(http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Angry-Orangutan-961.jpg)
"Highways, NOT TRANSIT, don't you get it? Automobiles! I refuse to look at public transit ideas..."
Here are the results for the 10 day poll on HIGHWAY transit vehicles, based on a basic downtown shuttle type system, with the opportunity for certain other special case routes left open for study. Meaning, while this poll was talking mostly about downtown, it didn't rule out a special bus at Town Center, or between the 3 Southside shopping meccas etc... It did NOT include commuter rail or streetcar, and it did not include our regular mainline diesel bus fleet. This is the result of a poll that should tell us what you had rather ride around the downtown or the office park. Guess what JTA? It wasn't a Potato-Chip-Truck!
DIESEL JTA TROLLEY 3 (14.3%)
ELECTRIC VINTAGE BUS 3 (14.3%)
DIESEL POTATO CHIP TRUCK 0 (0%)
ELECTRIC MODERN BUS 4 (19%)
ELECTRIC TROLLEY BUS 11 (52.4%)
(http://rogersradiointernet.com/BC/CKWX/images/2007/transit%20trolley%20bus.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/jcwinni/800px-Trolleybus4120.jpg)
THE WINNING STYLE GETS SOME FAMILY PHOTOS...
OCKLAWAHA
Which are the three Southside shopping meccas? And I think you've just offended orangutans across the world.
It didn't take the highway lobby boys long to respond to the post on mass transit. They left me an audio disk last night which I now pass on to y'all.
I just don't understand these guys.
http://soundboard.com/sb/orangutan_sounds.aspx (http://soundboard.com/sb/orangutan_sounds.aspx)
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 11, 2008, 08:51:21 AM
It didn't take the highway lobby boys long to respond to the post on mass transit. They left me an audio disk last night which I now pass on to y'all.
I just don't understand these guys.
http://soundboard.com/sb/orangutan_sounds.aspx (http://soundboard.com/sb/orangutan_sounds.aspx)
OCKLAWAHA
I am not going to listen to that link, if you have to resort to jv tactics like the orangutan to make your point, it is point that will not be perceived to be of any value.
You transit geeks have got to stop trying to demonize those who aren't on the dame page as you are
"What a Pisser..."QuoteI am not going to listen to that link, if you have to resort to jv tactics like the orangutan to make your point, it is point that will not be perceived to be of any value.
You transit geeks have got to stop trying to demonize those who aren't on the dame page as you are
I would hardly call an orangutan a demon, in fact, I find them fascinating creations. Leaving the inner workings of their minds to the scientific community, it is hard to justify the fact that they travel alone. Their survival would be much more assured is they were willing to bunch up, as Chimps and Humans do.
The point of the post is that Jacksonville citizens have a solid opinion on the type of bus system they would like to see in the urban core, or other specialty dense routes. Your own lack of perception of a light hearted delivery as jv, is exceeded only by your sense of humor. You will never be forced to ride the MJ bus, you could always piggyback with the great red haired primate.
Smile sometimes, it's good for your heart! OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 11, 2008, 11:16:28 AM
"What a Pisser..."
QuoteI am not going to listen to that link, if you have to resort to jv tactics like the orangutan to make your point, it is point that will not be perceived to be of any value.
You transit geeks have got to stop trying to demonize those who aren't on the dame page as you are
I would hardly call an orangutan a demon, in fact, I find them fascinating creations. Leaving the inner workings of their minds to the scientific community, it is hard to justify the fact that they travel alone. Their survival would be much more assured is they were willing to bunch up, as Chimps and Humans do.
The point of the post is that Jacksonville citizens have a solid opinion on the type of bus system they would like to see in the urban core, or other specialty dense routes. Your own lack of perception of a light hearted delivery as jv, is exceeded only by your sense of humor. You will never be forced to ride the MJ bus, you could always piggyback with the great red haired primate.
Smile sometimes, it's good for your heart!
OCKLAWAHA
nice try but just like obama didn't mean anything by the pig comment, your using a primate to represent auto users is insulting and sophomoric, the transit advocates and the urban pioneers need to learn to be less confrontational and learn how to work with EVERYONE to further their dreams of decent mass transit in JAX
QuoteThe point of the post is that Jacksonville citizens have a solid opinion on the type of bus system they would like to see in the urban core, or other specialty dense routes.
