for four hours with no progress his wife drove him to Baptist South where he died.
If you need medical care in the ER right now you are on your own. Don't get sick. Don't get injured.
Obviously very very sorry to hear that, but Baptist reported their numbers today and this doesn't seem
Full:
https://twitter.com/baptisthealthjx/status/1479450121737805828?s=21
^Baptist Downtown is completely full. Unfortunately there is no way to determine how full they are from the numbers they post. They are working to convert regular rooms into covid ICU rooms.
A major problem this time around is staff being out with covid. Hospitals are extremely short-staffed at the moment.
Hospitals Are in Serious Trouble
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/omicron-mild-hospital-strain-health-care-workers/621193/
Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 07, 2022, 09:47:14 AM
Great information Lake... thanks for sharing. My wife had similar symptoms but when I convinced her to get tested she was negative... I now seem to be developing similar symptoms... I still have an appetite, no fever, and tastebuds working fine...but since my wife was negative I am self quarantined and treating symptoms... using the Zicam zinc nasal swabs so Covid test probably won't happen unless I feel worse.
Sore throat was bad Friday night... felt like crap Saturday morning so went to urgent care and got swabbed. Still have a wicked sore throat but results just came back negative... more hot tea, lozenges and Tylenol...lol
Quote from: Lunican on December 30, 2021, 01:51:54 PM
485,000 new covid cases in the U.S. today.
1.48 million new cases in the U.S. today.
Quote from: Lunican on January 11, 2022, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: Lunican on December 30, 2021, 01:51:54 PM
485,000 new covid cases in the U.S. today.
1.48 million new cases in the U.S. today.
No one except China seems to be able to control a virus...
Second quarantine of the year.
Between coworkers and friends, I know over 30 people who have tested positive since the New Year.
My 8-year old daughter caught it, as did two members of my team.
Hoping this thing burns off relatively fast like it has elsewhere.
Heard on NPR the opening part of DeSantis's "State of the State" speech today to open the legislative session.
He led off with calling Florida the state of "freedom," repeatedly bragging about his warding off Federal and medical mandates regarding COVID and not once referencing the dire impact COVID has had on the State. He only talked about how he kept businesses and schools open, fighting off Fauci and the "inciteful media," not once mentioning the State's scourge of illness and death or the wipe out of our medical communities and overflowing hospitals. Nor, the negative economic impacts of COVID that offset his "positive impacts" he takes credit for.
He is just a total panderer to the Trump base to build a foundation for his presidential ambitions. Like many politicos today, he doesn't really care how many backs he needs to trample over to get there. It is what is truly wrong with our political system today, driven very much by dark money {e.g. see the recent connections between Nextera/Florida Power & Light dark money and the efforts to sell JEA and put up bogus candidates to manipulate election outcomes (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-dark-money-ghost-candidates-tactics-20211230-7zelkoadffclde3z76ax3cgx3m-htmlstory.html (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-dark-money-ghost-candidates-tactics-20211230-7zelkoadffclde3z76ax3cgx3m-htmlstory.html))}.
QuoteDeSantis, a Republican who is seeking a second term in November and hasn't ruled out a White House bid in 2024, called Florida the "freest state" in the U.S.
"Florida has become the escape hatch for those chafing under authoritarian, arbitrary and seemingly never-ending mandates and restrictions," he told a packed and largely maskless House chamber in Tallahassee during his 33-minute address.
DeSantis said school closures have been reckless, politically motivated and hurt students, and he cited job losses the governor blamed on mandates that he complained have denied Americans freedom because of a "coercive biomedical apparatus."
These policies, DeSantis said, are grounded in "blind adherence to Faucian declarations," a reference to Dr. Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden and formerly a top adviser to presidents since 1984, including President Donald Trump....
....In their official response to the governor's speech, Democrats noted that more than 60,000 people in Florida have died from COVID-19.
"What we don't need is to create more fake boogeymen," said Rep. Evan Jenne, D-Hollywood. "There's already enough fear and anger in our society, we don't need our elected leaders making it worse."
Jenne added: "We don't need the third-largest state in America to devote it's entire legislative session to making sacrifices at the altar of political ambition for any one individual."...
....In November, DeSantis will run for re-election as governor against one of three candidates vying to be the Democratic nominee: Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried, Rep. Charlie Crist, D-Fla., and state Sen. Annette Taddeo, D-Miami.
