Apparently the 3 year old hole in Liberty Street has just become a total street collapse.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/part-of-liberty-street-collapses-into-st-johns-river/31036886
Wow. I guess it's a little bigger than a pothole now!
(http://www.news4jax.com/image/view/-/31036728/medRes/1/-/maxh/360/maxw/640/-/157yaca/-/Liberty-street-2-JPG--1-.jpg) (http://www.news4jax.com/image/view/-/31036712/highRes/2/-/w/240/-/nuvyce/-/Liberty-street-1-jpg.jpg)
http://www.news4jax.com/news/part-of-liberty-street-collapses-into-st-johns-river/31036886
Yep, we sure do a great job investing in our downtown.
FDOT was planning to replace these decks in 2020. The estimated cost is $33.1 million. See page 8 in the link below:
http://d2wpph.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Duval.pdf
The City has been in engaged in a lawsuit with a contractor that was working on the Berkman garage (and no I don't mean Berkman II garage)...they were working in the area when first hole happened 3 years ago. Maybe now the City will fix it regardless of the lawsuit.
As for FDOT, I think they were going to do the required PD&E study in 2014/2015 but then delayed. For those thinking "this is a local road" FDOT has responsibility for pretty much all bridges in the state.
city council actually approved funding for the original hole last week. Let's how long this one takes.
My only main concern is people's safety at this point, versus a status quo of negative memes. It's safe to say that is is a very complex situation (back & forth between FDOT & the city) and most streets aren't built over rivers.
Quote from: Tacachale on February 01, 2015, 05:45:34 PM
Yep, we sure do a great job investing in our downtown.
Who is we?? The FDOT?
I never liked that plan to build a vast concrete deck over a river to begin with. It seems like that would be an inspection nightmare, considerably more difficult than a normal bridge. That prior situation was far from a normal 'patch & go' pothole issue. I wouldn't even consider that a 'pothole', to be that, you have to have a 'bottom'. The city did the right thing roping it off, and staying out of that mess that the FDOT was responsible for.
This situation was considered important enough to run in the Miami Herald....
Portion of Jacksonville road collapses into river
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/article8930390.html
What a mess
Have Clay or Don blamed "teh Gays" yet?
Not sure if anyone has noticed or not but the intersection of Market St. and Coastline Drive is also in motion. A dip in the bricks has appeared over the past few months. This is right where they had to make emergency repairs in 2007.
Photos from January 2007:
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/northbank_riverwalk_collapse/DSC_0010.jpg)
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/northbank_riverwalk_collapse/DSC_0009.jpg)
I would hate to be a Berkman Townhouse owner. Isn't that built over the river as well?
Why was it a necessity to extend liberty st so far out into the river in the first place? Was it solely to feed the parking deck or what?
Quote from: vicupstate on February 02, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
I would hate to be a Berkman Townhouse owner. Isn't that built over the river as well?
I was always uncertain about Berman ever since the garage collapse on phase II in 07. Didn't trust the contruction enough to consider moving there ever since. And besides just being an out of place, cheesy and cheaply designed building on the waterfront, it always looked sorta crooked or leaning to me when I view it from the Wyndham side of things. Weird optical illusion or maybe just me? Lol
Quote from: Marle Brando on February 02, 2015, 09:16:41 AM
Why was it a necessity to extend liberty st so far out into the river in the first place? Was it solely to feed the parking deck or what?
To clear industrial blight and provide additional parking of course. Here's what this block looked like in 1959 before the construction of the parking deck.
(https://www.floridamemory.com/fpc/reference/rc03199.jpg)
State Archives of Florida, Florida Memory, http://floridamemory.com/items/show/26866
(https://www.floridamemory.com/fpc/reference/rc17827.jpg)
State Archives of Florida, Florida Memory, http://floridamemory.com/items/show/39090
With that said, is there a negative in removing the entire deck and using the lion's share of the $33 million in bridge replacement funds for something else?
$33 million is a lot of money for a parking lot. How much is that per space?
Quote from: Marle Brando on February 02, 2015, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on February 02, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
I would hate to be a Berkman Townhouse owner. Isn't that built over the river as well?
I was always uncertain about Berman ever since the garage collapse on phase II in 07. Didn't trust the contruction enough to consider moving there ever since. And besides just being an out of place, cheesy and cheaply designed building on the waterfront, it always looked sorta crooked or leaning to me when I view it from the Wyndham side of things. Weird optical illusion or maybe just me? Lol
The townhouses are also built on piers, but it is completely different construction from the street "bridge". I think those townhouses are great, and I wish there were more of them. Cheesy? Cheaply designed? Crooked? I don't know where any of that comes from.
Quote from: downtownbrown on February 02, 2015, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: Marle Brando on February 02, 2015, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on February 02, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
I would hate to be a Berkman Townhouse owner. Isn't that built over the river as well?
I was always uncertain about Berman ever since the garage collapse on phase II in 07. Didn't trust the contruction enough to consider moving there ever since. And besides just being an out of place, cheesy and cheaply designed building on the waterfront, it always looked sorta crooked or leaning to me when I view it from the Wyndham side of things. Weird optical illusion or maybe just me? Lol
The townhouses are also built on piers, but it is completely different construction from the street "bridge". I think those townhouses are great, and I wish there were more of them. Cheesy? Cheaply designed? Crooked? I don't know where any of that comes from.
Yeah, those townhouses are pretty nice.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 02, 2015, 09:39:17 AM
With that said, is there a negative in removing the entire deck and using the lion's share of the $33 million in bridge replacement funds for something else?
Yeah, that's a ton of money to be spending on a structure that doesn't seem suited to ever be anything but a parking lot. Especially considering it's the parking lot for a vacant building with no firm plans.
It will be interesting to see if the state engineers believe that the parking lot and road is viable long term. Turning it back into river would change the conversation about downtown just a tad.
Thanks Lake. I wonder if they have thought about removing the deck since the courthouse will be obsolete soon. And guys I too love the townhouses..it's the actual tower I think is offensive in design. The townhouses I think are actually cool looking. That tower should be on jax beach somewhere.