Actually, this post does not represent the opinion of all Jacksonville citizens, it represents the opinion of readers of the Metro Jacksonville website.
Quote from: cline on September 11, 2008, 02:13:16 PM
QuoteThe point of the post is that Jacksonville citizens have a solid opinion on the type of bus system they would like to see in the urban core, or other specialty dense routes.
Actually, this post does not represent the opinion of all Jacksonville citizens, it represents the opinion of readers of the Metro Jacksonville website.
ah, a fresh and rational voice, welcome
QuoteWhich are the three Southside shopping meccas? And I think you've just offended orangutans across the world.
Thinking along the line of Regency-Town Center-Avenues/Avenues Walk, 3 huge destinations more or less in a row. Some sort of shopping connector on a fixed route might really draw the ridership.
Yeah, I know about those orangutans, I feel sorry for them already. Based on the lack of humor some have displayed here, maybe "warthogs" would have been a better choice. There was once a really funny magazine called "WONDER WARTHOG". But I'm sure they wouldn't get it, just as they are completely missing the orangutan joke. OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 11, 2008, 03:38:12 PM
QuoteWhich are the three Southside shopping meccas? And I think you've just offended orangutans across the world.
Thinking along the line of Regency-Town Center-Avenues/Avenues Walk, 3 huge destinations more or less in a row. Some sort of shopping connector on a fixed route might really draw the ridership.
Yeah, I know about those orangutans, I feel sorry for them already. Based on the lack of humor some have displayed here, maybe "warthogs" would have been a better choice. There was once a really funny magazine called "WONDER WARTHOG". But I'm sure they wouldn't get it, just as they are completely missing the orangutan joke.
OCKLAWAHA
you can try and use your cute but silly metaphors but your concepts in many cases are half baked and are not viable
Quote from: stephendare on September 11, 2008, 03:49:21 PM
Quote from: apvbguy on September 11, 2008, 03:42:25 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 11, 2008, 03:38:12 PM
QuoteWhich are the three Southside shopping meccas? And I think you've just offended orangutans across the world.
Thinking along the line of Regency-Town Center-Avenues/Avenues Walk, 3 huge destinations more or less in a row. Some sort of shopping connector on a fixed route might really draw the ridership.
Yeah, I know about those orangutans, I feel sorry for them already. Based on the lack of humor some have displayed here, maybe "warthogs" would have been a better choice. There was once a really funny magazine called "WONDER WARTHOG". But I'm sure they wouldn't get it, just as they are completely missing the orangutan joke.
OCKLAWAHA
you can try and use your cute but silly metaphors but your concepts in many cases are half baked and are not viable
Apvbeach guy. Just so that you know, Ocklawaha has written several of the actual history books that you would read on the subject of trains, and was the NATIONAL Director of Transportation for Columbia, with 40 years of national experience in transportation.
You probably could not speak to a more informed or knowledgeable person on this subject if you tried.
My guess is that none us, including yourself, have anywhere near the experience to challenge most of Bob's opinions with much chance of success.
His speaking style is colorful and interesting, but you will find that his insight into transit is rock freaking solid.
I have found that you dismiss his input only at the risk of appearing stupid.
sounds like you're having trouble being civil. I am not dismissing his ideas but I am dismissing his confrontational and sophomoric comments. Many of his schemes are way too overblown and cannot be justified and he seems to believe that there is a pot of money stashed away that will fund the capital costs ( (building things like rail lines and stations, which in the scheme of things is minimal ) and it's continued operations. history has shown that mass transit/ passenger rail cannot be operated without massive government subsidies funded through massive taxes increases in localities that have mass transit systems. The argument can be made that mass transit systems serve the public good and deserve to be funded with taxes on everyone in the region that a system serves, but again history has proven that taxes on the broad population are unpalatable so sneaky hidden taxes are used like additional fuel taxes, taxes on businesses, utility taxes, parking taxes and so on. while some of the mass transit ideas put forth here sound wonderful and could even improve things for some, little focus has been placed on how these transit plans will be paid for to be built and where the funding will come from for it's operations in the future.
hence my comments that some of his ideas are not viable and half baked.
