Saw this on Twitter today from AP's Mark Long
(https://db.tt/Vs6HPcmi)
https://twitter.com/APMarkLong/status/638748637007364096 (https://twitter.com/APMarkLong/status/638748637007364096)
Hmm. Not waiting on the Shipyards facility?
The distrust from some on this board of Shad Khan, the 4th richest owner in the NFL, has been ridiculous. The man is in partnership with the city. And committed to this city.
They say it will be at Everbank. I wonder where exactly it will be.
Rattler, how'd you get distrust, trust, etc. of Shad Khan out of my comment? The thing I'm not trusting about the Jags, is their oline's ability to protect Bortles from Suh & Wake in week 2 :).
Quote from: thelakelander on September 01, 2015, 01:09:35 PM
Rattler, how'd you get distrust, trust, etc. of Shad Khan out of my comment? The thing I'm not trusting about the Jags, is their oline's ability to protect Bortles from Suh & Wake in week 2 :).
You are going to be sooo disappointed this year in the Phins....again
Quote from: copperfiend on September 01, 2015, 01:06:26 PM
They say it will be at Everbank. I wonder where exactly it will be.
its going to be where the old practice field at...South Endzone
I think the Jags brass legitimately believe they need one sooner rather than later, to be more competitive on the field (among a lot of other things). I don't believe this is an indictment on the Shipyards progress (or lack thereof).
He said they are still interested and involved in Shipyards. But with that process and remediation of environment issues could be years out. They can bring it online by building at the the stadium much quicker. It makes sense. The reality with the Shipyards and remediation hey are probably 2 years from breaking ground. This could. Real ground within a couple of months.
Quote from: thelakelander on September 01, 2015, 01:09:35 PM
Rattler, how'd you get distrust, trust, etc. of Shad Khan out of my comment? The thing I'm not trusting about the Jags, is their oline's ability to protect Bortles from Suh & Wake in week 2 :).
Ennis, I didn't have you or your comment in mind at all. stephendare, as evidenced above, and his limited perspective regarding Shad Khan and the Jaguars? Yes, indeed.
And about them Dolphins, my man . . . we ain't skurred. Not skurred at all !!!
This is good. No need for practice fields (especially indoor fields) to be on the river.
Its going to be a multi use facility so I dont think being on river is that big of a deal, but atleast now they can move forward and get in done.
It will be nice to see some more surface parking lot space disappear! I also agree with others who believe this is a better location for an indoor field, as opposed to it being on the river.
QuoteAs negotiations appear to be at a standstill over his high-profile proposal to redevelop the Shipyards property on downtown's waterfront, Jaguars owner Shad Khan said Tuesday he plans to move ahead with plans to build an indoor practice facility located just outside EverBank Field that he will finance at a cost in the "ballpark" of $30 million.
Khan's Shipyards project included an indoor facility for the Jaguars, but he wants his team to have an alternate facility by the start of next season.
"I'm not sure when the Shipyards will be done," Khan said after hosting a luncheon benefitting the Jaguars' charitable foundation.
QuoteKhan initially declined to give a price for the facility, but when told that the University of Georgia's facility is costing nearly $30 million, he said: "I would think that's the ballpark, to really do it the right away. ... Mostly our money. Hopefully, a minimal amount of red tape."
It's not clear if he will seek public investment for the project.
City officials did not return phone calls by Tuesday afternoon.
Although Khan wouldn't reveal specific details, he said the project, "will have more to it than just the practice facility. There will be components to it that will make this more of a destination. Our goal for the home games – we want them to be like a weekend where we can regionally attract people to the city. There would be other events."
Khan hopes the indoor facility will be completed in time for training camp next July.
Full article: http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2015-09-01/story/khan-says-hell-pursue-new-indoor-practice-facility
Quote from: stephendare on September 01, 2015, 03:40:56 PM
There really is only one limited perspective on Khan, rattlergator, and that is yours. Anytime Khan's name is mentioned you show up suddenly to assert positive messaging on his behalf, even when its unwarranted.
