Per the Washington Post:
Bill Cosby raped me. Why did it take 30 years for people to believe my story?
By Barbara Bowman
In 2004, when Andrea Constand filed a lawsuit against Bill Cosby for sexual assault, her lawyers asked me to testify. Cosby had drugged and raped me, too, I told them. The lawyers said I could testify anonymously as a Jane Doe, but I ardently rejected that idea. My name is not Jane Doe. My name is Barbara Bowman, and I wanted to tell my story in court. In the end, I didn't have the opportunity to do that, because Cosby settled the suit for an undisclosed amount of money.
Over the years, I've struggled to get people to take my story seriously. So last month, when reporter Lycia Naff contacted me for an interview for the Daily Mail, I gave her a detailed account. I told her how Cosby won my trust as a 17-year-old aspiring actress in 1985, brainwashed me into viewing him as a father figure, and then assaulted me multiple times. In one case, I blacked out after having dinner and one glass of wine at his New York City brownstone, where he had offered to mentor me and discuss the entertainment industry. When I came to, I was in my panties and a man's t-shirt, and Cosby was looming over me. I'm certain that he drugged and raped me. The final incident was in Atlantic City, where we had traveled for industry event. I was staying in a separate bedroom of Cosby's hotel suite, but he pinned me down in his own bed while I screamed for help. I'll never forget the clinking of his belt buckle as he struggled to pull his pants off. I furiously tried to wrestle from his grasp until he eventually gave up, angrily called me "a baby" and sent me home to Denver.
Back then, the incident was so horrifying that I had trouble admitting it to myself, let alone to others. But I first told my agent, who did nothing. (Cosby sometimes came to her office to interview people for "The Cosby Show" and other acting jobs.) A girlfriend took me to a lawyer, but he accused me of making the story up. Their dismissive responses crushed any hope I had of getting help; I was convinced no one would listen to me. That feeling of futility is what ultimately kept me from going to the police. I told friends what had happened, and although they sympathized with me, they were just as helpless to do anything about it. I was a teenager from Denver acting in McDonald's commercials. He was Bill Cosby: consummate American dad Cliff Huxtable and the Jell-O spokesman. Eventually, I had to move on with my life and my career.
I didn't stay entirely quiet, though: I've been telling my story publicly for nearly 10 years. When Constand brought her lawsuit, I found renewed confidence. I was determined to not be silent any more. In 2006, I was interviewed by Robert Huber for Philadelphia Magazine, and Alycia Lane for KYW-TV news in Philadelphia. A reporter wrote about my experience in the December 2006 issue of People Magazine. And last February, Katie Baker interviewed me for Newsweek. Bloggers and columnists wrote about that story for several months after it was published. Still, my complaint didn't seem to take hold.
Only after a man, Hannibal Buress, called Bill Cosby a rapist in a comedy act last month did the public outcry begin in earnest. The original video of Buress's performance went viral. This week, Twitter turned against him, too, with a meme that emblazoned rape scenarios across pictures of his face.
While I am grateful for the new attention to Cosby's crimes, I must ask my own questions: Why wasn't I believed? Why didn't I get the same reaction of shock and revulsion when I originally reported it? Why was I, a victim of sexual assault, further wronged by victim blaming when I came forward? The women victimized by Bill Cosby have been talking about his crimes for more than a decade. Why didn't our stories go viral?
Unfortunately, our experience isn't unique. The entertainment world is rife with famous men who use their power to victimize and then silence young women who look up to them. Even when their victims speak out, the industry and the public turn blind eyes; these men's celebrity, careers, and public adulation continue to thrive. Even now, Cosby has a new comedy special coming out on Netflix and NBC is set to give him a new sitcom.
Fixing this problem demands more than public shaming. For Cosby to commit these assaults against multiple victims over several years, there had to be a network of willfully blind wallflowers at best, or people willing to aid him in committing these sexual crimes at worst. As I told the Daily Mail, when I was a teenager, his assistants transported me to hotels and events to meet him. When I blacked out at Cosby's home, there were several staffers with us. My agent, who introduced me to Cosby, had me take a pregnancy test when I returned from my last trip with him. Talent agents, hotel staff, personal assistants and others who knowingly made arrangements for Cosby's criminal acts or overlooked them should be held equally accountable.
I have never received any money from Bill Cosby and have not asked for it. I have nothing to gain by continuing to speak out. He can no longer be charged for his crimes against me because the statute of limitations is long past. That is also wrong. There should be no time limits on reporting these crimes, and one of my goals is to call for legislation to that end. Famous and wealthy perpetrators use their power to shame and silence their victims. It often takes years for young women to overcome those feeling and gain the confidence to come forward (by which point physical evidence is long gone). Our legal system shouldn't silence them a second time.
Last week, I became a volunteer ambassador for PAVE (Promoting Awareness, Victim Empowerment), a national victim advocacy group that seeks to shatter the silence around sexual violence through targeted social, educational and legislative tactics. I will be writing and traveling the country talking to media, students and other interested groups about the importance of speaking out against sexual assault. I'll largely focus on young models and actors who are especially vulnerable to the influences of the rich and powerful. They, like other sexual assault victims, deserve our support. It's the perpetrators who should be facing public humiliation — not the victims.
Editor's note: A representative for Bill Cosby did not return multiple calls and e-mails from Washington Post staff for comment on this piece. Elsewhere, Cosby repeatedly denied separate sexual-assault allegations by Andrea Constand.
Hmm....where there's smoke there's fire. Bill must have been pretty busy with the free time he had between blasting African-Americans and making the Cosby Show..... I'll always been weary of people who put themselves on a pedestal while publicly admonishing others instead of quietly rolling up their sleeves to help resolve problems.
Its interesting how some individuals, given any kind of power over others, even temporary power, such as when functioning as a police officer, can become, if not monsters, at least considerably abusive to those whom they are supposed to serve. Even some politicians who look upon themselves as having power over their constituents, will often abuse that power by ignoring the basic reason for their election to office, and will make critical decisions or vote to favor the lobbyists or the already wealthy and powerful -- in return for money directly or for campaigns.
Even some bankers who, by way of having a little power via having funds to lend, often offer the facade of "helping" via financial solutions, are often screwing you by whatever means available to them ... via methods that are too often obscured.
Increasingly in this country ... power and greed ... outright theft ... rules -- beginning at the top both in government and in mega corporate, banking, and wall street. How can anyone expect the average citizen, the poor and unemployed, and even children, to give great attention to honesty and morality, when so many at the top do not? How can children, who learn by example, learn good principles from the beasts of greed and dishonesty at the top of government and business?
Power ... greed ... theft ... dishonesty has for too long been the habit. We've gone downhill. And apparently will continue so. Where is the strong leadership, showing the way with integrity, with powerful decisions favoring the mass of citizens instead of the rich and powerful?
Love this Hannibal Buress bit on the matter, although they only caught the end bit and not the build up on how there were 13 women (at the time) who had accused Bill of sexual assualt, rape, inappropriate conduct, ect
http://www.youtube.com/v/7P39iZsZ1j8
And just saw this...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/15/bill-cosby-sexual-assault-npr_n_6163658.html
The fire appears to be growing.
His appearances on David Letterman and Queen Latifah have been cancelled.
