QuoteThe Times-Union
Metropolitan Park will be the site for a rally Saturday by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Gates will open at the Gator Bowl Boulevard recreational area at 12:30 p.m. and Obama will speak at 2:30 p.m., according to organizers.
The event is free but space is limited and reservations are being encouraged. Reservations can be made at fl.barackobama.com/jacksonvillechange.
Obama’s visit to Jacksonville will be his first since June, when the Democratic presidential candidate spoke at a fundraiser.
His visit follows a recent campaign stop from Republican candidate John McCain, who was in town Monday.
http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/09/17/metropolitan-park-to-host-saturday-rally-by-barack-obama/
Unless it rains, that won't be difficult to do. Only 3,000 showed up for McCain's event.
Quote from: stephendare on September 17, 2008, 11:09:56 PM
I hope this thing blows McCains rally right out of the water!
Go Obama!
it will really mean something if more people show up.
Not sure that it's a fair comparison when you consider Mr. McCain's was on a working Monday morning stopover that was originally expected to be a smaller scale "pancake breakfast" that had enough of a response rate to shift over to the arena. Mr. Obama's rally, however, should provide a better venue in terms of timing & location. As a "centrist", I attended Monday's & plan on attending Saturday's too. What's crazy is that I anticipate Mrs. Palin's planned October visit to possibly draw more than either - go figure.......
Quote from: blizz01 on September 17, 2008, 11:32:31 PM
Not sure that it's a fair comparison when you consider Mr. McCain's was on a working Monday morning stopover that was originally expected to be a smaller scale "pancake breakfast" that had enough of a response rate to shift over to the arena. Mr. Obama's rally, however, should provide a better venue in terms of timing & location. As a "centrist", I attended Monday's & plan on attending Saturday's too. What's crazy is that I anticipate Mrs. Palin's planned October visit to possibly draw more than either - go figure.......
good points.
Quote from: thelakelander on September 17, 2008, 09:05:41 PM
QuoteThe Times-Union
Metropolitan Park will be the site for a rally Saturday by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Gates will open at the Gator Bowl Boulevard recreational area at 12:30 p.m. and Obama will speak at 2:30 p.m., according to organizers.
The event is free but space is limited and reservations are being encouraged. Reservations can be made at fl.barackobama.com/jacksonvillechange.
Obama’s visit to Jacksonville will be his first since June, when the Democratic presidential candidate spoke at a fundraiser.
His visit follows a recent campaign stop from Republican candidate John McCain, who was in town Monday.
http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/09/17/metropolitan-park-to-host-saturday-rally-by-barack-obama/
Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure not to go downtown that day. Hopefully the Obama supporters wont leave too much litter in front of my building.
Looks like I scheduled my vacation at just the right time! ;D
QuoteAs quoted by RiversideGator
"Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure not to go downtown that day. Hopefully the Obama supporters wont leave too much litter in front of my building."
I think that is so funny! We do lots of neighborhood cleanups and we have invited both McCain's campaign and Obama's campaign to help get our community clean. Guess who is always willing to help with the community and pick up litter? OBAMA'S peeps!
I will be there, after our International Coastal Cleanup with Obama supporters!
All the teabaggers wil be there!
Quote from: jaxtrader on September 18, 2008, 07:25:29 AM
All the teabaggers wil be there!
Probably more than 3k too.
Most people work on Monday mornings...like me.....so I imagine there were thousands of others like me who would have loved to go to McCains rally, but unfortunatley couldnt make it. Even so a few thousand on Monday morning isnt that bad. Maybe I can make it to see Palin!!! ;D
hey...but there will be a tough choice on Saturday too....UF game is at 3:30pm and FSU plays in Tally at 7pm....I would love tyo go see Obamac, but since he will probably be late, I can't do that and go to Tally.
And yes, in the fall, football is more important ;D
Quote from: fsujax on September 18, 2008, 08:02:35 AM
Most people work on Monday mornings...like me.....so I imagine there were thousands of others like me who would have loved to go to McCains rally, but unfortunatley couldnt make it. Even so a few thousand on Monday morning isnt that bad. Maybe I can make it to see Palin!!! ;D
I'll save you a trip:
"I told Congress thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere."
"I put my private jet on eBay."
"I fired our personal chef."
Quote from: copperfiend on September 18, 2008, 08:12:14 AM
Quote from: fsujax on September 18, 2008, 08:02:35 AM
Most people work on Monday mornings...like me.....so I imagine there were thousands of others like me who would have loved to go to McCains rally, but unfortunatley couldnt make it. Even so a few thousand on Monday morning isnt that bad. Maybe I can make it to see Palin!!! ;D
I'll save you a trip:
"I told Congress thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere."
