National Geographic article on new findings regarding Neanderthal. Pix are pretty cool.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/10/neanderthals/hall-text
Take that First Baptist.
Great article BT, thanks for sharing. Definitely will be reading it in full on my lunch break!
Damn people... must this turn political? :'( I just thought it was an interesting article...
"We have a couple of bones", THAT MEANS:
"They ate at a McDonalds, we could tell by the unique signature of a big mac on their teeth. We know it was McDonalds, because the children were found several yards away, so they would have gone to the McPlaygound, The larger one was up on the playgound when the cave fell in. The small one was looking for his Nike's, now we KNOW this because the mother died while signing "shoe" in the international sign language. The father was a heavy drinker of Tea because his teeth were stained. He suffered from bad breath because we found garlic in the scat, and so far there is no evidence to suggest he was using Garlique tablets. They were all 5' 5" tall, (at least the 4 we found are) and they all loved Sonnys BBQ...."
"Of course we now are sure they had language like us, and had moden tools (except for those who's hobby was collecting early tools), but they are unique to the population of humans. As different as a football linebacker and a jockey. Maybe as different as Chinese are from Norsmen, or Finlanders from Amazon tribes. We know, we know, we know? More of that Roswell Crap..."
That Bible at first Baptist or First anything else says, "Thinking themselves to be wise they bacame as fools..."
Now THAT is something I can believe!
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 16, 2008, 02:07:58 PM
"We have a couple of bones", THAT MEANS:
"They ate at a McDonalds, we could tell by the unique signature of a big mac on their teeth. We know it was McDonalds, because the children were found several yards away, so they would have gone to the McPlaygound, The larger one was up on the playgound when the cave fell in. The small one was looking for his Nike's, now we KNOW this because the mother died while signing "shoe" in the international sign language. The father was a heavy drinker of Tea because his teeth were stained. He suffered from bad breath because we found garlic in the scat, and so far there is no evidence to suggest he was using Garlique tablets. They were all 5' 5" tall, (at least the 4 we found are) and they all loved Sonnys BBQ...."
"Of course we now are sure they had language like us, and had moden tools (except for those who's hobby was collecting early tools), but they are unique to the population of humans. As different as a football linebacker and a jockey. Maybe as different as Chinese are from Norsmen, or Finlanders from Amazon tribes. We know, we know, we know? More of that Roswell Crap..."
That Bible at first Baptist or First anything else says, "Thinking themselves to be wise they bacame as fools..."
Now THAT is something I can believe!
OCKLAWAHA
Or... stick your fingers in your ears and yell...blahblahblahblahblahblahblah
How does this nullify the Bible? ???
QuoteOr... stick your fingers in your ears and yell...blahblahblahblahblahblahblah
I'd really rather not, I enjoy the stuff NGS comes up with - even for Darwin himself, this wasn't THE answer only a possible answer in a million possibilities, and he said so. WE are the idiots that made a theory into a "fact". I have no trouble believing some of it, if you met my neighbor you'd be convinced (as I am) that some of us DID evolve from fish... He more of a bottom dweller, certainly not great ape stuff. In fact if you were to say Dave (oops, no names here) came from an ape-like creature, Big Foot would lay down his laptop and come kick your butt!
Theorys are theorys, no more no less.
Compatriot Riverside Gator, I agree with you, I don't see anywhere in The Good Book where God said he did it in step A., B., C., etc... Just says HE DID IT, not how. The odds of some great cosmic error, are too great, in fact Roswell will get you MUCH better odds. OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 16, 2008, 02:57:11 PM
QuoteThe odds of some great cosmic error, are too great, in fact Roswell will get you MUCH better odds.
The odds are also pretty remote that there would exist an eternal all-powerful being like God. Seems a lot easier to make a few galaxies, governed by a limited set of physical laws, than to create an unlimited being ex nihilo.
Even IF (a huge stretch) all of the parts came together for the cosmic bang of life, still don't buy it without a guiding light. To wit:
Take the most simple mechanical watch ever made, break it down to it's parts, springs, screws, frame, case, lens, hands, etc... Put them in a small box, (again I'm giving you the box, no universe size space here) and tumble through space. It can be said with complete assurance that it will NEVER, EVER, EVER, become a working watch again. So even with machine perfect parts in place it's a no go.
Now please understand that I'm NOT playing God here. I believe there is a GOD, it is up to you as a individual to believe or not to believe. It's okay by me, we can still be friends, go to parties, have discussions etc. I'm not here to prove you wrong, or to say that God had to "CREATE" the universe in such-n-such a way. It does amuse me that most non-believers, have no trouble watching Space Sci-Fi - distant civilizations, creatures, "things" etc... without a hitch then turn on a dime and say "God? No way man!" Oddly seems that an brilliant God with a plan for his creation, is so much better then the "Purple People Eaters of Sci-Fi." But whatever lights your fire, just remember when you get to the final hotel room, all dressed up and no-where to go, don't say I didn't warn you.
