New pub/waffle eatery opening up in Murray Hill.
Check them out, sounds like a very cool place.
They need community support.
http://magnoliaspub.com/we-need-your-help/
Why must start-ups in core-city neighborhoods have to go to battle with the city over things like this? This kind of bureaucracy is what stifles growth. Density is what's needed. Let businesses get up and going and figure out how to best accommodate their target market.
Why is everything a "pub" now? Is this a general trend across the US (calling places that serve alcohol and food "pubs") or is it more of a Jacksonville thing?
Quote from: jaxnyc79 on September 09, 2015, 09:19:30 PM
Why must start-ups in core-city neighborhoods have to go to battle with the city over things like this? This kind of bureaucracy is what stifles growth. Density is what's needed. Let businesses get up and going and figure out how to best accommodate their target market.
It's not just the city, it's also fellow merchants and landlords. And it is always about parking and alcohol. If they were opening up an old lady hat shop, they would be open now, no issues. They would be out of business in 6 months, but whatever...
Quote from: Adam White on September 10, 2015, 05:45:54 AM
Why is everything a "pub" now? Is this a general trend across the US (calling places that serve alcohol and food "pubs") or is it more of a Jacksonville thing?
it's about 10 years old the second wave gastro Pub movement, so yes just coming to Jax now.
Quote from: Sentient on September 10, 2015, 07:28:10 AM
Quote from: Adam White on September 10, 2015, 05:45:54 AM
Why is everything a "pub" now? Is this a general trend across the US (calling places that serve alcohol and food "pubs") or is it more of a Jacksonville thing?
it's about 10 years old the second wave gastro Pub movement, so yes just coming to Jax now.
Used to be "pubs" were themed - like Irish or British or whatever. I think I remember once seeing one referred to as an American pub or something. But it was odd to see the term used unless it was referring to a themed bar/restaurant.
The whole "gastropub" thing is a bit ridiculous anyway, I think.
I'd be super excited to have another business open in Murray Hill. "Pub," "Gastropub," whatever!
However, gourmet waffles is a tough sell for me.
Quote from: johnnyliar on September 10, 2015, 09:03:13 AM
I'd be super excited to have another business open in Murray Hill. "Pub," "Gastropub," whatever!
However, gourmet waffles is a tough sell for me.
sorry - didn't mean to imply i had an issue with the business (i don't). it was just a general question. gourmet waffles certainly is an original choice of offering.
I've been very excited about this and know she is nervous about getting everything approved, so I hope everyone shows support (I don't think this will be a problem) 8)
How likely is it that the parking exemption is granted?
Quote from: Adam White on September 10, 2015, 05:45:54 AM
Why is everything a "pub" now? Is this a general trend across the US (calling places that serve alcohol and food "pubs") or is it more of a Jacksonville thing?
I prefer Tavern...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 10, 2015, 12:21:04 PM
Quote from: Adam White on September 10, 2015, 05:45:54 AM
Why is everything a "pub" now? Is this a general trend across the US (calling places that serve alcohol and food "pubs") or is it more of a Jacksonville thing?
I prefer Tavern...
How about Bar and Grille? Brasserie? Let's mix it up, people!
I'm very excited for waffles and beer!
There is another store front in that same strip that also has a public notice sign. By chance does anyone know what might be going in the second building? I believe its right next to the old yoga studio which is now Momni alterations and boutiques. I'm just curious ;)
Quote from: johnnyliar on September 10, 2015, 12:03:13 PM
How likely is it that the parking exemption is granted?
I would think it should be smooth unless there is public outcry (a la mellow mushroom) but thats just me being logical and naive to the way
our city actually works.
Quote from: benfranklinbof on September 10, 2015, 01:13:46 PM
I'm very excited for waffles and beer!
There is another store front in that same strip that also has a public notice sign. By chance does anyone know what might be going in the second building? I believe its right next to the old yoga studio which is now Momni alterations and boutiques. I'm just curious ;)
I thought Momni is up near Post. This is the strip down by Moon River, and I think they are moving into the four vacant units.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on September 10, 2015, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on September 10, 2015, 12:03:13 PM
How likely is it that the parking exemption is granted?
I would think it should be smooth unless there is public outcry (a la mellow mushroom) but thats just me being logical and naive to the way our city actually works.
Quote from: benfranklinbof on September 10, 2015, 01:13:46 PM
I'm very excited for waffles and beer!