Do you work for or with, khan or any of his affiliated companies? Ive asked this before, but no answer.
Work for him? Of course not, stephen. How plantation master of you -- I can't have an independent opinion, huh? Gotta be paid by some "other" massa, is that it? Back up, bwah. I show up to defend a man worthy of defense because . . . you
may have noticed . . . he gets casually dissed on this board by a select crew. Sorry if that disturbs you. But I *am* a proud season ticket holder. Section 114, Row Q -- stop by and say hello sometime!
Oh nice, Lake! I like the timeline very much. Sounds like they'll seek minimal public funds...hopefully his definition of "mostly" is the same as ours.
Quote from: stephendare on September 01, 2015, 01:09:11 PM
This is a far cry from the good work that the Weavers were famous for doing (and still do) in this community.
I totally agree concerning the great work the Weavers have done in this city; It's a damn crime their work is often overlooked here. I agree that Shad has had bumps in the road with certain investments, but I also think that the sky is the limit for him; He has done remarkable things (solidifying the Jags among others) for this city as well.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on September 02, 2015, 12:11:10 AM
Oh nice, Lake! I like the timeline very much. Sounds like they'll seek minimal public funds...hopefully his definition of "mostly" is the same as ours.
I think that's one helluva timeline because they likely would start construction until after the season (end of January? ;) ), but it also tells me that most of the parts are already in place.
I really don't care one way or the other whether they're seeking public funds or not, but like any development looking for public funds, I would rather they be financially able to complete the project first and then worry about the public money on the back-end. If you need the assistance to get started, then it's probably not a good plan in the first place.
FSU built an indoor practice facility 2 years ago and UF is just finishing one up. Each was around $15 million. They are both fully functional and very nice. I don't believe either was built with a dollar of state funds. Though I suppose you could say they were funded by public funds via tax free donations...
Which brings me to my question. Is anyone aware of city funds being used for an indoor practice facility anywhere else in the country? I can rationalize giving public subsidies for things like scoreboards, since the stadium is an economic driver of the city (Gator Bowl, Fla/Ga, Country Fest, soccer games, etc), but an indoor practice facility is a luxury item (albeit a necessary one in Florida). I know the Jags will probably say they are going to use the facility for pregame events or other "public uses", but ultimately the goal is to get this thing built for football practices.
Can someone sell me on why the city should chip in a few million dollars?
Khan wants the new facility practice-ready by training camp next year.
That's a crazy fast turnaround for a state-of-the-art $30 million facility.
Quote from: KenFSU on September 02, 2015, 09:46:23 AM
Khan wants the new facility practice-ready by training camp next year.
That's a crazy fast turnaround for a state-of-the-art $30 million facility.
UF built a facility this quickly this year. The bulk of it is a warehouse like structure that will cover the field, with some office structures and training rooms.
I'm guessing the Jags' facility will be a little more upscale (and grown..??? J/K), but it should still be a pretty quick process. They could use this facility and the stadium to frame a public space with both passive and active uses that would make the area come alive on game day and other special events.
Quote from: stephendare on September 02, 2015, 12:45:47 AM
Totally doesn't disturb me, and fyi shilling for more powerful wealthy men wasn't limited to the plantation system. There were bootlickers back in ancient greece and china as well. So if you must make references to some prior time of humilating servitude, then by all means open up your horizons a little bit. Im sure you have the ability if you really put some effort into these dullwitted encomiums.
Do tell, stephen, do tell. Sure as hell seems to have disturbed you but hey, what do I know? You presumed much before, you're presuming much still, you'll probably believe in presumptive caricatures until the day you die. Carry on.