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: will on September 16, 2008, 03:15:26 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 16, 2008, 02:57:11 PM
QuoteThe odds of some great cosmic error, are too great, in fact Roswell will get you MUCH better odds.
The odds are also pretty remote that there would exist an eternal all-powerful being like God. Seems a lot easier to make a few galaxies, governed by a limited set of physical laws, than to create an unlimited being ex nihilo.
I am afraid this is above your pay grade, will. ;)
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 16, 2008, 05:40:46 PM
Even IF (a huge stretch) all of the parts came together for the cosmic bang of life, still don't buy it without a guiding light. To wit:
Take the most simple mechanical watch ever made, break it down to it's parts, springs, screws, frame, case, lens, hands, etc... Put them in a small box, (again I'm giving you the box, no universe size space here) and tumble through space. It can be said with complete assurance that it will NEVER, EVER, EVER, become a working watch again. So even with machine perfect parts in place it's a no go.
Now please understand that I'm NOT playing God here. I believe there is a GOD, it is up to you as a individual to believe or not to believe. It's okay by me, we can still be friends, go to parties, have discussions etc. I'm not here to prove you wrong, or to say that God had to "CREATE" the universe in such-n-such a way. It does amuse me that most non-believers, have no trouble watching Space Sci-Fi - distant civilizations, creatures, "things" etc... without a hitch then turn on a dime and say "God? No way man!" Oddly seems that an brilliant God with a plan for his creation, is so much better the "Purple People Eaters of Sci-Fi." But whatever lights your fire, just remember when you get to the final hotel room, all dressed up and no-where to go, don't say I didn't warn you.
OCKLAWAHA
I agree with you, Ock. I also know people (perfectly rational people) who have had supernatural experiences which tend to indicate the existence of God and life after death. Looking at all the evidence, I find it far more likely that God exists than not.
BTW, your analogy reminds me of the theory that if you put a bunch of monkeys in a room typing randomly on typewriters they would eventually by random chance produce the complete works of Shakespeare. That could be true but it seems to me that the most logical answer is a Supreme Being. See also Occam's Razor.
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 16, 2008, 11:22:51 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 16, 2008, 05:40:46 PM
Even IF (a huge stretch) all of the parts came together for the cosmic bang of life, still don't buy it without a guiding light. To wit:
Take the most simple mechanical watch ever made, break it down to it's parts, springs, screws, frame, case, lens, hands, etc... Put them in a small box, (again I'm giving you the box, no universe size space here) and tumble through space. It can be said with complete assurance that it will NEVER, EVER, EVER, become a working watch again. So even with machine perfect parts in place it's a no go.
Now please understand that I'm NOT playing God here. I believe there is a GOD, it is up to you as a individual to believe or not to believe. It's okay by me, we can still be friends, go to parties, have discussions etc. I'm not here to prove you wrong, or to say that God had to "CREATE" the universe in such-n-such a way. It does amuse me that most non-believers, have no trouble watching Space Sci-Fi - distant civilizations, creatures, "things" etc... without a hitch then turn on a dime and say "God? No way man!" Oddly seems that an brilliant God with a plan for his creation, is so much better the "Purple People Eaters of Sci-Fi." But whatever lights your fire, just remember when you get to the final hotel room, all dressed up and no-where to go, don't say I didn't warn you.
OCKLAWAHA
I agree with you, Ock. I also know people (perfectly rational people) who have had supernatural experiences which tend to indicate the existence of God and life after death. Looking at all the evidence, I find it far more likely that God exists than not.
having been dead and brought back, I can state that in my experience there was no white light, no indication of any kind of after life, maybe there's no fanfare when you are off to hell.
please to not take this as an attack on your or anyone else's beliefs, it is just my recollection of my experiences
Who said anything about near death experiences?
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 17, 2008, 12:15:32 AM
Who said anything about near death experiences?
who said near death?
Quote from: apvbguy on September 17, 2008, 01:01:06 AM
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 17, 2008, 12:15:32 AM
Who said anything about near death experiences?
who said near death?
You did:
Quote from: apvbguy on September 16, 2008, 11:48:22 PM
having been dead and brought back, I can state that in my experience there was no white light, no indication of any kind of after life, maybe there's no fanfare when you are off to hell.
please to not take this as an attack on your or anyone else's beliefs, it is just my recollection of my experiences
This is commonly referred to as a near death experience. Had you actually died, you would not be typing on your keyboard right now.
LOL @ Bridgetroll, you crack me up
Glad I could help... :)
Did anyone notice that they were able to extract DNA from some of the bones and teeth found? :o
I say, LETS GET TO CLONING THAT SUCKER!!!!!!!
Quote from: jacksonvilleconfidential on September 17, 2008, 12:15:48 PM
I say, LETS GET TO CLONING THAT SUCKER!!!!!!!
Im betting that most never read the article... ::)
i did, i swear.
Quote from: stephendare on September 17, 2008, 12:19:13 PM
Having read the entire neanderthaler piece, I can only say that it would verify and confirm any concept I have of a supreme being.