There is another store front in that same strip that also has a public notice sign. By chance does anyone know what might be going in the second building? I believe its right next to the old yoga studio which is now Momni alterations and boutiques. I'm just curious ;)
I thought Momni is up near Post. This is the strip down by Moon River, and I think they are moving into the four vacant units.
Momni is moving right beside the new black hat vape.
They just got a new sign painted onto the brick building a couple of days ago. It looks nice.
That makes sense to me, the waffle place sounds pretty big :).
Rubber stamping Parking is just plain ol' long established good ol' boy we love growth Jacksonville Planning Department, "Traffic Study".
A perfect companion to Speculation, too many Investors.
This request on the heels of another request recently granted.The Edgewood corner Tobacco Store.Cigar Lounge. Bar. Outside Patio.
I used to reside in Murray Hill. My Grandmother resided at Florida Christian Apartments.
During the past couple of months I have counseled the Tobacco Store owner on his application,with an eye towards COJ "Approval" to "Request".
We do know that Murray Hill has recently lost local sea food retail outlet, and a salon to Herschel Street/Avondale happy relocation. Perhaps the entire Edgewood commercial strip is doomed,ineffective, unrealistic commercial owner expectations, terrible design.A giant liability.Lack of Vibrant Merchant Assoc. a helpfully telling insight.
Would a Bulldozer to the Commercial Strip(S) be more efficacious than monkey wrenching existing facility?
Are inevitable demographic 'shifts' certain to alter the look,feel,function of Murray Hill?
Too bad that upon Consolidation Murray Hill did not retain Sovereign Identity, per Beaches Community...even Baldwin for crying out loud.
Now you rely on a retired Navy person for your City Council representative, a way too sprawling district. Residents to the East,across the Tracks, with Giant Check Book Balance have defined Jim Love's "Leadership". Thankfully.
Murray Hill's collective lack of identity during Consolidation might simply be entrenched to this day. Now what?
So now a brave soul enters with yet another Murray Hill Plan Et Al.
Will such concepts,applications to COJ Planning 'restore' and 'enhance' the Murray Hill neighborhood,which is dominated by residential area,foot print??
Parking 'exception'?
Where in fact will the overflow flow? If neighborhoods,then what? "OK". Why? Assumptions?
Remember,above all else when assuming Avondale comparison,Murray Hill is quite literally on the wrong side of the Tracks.
If homeowner/neighborhood parking overflow impact is an issue,as well as site application scale,Murray Hill does not enjoy citizen sponsored "Zone Overlay".........nor,likely, citizens astute enough to establish "standing" during COJ rezone & land use change REQUEST,along with the resources to dedicate hundreds of thousands of dollars towards legal challenge in the event current citizen's land use & zone rules are not adhered to,City Council action/vote a cause for appeal .
Sadly,in Murray Hill so many home sites are consigned to renters,owned by " Investors" that would cheer many Booster Promotions.One experiment after another,some potentially impacting the experience of subject home ownership itself.
Quote from: Know Growth on September 11, 2015, 07:46:16 PM
Rubber stamping Parking is just plain ol' long established good ol' boy we love growth Jacksonville Planning Department, "Traffic Study".
A perfect companion to Speculation, too many Investors.
This request on the heels of another request recently granted.The Edgewood corner Tobacco Store.Cigar Lounge. Bar. Outside Patio.
I used to reside in Murray Hill. My Grandmother resided at Florida Christian Apartments.
During the past couple of months I have counseled the Tobacco Store owner on his application,with an eye towards COJ "Approval" to "Request".
We do know that Murray Hill has recently lost local sea food retail outlet, and a salon to Herschel Street/Avondale happy relocation. Perhaps the entire Edgewood commercial strip is doomed,ineffective, unrealistic commercial owner expectations, terrible design.A giant liability.Lack of Vibrant Merchant Assoc. a helpfully telling insight.
Would a Bulldozer to the Commercial Strip(S) be more efficacious than monkey wrenching existing facility?
Are inevitable demographic 'shifts' certain to alter the look,feel,function of Murray Hill?
Too bad that upon Consolidation Murray Hill did not retain Sovereign Identity, per Beaches Community...even Baldwin for crying out loud.
Now you rely on a retired Navy person for your City Council representative, a way too sprawling district. Residents to the East,across the Tracks, with Giant Check Book Balance have defined Jim Love's "Leadership". Thankfully.