Quote from: ronchamblin on November 16, 2014, 02:58:20 AM
Its interesting how some individuals, given any kind of power over others, even temporary power, such as when functioning as a police officer, can become, if not monsters, at least considerably abusive to those whom they are supposed to serve. Even some politicians who look upon themselves as having power over their constituents, will often abuse that power by ignoring the basic reason for their election to office, and will make critical decisions or vote to favor the lobbyists or the already wealthy and powerful -- in return for money directly or for campaigns.
Even some bankers who, by way of having a little power via having funds to lend, often offer the facade of "helping" via financial solutions, are often screwing you by whatever means available to them ... via methods that are too often obscured.
Increasingly in this country ... power and greed ... outright theft ... rules -- beginning at the top both in government and in mega corporate, banking, and wall street. How can anyone expect the average citizen, the poor and unemployed, and even children, to give great attention to honesty and morality, when so many at the top do not? How can children, who learn by example, learn good principles from the beasts of greed and dishonesty at the top of government and business?
Power ... greed ... theft ... dishonesty has for too long been the habit. We've gone downhill. And apparently will continue so. Where is the strong leadership, showing the way with integrity, with powerful decisions favoring the mass of citizens instead of the rich and powerful?
I share your disgust with people who abuse power which is one reason why I favor increasing everyone's personal freedom. I don't think things are worse now, at least worldwide, than in the past.
I have no idea whether or not Bill Cosby ever raped anyone, but I'm uncomfortable speaking of him as this definitive rapist absent a criminal conviction (or even a civil conviction) or even enough physical evidence to result in criminal charges being filed against him.
The thirteen witnesses against Cosby certainly seem damming, but you also have to at least pause to question why all of these women waited decades to say anything, only coming forward anonymously after a civil lawsuit was put on the table.
So many of these women have accepted cash from Bill Cosby over the years, and so many have continued relations with him after the alleged assaults (even consensual sexual relationships) that it's impossible to know who's telling the truth.
Such a fine line with rape allegations. You want to protect the victims and not be a victim blamer, but rape is such a serious, disgusting charge that you would hope for a presumption of innocence until proven guilty as well.
It's a shame that all thirteen women waited until the statute of limitations had passed to come forward, and it's also unfortunate that the woman who did file a civil suit against him allowed herself to be bought out by Cosby instead of proceeding to court.
Quote from: KenFSU on November 16, 2014, 01:32:17 PM
I have no idea whether or not Bill Cosby ever raped anyone, but I'm uncomfortable speaking of him as this definitive rapist absent a criminal conviction (or even a civil conviction) or even enough physical evidence to result in criminal charges being filed against him.
The thirteen witnesses against Cosby certainly seem damming, but you also have to at least pause to question why all of these women waited decades to say anything, only coming forward anonymously after a civil lawsuit was put on the table.
So many of these women have accepted cash from Bill Cosby over the years, and so many have continued relations with him after the alleged assaults (even consensual sexual relationships) that it's impossible to know who's telling the truth.
Such a fine line with rape allegations. You want to protect the victims and not be a victim blamer, but rape is such a serious, disgusting charge that you would hope for a presumption of innocence until proven guilty as well.
It's a shame that all thirteen women waited until the statute of limitations had passed to come forward, and it's also unfortunate that the woman who did file a civil suit against him allowed herself to be bought out by Cosby instead of proceeding to court.
How many people are willing to put up with so much abuse, all in the name of career and possible fame?
Why are they willing to put themselves in harms way by accepting gratuitous travel gifts when it doesn't involve any professional work?
I have admired Mr. Cosby's humor for many years and if he is found guilty in the courts then he should be held accountable. If he is just another Arnold Schwartzenegger, who likes to prey on female actresses or production assistants, then his behavior will be subject to the judgement of the public space.
It appears the latter has started.
Mayor Brown campaign returning Cosby fundraising moneyQuoteJACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Money donated during a September fundraising event in New York City hosted by comedian Bill Cosby and attended by Mayor Alvin Brown will be returned, according to his reelection campaign.
Related: NBC cancels planned Cosby sitcom
A spokesperson with Mayor Brown's reelection campaign told First Coast News it will return approximately $19,100 to donors who donated to the "Taking Jacksonville to the Next Level" committee two months ago.
full article: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/2014/11/20/bill-cosby-jacksonville-mayor-alvin-brown/70029362/
So..she claimed he raped her..they offered money and she took it..does she get to keep coming back every few years for more or what..if it were rape theyd have put him in jail or at least arrested him..ii she shouldnt have taken the cash if she wasnt going to drop it
Ken, the women kept quiet for as long as they did because of fear and intimidation. I assume each one of them assumed they were the only one this happened to; by themselves none of them had the strength to fight back against someone so rich and powerful.
I stop short of saying "Cosby did this," but the alternative is to give credence to the possibility that this is all coming out now because of a decades-in-the-making conspiracy to bring down Cosby. Which is easier to believe?
Quote from: Rob68 on November 21, 2014, 07:48:52 AM
So..she claimed he raped her..they offered money and she took it..does she get to keep coming back every few years for more or what..if it were rape theyd have put him in jail or at least arrested him..ii she shouldnt have taken the cash if she wasnt going to drop it
Not only do you seem to have no idea of the enormity of this thing, you seem to live in a world where criminal behavior is always punished.
Cool, cool.
Quote from: funwithteeth on November 21, 2014, 07:52:02 AM
I stop short of saying "Cosby did this," but the alternative is to give credence to the possibility that this is all coming out now because of a decades-in-the-making conspiracy to bring down Cosby. Which is easier to believe?
Yeah, the more that I read about it, the more that I'm with you. I can't in good conscious call him a rapist without definitive proof, but Occam's razor certainly suggests that if you've got over a dozen disparate women all telling incredibly similar stories, it probably isn't some sweeping, calculated plot to bring down Cliff Huxtable.
^^^I agree. I'll chalk it up as an infidelity issue and not rape until further notice. There's no one the can tell me that those women looked truthful during those interviews (CNN etc), not to mention waiting decades later to accuse a person. Sadly, many times when women cry rape, the accused is guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion.
Quote from: Rob68 on November 21, 2014, 07:48:52 AM
So..she claimed he raped her..they offered money and she took it..does she get to keep coming back every few years for more or what..if it were rape theyd have put him in jail or at least arrested him..ii she shouldnt have taken the cash if she wasnt going to drop it
There is more than one woman involved in this equation. One woman, Constand, took a settlement. Another, Bowman, did not.
Read the original post on this thread.
Oh, and it's definitely a conspiracy. Ask Rush Limbaugh. He'll tell you that the "lame-stream media" are finally getting back at Cosby for his firm words to the black community.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/limbaugh-hits-cnn-for-cosby-rape-coverage-its-not-like-he-did-it-yesterday (http://www.mediaite.com/online/limbaugh-hits-cnn-for-cosby-rape-coverage-its-not-like-he-did-it-yesterday)
Does rape really count if it happened in the past? :o
Quote from: I-10east on November 21, 2014, 10:55:07 AM
^^^I agree. I'll chalk it up as an infidelity issue and not rape until further notice. There's no one the can tell me that those women looked truthful during those interviews (CNN etc), not to mention waiting decades later to accuse a person. Sadly, many times when women cry rape, the accused is guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion.
Well, why do you believe that there was infidelity?
^^^How long it's taking him to respond against these allegations; typically that's a red flag. Just my opinion.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 21, 2014, 07:27:58 AM
Mayor Brown campaign returning Cosby fundraising money
QuoteJACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Money donated during a September fundraising event in New York City hosted by comedian Bill Cosby and attended by Mayor Alvin Brown will be returned, according to his reelection campaign.