Quoteyou can try and use your cute but silly metaphors but your concepts in many cases are half baked and are not viable
Oraungtan's not withstanding, the concept for a shopper connector is just to give the general public an idea of other dense corridors where these vehicles could be of service in the city. The electric bus would do a lot for downtown or anywhere else we took it. It's clean, quiet-almost silent, attracts TOD and TAD's, and works VERY well with BRT (Bostons Silver Line).
The idea here is the downtown PCT-Trolley things REALLY ARE just a bus, built to look like a streetcar-abortion-that-lived. They REALLY ARE built on the same frame and engine "Freightliner" as UPS, or Frito Lay trucks, and they ride like it. What do I know of the subject? I know the current "Trolley" fleet will fall apart fast and will need replacement soon. I'm trying to save us some bucks and create some development long-term, through vehicle choice.OCKLAWAHA
Ocklawaha, this is completely off topic, but I have to ask. What happens if one of these electric trolley buses has to swerve to avoid something in the road? How much slack is there in the overhead wire?
QuoteOcklawaha, this is completely off topic, but I have to ask. What happens if one of these electric trolley buses has to swerve to avoid something in the road? How much slack is there in the overhead wire?
FIGHTING OSPREY, Not off the subject at all... In fact it's been hijacked!! It WUZ about our choice of trolley buses, LOL.
Your question is a common but very good one, Trolley buses have twin "trolley poles" for the reason that one cannot ground a system through a rubber tire. So the bus will always have twin wires until the day that solar or battery can take command. Because of this, and a streetcars absolute fixed route, the trolley bus folks figured long ago that they would be somewhere between bus and streetcar in ridership. To compliment the streetcars doing the heavy work, the buses had to run on time. To address this on smaller local streets they had to come up with a system for the swerve or passing another car. The twin trolley poles are very long, and extend on a pivot. The electric trolley bus can swing (in a near lane) right around the stalled car, UPS truck or crime scene. Not a problem.
(http://greenedmonton.ca/files/images/edmonton-trolley-bus.img_assist_custom.JPG)
Take a close look at this trolley bus at the CURB in Edmondton. It is no where near the main wires, but has moved into another lane to pick up passengers. Likewise, it CAN pass.
Allow me to add that the reason you would not want ALL trolley bus when we could have streetcar AND trolley bus is that streetcar can be built to handle future LRT needs. MUCH bigger vehicles and able to entrain with more then one car - per driver. Also the life span on electrics is better then Diesel, BUT, buses are buses and still have the wear and tear time limits that rail doesn't share. So you build rail on the projected heavy routes, and trolley bus on the dense feeders downtown. The Skyway plays the role as our MAINLINE (yes folks I said that, over the streetcars) it can handle the future "SUBWAY" role for Jacksonville. Hope this helps and welcome to the discussion. OCKLAWAHA
maybe this is the wrong thread for this but here's something I found today:
Survey: Parking is top lure for visitors to AC
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS • September 11, 2008
ATLANTIC CITY â€" What's the main reason people go to Atlantic City? Hint: it's not gambling.
A new survey by the Atlantic City Convention and Visitors Authority finds gambling ranks seventh on a list of why people choose to come to the resort.
Easy parking topped the list, followed by the convenience of getting to Atlantic City; the ease of getting around within the city; dining options; hotel room availability, and the beach and Boardwalk.
Jeff Vasser, the authority's president, says the yearlong survey of more than 3,000
visitors validates Atlantic City's efforts to transform itself into a destination resort where gambling is only one of the attractions.
Visitors to the resort declined last year to 33 million from 34 million in 2006.
Maybe JAX should look to see what AC is doing right regarding parking, in addition AC has a great jitney system and the equipment used is nothing more than gussied up bread trucks.
Google AC Jitneys for more info
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 11, 2008, 07:30:20 PM
QuoteOcklawaha, this is completely off topic, but I have to ask. What happens if one of these electric trolley buses has to swerve to avoid something in the road? How much slack is there in the overhead wire?
FIGHTING OSPREY, Not off the subject at all... In fact it's been hijacked!! It WUZ about our choice of trolley buses, LOL.