From some of the folks interviewed on TV said, there may be some townhouses available very soon. More than one has said they are moving out.
Timing is everything!
I have kayaked underneath the Deck. At low tide it is possible to get way back in there. Excellent fishing around the pilings, the eerie light beams piercing through from the grates above. Giant Redfish. Spooky. This is Noone's thing- I've made a couple of excursions.(Luckily,the collapse was at 1 am.....)
And some of the most vivid images are of the deterioration. Rusty beams,flanges,chunks of metal hanging,after all,it's a salt-ish water environment....and best of all,obvious attempts to shore up,reinforce; fresh lumber, shinny new fasteners here and there.It's obvious there have been some attempts at keeping it up.
I have often thought of the corner Town Homes atop the Heap.The construction below the Townhouses does not seem that much different,and in fact is a site of obvious patches.
Perhaps,blessidly,the condos too will be condemned and go away. Some how,God is telling us the immediate waterfront strip is too valuable for private residence. And perhaps, removing the deck and re-establishing open water, maybe constructed cove, might prove efficacious.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on February 02, 2015, 08:56:27 PM
From some of the folks interviewed on TV said, there may be some townhouses available very soon. More than one has said they are moving out.
Timing is everything!
I heard a whiney renter who felt "unsafe", but I doubt there will me much exodus. I think it's great that the whole parking lot is closed until a complete inspection can be done. That ought to be an interesting report.
Meanwhile, no one at JEA is saying when power will be restored to the townhouses. Weeks, probably.
Quote from: downtownbrown on February 03, 2015, 09:19:39 AM
Meanwhile, no one at JEA is saying when power will be restored to the townhouses. Weeks, probably.
We should probably change the pothole party to a birth celebration. It won't be long before the new hole is 3 years old. They just grow up so fast.
yeah, pretty ridiculous this has been an ongoing issue for three years, thank goodness there were cars or people on that section when it collapsed.
nice to see the media cover this hole. A mysterious kayaker named Nooney was interviewed today by Roger Weeder. Apparently Noone is retiring from under cover fishing for a while
Quote from: Lunican on February 02, 2015, 09:46:36 AM
$33 million is a lot of money for a parking lot. How much is that per space?
I don't know precisely how many spots there are, but just a quick look at it, it looks as though there are about 25 of those diagonal parking spots per row and about 12 of those rows (6 face-to-face) and then there are those parallel spots on both side and lastly the ones facing Courthouse Drive. Rough approximation, we're looking at around $100,000+ per spot.
My first thoughts were; "Oh shit! Where's Noone!"
This entire north bank area is effected by the continuous sweep and current of the river as it makes the bend under the Acosta. Bridge scour is deadly to over water structures and this one is no different. I'd also bet you dollars that the long delayed, half efforts at a complete underwater Matthews and Hart Bridge inspection are going to turn up similar dire issues. Call this simply a clear warning of things to come.
^hard to dispute that theory. Clearly, the current is pretty violent on the north bank. no telling what that does over time without robust maintenance
Quote from: taylormiller on February 03, 2015, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: Lunican on February 02, 2015, 09:46:36 AM
$33 million is a lot of money for a parking lot. How much is that per space?
I don't know precisely how many spots there are, but just a quick look at it, it looks as though there are about 25 of those diagonal parking spots per row and about 12 of those rows (6 face-to-face) and then there are those parallel spots on both side and lastly the ones facing Courthouse Drive. Rough approximation, we're looking at around $100,000+ per spot.
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which means if we're going to spend $33 million rebuilding the structure, we should make sure it can handle the weight of a building (like the Hyatt and Landing sites).
My bad. $33 million is just for the reconstruction of Liberty Street and Coastline Drive. The reconstruction of the actual parking deck would significantly add to that cost.
IMO the real big negative issue is this power issue at the Berkman, moreso than a hole on the ass end of a street with very little traffic use and a defunct Courthouse parking lot.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 01, 2015, 05:43:40 PM
Wow. I guess it's a little bigger than a pothole now!
(http://www.news4jax.com/image/view/-/31036728/medRes/1/-/maxh/360/maxw/640/-/157yaca/-/Liberty-street-2-JPG--1-.jpg) (http://www.news4jax.com/image/view/-/31036712/highRes/2/-/w/240/-/nuvyce/-/Liberty-street-1-jpg.jpg)
http://www.news4jax.com/news/part-of-liberty-street-collapses-into-st-johns-river/31036886
This city. This Region. Stay positive.
This is an organic Urban Fishing hole. Seriously.
Circle the Food Trucks. This is a 501-c dream.
Catch Bubba!
Stay positive.
The River is half full
Are there any cities with similar 'large floating infrastructure' if you get my drift? Is it normal for a city to have a block supported by piers over a body of water? This seems like a dumb idea from the 50's. Luckily the FDOT is in charge of that mess. I think that any collapse is usually spectacular and flashy like it's the end of the world, but in reality the only thing this is effecting is the Berkman. Luckily the Duval judicial system got the hell outta there in time.
I say that the FDOT should go like Dubai/NYC and extend the bulkhead with artificial land or just tear it down altogether. Really the only thing that would be saved is a few yards of the Riverwalk, and I truly question whether it's existence is even feasible. Why in the hell would Berkman or whoever install lines underneath that thing instead of within the bulkhead?
Interesting alternative to put in a proper bulkhead and put actual fill dirt in. You could create a real green space that way, and somewhere in florida there would be a huge new lake (or a much deeper river).
Quote from: I-10east on February 04, 2015, 10:08:36 AM
Are there any cities with similar 'large floating infrastructure' if you get my drift? Is it normal for a city to have a block supported by piers over a body of water? This seems like a dumb idea from the 50's. Luckily the FDOT is in charge of that mess. I think that any collapse is usually spectacular and flashy like it's the end of the world, but in reality the only thing this is effecting is the Berkman. Luckily the Duval judicial system got the hell outta there in time.