Related: NBC cancels planned Cosby sitcom
A spokesperson with Mayor Brown's reelection campaign told First Coast News it will return approximately $19,100 to donors who donated to the "Taking Jacksonville to the Next Level" committee two months ago.
full article: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/2014/11/20/bill-cosby-jacksonville-mayor-alvin-brown/70029362/
Ouch. Brown missed a key budget meeting (http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/mayor-brown-new-york-during-budget-meeting/nhSwT/) to go to that.
I think what I-10 is saying these women probably started with consensual sex at first, when no roles or professional advancement came, rejected his advances and assault may have been involved.
Bowman says she was drugged the first time, but may have thought she drank too much when she woke up.
I have seen this happen to college age girls before.
Quote from: spuwho on November 21, 2014, 01:49:32 PM
I think what I-10 is saying these women probably started with consensual sex at first, when no roles or professional advancement came, rejected his advances and assault may have been involved.
Bowman says she was drugged the first time, but may have thought she drank too much when she woke up.
I have seen this happen to college age girls before.
Possibly. I have no doubt he's a womanizing scumbag, but just saying you took a handful of drugs you were offered in a public place, drank, etc because he was a "big powerful scary man" doesn't really cut it as being "drugged" (which implies being slipped something). Sounds like a lot of these women made bad regrettable decisions early in life & are playing victim just to get something out of it.
I'm just saying, "rape" is a pretty strong word & seems like its being stretched a bit with some of these allegations. That kind of stuff happens a LOT, indeed as does real legitimate rape. So there's a line between forceable rape, and "I was out partying, drinking & doing drugs, met a guy & we had sex that I don't totally remember but feel bad about so I'm gonna say he raped me." How many of us have had sex under those exact same circumstances? I know I have. Maybe not hard drugs, but def both parties drunk.
That's not to say any of this is good or that he didn't forcibly take it upon himself to have his way with women being closed doors, which we'll likely never know. Just not to be so quick to label someone a rapist when there's no real evidence they did. Was there ever a case where someone who was with him went to the Doctor & got a rape kit or went straight to the police afterwards? Legitimately asking.
Quote from: peestandingup on November 21, 2014, 03:11:41 PM
Possibly. I have no doubt he's a womanizing scumbag, but just saying you took a handful of drugs you were offered in a public place, drank, etc because he was a "big powerful scary man" doesn't really cut it as being "drugged" (which implies being slipped something). Sounds like a lot of these women made bad regrettable decisions early in life & are playing victim just to get something out of it.
This bears no relation to Bowman's account. It also shows your willingness to discredit someone claiming rape while giving the benefit of the doubt to the accused.
The rest of your post attempts to do a thorough job of trivializing something awful. It's a common attitude rape victims encounter when they try to report what happened to them and a big reason why it's so often underreported.
Quote from: funwithteeth on November 21, 2014, 06:22:34 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on November 21, 2014, 03:11:41 PM
Possibly. I have no doubt he's a womanizing scumbag, but just saying you took a handful of drugs you were offered in a public place, drank, etc because he was a "big powerful scary man" doesn't really cut it as being "drugged" (which implies being slipped something). Sounds like a lot of these women made bad regrettable decisions early in life & are playing victim just to get something out of it.
This bears no relation to Bowman's account. It also shows your willingness to discredit someone claiming rape while giving the benefit of the doubt to the accused.
The rest of your post attempts to do a thorough job of trivializing something awful. It's a common attitude rape victims encounter when they try to report what happened to them and a big reason why it's so often underreported.
This.
Quote from: funwithteeth on November 21, 2014, 06:22:34 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on November 21, 2014, 03:11:41 PM
Possibly. I have no doubt he's a womanizing scumbag, but just saying you took a handful of drugs you were offered in a public place, drank, etc because he was a "big powerful scary man" doesn't really cut it as being "drugged" (which implies being slipped something). Sounds like a lot of these women made bad regrettable decisions early in life & are playing victim just to get something out of it.
It also shows your willingness to discredit someone claiming rape while giving the benefit of the doubt to the accused.
Um, no. It shows if you're accused of a crime, you're considered innocent until proven guilty. Which, you know, is kinda sorta the principle of our entire system of law. Or do you want to go ahead & throw him in the gallows because of what someone said?
I'm not siding with anyone & honestly couldn't care less what happens to Mr Cosby. Just saying its not fair to accuse someone of something they may or may not have done. Or are we just gonna blindly white knight this one?? That's fine if we are & anything less will be looked upon with total disgust, just lemme know guys & I'll stay out of it.
Quote from: funwithteeth on November 21, 2014, 06:22:34 PM
This bears no relation to Bowman's account. It also shows your willingness to discredit someone claiming rape while giving the benefit of the doubt to the accused.
BTW, I was talking about similar accusations from other women. I didn't just make that up.
QuoteWEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Therese Serignese said she was 19-years-old when she met Bill Cosby in Las Vegas. That was in 1976.
Cosby was putting on a show at the Hilton.
"He asked me, 'would you like to come see my show?' Of course I would." said Serignese.
She said she ended up at an after party.
Therese said hours later it was just her and Cosby and that's when she says he offered her some pills.
She said, "I took them, didn't know what they were didn't even ask. I just was intimidated I guess and I took them. Then my next memory is feeling drugged and him having sex with me."
Therese said she didn't know how she got home but remembers telling her mother the next day.
"She just looked at me and said 'maybe he'll take care of you,' " Sherignese said.
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/local-woman-accuses-cosby-of-drugging-raping-her
Cosby's attorney scolds the media..."stop vilifying my client, these accusations are absurd"
Per People:
While Bill Cosby was greeted with a standing ovation at a Florida event Friday – one of the few in recent days that wasn't cancelled in light of the mounting allegations against him – his attorney in Hollywood lashed out at the media for publicizing "decades-old events" that are "completely illogical."
"The new, never-before-heard claims from women who have come forward in the past two weeks with unsubstantiated, fantastical stories about things they say occurred 30, 40 or even 50 years ago have escalated past the point of absurdity," said attorney Martin Singer in a statement.
"These brand new claims about alleged decades-old events are becoming increasingly ridiculous, and it is completely illogical that so many people would have said nothing, done nothing and made no reports to law enforcement or asserted civil claims if they thought they had been assaulted over a span of so many years.
"Lawsuits are filed against people in the public eye every day," Singer continued. "There has never been a shortage of lawyers willing to represent people with claims against rich, powerful men, so it makes no sense that not one of these new women who just came forward for the first time now ever asserted a legal claim back at the time they allege dthey had been sexually assaulted. This situation is an unprecedented example of the media's breakneck rush to run stories without any corroboration or adherence to traditional journalistic standards ... It is long past time for this media villification of Mr. Cosby to stop."
Though Cosby's future job prospects look increasingly grim – AP reports that several more venues in Oklahoma, Nevada, Illinois and Arizona, among others, announced they were scrapping plans to host his concerts – the 77-year-old comedian broke his silence Friday by telling a Florida newspaper that he shouldn't have to defend himself against "innuendos."
"I know people are tired of me not saying anything," Cosby told the newspaper. "People should fact check. People shouldn't have to go through that and shouldn't answer to innuendos."
As accusers continued to surface – the most recent one is Beth Ferrier, though her accusations aren't new; she was Jane Doe #5 in Andrea Constand's 2006 civil suit against Cosby – the comedian took the stage in Melbourne, Florida, and was met with a standing ovation. (Before the show began, a single photo of Cosby with the late Nelson Mandela was projected on the stage).