Your question is a common but very good one, Trolley buses have twin "trolley poles" for the reason that one cannot ground a system through a rubber tire. So the bus will always have twin wires until the day that solar or battery can take command. Because of this, and a streetcars absolute fixed route, the trolley bus folks figured long ago that they would be somewhere between bus and streetcar in ridership. To compliment the streetcars doing the heavy work, the buses had to run on time. To address this on smaller local streets they had to come up with a system for the swerve or passing another car. The twin trolley poles are very long, and extend on a pivot. The electric trolley bus can swing (in a near lane) right around the stalled car, UPS truck or crime scene. Not a problem.
Allow me to add that the reason you would not want ALL trolley bus when we could have streetcar AND trolley bus is that streetcar can be built to handle future LRT needs. MUCH bigger vehicles and able to entrain with more then one car - per driver. Also the life span on electrics is better then Diesel, BUT, buses are buses and still have the wear and tear time limits that rail doesn't share. So you build rail on the projected heavy routes, and trolley bus on the dense feeders downtown. The Skyway plays the role as our MAINLINE (yes folks I said that, over the streetcars) it can handle the future "SUBWAY" role for Jacksonville. Hope this helps and welcome to the discussion.
OCKLAWAHA
How many cities currently have these in operation? I've never seen any
In North America transit was the victim of a conspiracy sometimes called the "Transit Holocaust" or "Streetcar Holocaust." The companies involved were later convicted in court for dismantling about 70 of the prime electric streetcar and interurban systems in the country. In fact Jacksonville was perhaps victim number one! Ours was bought out, after gifts to the political forces, and a promise of "the only GM distribution center of it's kind". (a lie). Thus Motor Transit took control, and MT was owned by National City Lines, which was owned by GM, Firestone, Standard Oil and Phillips. So while streetcars were well rooted, the trolley bus was a fairly new concept. One that GM or the other automakers had little interest in pushing. So unique to our continent, Trolley Bus Systems, could be counted on two hands. HOWEVER, go out of the USA and they are very common as backup transit for the mainlines. All over the EU, and in SA as well. There are at least two big builders in our country that export the coaches around the world. Notable here are, Toronto, Vancouver, Boston, Dayton, San Francisco, Seattle.
The same coaches JTA just bought, are also available from Gillig in Trolley form.
OCKLAWAHA
Finally an answer we can agree on!Quotemaybe this is the wrong thread for this but here's something I found today:
Survey: Parking is top lure for visitors to AC
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS • September 11, 2008
ATLANTIC CITY â€" What's the main reason people go to Atlantic City? Hint: it's not gambling.
A new survey by the Atlantic City Convention and Visitors Authority finds gambling ranks seventh on a list of why people choose to come to the resort.
Easy parking topped the list, followed by the convenience of getting to Atlantic City; the ease of getting around within the city; dining options; hotel room availability, and the beach and Boardwalk.
Jeff Vasser, the authority's president, says the yearlong survey of more than 3,000
visitors validates Atlantic City's efforts to transform itself into a destination resort where gambling is only one of the attractions.
Visitors to the resort declined last year to 33 million from 34 million in 2006.
Maybe JAX should look to see what AC is doing right regarding parking, in addition AC has a great jitney system and the equipment used is nothing more than gussied up bread trucks.
Google AC Jitneys for more info
ATLANTIC CITY and NJ TRANSIT...
Streetcar - Planning LRT (rail currently connects near Lindenwold).
Rail - Station 3 platforms and 5 tracks
Expressway - complete system
Bus - City bus
Bus - Jittneys
Bus - Limo services
Bus - Complimentary shuttles (Casino resorts)
Ferrys - Overnight and day service to NYC
Helicopter - Commuter flights
Air - Commuter Flights
(http://www.hobokenterminal.com/grandcentral/njt/ac/njt4216.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/NJ_Transit_GP40PH-2B_4216_waits_to_pull_Train_4622.jpg/250px-NJ_Transit_GP40PH-2B_4216_waits_to_pull_Train_4622.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2160/2269267962_5df0174175.jpg)
(http://www.northeastroads.com/new_jersey001/nj-038_eb_at_us-206.jpg)
(http://static.flickr.com/33/50879430_883c180590_m.jpg)
(http://www.awzengineering.com/projec9.jpg)
(http://www.atlanticcitypartyshuttle.com/AtlanticCityBus.jpg)
(http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1/3229592-ZIP_Aviation_Plane_Helicopter_Charter_Service-Atlantic_City.gif)
(http://www.snjs.org/projects/portfolio-images/public/Atlantic-City-BusL.jpg)
RAIL RIDERSHIP ALONE last year, just to the downtown station was 1.27 Million.
