No.
No they are not.
I just love making fun of those style headlines.
I'm a Jag fan not because i'm into sports, but because it is a huge part of Jacksonville. I remember hearing talk of us getting an NFL team in 1989 on the "the big ape 95.1" and them taking a poll on what our team name would be. Then 4 years later, being in 8th grade health/PEclass when they announced that we beat out Baltimore & St Louis for the NFL's 30th Franchise. I know this sounds like an Eddie Farrah commercial, my bad.
Either way, the hometown loyalty finally over-rode my disenchantment with 8 dollar beers & hotdogs this year as I finally gave in and bought season tickets. I'm not saying I'm regretting it because I GUESS it is supporting the city, by giving the NFL a lot of my hard earned money. But from those of you who are more sports-literate out there...
tell me...is it going to be a rough season?
If we're 0-3 after this Sunday, there will be LOTS of drinking from this point out.
what??? did you say the Pierson twins shot that back-up lineman??? i hope they fry. ;)
IMO, Indy will be the test. They're struggling a bit as well but if the Jags can pull it together and secure the number 2 spot in the division by beating Indy at home then we may be in for a descent season. If the Jags flounder and lose, things may be pretty grim.
Well...the Giants started last year 0-2 and were down 17-3 at halftime of the third game...and we all know how they finished the year. 0-2 isn't the end of the world, nor would 0-3 be if we get to that point. However, to overcome the poor start, the team has to improve. It's not like you can blame it on being unlucky and assume things will just turn around. The only way we have any chance of bouncing back is we've simply got to play better. So can they do that? Can we stretch the field and open it up for the running game? Can we sustain drives to keep the defense off the field just a little bit longer? Can our patchwork O-line continue to improve with more and more reps together in practice?
If so, then we have a chance to salvage the season, win or lose at Indy. Of course, a win would help a lot more, though.
Quote from: David on September 18, 2008, 10:47:41 AM
But from those of you who are more sports-literate out there...
tell me...is it going to be a rough season?
^ True. Might as well get the losses out of the way. :)
Quote from: David on September 18, 2008, 10:47:41 AM
I'm a Jag fan not because i'm into sports, but because it is a huge part of Jacksonville. I remember hearing talk of us getting an NFL team in 1989 on the "the big ape 95.1" and them taking a poll on what our team name would be. Being in 8th grade health/PEclass when they announced that we beat out Baltimore & St Louis for the NFL's 30th Franchise.
It was November 30, 1993. Not 1989.
1993 is when we got the team. I'll clarify my original post, i'm alil sketchy with the transitions there.
But 1989 was when Touchdown Jacksonville was formed, which was Wayne Weaver's campaign to bring an NFL team to Jacksonville. 1989 is the earliest I can remember hearing the name "Jaguars" kicked around. I clearly remember it because it was a poll 95.1 WAPE did during the "5 o'clock shout" on a Friday after school when I was in the 5th grade. They were asking listeners to call in and cast their vote and Jaguars was one of the choices.
Quotetell me...is it going to be a rough season?
Yes. It'll separate the real fans from the bandwagon jumpers from last season.
I think it's awesome that you have memories like that about this team. You can't buy the kind of feeling you must get as a season ticket holder sitting in that seat on game day.
Whatever happens it will still be a fun season (if you like to watch the NFL). There's a ton of interesting story lines. There's more than a few teams in trouble right now. The Chargers were everyone's pick to go to the super bowl and they are also 0-2. Brady is out for the season. The Colts have injuries and Manning has looked off. Farve is in NY...and playing well. Aaron Rodgers is playing well. The Broncos might win the AFC west now. Miami and Atlanta don't look to be nearly as bad as they were last season. The Cowboys and Eagles both look great.
The Jags are struggling but this is what makes a team stronger. This is also what makes a team's fan base solid. Football is about adversity. Talk to the Browns fans about losing seasons and team loyalty. How cool would it be to watch the Jags persevere through tragedy, loss, injuries and mediocrity and squeak in to the playoffs?
At the end of the day, when you cut away all the fat you have a team of guys and the city they represent. That's it. It's a pride thing. There's tons of cities that can't lay claim to that. Some people call that silly and others will turn their noses up at it - but it is what it is. Jacksonville is an NFL city and it should be proud of that, win or lose.
P.S.
The Pierson twins are also responsible for the economy.
Brokenforum, very well said!!!! I was a Pats fan all through the Grogan-Eason years. I paid my dues to finally have a winning team. I was embarrassed last year with the whole Spygate thing. But, I'm still a Pats fan.. True fans will stick with their team through thick and thin, that what being a FAN ia all about.. Hell, it took my Red Sox 86 years for a World Series. I was hoping for this to be the Jags year though. I consider myself a Jags fan also, as long as they're not playing the Pats. I think that this is going to be a very tough year for them though. Too many injuries, too early in the season, but, if they do make it, it'll be legendary and that's great for them and the city.
YepYep I haven't changed my allegance to being a Jags fan. Even when we've gone 4-12 twice. The only thing i've been against is going to the games because franky I didn't have the money to spend on it until this year. I've always prefered watching them in my own home or a sportsbar where it's more affordable & comfortable.