Murray Hill's collective lack of identity during Consolidation might simply be entrenched to this day. Now what?
So now a brave soul enters with yet another Murray Hill Plan Et Al.
Will such concepts,applications to COJ Planning 'restore' and 'enhance' the Murray Hill neighborhood,which is dominated by residential area,foot print??
Parking 'exception'?
Where in fact will the overflow flow? If neighborhoods,then what? "OK". Why? Assumptions?
Remember,above all else when assuming Avondale comparison,Murray Hill is quite literally on the wrong side of the Tracks.
If homeowner/neighborhood parking overflow impact is an issue,as well as site application scale,Murray Hill does not enjoy citizen sponsored "Zone Overlay".........nor,likely, citizens astute enough to establish "standing" during COJ rezone & land use change REQUEST,along with the resources to dedicate hundreds of thousands of dollars towards legal challenge in the event current citizen's land use & zone rules are not adhered to,City Council action/vote a cause for appeal .
Sadly,in Murray Hill so many home sites are consigned to renters,owned by " Investors" that would cheer many Booster Promotions.One experiment after another,some potentially impacting the experience of subject home ownership itself.
Parking shouldn't be an issue. The streets within the neighborhood aren't being used constantly like the king street area. Post is terrible! I never drive over there, but I do bike it.
Murray Hill is a nice neighborhood, that's why I bought my house at the age of 21. I'm 23 now and I love the area even more.
Watching the revitalization of the Edgewood strip is fascinating to me. I like seeing the progress and no one can deny the fact that murray hill is getting better. It'll take time but heck I have plenty of it. I'm young and I can't wait to see what the area will look like in 5 - 10 years.
I can't wait to get crunk and eat waffles :)
Also I think there are plenty of hair places in murray hill.
MHPA Merchants Association is sorely needed to help address these issues. It would be better to have an association that to let the city steamroll their ideology along Edgewood.
"Would a Bulldozer to the Commercial Strip(S) be more efficacious than monkey wrenching existing facility?"
Undoubtedly YES... Look at the things that really are working or appear to be working so far... Publix/Riverside/Bell's and adjacent places - Brooklyn - and SJTC. They all have been clean slates.
Quote from: Sentient on September 12, 2015, 10:44:11 AM
"Would a Bulldozer to the Commercial Strip(S) be more efficacious than monkey wrenching existing facility?"
Undoubtedly YES... Look at the things that really are working or appear to be working so far... Publix/Riverside/Bell's and adjacent places - Brooklyn - and SJTC. They all have been clean slates.
Why destroy history? There is nothing wrong with the current buildings. The brooklyn area and the riverside publix always reminds me of the town center. The older buildings have character that shouldn't be destroyed.
Quote from: benfranklinbof on September 12, 2015, 03:49:39 PM
Quote from: Sentient on September 12, 2015, 10:44:11 AM
"Would a Bulldozer to the Commercial Strip(S) be more efficacious than monkey wrenching existing facility?"
Undoubtedly YES... Look at the things that really are working or appear to be working so far... Publix/Riverside/Bell's and adjacent places - Brooklyn - and SJTC. They all have been clean slates.
Why destroy history? There is nothing wrong with the current buildings. The brooklyn area and the riverside publix always reminds me of the town center. The older buildings have character that shouldn't be destroyed.
To be fair, the Riverside Publix is a vast improvement over Riverside Hospital. And Riverside needed a grocery store, so it just makes sense.
Quote from: benfranklinbof on September 12, 2015, 03:49:39 PM
Quote from: Sentient on September 12, 2015, 10:44:11 AM
"Would a Bulldozer to the Commercial Strip(S) be more efficacious than monkey wrenching existing facility?"
Undoubtedly YES... Look at the things that really are working or appear to be working so far... Publix/Riverside/Bell's and adjacent places - Brooklyn - and SJTC. They all have been clean slates.
Why destroy history? There is nothing wrong with the current buildings. The brooklyn area and the riverside publix always reminds me of the town center. The older buildings have character that shouldn't be destroyed.
The same reason we are not living in caves, tents, log cabins etc. History moves on. The strip shops along Edgewood have little historical significance and limited adaptive reuse utility. Bad single story layout, low density. The whole strip would be wildly different at 3-5 stories.