So AGREED, WE SHOULD AT LEAST DO WHAT ATLANTIC CITY HAS DONE! OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 11, 2008, 10:32:51 PM
Finally an answer we can agree on!
too bad you don't have your facts straight, the LRT as you call it is a heavy rail system that terminates about 40 miles from AC, there are no ferries in use that is pure fantasy, inclusion of helicopters? come on maybe a few select high rollers get to use them but that is rare, those PRIVATE shuttle buses or limos shouldn't enter into the equation they are for hire and not for the general public's use, the complete highway system is the terminus of a toll road, but there is an airport about 15 miles out of town.
I seriously doubt the numbers you gave for the rail line, are you sure those are for rides into AC, the other end of the line is used as a commuter line into Philadelphia and that is probably generating the ridership numbers, nobody commutes from AC to Philadelphia
Nice try tho, the point was that 33 million visitors drove to AC because the town has made accommodations for huge amounts of auto usage, the 1 million you claim to have arrived via trains is a tiny percentage of people.
let's see how open minded you are, I know you'll say anything to garner support for your transit schemes, I again urge you to look at their very efficient jitney system, which btw is privately operated and shuttles people around town, a jitney comes every few minutes costs were 1.50 the last time I was there and it costs the taxpayers NOTHING
Do the jitneys use roads? If so, they are subsidized by taxpayers.
Quotetoo bad you don't have your facts straight, the LRT as you call it is a heavy rail system that terminates about 40 miles from AC, there are no ferries in use that is pure fantasy, inclusion of helicopters? come on maybe a few select high rollers get to use them but that is rare, those PRIVATE shuttle buses or limos shouldn't enter into the equation they are for hire and not for the general public's use, the complete highway system is the terminus of a toll road, but there is an airport about 15 miles out of town.
I seriously doubt the numbers you gave for the rail line, are you sure those are for rides into AC, the other end of the line is used as a commuter line into Philadelphia and that is probably generating the ridership numbers, nobody commutes from AC to Philadelphia
Nice try tho, the point was that 33 million visitors drove to AC because the town has made accommodations for huge amounts of auto usage, the 1 million you claim to have arrived via trains is a tiny percentage of people.
let's see how open minded you are, I know you'll say anything to garner support for your transit schemes, I again urge you to look at their very efficient jitney system, which btw is privately operated and shuttles people around town, a jitney comes every few minutes costs were 1.50 the last time I was there and it costs the taxpayers NOTHING
Where do think the Jittneys get their funding? Some amazing profit base in Atlantic City that isn't in Florida?
Sorry Louie, "get YOUR facts straight".
The Jittneys are operated under the Community Transit Act... And the Community Transit Association... Same pot of PUBLIC GOLD that feeds similar services in Saint Johns County, Lake City or other smaller places. NJT buses and trains are the number TWO transit agency in the USA and the subsidy is HUGE. Complete highway system, yes, a freeway with interchanges that makes a Bee Line for Atlantic City and ends in a grid of paved roads. You seem to think those cars are floating above the dirt? FREE DIRT? Duh... Freeways, highways, city streets, all tax payer built and maintained. Trains, over a million and growing, The high speed line in the photos ties to the new "River Line" on the Jersey side of Philly. It will get you about 1/2 way to Atlantic City and NJT trains will take you the rest of the way into the terminal... OR you can just use the NJT trains... OR you can transfer from the River Line to NJT... OR you can transfer from Amtrak to NJT... OR... You REALLY don't think I know where the railroads are? Ferrys? YES, matter of fact... it's called transit. Helicopters "Maybe a few High Rollers use them"... Maybe so, but it's a scheduled commute from the other cities, so it's called TRANSIT. Those high rollers could drive but don't. Buses, Trucks, NJ, NYC. Maybe this pish and claptrap is just because JACKSONVILLE is not nor will ever be NEW YORK/NJ - THANK YOU "Sweet Baby Jesus" (as friend Stephen says). You know all those big rigs delivering the bread have a sticker that says this truck pays XXXXX dollars a year in road use taxes. Smoke and mirrors my man, take the total of all such trucks in the USA, x the total taxes, and you couldn't patch the potholes in the NJ Turnpike. SUBSIDY.