I think when people crictize others for not going to the games, they're forgetting not everyone has the money to spend on football like that. Plus at at least 55 bucks a ticket, is the NFL really losing money by ONLY having 60,000 people show up?
Wait til the new Meadowlands and Dallas stadiums open up...the profits will go through the (retractable) roof! Meadowlands' capacity will be the third-highest in the league at 82,500 and Dallas' will be 100,000!! Unless the revenue sharing system is altered in some way, Jax, along with a good number of other franchises, is screwed. Then we'll have to just eliminate the cap altogether.
Quote from: David on September 18, 2008, 01:00:32 PM
I think when people critize others for not going to the games, they're forgetting not everyone has the money to spend on football like that. Plus at at least 55 bucks a ticket, is the NFL really losing money by ONLY having 60,000 people show up?
Going into Sunday's game, the Jags have two things going in their favor, possibly three.
1. Colts Safety Bob Sanders is out. He basically IS their run defense for all intents and purposes.
2. Colts O-line, like Jacksonville, is also banged up.
3. Jerry Porter could be on the field this weekend.
It's not a must win game - the Jags could still lose another 3-4 and squeak into the playoffs at 9-7. But it certainly would help tremendously to win.
Quote from: David on September 18, 2008, 01:00:32 PM
YepYep I haven't changed my allegance to being a Jags fan. Even when we've gone 4-12 twice. The only thing i've been against is going to the games because franky I didn't have the money to spend on it until this year. I've always prefered watching them in my own home or a sportsbar where it's more affordable & comfortable.
I think when people critize others for not going to the games, they're forgetting not everyone has the money to spend on football like that. Plus at at least 55 bucks a ticket, is the NFL really losing money by ONLY having 60,000 people show up?
I'm with you, man. The tickets do come at a dear price, but I figured that this was the year to put my money where my mouth is. Incidentally, this was the first year I could swing it financially as well.
I don't think that the remarks about people not buying tickets have ever been directed at those who don't have the means. There are plenty of people who can afford it who choose not to support the team that way. I don't know why. I still consider them fans, but it grates on me to hear some of my friends, who do have the means, complain about blackouts and LA rumors, yet they do not consider buying more than occasional single-game tickets. 'It's too hot; I like to watch the late games and can't if I go; It takes too long to get down there and get home; etc, etc." Those are the lame excuses, IMO. A buddy said, "I
almost got the Teal (half-season) pack this year. Almost? Dude. Weak.
Back to the topic at hand, I think it's still possible to put together a decent season. We're not screwed yet by any means. That doesn't mean it won't still be an uphill struggle getting to the bye week with a winning record, but there's hope there. We weren't that far from winning both games, even with the poor offensive showing. We were one defensive stop from scratching out a W in each of those games.
It's tough to have all these lofty expectations to start the season and then get kicked in the gut by all the adversity so far. This is where it becomes human drama, and not just a bunch of big dudes beating on each other for 3 hours. I'm anxious to see how it all plays out, and I'll be on the edge of my seat in The Jack, every game.
Haha, nicely said. mind if I steal that? And don't forget Williamson...hopefully between him and Porter we might have some semblance of a deep threat.
Quote from: rjp2008 on September 18, 2008, 02:44:12 PM
1. Colts Safety Bob Sanders is out. He basically IS their run defense for all intents and purposes.
Beautiful, man. I agree with everything you said.
Quote from: ac on September 18, 2008, 03:29:25 PM
I'm with you, man. The tickets do come at a dear price, but I figured that this was the year to put my money where my mouth is. Incidentally, this was the first year I could swing it financially as well.
I don't think that the remarks about people not buying tickets have ever been directed at those who don't have the means. There are plenty of people who can afford it who choose not to support the team that way. I don't know why. I still consider them fans, but it grates on me to hear some of my friends, who do have the means, complain about blackouts and LA rumors, yet they do not consider buying more than occasional single-game tickets. 'It's too hot; I like to watch the late games and can't if I go; It takes too long to get down there and get home; etc, etc." Those are the lame excuses, IMO. A buddy said, "I almost got the Teal (half-season) pack this year. Almost? Dude. Weak.
Back to the topic at hand, I think it's still possible to put together a decent season. We're not screwed yet by any means. That doesn't mean it won't still be an uphill struggle getting to the bye week with a winning record, but there's hope there. We weren't that far from winning both games, even with the poor offensive showing. We were one defensive stop from scratching out a W in each of those games.
It's tough to have all these lofty expectations to start the season and then get kicked in the gut by all the adversity so far. This is where it becomes human drama, and not just a bunch of big dudes beating on each other for 3 hours. I'm anxious to see how it all plays out, and I'll be on the edge of my seat in The Jack, every game.
Quote from: ac on September 18, 2008, 03:29:25 PM
I'm with you, man. The tickets do come at a dear price, but I figured that this was the year to put my money where my mouth is. Incidentally, this was the first year I could swing it financially as well.