During his 90-minute show (in which he wore a sweatshirt that read "HELLO FRIEND," Cosby waxed on about his youth – how he once stole money from the church offering plate to buy ice cream and how his uncle was the one to explain where babies came from.
Though a local radio station offered pay ticketgoers to heckle Cosby, there were no disruptions during the show other than one fan yelling, "We love you Bill Cosby!"
Cosby never once mentioned the scandal.
It's unclear what toll, if any, the allegations have affected Cosby financially. Though NBC scrapped a deal to develop a family comedy with him and Netflix postponed a planned comedy special, a great deal of Cosby's wealth was amassed from his run on NBC's The Cosby Show, which provided the comedian with six-figure salary on a weekly basis along with a share of the profits when the show went into syndication.
Even before the scandal broke, Cosby was reaping financial awards from comedy concerts and commencement speeches, which fetch him up to $100,000 per appearance, according to one course close to the comedian. Still, it seems certain that days of receiving big TV paychecks are over.
"His career is over. It's done," says one Hollywood crisis expert. "There's no salvation from this. Why would anybody want to go into business with this guy now?"
Quote from: peestandingup on November 21, 2014, 08:26:19 PM
Quote from: funwithteeth on November 21, 2014, 06:22:34 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on November 21, 2014, 03:11:41 PM
Possibly. I have no doubt he's a womanizing scumbag, but just saying you took a handful of drugs you were offered in a public place, drank, etc because he was a "big powerful scary man" doesn't really cut it as being "drugged" (which implies being slipped something). Sounds like a lot of these women made bad regrettable decisions early in life & are playing victim just to get something out of it.
It also shows your willingness to discredit someone claiming rape while giving the benefit of the doubt to the accused.
Um, no. It shows if you're accused of a crime, you're considered innocent until proven guilty. Which, you know, is kinda sorta the principle of our entire system of law.
Oh? Did you know due process applies to both the accuser and the accused? Maybe you don't because you hedge your own claims with "kinda sorta." Because this:
QuoteI have no doubt he's a womanizing scumbag, but just saying you took a handful of drugs you were offered in a public place, drank, etc because he was a "big powerful scary man" doesn't really cut it as being "drugged" (which implies being slipped something). Sounds like a lot of these women made bad regrettable decisions early in life & are playing victim just to get something out of it.
is definitely an attempt to discredit the accusers without the benefit of any facts yourself. You—along with countless other people in equally countless situations—are all too happy to put the blame on the accuser. "Well, they must have done something wrong and now they're saying this" is a short trip from "well, if they hadn't have been wearing a short skirt...."
QuoteI'm not siding with anyone & honestly couldn't care less what happens to Mr Cosby.
You are siding
against the accusers. I'm willing to believe you don't care about Cosby, however.
QuoteJust saying its not fair to accuse someone of something they may or may not have done.
What? I invite you to go back and point out where I said in this thread Bill Cosby is a rapist. I simply pointed out that dozens of accusations is not a good look on him, unless you happen to believe this a conspiracy by dozens of women out to get him.
QuoteOr are we just gonna blindly white knight this one?? That's fine if we are & anything less will be looked upon with total disgust, just lemme know guys & I'll stay out of it.
I take offense to "blindly" because I've definitely put some thought into this while your own posts are purely reactionary.
QuoteYou are siding against the accusers. I'm willing to believe you don't care about Cosby, however.
No, I'm really not. Im siding with burden of proof. No, I don't care about Cosby. At all. I think he's a real shit bag in many ways if you wanna know the truth.
QuoteWhat? I invite you to go back and point out where I said in this thread Bill Cosby is a rapist.
You heavily implied it. "Ken, the women kept quiet for as long as they did because of fear and intimidation. I assume each one of them assumed they were the only one this happened to; by themselves none of them had the strength to fight back against someone so rich and powerful."
QuoteI take offense to "blindly" because I've definitely put some thought into this while your own posts are purely reactionary.
So have I, which is why I said you can't automatically label someone a rapist if there's really no proof that they did so. That's pretty messed up. All that's there is a bunch of stories coming out at once similar to the one I linked to (is that what we're calling "rape" now?). And you are white knighting because you've already made up your mind based on decades old stories with no proof just because "women" and "rape" were used in the same sentence. What's more believable, that he was a rapist for decades involving dozens of women that never got caught, never got reported, etc, or that he was a famous womanizer with money who had a bunch of flings on the side that ended badly? Either is possible, or it could be somewhere in the middle. But like I said, prove it & I'll call him a rapist all day long.
I'm not saying he didn't do it & trying to belittle anyone or their story, just that no one should jump on the Cos hate bandwagon (or be bullied into doing so) without anything real to go on. If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down. All you have to do is get it in the news & they're done.
Per MailOnline:
Law & Order actress details Bill Cosby's attempted sexual assault of her while working on The Cosby Show - and claims he did drug at least one woman on set
Michelle Hurd, the actor known for her work on Law & Order: SVU and Gossip Girl has come forward to share her story about Bill Cosby.
- Hurd says Cosby touched her inappropriately and asked that she eat lunch with him in his dressing room when she worked on The Cosby Show
- She says Cosby told her to 'NEVER tell anyone what they did together'
- Then, one night he asked her to shower at his apartment, but she declined
- Hurd eventually spoke with another woman who said she woke up at Cosby's apartment drugged one morning
- This as Cosby's lawyer is calling the growing number of allegations against the actor 'increasingly ridiculous' and 'completely illogical'
Another actor has come forward to accuse Bill Cosby of attempted sexual assault.
Michelle Hurd, the actress best known for her roles on Low & Order: SVU and Gossip Girl, says she was a stand-in on the set of The Cosby Show when Cosby started acting increasingly inappropriate around her, saying, 'NEVER tell anyone what we [do] together.'
What's more, she states that at least one person on set woke up at his apartment drugged on one occasion.
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'LOOK, I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't believe some of the things i've been reading, SO here is MY personal experience,' she begins.
'I did stand-in work on The Cosby show back in the day and YES, Bill Cosby was VERY inappropriate with me.'
She goes on to discuss being touched in ways she did not like and being asked to eat lunch with him in his dressing room.
Then, things got to be too much for Hurd.
'I dodged the ultimate bullet with him when he asked me to come to his house, take a shower so we could blow dry my hair and see what it looked like straightened,' she says.
'At that point my own red flags went off and I told him, "No, I'll just come to work tomorrow with my hair straightened".'
That unfortunately was not the case for another actress who Hurd began trading stories with on set.
'Turns out he was doing the same thing to her, almost by the numbers, BUT, she did go to his house and because I will not name her, and it is her story to tell, all I'll say is she awoke, after being drugged, vomited, and then Cosby told her there's a cab waiting for you outside.'
Hurd, who is married to fellow actor Garret Dillahunt and so private that no one even knows their wedding date, then stresses that she has no reason whatsoever to lie about what happened.
Meanwhile, Cosby's laywer, Martin Singer, has released a statement calling recent rape allegations 'increasingly ridiculous' and 'completely illogical.'
'This situation is an unprecedented example of the media's breakneck rush to run stories without any corroboration or adherence to traditional journalistic standards,' says Singer.
'Over and over again, we have refuted these new unsubstantiated stories with documentary evidence, only to have a new uncorroborated story crop up out of the woodwork. When will it end?'