More common than you might think. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/nyregion/cleaner-new-york-harbor-brings-pests-that-plague-park-projects.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Quote from: downtownbrown on February 04, 2015, 10:25:05 AM
Interesting alternative to put in a proper bulkhead and put actual fill dirt in. You could create a real green space that way, and somewhere in florida there would be a huge new lake (or a much deeper river).
Isn't the river something like 60' deep in this area? That's a lot of fill dirt.
^^^Damn, I didn't know it was that deep. Deeper than our channel, really?
I'm not sure how deep it is at the end, but I know that the Berkman marina is not deep at all. A lot of sandbars pushed up by the current.
the center of the river is as much as 70' deep through parts of the downtown area....but obviously at the shoreline it is far less.
Also, the current moves pretty fast through downtown as it is...imagine how much faster it would be if we built a bulkhead and filled in this area!
True that. As it is, the River City Marina is considered one of the hardest places to dock in the whole State.
Isn't an idea just to remove the floating parking lot? Reroute the river walk around that block.
Realistically, anything substantial built there would require it to be filled in, and we have plenty of lots downtown that are vacant. Do we need another?
Quote from: Steve on February 04, 2015, 05:41:59 PM
Isn't an idea just to remove the floating parking lot? Reroute the river walk around that block.
Realistically, anything substantial built there would require it to be filled in, and we have plenty of lots downtown that are vacant. Do we need another?
I totally agree.
Like I keep saying, one good thing about it, atleast it's in the hands of the state. Worst case, they tear down the deck, and reroute the riverwalk; Best case, the FDOT redoes the river deck, and it lasts another 50-60 years or so.
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/morning-edition/2015/02/editorial-liberty-street-collapse-shows-larger.html?ana=e_du_pub&s=article_du&ed=2015-02-05&u=WlI+uS2dnrpUQEXzA1dC%2FQ0a72b012&t=1423167604
the natives are restless. This event just might be a positive catalyst. Nice to see all the attention.
Quote from: I-10east on February 04, 2015, 06:00:12 PM
Like I keep saying, one good thing about it, atleast it's in the hands of the state. Worst case, they tear down the deck, and reroute the riverwalk; Best case, the FDOT redoes the river deck, and it lasts another 50-60 years or so.
I believe the city would be the one footing the bill.
We're obviously a city that loves to blow things up. In this case, I'd recommend giving into our demolition craze the getting rid of the deck and "bridges" as opposed to paying millions to rebuild them. Reconfigure the riverwalk to go along the west, north and east sides of the "newly created" waterfront and turn it into a marina or wharf with tour boats, charter fishing vessels, etc.
Quote from: edjax on February 05, 2015, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: I-10east on February 04, 2015, 06:00:12 PM
Like I keep saying, one good thing about it, atleast it's in the hands of the state. Worst case, they tear down the deck, and reroute the riverwalk; Best case, the FDOT redoes the river deck, and it lasts another 50-60 years or so.
I believe the city would be the one footing the bill.
FDOT will be inspecting the "bridges" (Coastal and Liberty) but the city will be inspecting the parking lot. if it's not sound, I can't see how it could be rebuilt. Best to turn it back into river
Quote from: thelakelander on February 05, 2015, 04:44:08 PM
We're obviously a city that loves to blow things up. In this case, I'd recommend giving into our demolition craze the getting rid of the deck and "bridges" as opposed to paying millions to rebuild them. Reconfigure the riverwalk to go along the west, north and east sides of the "newly created" waterfront and turn it into a marina or wharf with tour boats, charter fishing vessels, etc.
Love this idea!
Quote from: downtownbrown on February 05, 2015, 05:57:15 PM
Quote from: edjax on February 05, 2015, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: I-10east on February 04, 2015, 06:00:12 PM
Like I keep saying, one good thing about it, atleast it's in the hands of the state. Worst case, they tear down the deck, and reroute the riverwalk; Best case, the FDOT redoes the river deck, and it lasts another 50-60 years or so.
I believe the city would be the one footing the bill.
FDOT will be inspecting the "bridges" (Coastal and Liberty) but the city will be inspecting the parking lot. if it's not sound, I can't see how it could be rebuilt. Best to turn it back into river
FDOT has $33 million budgeted in 2020 for the bridge replacement of Coastline Drive and Liberty Street. The former courthouse parking lot is not included in that number. At this point, I'd rather see the entire thing come down and that $33 million invested in something else......assuming it can stay local.
^it would take a bunch of that 33 million to demolish it
^If $33 million is the replacement cost, I assume a portion of that is to demolish. I'd suggest only demolishing, modifying the riverwalk and letting FDOT spent their remaining funds budgeted for this site elsewhere. Sort of like Orlando using FDOT to resurface Edgewater Drive as a lane diet and then FDOT handing over future maintenance to Orlando.
Replacing both streets and the parking lot cost a lot more money than $33 million. However, at some point (possibly in the near future) we're going to have to do. All talk about replacing aging infrastructure in downtown usually involves the Mathews Bridge or the Hart Bridge's viaduct through the Sports District. We rarely think about this large block as being an aging bridge itself. Instead we've discussed putting a convention center on it or turning it into a park. Since it's already literally falling into the river, neither of those ideas may be financially prudent. Perhaps the better answer is to remove the 1950s bridge? If we did remove it, what could that space become? A marina? wharf, waterfront spot for fishing? a better/centralized site for the USS Adams? It's an interesting conversation that we haven't seriously considered at this point.
a little perspective: if the hole was caused by a single structural failure (the simplest possible circumstance), it would take at least 12 months to make the repair (including demo, design, proposal, bids, actual construction). Add to that the time it would take City Council to appropriate the money (6 months at least based on the other hole experience). so best possible case is a year and a half from the time the structural forensics are complete.
So to be realistic, i'd say double that. No Liberty Street until at least 2018. Get your brain around that.
...and no power to those townhomes yet. How many neighborhoods in Jax go without power for over a week because of some city structural failure? I doubt there will be power a week from now. And no action by FDOT yet. I hope the media stays on this. Getting to be kind of outrageous.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 05, 2015, 06:45:56 PM
^If $33 million is the replacement cost, I assume a portion of that is to demolish. I'd suggest only demolishing, modifying the riverwalk and letting FDOT spent their remaining funds budgeted for this site elsewhere. Sort of like Orlando using FDOT to resurface Edgewater Drive as a lane diet and then FDOT handing over future maintenance to Orlando.