Atlantic City TRANSIT AGENCIES
ACJA (Atlantic City Jitney Association)
NJT (New Jersey Transit Corporation)
OTHER SITES
SJTA (South Jersey Transportation Authority) Quotelet's see how open minded you are, I know you'll say anything to garner support for your transit schemes,
Yes, I want to make millions by sucking the life blood from the taxpayers - hogwash, if I wanted to get rich quick, it sure wouldn't be in this business with my retirement! By the way, are you on these boards because you think "telling a liberal the truth" will confuse everyone in Jacksonville? If so, you are wasting our time, we have a City to guide, and it's not politics that guide it. VOICES like ours, being at meetings, giving a Damn, pro active. You can join our efforts or continue to spew spit at every post and member, the net result of which will be getting yourself bannedOCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 12, 2008, 09:12:56 AM
Where do think the Jittneys get their funding? Some amazing profit base in Atlantic City that isn't in Florida?
Sorry Louie, "get YOUR facts straight".
The Jittneys are operated under the Community Transit Act... And the Community Transit Association... Same pot of PUBLIC GOLD that feeds similar services in Saint Johns County, Lake City or other smaller places. NJT buses and trains are the number TWO transit agency in the USA and the subsidy is HUGE. Complete highway system, yes, a freeway with interchanges that makes a Bee Line for Atlantic City and ends in a grid of paved roads. You seem to think those cars are floating above the dirt? FREE DIRT? Duh... Freeways, highways, city streets, all tax payer built and maintained. Trains, over a million and growing, The high speed line in the photos ties to the new "River Line" on the Jersey side of Philly. It will get you about 1/2 way to Atlantic City and NJT trains will take you the rest of the way into the terminal... OR you can just use the NJT trains... OR you can transfer from the River Line to NJT... OR you can transfer from Amtrak to NJT... OR... You REALLY don't think I know where the railroads are? Ferrys? YES, matter of fact... it's called transit. Helicopters "Maybe a few High Rollers use them"... Maybe so, but it's a scheduled commute from the other cities, so it's called TRANSIT. Those high rollers could drive but don't. Buses, Trucks, NJ, NYC. Maybe this pish and claptrap is just because JACKSONVILLE is not nor will ever be NEW YORK/NJ - THANK YOU "Sweet Baby Jesus" (as friend Stephen says). You know all those big rigs delivering the bread have a sticker that says this truck pays XXXXX dollars a year in road use taxes. Smoke and mirrors my man, take the total of all such trucks in the USA, x the total taxes, and you couldn't patch the potholes in the NJ Turnpike. SUBSIDY.
Atlantic City TRANSIT AGENCIES
ACJA (Atlantic City Jitney Association)
NJT (New Jersey Transit Corporation)
OTHER SITES
SJTA (South Jersey Transportation Authority)
Yes, I want to make millions by sucking the life blood from the taxpayers - hogwash, if I wanted to get rich quick, it sure wouldn't be in this business with my retirement! By the way, are you on these boards because you think "telling a liberal the truth" will confuse everyone in Jacksonville? If so, you are wasting our time, we have a City to guide, and it's not politics that guide it. VOICES like ours, being at meetings, giving a Damn, pro active. You can join our efforts or continue to spew spit at every post and member, the net result of which will be getting yourself banned
No ockie, you seem to have a credibility dysfunction, the following is from the ac jitney website. www.jitneys.net/552.html and please note the part that says NON SUBSIDIZED, now why would they post info that wasn't correct? And why are you so aghast that public transport can efficiently run without GOVERNMENTAL FUNDING?
(start quote from web site)
The Atlantic City Jitney Association serves the needs of the local community as well as the millions of visitors to Atlantic City. They provide convenient, on time transportation to various points in Atlantic City.