Quote from: Sentient on September 12, 2015, 05:00:02 PM
The same reason we are not living in caves, tents, log cabins etc. History moves on. The strip shops along Edgewood have little historical significance and limited adaptive reuse utility. Bad single story layout, low density. The whole strip would be wildly different at 3-5 stories.
Quite a few of the storefronts have upstairs space. Magnolia's is planning on using there's commercially. The owners of Perfect Rack live above their place.
The whole strip would be wildly different at 3-5 stories. It would be 75% empty.
The only black-eye, IMO, to the entire strip is still the old Fat Kat space. Something desperately needs to go in there, but what I haven't a clue.
Andrea here - hopefully owner of Magnolia's! New to the forums and came across this and figured I could chime in and answer questions.
Currently I have no plans for the upstairs, it needs a LOT of work.
I will be taking over all 4 units so the orange signs are on both ends of the unit.
Overflow parking will be on the street and on Plymouth street. The 16 the city is counting is just for the back area, no spots that are off street in the back that touch the street are counted, only spaces on the property. There is easily room for 50+ spots in front of this area on Edgewood and Plymouth Ave as it is quite wide and there is not residential there.
And yes - the hearings are needed just for the liquor and parking. This parking is for a restaurant, 4 retail stores would not need as much. In theory if the building was full it would need more spots and a hearing if all spots were filled with just retail. Restaurants require more spaces and not being in an overlay historic area that the city is or was trying to build up, so required parking is not reduced.
Pub was actually added on for licensing and website searchability as just magnolias was taken. And bar was also taken. Bar also often limits that there is food and I want the focus to be on the food. I really just will be calling it mostly Magnolia's including the logo to keep it simple as I agree that pub usually relates to a theme more British or Irish, and this will not be the case.
The food will often be customer geared as it offers a wide range of vegan, vegaterian, and gluten free options. A weekly beer waffle will be made and dessert waffles based on customer voting!
There will also be beer dinners (one already in the plans with Cigar City), craft beer cocktails and 30 drafts with about 20 of them rotating.
The waffles will be made from scratch daily so no preservatives or additives. There will be basic fried food and a huge salad selection for those that are not sold on the waffles, but I promise you they are amazing!! But even I enjoy a basket of tenders and fries or a large loaded plate of nachos. There will also be a separate restaurant Area to make it family friendly and seperate from the bar area.
As of now I have not heard on any feedback from the city, so hoping the hearings go smoothly. I'll also attend the next Murray Hill meeting in October and am in contact with some people on bringing back the merchant association. I love the Riverside and Murray Hill area and really want to see it grow beyond just more places by helping create a community feeling.
Also, there are plans to make all the window fronts uniform with the old e-cig window front. Trying to get the landlord to fund this and a cleaner bigger back patio, I think this is key to cleaning up the area and the look.
There is more info on the hearings at www.MagnoliasPub.com and ways you can help show support at the hearings
I hope this helps :-) I am SUPER excited!
Quote from: Bella21 on September 14, 2015, 03:55:53 PM
Andrea here - hopefully owner of Magnolia's! New to the forums and came across this and figured I could chime in and answer questions.
Currently I have no plans for the upstairs, it needs a LOT of work.
I will be taking over all 4 units so the orange signs are on both ends of the unit.
Overflow parking will be on the street and on Plymouth street. The 16 the city is counting is just for the back area, no spots that are off street in the back that touch the street are counted, only spaces on the property. There is easily room for 50+ spots in front of this area on Edgewood and Plymouth Ave as it is quite wide and there is not residential there.
And yes - the hearings are needed just for the liquor and parking. This parking is for a restaurant, 4 retail stores would not need as much. In theory if the building was full it would need more spots and a hearing if all spots were filled with just retail. Restaurants require more spaces and not being in an overlay historic area that the city is or was trying to build up, so required parking is not reduced.
Pub was actually added on for licensing and website searchability as just magnolias was taken. And bar was also taken. Bar also often limits that there is food and I want the focus to be on the food. I really just will be calling it mostly Magnolia's including the logo to keep it simple as I agree that pub usually relates to a theme more British or Irish, and this will not be the case.
The food will often be customer geared as it offers a wide range of vegan, vegaterian, and gluten free options. A weekly beer waffle will be made and dessert waffles based on customer voting!
There will also be beer dinners (one already in the plans with Cigar City), craft beer cocktails and 30 drafts with about 20 of them rotating.