Replacing both streets and the parking lot cost a lot more money than $33 million. However, at some point (possibly in the near future) we're going to have to do. All talk about replacing aging infrastructure in downtown usually involves the Mathews Bridge or the Hart Bridge's viaduct through the Sports District. We rarely think about this large block as being an aging bridge itself. Instead we've discussed putting a convention center on it or turning it into a park. Since it's already literally falling into the river, neither of those ideas may be financially prudent. Perhaps the better answer is to remove the 1950s bridge? If we did remove it, what could that space become? A marina? wharf, waterfront spot for fishing? a better/centralized site for the USS Adams? It's an interesting conversation that we haven't seriously considered at this point.
So would FDOT be responsible for the cost of demolishing the whole bridge?
FDOT only owns the "bridges" that we know as South Liberty St. and Coastal Drive. The parking lot is the city's. I'm sure the solution will be to fix the holes on Liberty only. That is, if FDOT and the city determine that the rest of the structure is sound.
It will take a good deal of convincing if the state and city announce that the hole is an isolated incident. Inspection by remote device begins tomorrow.
FDOT already has plans to replace the bridges for $33 million in 2020. This means, some form of demolition will take place within 10 years anyway. Whatever happens now is only a patch up job.
^I wonder what sort of engineering scope and timeline replacing the whole thing entails.
Quote from: downtownbrown on February 09, 2015, 10:12:23 AM
...and no power to those townhomes yet. How many neighborhoods in Jax go without power for over a week because of some city structural failure? I doubt there will be power a week from now. And no action by FDOT yet. I hope the media stays on this. Getting to be kind of outrageous.
I find it odd that JEA is getting a complete pass on it taking 2 weeks to get a temporary generator out there!
There isnt an important enough person living in the townhomes with no power.
Perhaps someone should grab some art from MOCA and place it prominently around the collapse so Clay can email Alvin on it so he can bring it up with JEA on the pension extortion meeting, then JEA can threaten to shut off the power to FDOT lightpoles and signals until they agree to pay for the needed generators....but the generators cant be placed until a COJ permit can be issued and the permit is being held up becuase Clay can still see the MOCA artwork from their office windows.
Such is life in the workings of the bold city.
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 09, 2015, 12:02:06 PM
Quote from: downtownbrown on February 09, 2015, 10:12:23 AM
...and no power to those townhomes yet. How many neighborhoods in Jax go without power for over a week because of some city structural failure? I doubt there will be power a week from now. And no action by FDOT yet. I hope the media stays on this. Getting to be kind of outrageous.
I find it odd that JEA is getting a complete pass on it taking 2 weeks to get a temporary generator out there!
The electrical systems on the townhome side were damaged, and haven't been repaired to the point they can accept power; permanent or generator power.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/homeowners-upset-after-week-without-electricity-du/nj6qX/
^ that's right. JEA stops at the edge of the townhome property. The private contractor needs to fix the system so it can accept power. That will not be soon.
I would advise the city to make those residents whole on their out of pocket ordeal. No sense wasting time on litigation. Imagine if the bridge collapse caused damage to the townhome/parking garage structure. A significant budgetary line item, to be sure.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 05, 2015, 06:07:41 PM
FDOT has $33 million budgeted in 2020 for the bridge replacement of Coastline Drive and Liberty Street. The former courthouse parking lot is not included in that number. At this point, I'd rather see the entire thing come down and that $33 million invested in something else......assuming it can stay local.
Actually, not true. The FDOT is changing their Repair/Replacement program and has taken this project out of their work program. The city has no idea what that means in terms of money for repairs.
^ Road bridges in Florida are under FDOT's jurisdiction. This is their job!
For information to all who are reading. The town homes association name is "The Riverwalk Townhomes at The Plaza."
Yes the Riverwalk Townhomes are built over water, but they are built on a foundation of driven concrete pilings, not on the original pilings supporting the old parking lot and bridge.
The cables that were torn out of a JEA transformer by the colloapse of Liberty Street provide power to Riverwalk lighting behind our homes and sidewalk lighting in front of our homes (both City property) as well as powering our homes. So then, the power source for those cables is shared between the townhomes and the City. How then can the City and JEA say that the townhome owners are solely responsible for replacing those cables?
If the townhome owners bear the full responsibility for replacing the cables destroyed by the collapse of Liberty Street, can those home owners then refuse to allow the city to use their private cables to power the Riverwalk and sidewalk lighting without paying the townhome owners for the right to tap into private cables?
^interesting. Too much politics not even one step closer towards a solution. I feel the town home owners are being unfairly victimized by the process. The city 'found' money through its self auditing so maybe some should be diverted to at least getting these residents some form of power ASAP. Come on Jacksonville!
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 10, 2015, 10:10:28 AM
^ Road bridges in Florida are under FDOT's jurisdiction. This is their job!
Yes, but the point is that $33 million for replacement in 2020 doesn't exist anymore.
Quote from: Charley on February 10, 2015, 10:26:56 AM
For information to all who are reading. The town homes association name is "The Riverwalk Townhomes at The Plaza."
Yes the Riverwalk Townhomes are built over water, but they are built on a foundation of driven concrete pilings, not on the original pilings supporting the old parking lot and bridge.
The cables that were torn out of a JEA transformer by the colloapse of Liberty Street provide power to Riverwalk lighting behind our homes and sidewalk lighting in front of our homes (both City property) as well as powering our homes. So then, the power source for those cables is shared between the townhomes and the City. How then can the City and JEA say that the townhome owners are solely responsible for replacing those cables?
If the townhome owners bear the full responsibility for replacing the cables destroyed by the collapse of Liberty Street, can those home owners then refuse to allow the city to use their private cables to power the Riverwalk and sidewalk lighting without paying the townhome owners for the right to tap into private cables?