Fried, in an interview, said DeSantis is forcing his own beliefs on the people of Florida, and is not being transparent enough to Floridians about his plans for the years to come.
"His attempts to run for president of the United States means that he no longer is caring about the people," she said. "He wants to use the people of our state as his own tools to get to the White House, and it's really up to the people of the state to stop him."
https://www.wuft.org/news/2022/01/11/freedom-works-desantis-mocks-covid-restrictions-bashes-feds-on-economy-and-immigration/
I think we're finally coming to grips with the inevitable that most everyone will be exposed to this. I think the faster we come to grips with this, the better:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/omicron-variant-will-find-just-about-everybody-fauci-says-but-vaccinated-people-will-still-fare-better/ar-AASE8Qn?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Remaining unvaccinated is a bad bet.
Quote from: Lunican on January 12, 2022, 01:41:17 PM
Remaining unvaccinated is a bad bet.
On THAT we 100% agree. I don't get the hesitancy - wife and I both are vaxxed with booster.
This past week both my kids have tested positive (too young for vaccine) - one on Friday and one on Monday. For them, it is an extremely mild cold - so mild we likely would have sent them to school at other times. The only thing that threw me off is Friday night one of them had a dry cough so we tested her.
My wife and I haven't tested positive (both taken 2 rapids a few days apart), but since Saturday I've had a scratchy throat and have felt a little rundown at the end of the day....all so mild that had I not suspected covid I'd have gone to work and may or may not have even considered downing a dose of dayquil.
Apparently they now want us to wear the N95 masks... next up...scuba...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 12, 2022, 03:37:08 PM
Apparently they now want us to wear the N95 masks... next up...scuba...
N95 and KN95 have long been the preferred masks to wear. With the increased contagiousness of Omnicron, their superior filtering and tighter fit has become even more necessary. Just make sure they are NIOSH approved (list of such brands can be found on the internet). Amazon and others have been selling many N95 and KN95 masks not so approved to unsuspecting buyers.
Genuine question here-what exactly are we trying to prevent here (aside from those who do not have funny functioning immune systems): Assuming you're healthy and vaccinated, the hospitalization rate for Covid is like 5 per 100k people. Flu is between 40 and 60 per 100k (CDC numbers on both).
The whole, "zero Covid" thing isn't going to happen since vaccines -while dramatically improving symptoms - don't seem to be doing much to limit spread.
Personally I just think we're all delaying the inevitable with all of this.
I certainly am not a doctor and I have been wrong on many things in life so this could be one of them, but shouldn't we be targeting public health policy to those that do not have fully functioning immune systems?
Great debate question Steve because there is no consensus or right answer. First sentence refers to "we". I know what I am trying to prevent and I'm sure every individual has a good idea of what they are trying to prevent but after that things diverge quickly... businesses are just trying to stay open, hospitals are trying to not be overwhelmed, teachers want to instruct effectively without infection, government wants to keep everyone safe, tourists want to travel... the list goes on.
Common sense says, inoculate, mask and distance but complying with some of those things interfere with some of the activities and attitudes listed above... remote learning as a stopgap was Ok but isnt a solution. Businesses cannot be mask/jab police, and relaxing quarantine time to accomodate "vital services" puts health care and others at risk.
I don't know the answer to any of these but I will protect myself and family...
Aside from the disproportionately amplified political partisans, I think most of us -- experts and laypeople alike -- are struggling with the uncertainty. We have decades of data to baseline the flu and other viruses against; when 30k+ people have severe complications from flu annually for decades, we're used to it.
Maybe the next COVID variant is highly transmissible and even milder than omicron. Maybe it degrades and fails to effectively propagate. Maybe it gets even more severe and kills more people than any earlier variant. People smarter than me may even know the probabilities around these outcomes, but with only 2 years of experience handling this virus, I think current guidelines and policies skew more aggressive to hedge against the uncertainty of what has so far been a volatile range of observations in outcomes associated with this virus.
I have mentioned this before, but encourage people to follow www.covidestim.org
Their modeling was pretty spot on for how Delta spread and then receded throughout the country.
It now shows that virus spread has pretty much stopped in Miami - primarily because so many there got it. Her in Jax, the replication factor just dropped below 1, which means the virus is starting to recede. If you look at the maps of Florida this week compared with two weeks ago, things are clearly improving. Of course hospitalizations lag, so we likely won't see a decline there for several more weeks.