"I put my private jet on eBay."
"I fired our personal chef."
do you think BHO will say anything original? Is he still saying he isn't a typical old politician?
Some fact checking on Palin's claims:
"I told Congress thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere."
---note true. She actually lobbied for it, but eventually was against once it became a symbol of pork. She still kept the money, ear-marked for the project and used it on other spending projects.
"I put my private jet on eBay."
----not true. She sold it, at a large loss , on the private market
"I fired our personal chef."
---not true. He was transferred to another part of the state government.
Quote from: will on September 18, 2008, 08:53:05 AM
Some fact checking on Palin's claims:
"I told Congress thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere."
---note true. She actually lobbied for it, but eventually was against once it became a symbol of pork. She still kept the money, ear-marked for the project and used it on other spending projects.
"I put my private jet on eBay."
----not true. She sold it, at a large loss , on the private market
"I fired our personal chef."
---not true. He was transferred to another part of the state government.
zing
Are The Decemberist opening up for him? I'll be there regardless, but i'm just saying, It'd be a bonus.
Quote from: jaxtrader on September 18, 2008, 07:25:29 AM
All the teabaggers wil be there!
Shouldn't they be at the McCain rallies? If you think about it, McCain probably doesn't have any of his original teeth left, so I think the teabaggers would enjoy the soft, calming sensation of raw exposed gum on their flesh.
Quote from: copperfiend on September 18, 2008, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: will on September 18, 2008, 08:53:05 AM
Some fact checking on Palin's claims:
"I told Congress thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere."
---note true. She actually lobbied for it, but eventually was against once it became a symbol of pork. She still kept the money, ear-marked for the project and used it on other spending projects.
"I put my private jet on eBay."
----not true. She sold it, at a large loss , on the private market
"I fired our personal chef."
---not true. He was transferred to another part of the state government.
zing
ooo ouch... :)
Quote from: tashi on September 18, 2008, 12:44:38 AM
QuoteAs quoted by RiversideGator
"Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure not to go downtown that day. Hopefully the Obama supporters wont leave too much litter in front of my building."
I think that is so funny! We do lots of neighborhood cleanups and we have invited both McCain's campaign and Obama's campaign to help get our community clean. Guess who is always willing to help with the community and pick up litter? OBAMA'S peeps!
I will be there, after our International Coastal Cleanup with Obama supporters!
Funny. I wonder who is more likely to litter - McCain supporters or Obama supporters? I think the answer is pretty obvious (Obama people).
Fact checking your "fact checking":
Quote from: will on September 18, 2008, 08:53:05 AM
Some fact checking on Palin's claims:
"I told Congress thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere."
---note true. She actually lobbied for it, but eventually was against once it became a symbol of pork. She still kept the money, ear-marked for the project and used it on other spending projects.
Palin initially supported the project but Palin killed it in 2007 long before she was running for VP. She had realized it was wasteful and unneeded. Better to come around late than never. Obama and Biden meanwhile voted for the Bridge to Nowhere and against a bill which would have shifted the funding to Katrina relief and New Orleans reconstruction.
http://cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/obama-and-biden-voted-for-bridge-to-nowhere,1628/
Quote"I put my private jet on eBay."
----not true. She sold it, at a large loss , on the private market
You are just looking at the price paid for it minus the price it sold for. Obviously it sold for less - it was used. What you are failing to consider is the savings in not having to pay to store it, for jet fuel, for maintenance and for a pilot. Looking at the totality of the situation, this was a net savings to the taxpayers.
Quote"I fired our personal chef."
---not true. He was transferred to another part of the state government.
Source? Also, even if he was transferred, a government position was eliminated thereby saving the taxpayers money. Sorry, but your "fact checking" was not exactly consistent with the facts. ;)
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 02:05:25 PM
Fact checking your "fact checking":
Quote from: will on September 18, 2008, 08:53:05 AM
Some fact checking on Palin's claims:
"I told Congress thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere."
---note true. She actually lobbied for it, but eventually was against once it became a symbol of pork. She still kept the money, ear-marked for the project and used it on other spending projects.
Palin initially supported the project but Palin killed it in 2007 long before she was running for VP. She had realized it was wasteful and unneeded. Better to come around late than never. Obama and Biden meanwhile voted for the Bridge to Nowhere and against a bill which would have shifted the funding to Katrina relief and New Orleans reconstruction.
http://cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/obama-and-biden-voted-for-bridge-to-nowhere,1628/
What happened to the money set aside for the bridge? Did Alaska give it back so that it could fund more worthwhile projects somewhere else in the country?