JEA doesn't go on private property. They wouldn't wire your house, and they won't wire the townhomes.
Quote from: downtownbrown on February 10, 2015, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 10, 2015, 10:10:28 AM
^ Road bridges in Florida are under FDOT's jurisdiction. This is their job!
Yes, but the point is that $33 million for replacement in 2020 doesn't exist anymore.
Do you have a link to this information?
^ I don't. Info came from Public Works.
Hmm. Although it doesn't mean the money is available right now, as of three months ago it was included and still shows up on FDOT's site:
http://d2wpph.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Duval.pdf
Could Public Works be wrong?
The FDOT Work Program gets submitted each March to the Legislature for approval. If approved, it is effective July 1, 2015. And of course it can, and often is, amended.
Perhaps Public Works is confused because FDOT did push the project back from FY 2017 to FY 2020.
apparently FDOT is in the process of revamping the program, but PW did say they took it off the list.
Perhaps it will be added back since a portion of the bridge is now sitting in the river?
Perhaps. But who knows what timeframe they would select? My guess is the loss of those bridges is permanent.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/robotic-cameras-aid-in-liberty-street-inspection/31194436
should be a fun City Council meeting.
Remember these words from the 2013 bridge inspections of both Liberty Street and Coastal Drive:
"...BASICALLY INTOLERABLE REQUIRING HIGH PRIORITY OF CORRECTIVE ACTION".
...and yet we couldn't get the original hole repaired...
The city owns the bridges... They are off system bridges in the FDOT's parlance. When the sufficiency rating of an off system bridge falls below a specific number, the FDOT uses funds to work on the replacement. Understand that most off system bridges are small puddle jumpers and don't require millions to replace. This project is just too big to fit into that program.
City will have power back on at Liberty Street townhomes in 14 days
Feb 12, 2015, 8:17pm EST Updated: Feb 13, 2015, 9:58am EST
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The city of Jacksonville will pay the entire cost of restoring power to the Liberty Street residents who have been without power for two weeks following the collapse of the road on Feb. 1
Under the emergency purchasing power, the city is taking immediate action to expedite power on a permanent basis for residents in as early as 14 days — a process that could take up to 180 days under normal circumstances, mayoral spokesman David DeCamp said during a press conference.
The city has setup a liaison for townhome residents to claim expenses incurred, such as temporary housing, during the blackout. The repairs are estimated to cost less than $200,000, DeCamp said.
The action avoids the need for temporary generator power and moves straight to a permanent solution, Public Works Director Jim Robinson said.
"All along since the collapse [the city] has been working diligently toward a solution," DeCamp said. "We want to help the residents and we will restore connections."
Without the city's financial help, the residents at the Riverwalk Townhomes at the Plaza said they do not have the resources to cover both a temporary power restoration and a permanent fix.
The first step to bringing the power back online will be to hire a contractor. JEA will fly in two transformers by helicopter on Sunday or Monday, Robinson said. "Then, we'll start on the conduit work so that we're done by the time the new meter centers arrive."
After power to the homes is restored, the city will begin the longer process of repairing the hole in Liberty Street.
Quote from: Lunican on February 02, 2015, 08:40:21 AM
Not sure if anyone has noticed or not but the intersection of Market St. and Coastline Drive is also in motion. A dip in the bricks has appeared over the past few months. This is right where they had to make emergency repairs in 2007.
Photos from January 2007:
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/northbank_riverwalk_collapse/DSC_0010.jpg)
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/northbank_riverwalk_collapse/DSC_0009.jpg)
The repairs were made between Market and Newnan near the three large mooring dolphins in 2007. There was also a repair made midway between Market and Liberty on Coastline drive. That was another collapse that happened in 2006/2007. There have been 4 distinct collapses since 2006. If there is movement at Market, that might make 5....
Stating the obvious, but how many band-aids are we going to put on this thing? I think it's obvious the whole thing needs to go. Ensure access to the Berkman Garage and Hyatt drop-off loop (which might be able to be accomplished by closing coastline drive and accessing from Market and Newnan) and call it a day.
Quote from: 120North on February 13, 2015, 12:32:55 PM
The city owns the bridges... They are off system bridges in the FDOT's parlance. When the sufficiency rating of an off system bridge falls below a specific number, the FDOT uses funds to work on the replacement. Understand that most off system bridges are small puddle jumpers and don't require millions to replace. This project is just too big to fit into that program.
clearly. Now it's just a matter of how long it takes for someone with the political courage to call it what it is, and get on with the demolition. I hope it's soon, but I doubt it. No money.
for all of you concerned citizens, the Riverwalk Townhomes finally had power restored today. im guessing that's a record outage.
Channel 4 reporting that repairs are "one step closer"
QuoteThe area collapsed into the St. Johns River more than two months ago. It was the second collapse of the road over the past three years.
The original collapse, which happened in April 2012, was never fixed.
The first collapse was determined to be the fault of a contractor using a 12-ton crane to clean the Berkman Plaza's windows, but the city allocated $750,000 for those repairs. Repair work was set to start on that when the latest collapse happened.
On Tuesday, City Councilwoman Lori Boyer introduced an emergency bill that would reallocate money from that $750,000 to move ahead with a necessary assessment of the damage from the second collapse.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/liberty-street-repairs-moving-forward/32379880 (http://www.news4jax.com/news/liberty-street-repairs-moving-forward/32379880)
It's good to see that someone, at least, is finally working to clean up this debacle.
So in two weeks they will vote on a bill to appropriate money for the assessment of the damage.
#nextlevel, baby.
Quote from: Lunican on April 15, 2015, 06:15:40 PM
So in two weeks they will vote on a bill to appropriate money for the assessment of the damage.
Or in other words, what we like to call a "study". Lol
This is going to be pretty tedious for a while. The BIG DAY will be when the comprehensive assessment of the whole structure is released. That's when I hope to hear it is all beyond repair and must be demolished. But first they have to get money to do the 2nd hole demo, bid that out, do the work, and clear the way for the divers...