I think this time hospitalizations will recede a lot faster than in other spikes, as there's a MUCH higher percentage of being hospitalized WITH Covid vs. FOR Covid.
If Insurance companies would stop covering hospital stays for unvaccinated people what effect would that have?
Quote from: MusicMan on January 14, 2022, 12:56:38 PM
If Insurance companies would stop covering hospital stays for unvaccinated people what effect would that have?
Nothing.
Debt for the Hospital.
Most hospitals won't turn a sick patient away, regardless of what happened. I mean, that goes down a path: suppose a patient OD'ed on an illegal drug; the hospital is going to do their best to save the person regardless of payment ability.
Quote from: Steve on January 14, 2022, 02:06:01 PM
Debt for the Hospital.
Most hospitals won't turn a sick patient away, regardless of what happened. I mean, that goes down a path: suppose a patient OD'ed on an illegal drug; the hospital is going to do their best to save the person regardless of payment ability.
Exactly, these people wouldn't all the sudden go out an get a vaccine. They already think it's not a big deal. They'd just get COVID and show up at the hospital without insurance. Sort the rest out later.
DeSantis really amp-ing it up. Railing against even his conservative Supreme Court justices. He's not happy with the court's split decision that still allows a vaccine mandate for health workers. While he is worried about the near 1% of them refusing vaccines he has no concern for the near 99% that got the vaccines, most of which want the mandates along with their patients. You got to wonder how he thinks this builds his base.
QuoteGov. Ron DeSantis offered a mixed review of the Supreme Court's two decisions regarding vaccine mandates Friday, questioning the judgment of two GOP-appointed justices in the process.
He noted the decision to uphold a challenge to Occupational Health and Safety Administration private business vaccine-or-test mandates was a "no brainer," but said Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Brett Kavanaugh failed to show "backbone" in their decision to keep a mandate in place for health care workers.
The Governor made the comments on the right-of-center Ruthless Podcast.
"We won 6-3 on that, which is good, but honestly, this a no brainer. Anybody who's not a far-left jurist is going to go that way. But on the medical, the nurse mandate and the doctor mandate, Roberts and Kavanaugh joined with the liberals to allow the nurse mandate," DeSantis said, to boos.
"Here's what's going on. Think about how insane this is. Now in Florida, we protected the nurses, so we have people who are working. But in other states, they fired nurses who were not vaccinated. Many of them have natural immunity from prior infection. So they fire them. Now they're so shorthanded, they're bringing back nurses who are COVID positive," DeSantis said.
Florida will "enforce its protections" for medical staff — developed in 2021's Special Session — DeSantis said, before closing with a slam of Roberts and Kavanaugh again.
"Honestly, Roberts and Kavanaugh didn't have a backbone on that decision. That's the bottom line," DeSantis said on the ruling on health care workers.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/486763-gov-desantis-questions-backbone-of-john-roberts-brett-kavanaugh-after-justices-uphold-health-care-vax-mandate/
The state Attorney General Ashley Moody piles on and adds a refrain railing against Federal efforts that "obliterate the separation of powers." Really? How about her governor who is running rough shod over local community governments and boards, dissenters, the media, educators, etc. without any regard to limiting his powers? Is anyone paying attention to the latest effort to effectively block local ordinances if even one party is negatively effected, basically gutting local government?
QuoteDeSantis' interview was released shortly after a television interview with Attorney General Ashley Moody, who lauded the court decision on the private employer mandate and suggested more of these fights are coming between the state and the Joe Biden administration.
"This isn't the end," Moody warned. "You're going to see more mandates, more attempts by this administration to encroach upon states, to obliterate the separation of powers. And in order to have a free society, a true democracy, you have to have people willing to fight and stand up, and we'll continue to do that."
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/486763-gov-desantis-questions-backbone-of-john-roberts-brett-kavanaugh-after-justices-uphold-health-care-vax-mandate/
"They'd just get COVID and show up at the hospital without insurance. Sort the rest out later."
"Most hospitals won't turn a sick patient away, regardless of what happened. I mean, that goes down a path: suppose a patient OD'ed on an illegal drug; the hospital is going to do their best to save the person regardless of payment ability"
Makes you wonder why anyone at all pays for health insurance.
Seriously - this crap DeSantis spews about natural immunity. How many of us know people that have caught COVID more than once?