The waffles will be made from scratch daily so no preservatives or additives. There will be basic fried food and a huge salad selection for those that are not sold on the waffles, but I promise you they are amazing!! But even I enjoy a basket of tenders and fries or a large loaded plate of nachos. There will also be a separate restaurant Area to make it family friendly and seperate from the bar area.
As of now I have not heard on any feedback from the city, so hoping the hearings go smoothly. I'll also attend the next Murray Hill meeting in October and am in contact with some people on bringing back the merchant association. I love the Riverside and Murray Hill area and really want to see it grow beyond just more places by helping create a community feeling.
Also, there are plans to make all the window fronts uniform with the old e-cig window front. Trying to get the landlord to fund this and a cleaner bigger back patio, I think this is key to cleaning up the area and the look.
There is more info on the hearings at www.MagnoliasPub.com and ways you can help show support at the hearings
I hope this helps :-) I am SUPER excited!
Good luck Andrea!
Welcome to the forums, Andrea!! Very excited to see y'all move in to Edgewood!
Quote from: benfranklinbof on September 11, 2015, 11:55:30 PM
Quote from: Know Growth on September 11, 2015, 07:46:16 PM
Rubber stamping Parking is just plain ol' long established good ol' boy we love growth Jacksonville Planning Department, "Traffic Study".
A perfect companion to Speculation, too many Investors.
This request on the heels of another request recently granted.The Edgewood corner Tobacco Store.Cigar Lounge. Bar. Outside Patio.
I used to reside in Murray Hill. My Grandmother resided at Florida Christian Apartments.
During the past couple of months I have counseled the Tobacco Store owner on his application,with an eye towards COJ "Approval" to "Request".
We do know that Murray Hill has recently lost local sea food retail outlet, and a salon to Herschel Street/Avondale happy relocation. Perhaps the entire Edgewood commercial strip is doomed,ineffective, unrealistic commercial owner expectations, terrible design.A giant liability.Lack of Vibrant Merchant Assoc. a helpfully telling insight.
Would a Bulldozer to the Commercial Strip(S) be more efficacious than monkey wrenching existing facility?
Are inevitable demographic 'shifts' certain to alter the look,feel,function of Murray Hill?
Too bad that upon Consolidation Murray Hill did not retain Sovereign Identity, per Beaches Community...even Baldwin for crying out loud.
Now you rely on a retired Navy person for your City Council representative, a way too sprawling district. Residents to the East,across the Tracks, with Giant Check Book Balance have defined Jim Love's "Leadership". Thankfully.
Murray Hill's collective lack of identity during Consolidation might simply be entrenched to this day. Now what?
So now a brave soul enters with yet another Murray Hill Plan Et Al.
Will such concepts,applications to COJ Planning 'restore' and 'enhance' the Murray Hill neighborhood,which is dominated by residential area,foot print??
Parking 'exception'?
Where in fact will the overflow flow? If neighborhoods,then what? "OK". Why? Assumptions?
Remember,above all else when assuming Avondale comparison,Murray Hill is quite literally on the wrong side of the Tracks.
If homeowner/neighborhood parking overflow impact is an issue,as well as site application scale,Murray Hill does not enjoy citizen sponsored "Zone Overlay".........nor,likely, citizens astute enough to establish "standing" during COJ rezone & land use change REQUEST,along with the resources to dedicate hundreds of thousands of dollars towards legal challenge in the event current citizen's land use & zone rules are not adhered to,City Council action/vote a cause for appeal .
Sadly,in Murray Hill so many home sites are consigned to renters,owned by " Investors" that would cheer many Booster Promotions.One experiment after another,some potentially impacting the experience of subject home ownership itself.
Post is terrible!
Don't believe everything you think.
I don't.
8)
Quote from: Bella21 on September 14, 2015, 03:55:53 PM
Andrea here - hopefully owner of Magnolia's! New to the forums and came across this and figured I could chime in and answer questions.
Currently I have no plans for the upstairs, it needs a LOT of work.
I will be taking over all 4 units so the orange signs are on both ends of the unit.
Overflow parking will be on the street and on Plymouth street. The 16 the city is counting is just for the back area, no spots that are off street in the back that touch the street are counted, only spaces on the property. There is easily room for 50+ spots in front of this area on Edgewood and Plymouth Ave as it is quite wide and there is not residential there.
