Per Fortune:
http://fortune.com/2016/04/19/target-transgender-bathroom (http://fortune.com/2016/04/19/target-transgender-bathroom)
Target to Allow Transgender People to Use Bathroom of Their Choice
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Wading into the contentious national debate about the rights of transgender people, Target TGT 0.67% said on Tuesday that transgender workers and customers can use the restroom that is aligned with the gender they identify with.
"Inclusivity is a core belief at Target," the discount retailer said on its blog. "It's something we celebrate. We stand for equality and equity, and strive to make our guests and team members feel accepted, respected and welcomed in our stores and workplaces every day."
Target also said it supports the federal Equality Act, a law that provides protections to LGBT individuals, and opposes action that enables discrimination.The move comes amid an uproar over legislation recently signed into law North Carolina that compels transgender people to only use restroom in public buildings that correspond to their sex at birth. Similar laws have been passed, or are being considered elsewhere in the country, in states such as Mississippi.
The moves comes a few months after Target announced it would phase out gender-specific signage in store aisles that carry kids' toys, bedding, and books.
It's not the first time Target takes a potentially politically controversial stance on a hot issue, a potentially risky move for any retailer like Target that reaches a wide swathe of the country.
A few years ago, Target found itself in the crosshairs of guns rights activists when it asked them to leave guns in their car when coming to shop even if they have the right to bear them. The retailer has also long been a vocal supporter of LGBT rights, even featuring same-sex couples parenting children in its promotional material.
In recent years, Target has been trying to woo urban and affluent shoppers more, a demographic typically seen as supporting LGBT rights.Its stance on controversial issues has apparently not hurt business: Target's comparable sales rose 2.1 percent in 2015.
https://youtube.com/v/T3hQN22zeW4
one more reason to shop at Target over Wal-mart
Wouldn't the simplest solution be to simply not have separate bathrooms, i.e. unisex ?
This whole thing would probably also be a lot less of an issue if stalls had proper dividers and doors in the US.
This is great news and hopefully spreads to other retailers.
It says limited to transgender people but at the same time says they are against discrimination so cisgender people can as well.
Finally.
Quote from: Gunnar on April 20, 2016, 05:49:19 AM
Wouldn't the simplest solution be to simply not have separate bathrooms, i.e. unisex ?
This whole thing would probably also be a lot less of an issue if stalls had proper dividers and doors in the US.
There's probably some law that says you need men and woman's restrooms.
Quote from: coredumped on April 20, 2016, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: Gunnar on April 20, 2016, 05:49:19 AM
Wouldn't the simplest solution be to simply not have separate bathrooms, i.e. unisex ?
This whole thing would probably also be a lot less of an issue if stalls had proper dividers and doors in the US.
There's probably some law that says you need men and woman's restrooms.
But doesn't that become meaningless ? Unless there is a legal definition of gender that includes transgender.
To the people that often say 'There has never been problems with the transgender bathroom premise' that is NOT true. There are several sides of the spectrum here. The obvious inconvenience of trans people using the restroom; people (often women) being uncomfortable with someone (usually) who's born male using a women's restroom and probably most common, perverts abusing the system. Don't shoot the messenger liberals, my personal opinion is out of this, just stating facts...
I'll just pick the clean one.
Seriously though, having been one of those women who "sneaks" into the men's room because the ladies room always has a line around the block wouldn't it just make more sense to have a water closet, or closed partition in the rest room and be done with it? I really don't care who sees me washing my hands or reapplying my lipstick, but I prefer to not have to stand next to you while you use the urinal. I've been to music festivals where the bathrooms were for everyone, and never, ever experienced a problem.
If you're concerned about children using the restroom alone - this is a perfect solution. Just go in with them to the anyone bathroom, complete with closed & private stall. No more worrying for Dad about who's going to watch his daughter in the ladies room (Women don't care about little boys going into the stall with Mum).
I know this is coming up as a transgender and gender identity issue, but in reality the solution of having an "anybody" bathroom would just be better logistically.
Quote from: Gunnar on April 20, 2016, 05:49:19 AM
Wouldn't the simplest solution be to simply not have separate bathrooms, i.e. unisex ?
This whole thing would probably also be a lot less of an issue if stalls had proper dividers and doors in the US.
Good point. Unisex toilets aren't an issue when you have a bunch of separate little rooms.
Quote from: johnnyliar on April 21, 2016, 09:28:29 AM
Where?