Quote from: thelakelander on September 18, 2008, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 02:05:25 PM
Fact checking your "fact checking":
Quote from: will on September 18, 2008, 08:53:05 AM
Some fact checking on Palin's claims:
"I told Congress thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere."
---note true. She actually lobbied for it, but eventually was against once it became a symbol of pork. She still kept the money, ear-marked for the project and used it on other spending projects.
Palin initially supported the project but Palin killed it in 2007 long before she was running for VP. She had realized it was wasteful and unneeded. Better to come around late than never. Obama and Biden meanwhile voted for the Bridge to Nowhere and against a bill which would have shifted the funding to Katrina relief and New Orleans reconstruction.
http://cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/obama-and-biden-voted-for-bridge-to-nowhere,1628/
What happened to the money set aside for the bridge? Did Alaska give it back so that it could fund more worthwhile projects somewhere else in the country?
nope...Alaska kept $200 million and is using it for other things...including still building the road that would have led to the bridge but no just dead ends!
The chef, Stefani Marnon was first reassigned as a "constituent relations assistant" in the governor's office and later to the state museum.
How interesting that on a thread about Obama's visit to Jax, there is more interest about discussing Governor Palin.
its almost like a joint McCain-Palin event...when people start leaving when she stops talking!
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: tashi on September 18, 2008, 12:44:38 AM
QuoteAs quoted by RiversideGator
"Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure not to go downtown that day. Hopefully the Obama supporters wont leave too much litter in front of my building."
I think that is so funny! We do lots of neighborhood cleanups and we have invited both McCain's campaign and Obama's campaign to help get our community clean. Guess who is always willing to help with the community and pick up litter? OBAMA'S peeps!
I will be there, after our International Coastal Cleanup with Obama supporters!
Funny. I wonder who is more likely to litter - McCain supporters or Obama supporters? I think the answer is pretty obvious (Obama people).
RiversideGator, could you please explain your comment? Some evidence? I just don't understand what you mean.
Treehuggers are a small percentage of the Obama constituency. The more downscale supporters of Obama are decidedly more likely to litter. Drive around town to confirm this.
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: tashi on September 18, 2008, 12:44:38 AM
QuoteAs quoted by RiversideGator
"Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure not to go downtown that day. Hopefully the Obama supporters wont leave too much litter in front of my building."
I think that is so funny! We do lots of neighborhood cleanups and we have invited both McCain's campaign and Obama's campaign to help get our community clean. Guess who is always willing to help with the community and pick up litter? OBAMA'S peeps!
I will be there, after our International Coastal Cleanup with Obama supporters!
Funny. I wonder who is more likely to litter - McCain supporters or Obama supporters? I think the answer is pretty obvious (Obama people).
If the answer is so obvious, why did you feel the need to tell us the answer?
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 06:19:38 PM
Treehuggers are a small percentage of the Obama constituency. The more downscale supporters of Obama are decidedly more likely to litter. Drive around town to confirm this.
Seriously? You really want to stereotype?
So you are saying Obama supporters are nothing more than a bunch of downtrodden, sloppy poor people who are incapable of attending a political rally without throwing their trash all over the parks and streets before going home.
I guess you may be right. Republican supporters have the advantage of neatly putting away their trash in their homes before driving away in them after a rally.
Poor urban neighborhoods are just as trashy as poor suburban neighborhoods. Unfortunately, most republicans only think they are wealthy and thus they vote against their economic interests. I have been to poor rural neighborhoods and I have sen the political yard signs that litter thier yards. I also have seen the piles of trash, junk, old beat up cars, and large pick-up trucks that also litter their yards.
You may think everyone in your party is just as well-healed, neat and orderly as yourself, but unfortunately they are not.
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 06:19:38 PM
Treehuggers are a small percentage of the Obama constituency. The more downscale supporters of Obama are decidedly more likely to litter. Drive around town to confirm this.
vs.
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 17, 2008, 11:46:14 PM
It isnt about money or family pedigree. An elitist in this context is one who has a sense of superiority, one who believes that he is a member of the anointed class chosen by God to lead the uneducated and prejudiced rabble into the imagined paradise of the Left's vision of America. They dislike traditional America and look down on normal Americans. Read the left wing blogs for many many good examples of the Left's disdain for the common man.