He then closes by saying, 'It is long past time for this media vilification of Mr. Cosby to stop.'
Ten women have come forward in the last month saying they were attacked by Cosby, with Renita Chaney Hill, Louisa Moritz and Andrea Leslie the latest additions.
Four of the women claim they were teenagers at the time.
One of the accusers is supermodel Janice Dickinson, who claims that during a dinner in 1982 the actor gave her a pill and when she woke up he was on top of her.
Another four ladies; Barbara Bowman, Joan Tarshis, Tamara Green and Therese Serignese have all shared remarkably similar stories in which they claim to have shared a drink or a pill with Cosby and then woken up after or while they say he was sexually assaulting them.
Also coming forward recently is Carla Ferrigno, wife of Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, who says Cosby tried to sexually assault her during a gathering at his house in 1967.
What's more, Cosby allegedly tried to use a friend to help court Ferrigno, and allegedly made his move on the former Playboy Bunny just moments after his own wife, Camille, left the room.
When asked to speak about these claims in an AP interview, Cosby said he had 'no response' and 'no comment.'
These allegations are already having a major impact on his work however, with Netflix postponing the airing of his new comedy special, Bill Cosby 77, which was due to air the day after Thanksgiving, and NBC pulling the plug on a comedy project they were developing with the Cosby Show star.
TV Land has also announced they will no longer air reruns of The Cosby Show on the network.
Despite all this, Cosby did perform in the Bahamas on Thursday and in Florida on Friday.
His upcoming standup shows in Las Vegas and Arizona have however been cancelled.
The common pattern here is that some of the victims confess to have had consensual relations with Cosby before they bolted. Some of them after offers of "professional advancement" were made. The largest common thread though is the use of drugs to ply them. (13) Jane Does is a lot of testimony to offer and the fact that so many were found and it took several years to reach the press is a bit weird.
THE WOMEN WHO SAY THEY WERE ATTACKED BY COSBY
Andrea Constand - A Temple University employee, she claimed in 2006 that Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her in his Philadelphia-area mansion two years earlier. Cosby eventually settled this suit out of court as the prosecution said they had 13 Jane Does who would testify Cosby did the same to them in the past.
Barbara Bowman - Bowman told MailOnline that Cosby raped and drugged her back in 1985 when she was a 17-year-old aspiring actress. Bowman was one of the 13 Jane Does in the 2006 trial against Cosby.
Joan Tarshis - Tarshis claimed that she was just 19-years-old when Cosby drugged and raped her twice in Hollywood back in 1969 while she was working as a writer for him.
Janice Dickinson - The supermodel said in an interview that Cosby asked her to come to Lake Tahoe and talk about a television role in 1982, but ended up drugging and raping her.
Tamara Green - Green, who first came forward in 2005 told MailOnline that she was an aspiring actress in the 1970s when Cosby gave her pills and pretended to care for her while she had the flu, but instead sexually assaulted her.
Therese Serignese - Also one of the 13 Jane Does, she says she was 19 when Cosby drugged and raped her in Las Vegas after one of his shows.
Louisa Moritz - She accused Cosby of sexual assault, saying he once forced her into oral sex, backstage at The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson in 1971, and implied he would further her career if she went through with it.
Linda Joy Traitz - She said earlier this week that she was just 19 when Cosby drove her out to a beach and tried to get her to take pills to relax, before becoming 'sexually aggressive'. Traitz, of Hallandale Beach, Florida, has been charged in the past with trafficking pills. Cosby's attorney, Marty Singer, is trying to use Traitz's past to discredit her claims against his client.
Beth Ferrier - Beth Ferrier claims she had relationship with Cosby in the mid-1980s. She claims that she awoke in her car with her clothes in disarray and not remembering what had happened. Ferrier has claimed that he drugged her coffee.
Carla Ferrigno - The wife of Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, claims Cosby tried to sexually assault her during a gathering at his house in 1967. What's more, Cosby allegedly tried to use a friend to help court Ferrigno, and allegedly made his move on the former Playboy Bunny just moments after his own wife, Camille, left the room.
Andrea Leslie - The former model-actress claims that Cosby forced her to masturbate him in his Vegas hotel suite after giving her a strong drink in 1992.
Per People:
Bill Cosby Accuser Beth Ferrier Says She Lost 'Everything' After Going Public in 2006
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For the past nine years, Beth Ferrier has tried her best to stay out of the media spotlight.
In 2006, Ferrier, who says she was in a consensual relationship with Bill Cosby for months, told PEOPLE magazine about how she believes Cosby slipped something into her cappuccino.
She says she went to visit him in his dressing room in Denver in the mid-1980s and he gave her a cappuccino.
"I woke up in my car in the parking lot with my clothes all a mess," the model told PEOPLE in 2006.
"I was definitely drugged. All I had to drink was coffee and the room was spinning. I wondered, I still wonder, 'What did he do with me? Why was my bra unhooked? What happened?' "
Cosby, through his attorneys, has consistently denied all previous allegations. And in a statement on Friday, Cosby's lawyer, Martin Singer, said, "It is long past time for this media vilification of Mr. Cosby to stop."
He added of the claims that have come out in the past two weeks: "It is completely illogical that so many people would have said nothing, done nothing and made no reports to law enforcement or asserted civil claims if they thought they had been assaulted over a span of so many years."
Ferrier, who was Jane Doe #5 in Andrea Constand's civil suit against Cosby, said she experienced a lot of backlash after that story ran.
"I lost everything," she says. "I've had to change my number several times because people were threatening me."
Members of her family stopped speaking with her and her modeling work dried up, she says.
"I lost a lot of friends," she says. "They didn't want to talk to me anymore."
Ferrier, 56, slowly rebuilt her life and worked as a certified special education teacher until she broke her neck in May 2011.
She doesn't have a television so she had no idea about the recent Cosby uproar until a member of the media tracked down a friend of hers two days ago.
"I immediately was like, 'I'm not going to say a word,' " she says. "I just started to shake my head, thinking, 'Holy Moly.' I feel really sorry for you because you have no idea how bad it can get."
This time needs to be different, she says.
"There needs to be an outcry and it needs to be huge," she says. "And I hope it gets so bad for him that he finally will break and have some true emotion."
Mostly, though, she just wants him to admit what he did.
"This time use your energy, your wealth and your intelligence to tell the world the truth," she says. "Call us by name. You know us."
Quick History lesson
I have already become tired of people moaning "but isn't Cosby innocent before proven guilty? How stupid are these people who so foolishly and emotionally believe all 16 women who have come forward? Innocence before guilty blah blah blah!"
The bill of rights was created to protect individual liberties, but mainly to limit the power and abuses of the central government. the delegates of that convention feared that without a bill of rights to specifically state our personal liberties, our country would run into the same tyranny and oppression that we had just escaped and overthrown. thus, our founding fathers created the constitution to govern human nature, bc they understood the the natural human inclination of rulers to lust for more power.
So, the notion of innocent before guilty is something that was created in the eyes of the law, to protect us from the power of the state, so that the state wouldn't be able to just send us to jail, without any proof. it is heavily implied in our constitution, in the bill of rights, that the state has the entire burden of proof, not the defendant/accused. again, this is applicable in a court of law. So when people, especially a person who uses the term "legitimate rape" in a sentence continue to harp on this point of "innocent before guilty, it drives me crazy.....
"legal terms. you're doing it wrong." and honestly, now I've put you in the same camp of people who erroneously ballyhoo " blah blah blah my first amendment rights!!"