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 16, 2022, 08:47:09 PM
Seriously - this crap DeSantis spews about natural immunity. How many of us know people that have caught COVID more than once?
Good point. I do.
Just ordered my 4 (free) Covid tests... covidtest.gov
Very easy...
A little piece of time travel. This PBS documentary chronicles the earliest days of the pandemic and plainly and painfully illustrates China's direct contribution to MILLIONS of deaths worldwide.
Watch this... you will be shaking your head...
https://www.pbs.org/video/chinas-covid-secrets-fvxx8y/
Quote from: Steve on January 13, 2022, 08:04:59 AM
Genuine question here-what exactly are we trying to prevent here (aside from those who do not have funny functioning immune systems): Assuming you're healthy and vaccinated, the hospitalization rate for Covid is like 5 per 100k people. Flu is between 40 and 60 per 100k (CDC numbers on both).
The whole, "zero Covid" thing isn't going to happen since vaccines -while dramatically improving symptoms - don't seem to be doing much to limit spread.
Personally I just think we're all delaying the inevitable with all of this.
I certainly am not a doctor and I have been wrong on many things in life so this could be one of them, but shouldn't we be targeting public health policy to those that do not have fully functioning immune systems?
I think we are still trying to prevent healthcare collapse. Since there are so many unvaccinated people, masks are still recommended for everyone. With 100% vaccination I think the public policy for masking and other mitigation would be different.
Quote from: Lunican on January 28, 2022, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: Steve on January 13, 2022, 08:04:59 AM
Genuine question here-what exactly are we trying to prevent here (aside from those who do not have funny functioning immune systems): Assuming you're healthy and vaccinated, the hospitalization rate for Covid is like 5 per 100k people. Flu is between 40 and 60 per 100k (CDC numbers on both).
The whole, "zero Covid" thing isn't going to happen since vaccines -while dramatically improving symptoms - don't seem to be doing much to limit spread.
Personally I just think we're all delaying the inevitable with all of this.
I certainly am not a doctor and I have been wrong on many things in life so this could be one of them, but shouldn't we be targeting public health policy to those that do not have fully functioning immune systems?
I think we are still trying to prevent healthcare collapse. Since there are so many unvaccinated people, masks are still recommended for everyone. With 100% vaccination I think the public policy for masking and other mitigation would be different.
So how much of this healthcare "collapse" is because of policy, like limiting when covid positive/exposed healthcare workers are quarantining?
I have no idea. But I assume reducing the quarantine time to 5 days is meant to help get healthcare workers back faster.
100,000 U.S. deaths in 50 days in the Omicron wave. Deaths are still 2,500+ per day but should start dropping soon. The big question is... what happens next?
Likely cases ebb and flow from now for years to come, perhaps for decades.
Personally, I can tell you that unlike Delta and previous variants I just don't attribute all the deaths to Omicron. I have no doubt there are that many death certificates from people that had Covid when they died, but this time around there are a lot more "with" covid than "for" covid hospitalizations. The limited numbers that hospitals are putting out around this fact show this.
Here's the bottom line I can't get past - if your vaccinated and boosted, the chances of serious illness (nevermind death) are infinitesimal. It just doesn't happen. Additionally, the only group that can't get vaxxed (under 5) is also (thankfully) the lowest risk age group for serious illness - numbers show they are only slightly higher risk than a vaccinated adult.
Based on history it seems unlikely that there will be a variant worse than what we've seen (viruses like this throughout history tend to become more contagious as they mutate but tend to create less severe illness). If that happens then obviously we need to adjust.
Otherwise, while I will not be defiant of a private business that asks for masks (their right to do so) I'm pretty much done with any precautions other than what I do during flu season - perhaps wash my hands a little more and that's it. It seems like masks on planes and such may be done after March (number of friends inside the airline industry are thinking that's the case though obviously they don't know for sure). Most conferences and large meetings like CES and NRF have resumed in person (despite some large companies pulling out of in person). In my industry (supply chain) most clients are preferring in person meetings at this point, where a year ago most did in person only when truly necessary.
The biggest complaint I have from our federal government and CDC is the fact that their messaging doesn't seem to have an off-ramp. When you compare our messaging around precautions, masking, etc. with other countries (and the WHO, who has the charge of dealing with truly impoverished countries) it just doesn't add up. Kids masking is a big one - CDC recommends 2 and up, WHO is 6 and up, and the UK is 11 and up.
(off soapbox now)