Quote from: chipwich on September 18, 2008, 08:16:45 PM
You may think everyone in your party is just as well-healed, neat and orderly as yourself, but unfortunately they are not.
and YOU may think that everyone in your party votes for your party's candidate because they feel he is actually the best candidate, but unfortunately, this is not true either.
Doesn't this fly both ways? More reason to destroy the two party system we have set up.
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 06:19:38 PM
Treehuggers are a small percentage of the Obama constituency. The more downscale supporters of Obama are decidedly more likely to litter. Drive around town to confirm this.
now who is playing class warfare?
Quote from: thelakelander on September 18, 2008, 09:48:54 PM
Doesn't this fly both ways? More reason to destroy the two party system we have set up.
Amen to that!!! But then politicians would have to stop being puppets and actually become independent thinkers. Unfortunately it probably isn't going to happen.
Quote from: Driven1 on September 18, 2008, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: chipwich on September 18, 2008, 08:16:45 PM
You may think everyone in your party is just as well-healed, neat and orderly as yourself, but unfortunately they are not.
and YOU may think that everyone in your party votes for your party's candidate because they feel he is actually the best candidate, but unfortunately, this is not true either.
I'm actually an independent so I don't have any expectations from anyone. But you raise a very very good point. There are people on both sides who will act like sheep and vote in line with their party regardless of their candidate's strengths, stances, or PTA experience.
Because even the obvious is lost on some. ;)
Quote from: chipwich on September 18, 2008, 10:56:01 PMThere are people on both sides who will act like sheep and vote in line with their party regardless of their candidate's strengths, stances, or PTA experience.
or lackthereof PTA experience (hint: Biden has ZERO PTA experience while Palin was President of her PTA!!!!). so, if we're comparing apples to apples, who stands head and shoulders above who now?
touché good sir
Quote from: Lunican on September 18, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 06:19:38 PM
Treehuggers are a small percentage of the Obama constituency. The more downscale supporters of Obama are decidedly more likely to litter. Drive around town to confirm this.
vs.
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 17, 2008, 11:46:14 PM
It isnt about money or family pedigree. An elitist in this context is one who has a sense of superiority, one who believes that he is a member of the anointed class chosen by God to lead the uneducated and prejudiced rabble into the imagined paradise of the Left's vision of America. They dislike traditional America and look down on normal Americans. Read the left wing blogs for many many good examples of the Left's disdain for the common man.
Sorry but it isnt being elitist to expect people not to litter. :D
Quote from: thelakelander on September 18, 2008, 09:48:54 PM
Doesn't this fly both ways? More reason to destroy the two party system we have set up.
To be replaced by two new parties.
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 18, 2008, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 06:19:38 PM
Treehuggers are a small percentage of the Obama constituency. The more downscale supporters of Obama are decidedly more likely to litter. Drive around town to confirm this.
now who is playing class warfare?
Littering is not a matter of income but of respect for the law and your fellow man.
Sorry fellas but you cant tar me with the elitist brush. To paraphrase William F. Buckley, I would rather the country be governed by the first 100 names in the Jacksonville phone book than by the Democrat "leadership" in Congress. I respect the common man and his decisions and I want to leave him alone to make them.
I am going to try to make it back from Orlando to attend.
I won't litter.
Please define your meaning of "downscale"
Do you mean morally or economically?
I know alot of rich people who throw garbage around because they feel entitled to do so. I have also seen poor people do it for the same reason. Both think they are owed the right to trash what they want; one because they feel they pay enough taxes to do so and the other because they feel their country has let them down. Both sets are apathetic and selfish.
I find it difficult to point to one particular group of people and call them out. You say it's obvious, I implore you to drive down Beach Blvd. and see if you can identify the party logos on the cigarettes, soda cans, fast food wrappers and other trash that litters the road. I am also willing to bet that crap was thrown from BMWs as well as Kias and everything in-between.
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 11:52:14 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on September 18, 2008, 09:48:54 PM
Doesn't this fly both ways? More reason to destroy the two party system we have set up.
To be replaced by two new parties.
No, that would not change anything.
Quote from: Driven1 on September 17, 2008, 11:34:33 PM
Quote from: blizz01 on September 17, 2008, 11:32:31 PM
Not sure that it's a fair comparison when you consider Mr. McCain's was on a working Monday morning stopover that was originally expected to be a smaller scale "pancake breakfast" that had enough of a response rate to shift over to the arena. Mr. Obama's rally, however, should provide a better venue in terms of timing & location. As a "centrist", I attended Monday's & plan on attending Saturday's too. What's crazy is that I anticipate Mrs. Palin's planned October visit to possibly draw more than either - go figure.......
good points.