I actually feel bad for calling you out, BUT....the presumption of innocence was created to protect us from the abuses of the central government, NOT to govern social behavior. so it's just false to use it in a social context when it's origin is legal, and intended to protect us from the STATE, and not from day to day people!!!!
Thanks for allowing my rant of the day.
[/quote]"So have I, which is why I said you can't automatically label someone a rapist if there's really no proof that they did so. That's pretty messed up. All that's there is a bunch of stories coming out at once similar to the one I linked to (is that what we're calling "rape" now?). And you are white knighting because you've already made up your mind based on decades old stories with no proof just because "women" and "rape" were used in the same sentence. What's more believable, that he was a rapist for decades involving dozens of women that never got caught, never got reported, etc, or that he was a famous womanizer with money who had a bunch of flings on the side that ended badly? Either is possible, or it could be somewhere in the middle. But like I said, prove it & I'll call him a rapist all day long.'
I'm not saying he didn't do it & trying to belittle anyone or their story, just that no one should jump on the Cos hate bandwagon (or be bullied into doing so) without anything real to go on. If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down. All you have to do is get it in the news & they're done.
[/quote] from up above
You do not understand or have enough information about this to comment like the above. these women did NOT just come out now. These are allegations starting from the 80's and 90's. Most of the women all have similar backgrounds; white, young (16-17) yrs old, wanting to be in show business, vulnerable to a powerful man who can break or make their careers, AND the drugs were not given in public places. The cases reported so far, are Cosby sent someone to get this young woman up to his room under the pretense of interview, etc.
Many told their agents, friends, lawyers immediately after the assault, but many in authorit didn't listen. Who do they want to believe?? The most beloved, and well financed man in the USA or a 17 yr. old girl, trying to get on The Cosby show? In what reality, would attorneys want to take on Cosby???? Justice doesn't always pay well.
Another person who is male, and worked w/ Cosby all those yrs. back had come forward and has receipts of the money orders, Cosby paid him to give to the woman he had promised something in exchange...of their bodies against their will.
In 2005, a lawsuit was filed representing some of these women, ....It was settled by Cosby's attorneys for a huge financial return, but only to the one woman who gave her name and to the people who agreed to be nameless as a Jane Doe. Some woman refused to be silenced by not giving their name and made Zero money.....These woman still will make Zero money, but sometimes the truth should be have more of a voice against a powerful man.
These allegations have been around for 30 years............It wasn't until Hannibel Burgess, a black. male comedian repeating the "facts" in a joke bit he does. He states the obvious..."you guys know bill cosby is a rapist. Right?" It's part of who he is and the fact that it took a male to say it outloud, people started to listen. You see, you your simple world of drugging, having sex, and you being able to determine a "real legitimate rape" the facts don't make sense to you. You live in a judgemental phrase that wants everything to be black or white before you believe it.
Have you ever seem an atom? Do you believe it exists? It does and so does injustice in a world where many woman are still considered second class citizens and the legal system relies more on who has power than who has the truth.
In a world of make believe television, Bill Cosby was an all American dad loved by all. It was a non reality, scripted t.v. show. It did not film his reality......no more than Leo Dicaprio died after filming Titanic. even Stephen Collins, the wholesome dad, and pastor in the t.v. show, "Seventh Heaven", is not really a saint as he appears......In fact he is facing felony sex abuses charges against minors.
If someone is uncomfortable "labeling ' Cosby as something...then don't do it. Go about your business and don't label or think about him. but, if you do want to know, search many different resources before you come away with your 'truth" on what happened.
Also to answer your question..... "If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down." Yes, dear friend, yes. Anyone could say anything about anyone if they want to take them down......So correct. Have you ever watched a political add somewhere?
I feel I have diluted your imaginary but awesome reality of right and wrong again....Sorry.
QuoteIf someone is uncomfortable "labeling ' Cosby as something...then don't do it. Go about your business and don't label or think about him. but, if you do want to know, search many different resources before you come away with your 'truth" on what happened.
Never claimed it was the "truth".
QuoteAlso to answer your question..... "If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down." Yes, dear friend, yes. Anyone could say anything about anyone if they want to take them down......So correct. Have you ever watched a political add somewhere?
Political ads & satire arent criminal cases, so there's that.
QuoteI feel I have diluted your imaginary but awesome reality of right and wrong again....Sorry.
Not really, no. The fact of the matter remains that if you're charged with something, it still has to be proven that you did it whether its murder, rape, etc either by evidence or a jury's decision. Even if he did it, but the courts can't prove he did, then he's not a rapist (at least in the eyes of the court).
I think the best thing to do now would be to wait & see how this plays out before formulating any kind of hard opinion. My suspicion is that he did take advantage of lots of young women over the years, wanted them to keep quiet about it (for obvious reasons) so he paid them/gave them things, gave them drugs, etc. Whether or not it was considered forceful rape is anyone's guess at this point.
Somnophelia.
....... is a paraphilia in which sexual arousal or orgasm are intruded on a sleeping person by having sexual contact with them.[1] Some signs or symptoms that may point to somnophilia include recurring thoughts regarding unconscious or sleeping persons and feeling sexual urges when in contact with or in the proximity of them.[2] There are possible treatments of somnophilia such as hypnosis, behavioral therapy and 12-step programs designed to terminate the behavior. While treatment is available, a somnophiliac may not seek it unless the behavior becomes destructive, problematic, or becomes a legal issue.
Quote from: spuwho on November 23, 2014, 01:11:22 AM
Per People:
Bill Cosby Accuser Beth Ferrier Says She Lost 'Everything' After Going Public in 2006
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For the past nine years, Beth Ferrier has tried her best to stay out of the media spotlight.
In 2006, Ferrier, who says she was in a consensual relationship with Bill Cosby for months, told PEOPLE magazine about how she believes Cosby slipped something into her cappuccino.
She says she went to visit him in his dressing room in Denver in the mid-1980s and he gave her a cappuccino.
"I woke up in my car in the parking lot with my clothes all a mess," the model told PEOPLE in 2006.
"I was definitely drugged. All I had to drink was coffee and the room was spinning. I wondered, I still wonder, 'What did he do with me? Why was my bra unhooked? What happened?' "
Cosby, through his attorneys, has consistently denied all previous allegations. And in a statement on Friday, Cosby's lawyer, Martin Singer, said, "It is long past time for this media vilification of Mr. Cosby to stop."
He added of the claims that have come out in the past two weeks: "It is completely illogical that so many people would have said nothing, done nothing and made no reports to law enforcement or asserted civil claims if they thought they had been assaulted over a span of so many years."
Ferrier, who was Jane Doe #5 in Andrea Constand's civil suit against Cosby, said she experienced a lot of backlash after that story ran.
"I lost everything," she says. "I've had to change my number several times because people were threatening me."
Members of her family stopped speaking with her and her modeling work dried up, she says.
"I lost a lot of friends," she says. "They didn't want to talk to me anymore."
Ferrier, 56, slowly rebuilt her life and worked as a certified special education teacher until she broke her neck in May 2011.
She doesn't have a television so she had no idea about the recent Cosby uproar until a member of the media tracked down a friend of hers two days ago.
"I immediately was like, 'I'm not going to say a word,' " she says. "I just started to shake my head, thinking, 'Holy Moly.' I feel really sorry for you because you have no idea how bad it can get."
This time needs to be different, she says.
"There needs to be an outcry and it needs to be huge," she says. "And I hope it gets so bad for him that he finally will break and have some true emotion."