So this is just a thought. They should destroy the parking lot and use the crushed concrete to create oyster beds in the river. MOSH can have a exhibit set up and someone can open a little seafood cafe on the water that uses a percentage of the oysters for food. The rest will simply sit in the water and filter the river, allowing COJ to take at least one baby step towards actually meeting river quality standards because oysters are EXTREMELY good at cleaning water. Maybe this could even start our own billion oyster project like NYC https://www.billionoysterproject.org/
I think it would for anything bigger than a kayak or paddle boat. But maybe that's a good thing. Plus I'm sure you could set the beds in such a way that you could provide channels for recreational boating.
That's a good idea for inshore. Jacksonville Municipal Marina for where it gets deep. And don't forget, the courthouse footprint is big enough for a very significant development.
If they just fix Liberty and reopen the roads and parking lot, that will set development back years. It's a fugly structure, and of almost no utility for downtown.
Quote from: UNFurbanist on April 16, 2015, 10:55:52 AM
So this is just a thought. They should destroy the parking lot and use the crushed concrete to create oyster beds in the river. MOSH can have a exhibit set up and someone can open a little seafood cafe on the water that uses a percentage of the oysters for food. The rest will simply sit in the water and filter the river, allowing COJ to take at least one baby step towards actually meeting river quality standards because oysters are EXTREMELY good at cleaning water. Maybe this could even start our own billion oyster project like NYC https://www.billionoysterproject.org/
I really like this. We need our oyster beds back!
I agree downtownbrown, I personally think that the courthouse spot would be a prime location for a new convention center that connects to the Hyatt via a sky bridge. Having a well designed and inviting river space right next to it would be even better.
A FCN report: Broken Below the Surface. City knew about the northbank roads' weaknesses, e-mails show.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/2015/04/20/city-had-hints-about-road-weakness-emails-show/26089691/
Not surprising, but sad.
Glad to see they believe the best option going forward is to tear it down.
Quote from: thelakelander on April 21, 2015, 09:49:43 AM
Glad to see they believe the best option going forward is to tear it down.
absolutely. But I seriously doubt City Council will approve the $8 million. They should immediately begin the RFP process to redevelop the courthouse. Maybe they can tie in the two projects. Anyone know why the city takes so much time to do the obvious?
Lack of leadership and a mismanaged budget. Election Day is May 19.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 21, 2015, 10:40:39 AM
Lack of leadership and a mismanaged budget. Election Day is May 19.
I am completely confident in Lenny Curry's ability to lead and manage the budget all without raising taxes on anyone ;)
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 21, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 21, 2015, 10:40:39 AM
Lack of leadership and a mismanaged budget. Election Day is May 19.
I am completely confident in Lenny Curry's ability to lead and manage the budget all without raising taxes on anyone ;)
Actually, Curry isn't supporting a tax increase at a time that there's been a "gross mismanagement of the city's tax dollars". We'll see what happens when he gets in and actually has to clean up Brown's mess.
We already know what Brown will do.
What's going to happen on July 4th when thousands of people breech the barriers around the parking lot and Coastline? How many cops will be deployed to protect the city against the potential exposure of another pier failure?
This is officially a mess, and will continue to be a mess until the place is torn down.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2007-jan-northbank-riverwalk-collapses-under-weight-of-citys-incompetence
Quote from: stephendare on April 21, 2015, 10:53:57 AM
Ah....just saw this part....
Quote"This is a classic case of not maintaining your infrastructure," said Jacksonville City Councilman Bill Bishop. "The thing is 60 years old and it's falling apart. And the city's known it for years that it's falling apart."
Bishop is also an architect whose firm helped design the Northbank Riverwalk in 2003. He says studies his firm did of the area showed concern and were turned over to the city.
"For years they've been getting these reports. For years they've known this needed to be addressed," Bishop said.
Bishop verifies that he knew about it in 2003 as well.
Who was Mayor back then?
Curious as to why as a city councilman he didn't take some action. By his own words he's know of the issue for the past 12 years. Yet here we are.
Excellent question. Is City Council not "the city"?
To a degree, yes. With that said, this is (loosely) the equivalent of a member of a corporate board of directors telling the CEO (mayor) that he has an issue and it needs to be addressed. It's the CEO's job to execute this.
The key difference here is the Board of Directors in this case can't throw the CEO out in government.
QuoteWe already know what Brown will do.
4 more years, maybe Brown's plan is to just let the entire structure fall into the river? I mean, doing nothing, its still a plan. So technically we can't say he does not have a plan, its just that his plan stinks!
QuoteIt seems to have been both Delany and Peyton's plans as well.
Ancient History my friend. Ancient history!
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2015-07-07/story/permanent-fix-liberty-street-could-take-years-mayor-lenny-currys-team
"Permanent fix to Liberty Street could take years but Mayor Curry's team wants quicker action"
Ridiculous. There is no way those bridges will be repaired and reopened the way they used to be. Huge waste of time and money. South Liberty has been closed over 3 years now. Sam Moussa ought to be thinking bigger than bandaids.
Yeah, let's figure out if it's even worth replacing them or rebuilding them in their current configuration. Didn't we just finish a CRA plan? What does it suggest for the future of this site?
All the winks and nods I have seen seem to suggest they are going to play rope a dope on the area, and wait until they can package something along with the Courthouse. DIA seems to have no interest in fixing the bridges. Until Moussa came back, it was all crickets.
It's funny that everyone thought immediate action was going to be taken to fix this.
When the section in front of the Hyatt collapses they will alter their driveway as a quick fix and that's about it.
The conversation about the next use of the courthouse site hasn't progressed at all for 15 years.
^Yeah, that's pretty bad. Same conversation for 15 years, when stuff like this is popping like mushrooms in downtown cores (both big and small) all across the country:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/San-Francisco-2015/i-SDrgZmQ/0/L/DSCF6870-L.jpg)
San Francisco
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Sarasota-2015/i-GwsX7p5/0/L/DSCF6428-L.jpg)
On of several sites in Sarasota from last month
Hopefully, we'll be able to end our 15 year conversation with a yay or nay soon. Then we can proceed with getting something done or moving on to something else.