Here's a few...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/teenagers-protest-a-transgender-students-use-of-the-girls-bathroom.html?_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wa-man-women-bathroom-test-transgender-ruling-article-1.2535150
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/
http://wkrn.com/2016/04/07/man-charged-after-allegedly-filming-in-smyrna-womens-restrooms/
www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/man-dressed-as-a-woman-peeps-on-women-in-bathroom-at-wal-mart/2015/06/10/cd88e1d6-0f5a-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
^^^I didn't ever say anything about assaults on this thread, go back and read...Nice dramatic red text though...
Ooh, ooh, let me try.
Quote from: I-10east on April 21, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on April 21, 2016, 09:28:29 AM
Where?
Here's a few...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/teenagers-protest-a-transgender-students-use-of-the-girls-bathroom.html?_r=0
SUMMARY: Trans woman makes other women uncomfortable in a locker room (bathrooms were apparently not a problem). Letting her just use the locker, or providing gender neutral space, would resolve the issue.
Quote from: I-10east on April 21, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wa-man-women-bathroom-test-transgender-ruling-article-1.2535150
SUMMARY: This is a tabloid hackjob of a story that was probably a stunt pulled by a non-trans man in order to make transgender people look bad. No indication that the person is actually trans.
http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2016/02/17/23583092/two-days-before-a-state-senate-vote-on-anti-trans-bathroom-bill-pool-employees-say-a-man-showed-up-in-a-womens-locker-room
Quote from: I-10east on April 21, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/
SUMMARY: A man dressed like a woman tries to video tape in the women's bathroom; is arrested. Gender identity protections would not protect someone being disruptive in a bathroom; no relevance to the issue of trans people using the bathroom of their gender identity.
Quote from: I-10east on April 21, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
http://wkrn.com/2016/04/07/man-charged-after-allegedly-filming-in-smyrna-womens-restrooms/
SUMMARY: A man NOT dressed as a woman tries to video tape in the women's bathroom; is arrested. No relevance to anything, at all.
Quote from: I-10east on April 21, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/man-dressed-as-a-woman-peeps-on-women-in-bathroom-at-wal-mart/2015/06/10/cd88e1d6-0f5a-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
A man dressed as a woman peeps in the women's bathroom; is arrested. Gender identity protections would not protect someone being disruptive in the bathroom - and it doesn't appear that Prince William County, Virginia has such protections to begin with. No relevance to the issue of trans people using the bathroom of their gender identity.
^^^Talk about spin (with your added opinions)...I'll give you the first one though. There are various other examples of these issues reported (of course usually quelled by the national media). Links that I posted is far from being 'the total archive collection of trans bathroom issues'.
Quote from: I-10east on April 21, 2016, 05:11:07 PM
^^^Talk about spin (with your added opinions)...I'll give you the first one though. There are various other examples of these issues reported (of course usually quelled by the national media). Links that I posted is far of 'the total archive collection of trans bathroom issues'.
I think it's more likely that this handful of isolated instances make up a large bulk of all problems that can be tied in any way to the "trans bathroom issue". If there
was a spate of trans women (or men pretending to be) causing problems in bathrooms, you can believe the anti-LGBT crowd would be shouting it from the rooftops rather than finding things random anecdotes. Or, in the case of the fellow in Seattle, causing problems themselves as a false flag operation to make trans people look bad.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 21, 2016, 05:19:41 PM
Or, in the case of the fellow in Seattle, causing problems themselves as a false flag operation to make trans people look bad.
But that's really all that it takes.
And the aim of the false flag operations does not even need to be making trans people look bad. It is enough if the public thinks that the new rules can be taken advantage of by the wrong people, which could create a backlash.
The current handling seems to be based on how people feel (i.e. what gender they identify with). In itself that is fine, however how do determine (prove / disprove) that ?
That means there will need to be a binding of legal definition on how to officially change ones gender and the details of this.
Example: Can one simply get their gender changed on official documentation just by asking for this, is a sex change operation or hormone treatment required, can this decision be rescinded and if yes how often....
Please do not misunderstand this as being against transgender rights, it's quite the opposite.
Here's the breitbart story Stephen...
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Secret-Recording-Store-Mall-Antelope-Valley-Palmdale-Restroom-207541101.html
Huff Post, Drudge Report, Breitbart, Salon, Fox News, MSNBC etc all have their political spin, but they CAN be used as sources of media, depending on how they are reporting the story (sticking to the main issue). Liberals are so infatuated with these 'evil Republican' buzz words and phrases. "You're a Trump supporter" or "You're watching to much Fox News" or when you play devils advocate, you're automatically "against a cause" because it's outside of the narrative.
Quote from: Apache on April 21, 2016, 09:57:29 PM
I won't post (terms of service and all) because it's nsfw.
But I recommend you check out redneck comedian Trae Crowder's take on the subject on his YouTube.
Haha
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NxsQFuNkIEo