Mostly, though, she just wants him to admit what he did.
"This time use your energy, your wealth and your intelligence to tell the world the truth," she says. "Call us by name. You know us."
Quote from: peestandingup on November 23, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
QuoteIf someone is uncomfortable "labeling ' Cosby as something...then don't do it. Go about your business and don't label or think about him. but, if you do want to know, search many different resources before you come away with your 'truth" on what happened.
Never claimed it was the "truth".
QuoteAlso to answer your question..... "If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down." Yes, dear friend, yes. Anyone could say anything about anyone if they want to take them down......So correct. Have you ever watched a political add somewhere?
Political ads & satire arent criminal cases, so there's that.
QuoteI feel I have diluted your imaginary but awesome reality of right and wrong again....Sorry.
Not really, no. The fact of the matter remains that if you're charged with something, it still has to be proven that you did it whether its murder, rape, etc either by evidence or a jury's decision. Even if he did it, but the courts can't prove he did, then he's not a rapist (at least in the eyes of the court).
I think the best thing to do now would be to wait & see how this plays out before formulating any kind of hard opinion. My suspicion is that he did take advantage of lots of young women over the years, wanted them to keep quiet about it (for obvious reasons) so he paid them/gave them things, gave them drugs, etc. Whether or not it was considered forceful rape is anyone's guess at this point.
You do realize that you are not the person who defines rape. YOu have uttered the absolute most ignorant term 'real legitimate rape" & then for good measure adding "forcible rape"..........Who are you? Mike Tyson?
I'm unclear where you are from and how you think RAPE has so many different meanings because who the abuser is, makes a difference....... Basically...NO means NO. It's not complicated. YOu seem very naive on realities in the big wide world we live in, and it is sad.....you are not the generation we need to have talking. While you may think political ads or satire don't count in your Pollyanna world of "If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down." ............I haven't much advice except a six year old knows they can make up things & tell them to someone else. If you haven't heard of the concept, I truly feel for your bubble world. Wake up...read some news....and stop thinking you are the one in charge of deciding what rape is or not.
^Oh, so you know for a fact they told him "NO" & it wasn't consensual? Ok, then. Well, its an open & shut case here folks. Jax Native cracked it & was apparently there for all of these sexual encounters. ::)
Look, you clearly are putting words into my mouth & trying to paint with a broad brush like I approve rape or something. Which is fine, I don't care enough about this to get into some internet battle. You're also confusing public opinion, political ads, etc with criminal court cases & trials (which is just not very bright).
Like I said earlier, take him to court & lets see how it all plays out, thats really all you can do. Because right now all we have are media articles & forum posts like this one that's either calling for his head (like some here are doing), calling all the women liars, or waiting to see. But if some gallant white knighters want to bully other's into the former (like I said would happen, it always does), then by all means go ahead. I don't care enough to try to point out any longer how wrong & stupid that is until we know more.
Per Stuff.co.nz:
Former NBC employee 'helped Bill Cosby pay off women'
A veteran NBC employee is the latest person to come forward with allegations of bad behavior from comedian and actor Bill Cosby.
Frank Scotti, who worked with Cosby during The Cosby Show, says he sent thousands of dollars to different women for the entertainer, and stood guard at Cosby's dressing-room door when there were young models inside.
Scotti, 90, who was interviewed by New York Daily News in his own home, said he decided to come forward after hearing more women come forward with allegations of sexual abuse.
"I felt sorry for the women," Scotti said. "When I left him, I left him because I was upset about the women."
"It was very obvious what was going on - to me, anyway," he said.
"I got suspicious about it, but I didn't see it happen."
Scotti said he even sourced an apartment for a girl for Cosby, calling Donald Trump's brother to arrange a place and hiring furniture from the props department to furnish it.
"He said, 'Call Donald Trump's brother and see if he can give you an apartment,' " Scotti recalled. "So I called him up and, of course, who's not going to? He'd throw somebody out just to give Bill Cosby an apartment."
Scotti worked as the facilities manager at NBC's Brooklyn Studio from 1984, where The Cosby Show was taped.
He said Cosby had a deal with a modelling agent from Manhattan, who would bring young models around to the studios.
The models would be taken to Cosby's dressing room, and Scotti said Cosby would tell him: "'I want you to keep that one girl here; I want to interview her for a part in the show'."
"The owner [of the modelling agency] just walked right out," said Scott. "She knew exactly what was going to go on. Then he'd tell me, 'Stand outside the door and don't let anyone in.' Now you put that together and figure why."
Scotti also said he had to send thousands of dollars to different women around the US, and even to Europe.
"Why would I be sending some woman $2000? It's suspicious. Giving money to people made me very suspicious, because why would he do that?" When he realised he was sending money to Shawn Thompson, who claims Cosby is the father of her daughter, Autumn Jackson, Scotti said he thought Cosby might be paying off other women for similar reasons.
Cosby denied fathering Thompson's daughter, but after their 1974 affair, he paid her more than $100,000.
"When I knew I was paying [Thompson] two thousand a month, I knew then, that maybe the other people had the same situation with him," Scotti said.
"I was suspicious that something was going on," he continued. "I suspected that he was having sex with them, because the other person he was sending money to [Thompson] he was definitely having sex with."
"Why else would he be sending money?" Scotti said. "He was sending these women $2000 a month. What else could I think?"
Scotti has kept copies of the money orders he got on behalf of Cosby, and said he realised later that Cosby was trying to cover himself.
"I did a lot of crazy things for him," Scotti said. "He was covering himself by having my name on it. It was a cover-up. I realised it later."
When he told Cosby he was thinking of quitting, Scotti said Cosby did not believe him.
"He said, 'You'll never quit me. You love me'."
However, when Scotti announced his decision to definitely retire, Cosby was not so pleasant.
"He looked at me and said, 'Leave right now,'" said Scotti, who has only seen the actor once since then.
Cosby lawyer Martin Singer told The Daily News Scotti's claims were rubbish.
"What evidence does he have of Cosby's involvement?" Singer asked.
"How would Scotti know if a woman was a model or a secretary? It appears that his story is pure speculation so that he can get his 15 minutes of fame."
Per CNN:
Cosby breaks his silence
(CNN) -- Amid mounting allegations against him, Bill Cosby has broken his silence. Well, sort of.
Cosby, accused of rape and other misdeeds by an increasing number of women, was reached at home on Friday by a freelance reporter for the New York Post.
While Cosby offered Stacy Brown more than the head-shake that caused several moments of awkward radio silence during an interview with NPR, he did not address the allegations.
Instead, he offered his expectations for how the media -- specifically, "the black media" -- should cover the story.
"Let me say this," the 77-year-old said. "I only expect the black media to uphold the standards of excellence in journalism and when you do that, you have to go in with a neutral mind."
Brown wrote that Cosby "sounded upbeat on the phone," especially when it came to a question about how his wife, Camille, is holding up.
"Love and the strength of womanhood," Cosby said. "Let me say it again, love and the strength of womanhood. And, you could reverse it, the strength of womanhood and love."
The actor then resumed his public relations posture of late and ended the conversation, saying, "They don't want me talking to the media."
Brown also writes for the Washington Informer, a newspaper targeted to the African-American community, and he spoke with CNN about their conversation. Brown said he came away with the clear sense that Cosby actually doesn't want to stay silent at all but is nevertheless deferring to the guidance of his representatives for the time being.