Shad Khan is likely looking at trying to do something like the Cowboys are doing in Frisco, Texas.
http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2015/07/26/dallas-cowboys-350m-the-star-in-friscoreaches.html
http://www.friscoedc.com/news/dallas-cowboys-team-frisco-isd-frisco-build-multi-use-special-events-sports-facility-world-corp
That indoor facility that will be built quickly is probably going to be capable of hosting local high school football games, seat somewhere around 10k people, have multiple capabilities, etc. It will probably have an *immediate* impact during Florida-Georgia week, the bowl game, and our KickOff Classics. In the larger scheme, his proposed Shipyards Development is probably going to tag along with the sort of work Jerry Jones has done with this project. I have no doubt they have talked extensively.
If some of the usual suspects in Jacksonville will just get the hell out of the way -- this man is going to deliver to us, piece by piece, what we've always wanted in downtown Jacksonville; an entertainment district worthy of the name but appropriate for the region. He's going to go ahead and do the indoor practice facility because he can. Kudos to Shad.
The Dallas indoor facility is also a part of a larger infill development:
(http://friscoblog.dallasnews.com/files/2014/11/scale-model-of-The-Star.jpg)
(http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/vdha3/picture6727509/ALTERNATES/FREE_640/cows%20frisco.JPG)
I'm looking forward to seeing what the Jags come up with. It could be pretty impressive.
Dont think the south end zone land is big enough for all of that..
Quote from: stephendare on September 02, 2015, 12:45:47 AM
Quote from: RattlerGator on September 01, 2015, 11:54:32 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 01, 2015, 03:40:56 PM
There really is only one limited perspective on Khan, rattlergator, and that is yours. Anytime Khan's name is mentioned you show up suddenly to assert positive messaging on his behalf, even when its unwarranted.
Do you work for or with, khan or any of his affiliated companies? Ive asked this before, but no answer.
Work for him? Of course not, stephen. How plantation master of you -- I can't have an independent opinion, huh? Gotta be paid by some "other" massa, is that it? Back up, bwah. I show up to defend a man worthy of defense because . . . you may have noticed . . . he gets casually dissed on this board by a select crew. Sorry if that disturbs you. But I *am* a proud season ticket holder. Section 114, Row Q -- stop by and say hello sometime!
Totally doesn't disturb me, and fyi shilling for more powerful wealthy men wasn't limited to the plantation system. There were bootlickers back in ancient greece and china as well. So if you must make references to some prior time of humilating servitude, then by all means open up your horizons a little bit. Im sure you have the ability if you really put some effort into these dullwitted encomiums.
"Encomium?" Reading that word just gave me flashbacks to studying for the verbal portion of the GRE!
Anyway, Cool idea Shad, you may proceed. Hopefully that's enough to get this project rolling but please, away from the river!
Private sector meet Public sector. Timelines and development processes typically don't match...
QuoteCity vague in response to Shad Khan's proposed indoor practice field near EverBank Field
Top city officials are intrigued but waiting to see details before weighing in on a proposed indoor practice facility located outside EverBank Field that Jaguars owner Shad Khan said this week he wants to complete before the start of next season.
The facility, which Khan said could cost about $30 million, was originally part of a high-profile development proposal Khan had submitted for the fallow Shipyards property on downtown's waterfront, but he said Tuesday the slow pace of those negotiations have left him wanting to pursue an alternate facility on a faster time line.
It appears those plans were put together and announced Tuesday largely without prior involvement from city officials.
Mayor Lenny Curry praised Khan in a written statement but was noncommittal and used a familiar refrain: Any proposal must "make financial sense" for the city.
Full article: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2015-09-02/story/city-vague-response-shad-khans-proposed-indoor-practice-field-near
Also here's a nugget that probably leads to the city's vague response:
QuoteKhan said Tuesday the facility would be built with "mostly our money." It's not clear if he will ask for city investment. He also made reference Tuesday to a recent amendment the city approved this summer to the Jaguars stadium lease that would grant him certain privileges to move forward on the practice field.