Then that was POOR PLANNING on McCain's part; probably indicative of how his presidency would go. Obama possibly took into account people being at work, Monday not being a good day for most (working people and others), and other intangibles relative to holding the rally during the weekday versus the weekend. I also hope that there is a good turnout.
Heights Unknown
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 17, 2008, 11:38:02 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on September 17, 2008, 09:05:41 PM
QuoteThe Times-Union
Metropolitan Park will be the site for a rally Saturday by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Gates will open at the Gator Bowl Boulevard recreational area at 12:30 p.m. and Obama will speak at 2:30 p.m., according to organizers.
The event is free but space is limited and reservations are being encouraged. Reservations can be made at fl.barackobama.com/jacksonvillechange.
Obama’s visit to Jacksonville will be his first since June, when the Democratic presidential candidate spoke at a fundraiser.
His visit follows a recent campaign stop from Republican candidate John McCain, who was in town Monday.
http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/09/17/metropolitan-park-to-host-saturday-rally-by-barack-obama/
Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure not to go downtown that day. Hopefully the Obama supporters wont leave too much litter in front of my building.
Obviously a "Yankee" and obviously a McCain supporter; "sour grapes?"
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: tashi on September 18, 2008, 12:44:38 AM
QuoteAs quoted by RiversideGator
"Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure not to go downtown that day. Hopefully the Obama supporters wont leave too much litter in front of my building."
I think that is so funny! We do lots of neighborhood cleanups and we have invited both McCain's campaign and Obama's campaign to help get our community clean. Guess who is always willing to help with the community and pick up litter? OBAMA'S peeps!
I will be there, after our International Coastal Cleanup with Obama supporters!
Funny. I wonder who is more likely to litter - McCain supporters or Obama supporters? I think the answer is pretty obvious (Obama people).
(Bordering on racism?)...what do you mean?
Heights Unknown
I'll be there with my 2 year old son. I'll make sure he doesn't litter.
Actually I hope you all have a good time... I may be on the other side of the aisle but a rally at Metro park sounds like a lot more fun than inside the coliseum...
It should be a pretty good party...!
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 11:52:59 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 18, 2008, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 18, 2008, 06:19:38 PM
Treehuggers are a small percentage of the Obama constituency. The more downscale supporters of Obama are decidedly more likely to litter. Drive around town to confirm this.
now who is playing class warfare?
Littering is not a matter of income but of respect for the law and your fellow man.
Sorry fellas but you cant tar me with the elitist brush. To paraphrase William F. Buckley, I would rather the country be governed by the first 100 names in the Jacksonville phone book than by the Democrat "leadership" in Congress. I respect the common man and his decisions and I want to leave him alone to make them.
you used the term "downscale"
On a development note...
I hope COJ would take better advantage of this opportunity to show off the city. They missed great opportunities with the McCain visit and American Idol.
Quote from: JaxByDefault on September 19, 2008, 09:51:18 AM
On a development note...
I hope COJ would take better advantage of this opportunity to show off the city. They missed great opportunities with the McCain visit and American Idol.
They should have kept the McCain rally at the fairgrounds. It could have showcased our pancakes.
Fitting that with long-standing financial institutions failing left and right, food and gas prices soaring, a catastrophic bailout to the tune of well over a trillion dollars ready to come out of taxpayer funds, two wars with no end in site (three if you count our move into Pakistan), military options "always on the table" for another, and a class of super elite multinational corporations and central banks absolutely pillaging and raping the American middle class into the ground, the argument here is about personal chefs, and whether a jet was sold on ebay, and who served more time in the PTA, and which candidate's supporters litter the most, and how the bridge to nowhere was handled, etc.
Not bashing anyone, and it's what you hear on the streets too thanks to the mainstream media pushing all this bullshit in lieu of real issues, but with so much on the line and America near or at an all-time low when you combine the state of the economy, long-term outlook, and world standing, it's just heart breaking to see this election being shifted, like 2004 and many others, away from the real issues affecting America and towards all this moralistic trite.
On a side note, I enjoyed the crap out of Sarah Palin's email getting hacked into. Just loved every second of it. Both candidates, through their endorsement of the Patriot Act and FISA, expect Americans to bend over and take whatever gross violation of personal privacy (email, library records, phone logs, text messages, financial transactions, etc) they please. I'd personally love to see each and every one of them have their email hacked and their privacy violated, just for the sake of irony. Unlike Palin though, the average American citizen doesn't have the CIA and FBI hunting down the "criminals" responsible.