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/print-edition/2015/07/10/editorial-liberty-street-should-be-a-key-focus-for.html?ana=e_ph_prem&u=WlI+uS2dnrpUQEXzA1dC/Q0a72b012&t=1436534223
Mayor Lenny Curry's first meeting with City Council touched on many of the new administration's priorities — and one of them might have come as a surprise: That fixes be made to "that damned Liberty Street."
just heard on the news: Lenny Curry budgeting 65 million for Liberty Street repairs. Caveat: the mayor isn't sure exactly what direction those repairs will go. Meaning: the damned bridges may well end up demolished, as they should be.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,23704.msg419241.html (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,23704.msg419241.html)
Quote from: fieldafm on July 17, 2015, 08:06:07 AM
Quote from: downtownbrown on July 16, 2015, 11:01:43 AM
He already leaked, via Mousa, that "Liberty Street" is a priority. Problem is, by "Liberty Street" he means Coastline Drive between Newman and Market in order to protect the Hyatt. I don't think Liberty Street itself is anywhere on anyone's radar.
Under the heading 'Liberty Street, Coastline Drive/Parking Deck Projects' of the Capital Improvement Plan proposed (ordinance 2015-505) $5mm is allocated this year, $9mm the next fiscal year, $6mm the year after that and then $22mm and $23mm in FY18-20.
This year, Coastline Drive would be reopend both ways from Newnan to Market St (its currently limited to one way traffic). Replacing both the Coastline and Liberty Street Bridges (which requires both a demolition and a construction phase) would take about two years to complete and cost a little over $20mm (which would probably involve a federal match to the local contribution). If the budget gets passed as proposed, both the Coastline work and the engineering plans to permanently replace both bridges would begin in October (Council must pass the budget by Oct 1st)... so clearly fixing the problem has been made a priority.
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/189050-liberty-street-fix-highlights-jax-cip-budget-discussion-finance-backs-2-year-plan (http://floridapolitics.com/archives/189050-liberty-street-fix-highlights-jax-cip-budget-discussion-finance-backs-2-year-plan)
Say what you want ... but this administration is off to a strong start in my opinion.
Very encouraging stuff. Really seems they are looking at this like a holistic project and not just patching a hole. Talk of river access and incorporation into a courthouse project shows all the right signs.
Quote from: icarus on August 26, 2015, 11:06:39 AM
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/189050-liberty-street-fix-highlights-jax-cip-budget-discussion-finance-backs-2-year-plan (http://floridapolitics.com/archives/189050-liberty-street-fix-highlights-jax-cip-budget-discussion-finance-backs-2-year-plan)
Say what you want ... but this administration is off to a strong start in my opinion.
I agree. Very happy to hear that Berkman Plaza Carcass is also being talked about. It would be nice to see an artist's rendering of the Liberty Street and Coastline Drive plans...sounds exciting, but hard to visualize from the discussion recaps.
Nice! Kudos to the administration for developing a quick holistic solution to an ugly situation.
To be clear, this plan would put the old courthouse on the waterfront, yes?
^Yes.
Great to see something finally being done here.
Very good to hear. Mousa has a good point about the parking deck: no matter what is done with the courthouse, that thing's going to be a dangerous liability. Considering it doesn't really have a purpose anymore, taking it out will not only improve things aesthetically, it will be a good development move as well.
QuoteI know this might be addressed on another thread, but should we even be talking about something as massive as a convention center being built on the old courthouse site? I say this because of the crumbling infrastructure and isn't the parking lot built over the river on bridges? It seems to me like a new convention center might be better placed elsewhere, and turn the old courthouse site into a smaller development, maybe even open up part of the parking lot into a small harbor with boat docks and riverside restaurants. I just wonder about the engineering feasibility of that location. Perhaps we should be putting other ideas on the table.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,24792.0/topicseen.html (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,24792.0/topicseen.html)
I hate to toot my horn too loudly, but perhaps someone in the administration is reading MetroJax. This was a post of mine from a convention center thread.
I think this plan to get rid of the old courthouse surface lot and reconstruct the surrounding streets and riverwalk is really a smart plan. Making the courthouse site "riverfront" increases the possibility of a unique development replacing the old courthouse.
It's a great plan. That old lot is definitely an eyesore and not worth spending twice as much to rebuild it. However, I'd still recommend an convention center being built on the old courthouse site and directly connecting it to the Hyatt's ballroom level.
^ Do you think there is enough space within just the old courthouse footprint to build a decent convention center? I remember there being discussions about the need for unloading dock space, etc. We definitely want whatever is built their to embrace both Bay Street and our new "inner harbor." We certainly don't need more downtown buildings that fail to interact at street level.
For Jax's market? Yes, assuming a portion of the "convention center" includes what already exists inside the Hyatt. Build an exhibition hall, connect them via skywalk, and call it a day.
An old article and comment about potential cheap convention center options at the old courthouse site that would align with demolishing the old courthouse parking lot:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-dec-a-cheap-solution-to-jaxs-convention-center-problem
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/3743662079_WwDWvTt-M.jpg)
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,24966.msg420896.html#msg420896
Quote from: thelakelander on August 03, 2015, 05:43:46 PM
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Dena'ina Center is the big building with the white roof covering a full Anchorage city block.
What stands out most to me is the new convention center. It's modern, 3 stories and cost $111 million to build in 2008. Although the exhibition hall at street level is only 47,000 square feet, I wanted to drop it to scale on the courthouse site for fun.