I don't think that the remarks about people not buying tickets have ever been directed at those who don't have the means. There are plenty of people who can afford it who choose not to support the team that way. I don't know why. I still consider them fans, but it grates on me to hear some of my friends, who do have the means, complain about blackouts and LA rumors, yet they do not consider buying more than occasional single-game tickets. 'It's too hot; I like to watch the late games and can't if I go; It takes too long to get down there and get home; etc, etc." Those are the lame excuses, IMO. A buddy said, "I almost got the Teal (half-season) pack this year. Almost? Dude. Weak.
I had no excuses before, I just had this chip on my shoulder about the lack of heart in pro sports and how it seemed to ONLY focus on profit. I mean you've seen Basketball right? Here's the dialogue from the opening scene:
"
Soon it was commonplace for entire teams to change cities in search of greater profits: New York to Oklahoma, Oregon to San Diego to Florida he Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes. The Oilers moved to Tennessee, where there is no oil. The Jazz moved to Salt Lake City, where they don't allow music. The Oakland Raiders moved to L.A. and then back to Oakland. No one in Los Angeles seemed to notice.""
The constant threat to leave because your city is not spending enough money had turned me off in the past but hey...it is a business and NOT college football. I figured I’d try and do my part since it's no longer breaking the bank.
I'm glad there was some compromise on the stadium capacity. Back when it was around 76,000 that required an insane percentage of the population to attend. With only 1.3 million within the metro area, that's a sizable chunk of our population and it's not like we have other markets to draw from like Green Bay and Buffalo does. We've got the Atlantic to our East & South Ga to our north the sparsely populated panhandle to the west and Orlando to our south that tends to favor the Bucks. Nor do we have the long standing history either that sells out other small market teams like Green Bay, that history's being made right now.
It really is all up to us in the immediate area. I just hope when Wayne Weaver's gone, the Jags will still stay!
No matter how banged up the Colts are, Manning is still on the field and if the defense cant put him on the ground they will win. It will come to Imo who can score the most points,, I hope we can do it. If 0-3 I will have to get my prescription refilled again :)
Quote from: David on September 18, 2008, 05:36:02 PM
I had no excuses before, I just had this chip on my shoulder about the lack of heart in pro sports and how it seemed to ONLY focus on profit. I mean you've seen Basketball right? Here's the dialogue from the opening scene:
"Soon it was commonplace for entire teams to change cities in search of greater profits: New York to Oklahoma, Oregon to San Diego to Florida he Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes. The Oilers moved to Tennessee, where there is no oil. The Jazz moved to Salt Lake City, where they don't allow music. The Oakland Raiders moved to L.A. and then back to Oakland. No one in Los Angeles seemed to notice.""
The constant threat to leave because your city is not spending enough money had turned me off in the past but hey...it is a business and NOT college football. I figured I’d try and do my part since it's no longer breaking the bank.
I'm glad there was some compromise on the stadium capacity. Back when it was around 76,000 that required an insane percentage of the population to attend. With only 1.3 million within the metro area, that's a sizable chunk of our population and it's not like we have other markets to draw from like Green Bay and Buffalo does. We've got the Atlantic to our East & South Ga to our north the sparsely populated panhandle to the west and Orlando to our south that tends to favor the Bucks. Nor do we have the long standing history either that sells out other small market teams like Green Bay, that history's being made right now.
It really is all up to us in the immediate area. I just hope when Wayne Weaver's gone, the Jags will still stay!
In the modern age of the NFL, every time a team has moved, the issue has been the quality of the facilities, not fan support or lack thereof. There's always a first time for that to happen, but the stadium is state of the art as of 2004, when upgrades were made to it in advance of the Super Bowl.
I would get more worried when the Jags start voicing dissatisfaction with JMS and saying a new stadium is needed, or if the talks with the City to renew their lease next time around turn contentious.
That said, attendance issues don't make us look good, and selling out definitely sends a message. Covering seats was a compromise, and the intent was to raise the value of having tickets by limiting supply. Jacksonville has the density to fill the entire stadium; it was full and rocking for years. The Jaguars are literally the only game in town. But that debate is settled due to the covers. I believe that for some reason, a lot of people have soured on them, and I don't know why.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 18, 2008, 07:06:42 PM
It will come to Imo who can score the most points
I agree with your opinion. ;D
Quote from: ac on September 18, 2008, 08:23:23 PM
I would get more worried when the Jags start voicing dissatisfaction with JMS and saying a new stadium is needed, or if the talks with the City to renew their lease next time around turn contentious.
Yes, this could be a problem some day. But not until the ticket sales issue is fixed. The idea of building new and improved stadiums is to maximize profits, and there wouldn't be any point if the current stadium wasn't getting filled.
I just had to share after reading about this in the folio:
Pre-Game Coin Toss Makes Jacksonville Jaguars Realize Randomness Of Life
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/pre_game_coin_toss_makes
http://www.youtube.com/v/y1feEqgRZQI
Gotta love the onion
:D Hilarious! :D
I'm waiting for somebody to blame Leftwich.
I've never seen these guys before. I'll have to check out the site. :)
I like the sports update at the bottom of the screen: "QB David Garrard stripped naked, told witnesses he was 'going east', to toil."
lol
What happened to the original topic? I was still reading it? No more freedom of speech?