Shad Khan has moved very rapidly on all projects he gets involved with. It's apparent that the snail's pace with which all things Jacksonville gets bogged down in is too slow for him. I have a feeling that Mr. Curry will slow things down even further. I'm glad that he's building the facility. And to me it shows he is very committed to the Shipyard project. I think we should be thankful that we have someone in our city with the money and influence to want to tackle this project and surely get other investors involved. It may not be what we all ultimately want for the site but after nearly three decades of "fits and starts" and still nothing, it's time for someone to step up to the plate. By the way I don't see anyone beating down our doors to develop this piece of property. Sometimes "good things come to those who wait." Maybe Shad Khan and his commitment to our city is the "good things."
With the Curry admin, that city money faucet that Khan is used to will run dry like the Mojave desert. It comes to a point where enough is enough. I'm speaking as a person that loves the renovations to Everbank Field.
As this is "mostly his money" and this is a public stadium, the issue is more permission to build on the stadium property and who retains ownership rights, similar to The Landing. My guess is the public money is more for infrastructure; power, water, sewer, roads, sidewalks, etc. The more this is a world class facility, the more events will follow. The more events leads to a demand for services, ie hotels and restaurants , in the area. All of this can contribute tax revenue.
We should find out soon enough. If this thing is to open before next season's training camp, construction needs to start ASAP.
Quote from: I-10east on September 03, 2015, 08:13:05 AM
With the Curry admin, that city money faucet that Khan is used to will run dry like the Mojave desert. It comes to a point where enough is enough. I'm speaking as a person that loves the renovations to Everbank Field.
I will believe that when I see it
*Very* true, Ennis. I'm definitely curious to see what they can go ahead and get started on (hopefully an indoor facility very similar to what the Cowboys are doing) but disappointed we can't charge hard, overall, with The Shipyards project. As Khan has said, he is zeroing in on controlling that which he can conceivably control, and as he has hinted, he's hopeful the city will eventually catch up with him and move forward. This fretting about city-contributed money . . . I mean, get real people.
This is a good read on Roger Goodell and the NFL from the Washington Post; Shad is influential, and that's very good for us:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/sports/roger-goodells-spheres-of-influence/1813/
Give this man what he needs and get the heck out of the way.
Quote from: jaxjags on September 03, 2015, 10:45:20 AM
As this is "mostly his money" and this is a public stadium, the issue is more permission to build on the stadium property and who retains ownership rights, similar to The Landing. My guess is the public money is more for infrastructure; power, water, sewer, roads, sidewalks, etc.
This is how I understand it as well. The property in question is city owned, but per Amendment 13 of the lease, the land is considered Demised Premises (i.e. transferred to the Jaguars to do with as they see fit for the duration of the lease). My guess is that the Jaguars will probably be willing to front most of the cost for building the facility, but will expect the city to pay for maintenance, upkeep, and necessary infrastructure improvements. Per Amendment 13, if there are sporting events at the stadium (like Florida/Georgia), the visiting teams would have access to the new training facility the day before the game. Wording is vague, but I believe the Jags would have the right to sell naming rights and ad-space for the new facility, and keep the proceeds.
Permitting already....or something else
EverBank, 301 W. Bay St., contractor is Auld & White Constructors, five permits totaling $2,637,855.
^Auld & White did Moxie at the Town Center, as well as the Jax Chamber of Commerce renovation.
Quote from: 02roadking on September 08, 2015, 12:06:47 PM
Permitting already....or something else
EverBank, 301 W. Bay St., contractor is Auld & White Constructors, five permits totaling $2,637,855.
Auld and White is doing the Intuition Ale renovation at Bay and Randolph for about that much.
It would be nice if they use the IPF as a multi-purpose building rather than just for practices like many schools are doing across the country. VIP tailgating at least would be nice.
Quote from: 02roadking on September 08, 2015, 12:06:47 PM
Permitting already....or something else
EverBank, 301 W. Bay St., contractor is Auld & White Constructors, five permits totaling $2,637,855.