First, here's a few images of the new Dena'ina Center:
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It looks pretty nice. Definitely a big step up from the Prime Osborn Convention Center. It cost $111 million to construct. However, in addition to an exhibition hall, it includes two extra floors of meeting and ballroom space. If we look at the courthouse site and assume that the Hyatt can become a part of the convention complex, we already have Grand Ballroom and meeting rooms in the Hyatt. All we really need is an exhibition hall box.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Other/Misc2/i-MFRCDWC/0/L/JAX%20Hyatt%20Center-L.jpg)
The Hyatt and courthouse blocks at the same scale as the Dena'ina Center aerial above.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Other/Misc2/i-hsSznrZ/0/L/JAX%20Hyatt%20with%20Anchorage%20Center-1-L.jpg)
The Hyatt's second level ballroom layout, along with the Dena'ina Center footprint on the old county courthouse site. The full courthouse block is highlighted in yellow.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Other/Misc2/i-NGcTWLP/0/L/JAX%20Hyatt%20with%20Anchorage%20Center-3-L.jpg)
The Dena'ina Center exhibition hall, grand lobby and "some" support space floor plan overlayed on the courthouse block. Also included is the Hyatt's second level ballroom floor.
Why do we believe it could cost $200 to $500 million to build a new convention center? Are we assuming we replicate everything the Hyatt already offers across the street, while also adding a new exhibition hall?
Why not just go with a two story box featuring an exhibition hall covering the entire block on the second floor and retail/dining space at street level, facing Bay and the river? We should be able to get something nice completed for $100 million. It can be connected to the Hyatt's ballroom level by skywalk, basically creating a three block convention facility, all located above street level.
Then consider demolishing that failing parking deck (millions cheaper than rebuilding it) over the river, taking the money not spent on rebuilding and making a real public waterfront space that's integrated with the Hyatt, new convention center's exhibition hall and Berkman?
I am having a sweet "I told you so" moment. This is a great win for not only the Hyatt (I agree that the old courthouse footprint is plenty large for a convention center) but also for the Riverwalk Townhome owners. It was never clear until this plan that they would have access to the back entrance again. And that empty spot at the corner of Liberty and the river was once going to be a restaurant, with ample valet parking in the garage (which now sits empty). Who knows how much better this story can get?
You have my vote, Lake. First floor-retail and dining establishments fronting Bay Street as well as the new inner harbor. Second floor-a large exhibition hall with glass walls providing beautiful views of the river and downtown. Rooftop terrace-landscaped public space with access from the Riverwalk. (Monona Terrace in Madison, WI is what I'm thinking of here.) It is designed so that sections of it can be reserved for outdoor wedding receptions, live music events, etc. Jacksonville hasn't traditionally embraced rooftop spaces. However, Blacksheep's rooftop is extremely popular, Burrito Gallery in Brooklyn Station is going to have a rooftop, and so is Cowford Chophouse downtown. Use a 2nd floor walkway to connect the exhibition hall to the Hyatt and that should about do it. A beautiful, appropriately sized convention center with connected hotel that interacts with downtown at street level and embraces the St. Johns. Perhaps Jason can work up a simple design of what's in my head. ;)
Additionally, a convention center could extend over the water on new likings, at least part way. I think they'd have had to do that even with the parking deck there, as the old pilings wouldn't have supported a building.
Add to all of that a new Jacksonville Municipal Marina and you have beautiful sight lines from every angle.
It certainly makes that old steakhouse spot in the Hyatt a more desirable spot. Hopefully, with the streetscape remake, they can integrate that corner to include outdoor/waterfront dining as a potential opportunity for a new restaurant user.
No doubt. A marina would be huge, because: 1) River City marina is a hazard because of the currents, 2) mooring overnight at the Landing is a recipe for vandalism (people have had their boats untied in the middle of the night) and there is no power or water hook up available, 3) the Berkman marina is dangerous (the finger piers are two feet wide and floating; not safe especially for kids and the "impaired"), 4) Metro Marina is too far away except for Jags games, and is not in the best shape, 5) a downtown marina will attract not only locals, but plenty of traffic from the biannual migration of boats headed south and north. Check out Charleston Municipal marina.
Update: 3 bids submitted for the repair. Winner to be selected in December or January. Proposals submitted by June. Work begins in about a year, and it will take 30 months. So we'll be 7 years into the original street closing before the fix occurs in 2019.
I love government.
It's good to see it move forward. The Broadstone River House and Houston Street Manor multifamily developments will also be presenting their conceptual plans to the DDRB next week. I'll post the renderings when the agenda comes out.
We've discussed the Broadstone River House development before, but this is the first I have heard of Houston Street Manor. Great news!
Houston Street Manor is a proposed 72-unit, seven story senior apartment complex. The site is 615 Houston Street. To accommodate the project, the last surviving Houston Street bordello would be demolished. The developer is Beneficial Communities of Sarasota.
Sketch of Houston Street Manor:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Houston-Street-Manor-Senior/i-4g3ck8J/0/X2/20151103_DDRB%20Agenda%20Packet.FINAL%20%281%29_Page_117-L.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Houston-Street-Manor-Senior/i-6dRSpMz/0/X2/20151103_DDRB%20Agenda%20Packet.FINAL%20%281%29_Page_101-L.jpg)
Quote from: thelakelander on October 30, 2015, 11:49:59 PM
Houston Street Manor is a proposed 72-unit, seven story senior apartment complex. The site is 615 Houston Street. To accommodate the project, the last surviving Houston Street bordello would be demolished. The developer is Beneficial Communities of Sarasota.
What kind of shape is the bordello in? Can it be moved?
Annnnd, we're back. Demo begins right after the Christmas holidays. Work originally projected to be completed in early 2019 is now projected to be completed a year earlier: Spring of 2018. Liberty Street will be vastly improved for the townhouses, and the long nightmare will be over soon enough. It takes a village to raise a child, but all it takes is a pile of millions to raze a parking lot.
That's cool they will create a waterfront parking garage, loading dock, and abandoned building.
which, as bad as it sounds, will be a huge improvement.
From the TU Call Box this weekend: Only one more year, and only half a year behind schedule. Not bad.
City spokeswoman Tia Ford provided the following estimated construction timeline:
Bulkhead Replacement at Coastline Drive: fall 2017
Liberty Street bridge demolition: early 2018
Liberty Street bridge reconstruction: fall 2018
Coastline bridge reconstruction: spring 2018
Courthouse parking deck structure demolition: early 2018
Riverwalk construction: summer 2018
The Riverwalk will be rerouted around the area with open water where the parking deck now stands.