The Association also is actively involved within the community, with such programs as the Make-A-Wish Foundation, the Red Cross, and sponsoring various events as the Atlantic City Hall of Fame which honors Atlantic City's finest citizens.
Our History
The Atlantic City Jitney Association was started in 1915. It is the longest running non-subsidized transit company in America.The term jitney is an old English term which means nickel. Around the turn of the century, many Jitney services sprang up throughout the country.When the first Jitney Buses arrived on the streets of Atlantic City in 1947 they were large, black touring cars that used a rope and pulley system to open the back doors. The latest version is a modern luxury thirteen passenger mini-bus.
Our Staff
Currently there are 190 individually owned and operated units which run reliably 24 hours a day, 365 days per year. In addition the Association runs a Bus Shuttle from the Atlantic City Train Station to the various Casinos. The Drivers of the Atlantic City Jitney Association take great pride in providing safe and affordable transportation to everyone in Atlantic City.
Board Of Directors
President - Emmanuel "Manny" Mathioudakis
Vice President - John Lafranchi
Secretary - Bruce Hunt
Treasurer - Frank Becktel
(end quote from website)
I'll respond to the rest of the hackneyed facts in the next message
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 12, 2008, 09:12:56 AM
Quotetoo bad you don't have your facts straight, the LRT as you call it is a heavy rail system that terminates about 40 miles from AC, there are no ferries in use that is pure fantasy, inclusion of helicopters? come on maybe a few select high rollers get to use them but that is rare, those PRIVATE shuttle buses or limos shouldn't enter into the equation they are for hire and not for the general public's use, the complete highway system is the terminus of a toll road, but there is an airport about 15 miles out of town.
I seriously doubt the numbers you gave for the rail line, are you sure those are for rides into AC, the other end of the line is used as a commuter line into Philadelphia and that is probably generating the ridership numbers, nobody commutes from AC to Philadelphia
Nice try tho, the point was that 33 million visitors drove to AC because the town has made accommodations for huge amounts of auto usage, the 1 million you claim to have arrived via trains is a tiny percentage of people.
let's see how open minded you are, I know you'll say anything to garner support for your transit schemes, I again urge you to look at their very efficient jitney system, which btw is privately operated and shuttles people around town, a jitney comes every few minutes costs were 1.50 the last time I was there and it costs the taxpayers NOTHING
Where do think the Jittneys get their funding? Some amazing profit base in Atlantic City that isn't in Florida?
Sorry Louie, "get YOUR facts straight".
The Jittneys are operated under the Community Transit Act... And the Community Transit Association... Same pot of PUBLIC GOLD that feeds similar services in Saint Johns County, Lake City or other smaller places. NJT buses and trains are the number TWO transit agency in the USA and the subsidy is HUGE.
you've got this right the subsidies are huge and are a reason the NJ has some of the highest taxes in the nation and the state is still on the verge of bankruptcy and businesses and people, myself included are fleeing in droves.
is high taxes for transit really the panacea you are trying to make it out to be?
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 12, 2008, 09:12:56 AM
, The high speed line in the photos ties to the new "River Line" on the Jersey side of Philly. It will get you about 1/2 way to Atlantic City and NJT trains will take you the rest of the way into the terminal... OR you can just use the NJT trains... OR you can transfer from the River Line to NJT... OR you can transfer from Amtrak to NJT... OR... You REALLY don't think I know where the railroads are?
it is apparent you don't know where THESE lines are, first the river line (light rail line that runs on shared freight tracks) runs from trenton to camden, it is a part time route and it is known as the largest multi billion + boondoogle ever conceived, it is not well used and if you're familiar with the territory is serves you'd understand why it isn't used, it is a monument to the transit at any cost advocates. there is a link to the high speed line you confused with the river line, the high speed line, know as PATCO is a heavy rail line that is a commuter line running from lindenwold nj into philadelphia, running as a subway line in philadelphia, this line is a well run but highly subsidized commuter line, AMTRAK has no lines running to AC, NJT serves the line and the line is a lightly used orphan of the NJT rail system, it is mainly a commuter line to philadelphia, some do use it to get to AC but it has a sporadic schedule and isn't very popular.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 12, 2008, 09:12:56 AM
Ferrys? YES, matter of fact... it's called transit.