That's the address for Everbank Center, not Everbank Field. Everbank Field is on East Bay Street, which actually turns into Gator Bowl Blvd by that point.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 08, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: 02roadking on September 08, 2015, 12:06:47 PM
Permitting already....or something else
EverBank, 301 W. Bay St., contractor is Auld & White Constructors, five permits totaling $2,637,855.
That's the address for Everbank Center, not Everbank Field. Everbank Field is on East Bay Street, which actually turns into Gator Bowl Blvd by that point.
http://www.auld-white.com/projects/commercial/everbank-center-tenant-improvements/
I shouda known that
Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 08, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: 02roadking on September 08, 2015, 12:06:47 PM
Permitting already....or something else
EverBank, 301 W. Bay St., contractor is Auld & White Constructors, five permits totaling $2,637,855.
That's the address for Everbank Center, not Everbank Field. Everbank Field is on East Bay Street, which actually turns into Gator Bowl Blvd by that point.
It probably has something to do with getting the building ready for Citizens Property Insurance. In recent weeks, they've been working on the elevator banks and other tenant improvements.
Update, courtesy the FTU:
Quote"We've been talking to the city and we've got the plans pretty much [fleshed] out," Khan said. "I'm super excited. There are a number of things — redoing the club, the practice facility, and other amenities in the complex — that would serve the community and generate revenue.
"The important thing is, we're talking to the city. We need them to sprinkle the holy water and then we'll be able to start."
Last month, Khan said he would pay for the indoor practice facility primarily himself. The going rate for a facility is $30 million. Asked Thursday if he remains intent on kicking in at least $20 million to help the project along, Khan said: "When it's all said and done, our contribution will be significantly higher than that. Significantly higher."
The Jaguars don't own the stadium or the land around it so an agreement with the city must be reached before construction begins.
"We have to get the right to build on somebody else's land and we would certainly want control over the [facility]," Lamping said. "We view it as serving all of the needs of the football team, but also see it as a multipurpose building that could be used for other events, football- and not-football-related, as long as it doesn't conflict with the team's needs."
Lamping said the ideal scenario is for the Jaguars to begin construction on the club-seat area and the indoor practice facility this off-season.
Quote"The important thing is, we're talking to the city. We need them to sprinkle the holy water and then we'll be able to start."
LOL, I love this quote. I also see the completion date is much more realistic now.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 23, 2015, 01:54:59 PM
Quote"The important thing is, we're talking to the city. We need them to sprinkle the holy water and then we'll be able to start."
LOL, I love this quote. I also see the completion date is much more realistic now.
Ha, yeah, funny how that happens.
What is the going rate for holy water? Do you think the city could swing it?
Hmmmmmm . . . .
QuoteAsked Thursday if he remains intent on kicking in at least $20 million to help the project along, Khan said: "When it's all said and done, our contribution will be significantly higher than that. Significantly higher."
My, my. That could prove to be *very* interesting. Not just a practice facility but an entertainment venue, perhaps ? ? ?
Does the practice facility cost include parking garages to replace the displaced parking?
I'm not familiar with the Dallas proposed facility but the Colts indoor training facility is a large....LARGE..... air suspended facility almost in the next county.
Quote from: Overstreet on October 26, 2015, 09:32:55 PM
Does the practice facility cost include parking garages to replace the displaced parking?
I'm not familiar with the Dallas proposed facility but the Colts indoor training facility is a large....LARGE..... air suspended facility almost in the next county.
Inb4 "there's plenty of parking downtown already" LOL
If they need to use portions of the existing parking lots for the practice facility, they can always turn the current practice fields into new parking after construction on the practice facility is complete.
After seeing video of Khan's interview with the media in London (http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Khan-and-Lamping-with-the-media/b75f65cb-7333-4c01-a2ea-b838007dd6f9), where he talks about its eventual integration with the Shipyards (starts at 13:18), even mentioning elevated walkways between the sites, I have a feeling this is going to be a lot more impressive than some people might have initially expected (myself included). I'll be interested to see how the facility is tied into the stadium since they'll be very close.