"I definitely came away with the belief that he wants to talk about everything," Brown said. "He seemed as if he really does have a lot to say and, oddly enough, he didn't in any way appear worried about anything. To me, he sounded like a happy individual without a care in the world."
As for how he sort of landed a sort of scoop, Brown said he had been keeping in touch with Cosby's camp for the past three and a half weeks -- and at one point even thought he was close to securing an interview -- but when his people changed their minds, Brown did an end around.
"I had Mr. Cosby's personal number and decided to give it a shot."
I remember when Stephendare had a nice video interview with Cosby awhile back. I hate being that type of person to pry out replies from someone, but I wonder what his take is? Is it like mine (need more evidence), or is it like many who already have him guilty?
^^^Well spoken Stephen. Like you said, I too hope that the allegations aren't true, but anything is possible. Thanks for the reply.
Hmm....
QuotePHILADELPHIA — Actor-comedian Bill Cosby's admission that he obtained quaaludes to give young women before sex could bolster criminal and civil claims being pursued by his accusers, their lawyers said after The Associated Press reported on newly released court documents.
Cosby in sworn testimony unsealed Monday admitted that he gave the now-banned sedative to a 19-year-old woman before they had sex in Las Vegas in the 1970s. He also admitted giving the powerful drug to unnamed others.
His lawyer interfered before he could answer deposition questions in 2005 about how many women were given drugs and whether they knew about it.
Full article: http://jacksonville.com/breaking-news/2015-07-06/story/2006-deposition-bill-cosby-said-he-got-drugs-give-young-women-whom-he
Sounds like Cosby had his sexual cues a little mixed up. Ouch.
Per the Washington Post:
Genius seducer Bill Cosby didn't realize key accuser was gay, new documents say
Days after it was revealed comedian Bill Cosby spoke of himself as a master interpreter of women's desires in a 10-year-old court deposition, one of his alleged victims has pointed out a problem with this theory: She's gay.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/29/genius-seducer-bill-cosby-didnt-realize-key-accuser-was-gay-new-documents-say/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/29/genius-seducer-bill-cosby-didnt-realize-key-accuser-was-gay-new-documents-say/)
Those last two "revelations" of what he has said in civil court pretty much made me believe the accusers.
It is shown with SCIENCE, that a woman's body will involuntarily protect itself by producing lubrication, even under duress.
It lessens the chance of permanent damage.
There is NO WAY that Cosby or anyone else can interpret that response as consent, without verbal or clear non-verbal PARTICIPATION in the act of sex.
Annd
Then he admitted to purchasing a powerful sedative that he "shared" with women. Most of the women who have come forward did not voluntarily partake in any substance use with him. Those that did admitted to such.
That sounds like classic date rape.
It is sad that this man was allowed to continue to live a deceitful public life. Further disappointment with the many people who chose to conceal Cosby's crimes to their own benefit, rather than protect a fellow human who was victimized.
Such behavior is probably the most pernicious attribute of celebrity culture, IMO.
I have never been raped? But I understand the rest of what his lady says "why doesn't anyone believe me." Some people feel since they have talked to "Bill Cosby" feel this can't be true? A lot like Clarence Thompson and the allegations by Anita Hill. And some people believe since OJ Simpson was found Not Guilty he didn't kill his ex-wife & her friend. Why doesn't anyone believe me, that's easy why did you wait this long to come out about the accused rape. Is it because the person you're accusing "Bill Cosby" is an American stand-up comedian, actor, author, and activist. Whats going on here is a civil case everyone is looking for Show Me the Money! If you were raped years ago you should have come out then and maybe if Bill Cosby would have been found guilty you could have been believed. :(
Per The Hollywood Reporter:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/bill-cosby-loses-bid-dismiss-831061 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/bill-cosby-loses-bid-dismiss-831061)
Bill Cosby Loses Bid to Dismiss Libel Lawsuit Brought By Rape Accusers
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In perhaps the most significant legal development since the scandal surrounding Bill Cosby erupted, a Massachusetts federal court on Friday denied the embattled comedian's bid to dismiss a libel lawsuit brought by three women.
Tamara Green, Therese Serignese and Linda Traitz are the plaintiffs in the case. The women allege that they were victimized by a sexual assault by Cosby. But because of the statute of limitations, they can't sue Cosby for the alleged crime.
Instead, the three women claim their reputations were tarnished when Cosby's reps told news outlets that the rape claims were "fabricated," "ridiculous" and "absurd," among other comments.
In an opinion today (read here), U.S. District Judge Mark Mastroianni rejected all of Cosby's reasons to throw out the lawsuit at this juncture. He analyzed libel standards such as whether the comments were "of and concerning" the defendants and whether the comments could be characterized as "predictable opinions." The judge concluded that a jury could find that the comments addressed the women and that the gist — basically that they fabricated tales of rape — is provable as true or false. It will be up to a jury to find whether the statements are capable of defamatory meaning.
This latest decision could prompt more lawsuits against Cosby. The failure to dismiss this case will certainly mean Cosby will have to give more depositions. And from a legal standpoint, there's also some precedent being made today.
For one thing, Mastroianni addressed whether a celebrity can be liable for the comments of his reps.
"Given Defendant's prominence in the entertainment field, the court infers he surrounded himself with people accomplished in media relations and legal matter," writes the judge. "The court also infers those making Defendant's public statements had an open line of communication with him as well as some historical perspective on his public relations matters. Based on the facts and inferences, the court finds it plausible at this point to conclude (1) those agents would have had, at a minimum, some sense of Defendant's alleged conduct, such that their duty of care would have required them to take steps to determine the truth or falsity of the statements, and (2) the content of their responsive statements demonstrates such reasonable care was not taken."
Mastroianni also rejected Cosby's argument that he was within rights to make "privileged utterances of self-defense."
"The court recognizes that some jurisdictions do apply a version of the conditional self-defense privilege, which allows individuals, in certain circumstances, to publish defamatory responsive statements necessary to defend their reputation," the judge responded. "However, as recognized by the cases Defendant himself cites ... such a privilege does not permit a defendant to knowingly publish false statements of fact."
In other words, what Cosby's reps said about his accusers could be shown to be knowingly false, which rises above being merely false.
Mastroianni's opinion also might break ground on the issue of statute of limitations. One of the articles in question is a November 2014 article in the Washington Post about Green, who claims to have been a victim of Cosby's in the 1970s. In response to the story, Cosby lawyer Walter Phillips Jr. commented, "Mr. Cosby does not know the name Tamara Green or Tamara Lucier [her maiden name], and the incident she describes did not happen."
After the article was published, a correction was added that perhaps suggested Phillips' comment was made in 2005 rather than 2014. As such, Cosby argued that it was barred by statute of limitations and the "single publication" rule (see here how that works), but Mastroianni agrees with Green's lawyer that the press statement was given with the expectation it would be reported again. He rules that Cosby may be held liable for the "foreseeable republication" of a decade-old statement.
The new ruling comes just two days after Cosby failed to win terminating sanctions in an assault lawsuit brought by Judy Huth, who alleges she was victimized as a minor. The judge in that case only addressed a procedural point about how the case was initiated. The judge there still is being asked to dismiss the case on other grounds. The decision today makes a case against Cosby move a bit closer to trial — although it wouldn't be shocking to see an interim appeal attempted — and could be meaningful to other accusers who have been warring with Cosby's camp in the media.
The plaintiffs are represented by Joseph Cammarata, who said in a statement, "This is a wonderful day."