THERE IS NO SCHEDULED FERRY SERVICE FROM NYC TO AC, the trip would be over 125 miles in the open waters of the atlantic, ferry service like this is another fantasy.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 12, 2008, 09:12:56 AM
Helicopters "Maybe a few High Rollers use them"... Maybe so, but it's a scheduled commute from the other cities, so it's called TRANSIT.
another trip to transit fantasy land, there are no scheduled helicopter trips to AC, it is all by charter
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 12, 2008, 09:12:56 AM
Those high rollers could drive but don't. Buses, Trucks, NJ, NYC. Maybe this pish and claptrap is just because JACKSONVILLE is not nor will ever be NEW YORK/NJ - THANK YOU "Sweet Baby Jesus" (as friend Stephen says). You know all those big rigs delivering the bread have a sticker that says this truck pays XXXXX dollars a year in road use taxes. Smoke and mirrors my man, take the total of all such trucks in the USA, x the total taxes, and you couldn't patch the potholes in the NJ Turnpike. SUBSIDY.
Yes, I want to make millions by sucking the life blood from the taxpayers - hogwash, if I wanted to get rich quick, it sure wouldn't be in this business with my retirement! By the way, are you on these boards because you think "telling a liberal the truth" will confuse everyone in Jacksonville? If so, you are wasting our time, we have a City to guide, and it's not politics that guide it. VOICES like ours, being at meetings, giving a Damn, pro active. You can join our efforts or continue to spew spit at every post and member, the net result of which will be getting yourself banned
OCKLAWAHA
what is this supposed to mean? try and stick to the facts and not this type of psycho babble
You want me banned because I disagree with your dreams and poke huge holes in your version of the facts?
now isn't squelching dissent a bit fascist? are we in china, russia? mussolini's italy? you know he did get the trains to run on time.
If you want me banned because I don't buy into the pie in the sky transit fantasies you have, then you have a real problem because banning me won't bolster your case, in fact I am helping you by exposing the flaws in your theories, and if you can't deal with me, how will you ever deal with government who by your own admissions "can't stand you" and "think you're crazed"
If you think a ban on thoughts that don't mesh with yours is the way to go, so be, it ban me, then you can preach to the like minded choir, you can wallow in group think, and accept the accolades that come from like minded, but you run the danger of when you step out into the real world where there will be a lot of people who like me have differing views of how to spend billions of dollars, your plans will die in the morass of government committees.
good luck with your cause
Quotewhat is this supposed to mean? try and stick to the facts and not this type of psycho babble
You want me banned because I disagree with your dreams and poke huge holes in your version of the facts?
now isn't squelching dissent a bit fascist? are we in china, russia? mussolini's italy, you know he did get the trains to run on time.
If you want me banned because I don't buy into the pie in the sky transit fantasies you have, then you have a real problem because banning me won't bolster your case, in fact I am helping you by exposing the flaws in your theories, and if you can't deal with me, how will you ever deal with government who by your own admissions "can't stand you" and "think you're crazed"
If you think a ban on thoughts that don't mesh with yours is the way to go, so be, it ban me, then you can preach to the like minded choir, you can wallow in group think, and accept the accolades that come from like minded, but you run the danger of when you step out into the real world where there will be a lot of people who like me have differing views of how to spend billions of dollars, your plans will die in the morass of government committees.
good luck with your cause
Guess you don't know the River Line is one of the success stories of NJT? Development taxes have more then made up for any loss to the tax paying homeowners. They are now considering a whole expansion of the system, which may include Atlantic City and the High Speed Line.
Simply an observation that your confrontational posting to anything on these boards is not winning you any praise. Why not try and be constructive rather then destructive. You answered your own question, NJ has the highest taxes in the nation and is nearly bankrupt. (in more ways then one) But you miss the obvious that transit didn't get them there, in fact if it were not for Mass Transit, the whole of NJ would flop in a great heap of smoking humanity (see 911 - all transit lines closed).
I only want the best for Jacksonville and it's people. If my idea of the BEST is different then yours, so be it, but this constant flaming is going no where. "Want you banned?" HA! Now who is putting words in someone elses mouth? I'm just saying, chill and join in rather then sit and throw rocks. We can still disagree. OCKLAWAHA