And yes - the hearings are needed just for the liquor and parking. This parking is for a restaurant, 4 retail stores would not need as much. In theory if the building was full it would need more spots and a hearing if all spots were filled with just retail. Restaurants require more spaces and not being in an overlay historic area that the city is or was trying to build up, so required parking is not reduced.
Pub was actually added on for licensing and website searchability as just magnolias was taken. And bar was also taken. Bar also often limits that there is food and I want the focus to be on the food. I really just will be calling it mostly Magnolia's including the logo to keep it simple as I agree that pub usually relates to a theme more British or Irish, and this will not be the case.
The food will often be customer geared as it offers a wide range of vegan, vegaterian, and gluten free options. A weekly beer waffle will be made and dessert waffles based on customer voting!
There will also be beer dinners (one already in the plans with Cigar City), craft beer cocktails and 30 drafts with about 20 of them rotating.
The waffles will be made from scratch daily so no preservatives or additives. There will be basic fried food and a huge salad selection for those that are not sold on the waffles, but I promise you they are amazing!! But even I enjoy a basket of tenders and fries or a large loaded plate of nachos. There will also be a separate restaurant Area to make it family friendly and seperate from the bar area.
As of now I have not heard on any feedback from the city, so hoping the hearings go smoothly. I'll also attend the next Murray Hill meeting in October and am in contact with some people on bringing back the merchant association. I love the Riverside and Murray Hill area and really want to see it grow beyond just more places by helping create a community feeling.
Also, there are plans to make all the window fronts uniform with the old e-cig window front. Trying to get the landlord to fund this and a cleaner bigger back patio, I think this is key to cleaning up the area and the look.
There is more info on the hearings at www.MagnoliasPub.com and ways you can help show support at the hearings
I hope this helps :-) I am SUPER excited!
I can't wait for opening day! :)
Good luck
It really looks like this project is moving along!
Maybe some local artists should spice up the plywood that has made it way onto the build. Kinda like the hoptinger temporary mural wall in 5pts. A lil temporary flare could go a long way for the neighborhood.
Drove by yesterday, the windows outside are all boarded up.....could be an opportunity for a mural or something prettier than the lumber yard color of pressed fiberboard.....
I can't wait until it's open so I can check it out. No matter how much I want this to succeed I'm hoping the weeknight closing times will be closer to 9-10 pm instead of 2-3 am. Time will tell.
Now I really can't wait until something goes into where the old Fat Kat's was and renovates the front, it's practically falling off/rotting in place where they stuck up sheets of OSB with paint as permanent siding.
Andrea here again!
Been a while! The boards on the front were really short lived as we were adding in some amazing new window fronts and a garage front to really help clean up the restaurant front :)
We also repainted the front and cleaned up the parking lot in back so it isn't so trashy.
We completed gutted and updated everything in the building from the top to bottom (literally we re-laid most the cement floor after we tore it out)
I put a lot of personal touches into the place by hand creating & designing the tables, bar top, keg system and some bathrooms sinks. With the help of friends we refurbished the original ceiling in the bar area and added fresh paint and color to the walls. Our dining area will be featuring local art from the Murray Hill Arts Center. After the first month we will have a featured artists and an Art Crawl in Murray Hill!
We hope to be open within two weeks and are aiming to give everyone an enjoyable new place to eat!
After a month or so of being open we will be adding in the back awning for additional seating :) please feel free to stay tuned on FB www.facebook.com/magnoliaspub as I rarely go on metro Jax and can answer any questions much faster :) we also posted our menu and pictures on FB.
I look forward to meeting you all!
Awesome! Glad to hear the news and looking forward to coming in!
This is the correct Face page: https://www.facebook.com/Magnoliaspub/
Thanks :) Fixed the link - too many things going on!
I went yesterday for brunch. Really enjoyed the waffles and the vegan options! Looking forward to another visit!
The wife and I have been there twice in as many weeks. Food was great, so much so we overlooked the terrible service the first time. Understanding its a new restaurant and all, chalk it up to inexperience.
We went back yesterday for brunch, and with even worse service than before we will not be eating here again. :(
So Magnolia's was sold a few months ago. Recently the name changed to "The Stout Snug on the hill". More of an Irish theme now.
I didn't even notice that the name had changed. They had a hard time getting off to a good start.
I saw the name change a few days ago. It feels like a pretty goofy name.
I wish them luck.
Service here was so bad and the food took so long on both visits it was ridiculous. I'm not surprised in the least.
What is surprising is it lasted as long as it did.