Even in the book of Genesis, there are references to the daughters and sons of men in the valley that were unrelated to the Eve and Adam bloodline.
This has always been trotted out in defence of the apparent scriptural prescription for incest, were Adam and Eve the only beings created on Earth.
Its mostly untaught and no longer recognized despite the clarity of the reference for obvious reasons. Every tribe and race of human in the judeo christian moslem world would be claiming sole rights of descent.
In any case, Ive always thought that the little hairless monkeys with their ridiculous constraints and rules by which they expect their creator to be bound----with absolutely no record of the creator agreeing to them to be a little obnoxious.
If God wants to screw around with different species for a few hundred thousand years of molding dna, then who in the hell are we to gainsay the prerogatives of the creator?
This, incidentally is the reasoning which caused the Pope to see no conflict between science and faith.
I think a creator of the universe should have the leisure to do things as they bloody well please.
I agree Stephen. What kills me is that this article was never meant to indict any belief system or start a political argument.
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 17, 2008, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: apvbguy on September 17, 2008, 01:01:06 AM
Quote from: RiversideGator on September 17, 2008, 12:15:32 AM
Who said anything about near death experiences?
who said near death?
You did:
Quote from: apvbguy on September 16, 2008, 11:48:22 PM
having been dead and brought back, I can state that in my experience there was no white light, no indication of any kind of after life, maybe there's no fanfare when you are off to hell.
please to not take this as an attack on your or anyone else's beliefs, it is just my recollection of my experiences
This is commonly referred to as a near death experience. Had you actually died, you would not be typing on your keyboard right now.
that is not for me to say, but a blood pressure around zero, unconscious is not a good place to be. call it what you like and I said I wasn't challenging anyone's beliefs or theories, just relating my experience.
Quote from: stephendare on September 17, 2008, 12:23:05 PM
Bridge Troll, thank you for posting it, and don't despair about people having read the peice. There are thousands of readers who never sign up and content themselves with simply reading the posts.
The jawbone of an ass ratio jumps exponentially amongst the actual posters, Ive found (and been responsible for sadly)
i was so galvanized by the advanced forensic science represented in the piece (especially the whole treatise on the importance of teeth) that I purchased and read a rather excellent book yesterday on the subject.
The newly released third edition of the Introduction to Forensic Anthropology by Steven N. Byers.
Brilliant treatise, simply brilliant.
My guess is that you must be an engineer or applied sciences guy of some sort??
Computer networks... boring... :)
Quote from: stephendare on September 17, 2008, 12:28:12 PM
btw, apvbguy, I love your new avatar footer. Im absolutely certain that even liberals would be confused were they to find you in posession of something so unexpected as facts. I know that I, a veritable paragon of conservative virtue, would be shocked into a near death experience myself by such an unlikely event.
if this was a real world all I'd do is shake my head and walk away, one fry short of a happy meal
BT, I read the article when you first posted it and thoroughly enjoyed it. Its absolutely amazing what can be deduced by conducting simple tests (carbon dating) and examining ancient bones.
nah, its all in jest. You see what I started, right.
Im known around these part as....The Instigator
;)
Quote from: stephendare on September 17, 2008, 12:28:12 PM
btw, apvbguy, I love your new avatar footer. Im absolutely certain that even liberals would be confused were they to find you in posession of something so unexpected as facts. I know that I, a veritable paragon of conservative virtue, would be shocked into a near death experience myself by such an unlikely event.
An example of the new spirit of civility?
Quote from: jacksonvilleconfidential on September 17, 2008, 02:48:48 PM
nah, its all in jest. You see what I started, right.
Im known around these part as....The Instigator
;)
The Instigator...(http://s.ngm.com/2008/10/neanderthals/img/neanderthal-615.jpg)
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 17, 2008, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: jacksonvilleconfidential on September 17, 2008, 02:48:48 PM
nah, its all in jest. You see what I started, right.
Im known around these part as....The Instigator
;)
The Instigator...
(http://s.ngm.com/2008/10/neanderthals/img/neanderthal-615.jpg)
The scary part is that is a woman! AHHHH!!!!!
Quote from: Jason on September 17, 2008, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 17, 2008, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: jacksonvilleconfidential on September 17, 2008, 02:48:48 PM
nah, its all in jest. You see what I started, right.
Im known around these part as....The Instigator
;)
The Instigator...
(http://s.ngm.com/2008/10/neanderthals/img/neanderthal-615.jpg)
The scary part is that is a woman! AHHHH!!!!!
I think i saw her begging for money in Riverside today.
LOL, im not a neanderthal nor am i a WOMAN.
QuoteThe scary part is that is a woman! AHHHH!!!!!
And these Neanderthals claim there is no night-life in Jacksonville! HA! This woman is an obvious case of spending far too many hours at "THE PICKLED PLESIOSUAR", across from Florida Rock Industiries.OCKLAWAHA
We actually used to have a maid in our building who looked like an older version of the Neanderthal woman.