Intuition Ale Works Moving Downtown
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Intuition Ale Works has announced plans to renovate a currently empty space at the corner of Bay St. and A. Philip Randolph St. adjacent to the baseball grounds and Veterans Memorial Arena.
Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-sep-intuition-ale-works-moving-downtown
great news
Awesome news, exactly what the stadium district needs. Love the rooftop bar.
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Absolutely fantastic!!!!!
This relocation will surely add to the "event day" experience and definitely add life to the area on days when there are no events.
Best of luck to Intuition.
Ohhh goody! Sooooo happy! I can't wait
Love the rooftop bar! This will be a great addition to Downtown and the Stadium District. Congrats to Ben and the Intuition team.
Wow. They really are the perfect place to go into this building. They have a very strong following, and they need brewing space. The challenge in the sports complex is major stadium events only happen 14 times a year, but because of their following, they can survive on Friday nights where nothing is going on. Nice proposal from Ben and the team there.
Absolutely awesome.
Very awesome news, this will be the boost that I think that area needs. Lots of stuff happening downtown again, its exciting!
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2014, 10:54:44 AM
Wow. They really are the perfect place to go into this building. They have a very strong following, and they need brewing space. The challenge in the sports complex is major stadium events only happen 14 times a year, but because of their following, they can survive on Friday nights where nothing is going on. Nice proposal from Ben and the team there.
I don't see that being a problem, remember there are also 70 games every year with the Suns, over 100 events at Veterans Memorial Arena, plus the various events at the Fairgrounds Expo Center and that doesn't count the regular fans and patrons of Intuition that will now come downtown any time to enjoy the fare.
What did this building used to be?
Will the renovation go for LEED or Green Globes certification? This is a great opportunity for a high-profile local small business to demonstrate the business-case for sustainable high-performance design (while keeping pace w/ the "green" ethos of many of the nation's leading craft brewers).
Quote from: JayBird on September 09, 2014, 11:20:52 AM
Very awesome news, this will be the boost that I think that area needs. Lots of stuff happening downtown again, its exciting!
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2014, 10:54:44 AM
Wow. They really are the perfect place to go into this building. They have a very strong following, and they need brewing space. The challenge in the sports complex is major stadium events only happen 14 times a year, but because of their following, they can survive on Friday nights where nothing is going on. Nice proposal from Ben and the team there.
I don't see that being a problem, remember there are also 70 games every year with the Suns, over 100 events at Veterans Memorial Arena, plus the various events at the Fairgrounds Expo Center and that doesn't count the regular fans and patrons of Intuition that will now come downtown any time to enjoy the fare.
Throw in the USS Adams Naval Museum next door and Khan's potential Shipyards development and you've got yourself a pretty nice little destination.
Amazing News. Congrats Intuition. I think I am going to get a six pack of I 10 on my way home to celebrate.
So will they own the building outright, or rent?
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2014, 10:54:44 AM
Wow. They really are the perfect place to go into this building. They have a very strong following, and they need brewing space. The challenge in the sports complex is major stadium events only happen 14 times a year, but because of their following, they can survive on Friday nights where nothing is going on. Nice proposal from Ben and the team there.
Got to hand it to the Intuition team. After the rumored Shipyards attempt, they could have gone anywhere else. Forest St, or another more welcoming place in the city that could have been more beneficial to them as a Brewery and Distribution center.
Shows huge commitment on their part to want to make it downtown. Deserve a lot of credit. Excited for them.
very nice. will miss there Riverside presence but its not too far.
This would be a nice addition to the Stadium area. Hope it works out.
Quote from: stephendare on September 09, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
Next major announcement for downtown is supposed to happen by the 15th of this month.
Read: the 15th occurrence of the month of September from now. ;)
It's a perfect location. That area needs something exactly like Intuition.
I really hope this happens. Good luck to Intuition.
Fantastic news! Should be a catalytic project for that area of downtown. Hopefully something complementary will happen on the adjacent block between Adams, Forsyth, APR, and Lafayette.
Quote from: stephendare on September 09, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
At long last, 'shortly' has come.
Next major announcement for downtown is supposed to happen by the 15th of this month.
You never learn, do you, Stephen?
Awesome news!! Love the roof top bar. Another venue to tie DT to the Sports District.
Quote from: stephendare on September 09, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
Next major announcement for downtown is supposed to happen by the 15th of this month shortly.
Quote from: stephendare on September 09, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
At long last, 'shortly' has come.
Next major announcement for downtown is supposed to happen by the 15th of this month.
Sworn to secrecy on this one???
Quote from: stephendare on September 09, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
At long last, 'shortly' has come.
Next major announcement for downtown is supposed to happen by the 15th of this month.
I'll take the over.
New rumor for you boaters: Penninsula is considering putting in a marina on the south bank.
Jax Biz Journal article:
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2014/09/09/the-vision-behind-intuitions-downtown-brewery.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2014/09/09/the-vision-behind-intuitions-downtown-brewery.html)
Very positive.
Outstanding. No mention of a "Food" component. Will that be included?
LEED? The greenest building is one that is already built. Thanks, Ben!
Who needs food when you got beer?
Quote from: Tacachale on September 09, 2014, 12:09:13 PM
So will they own the building outright, or rent?
They will lease.
Davis said he would not buy the building, but would lease part of it from Farley and Paul Grainger, who have it under contract through their Iconic Real Estate Group. Farley Grainger said he is scheduled to close on the property early next year.
"We've got a long-term lease that we're really happy with and I'd rather put the money into buying equipment than buying the building," Davis said.
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2014-09-09/story/intuition-ale-works-eyes-expansion-building-jacksonvilles-sports-complex
Intuition was 4.8 miles from my house.
Now it's 1.7 miles.
This is good.
^ for me it will be 0.7
This is better
On my path from work to home ...
This is very good news. This kind of strong operation moving into the core is quite a step forward ... adding greatly to the energy in the core. Another four or five operations having this kind of impact will set us on a track approaching the sought after threshold, after which, we will see an increased rate of incoming businesses and residents.
Unfortunately, I've seen three businesses on my block, all being small, close within the past several weeks ... but two others have opened.
Within days of each other, the popcorn shop and the barber shop, both on Monroe, closed. Both had insufficient business to pay the rent. Also, the women's clothing boutique on Monroe closed on Laura.
I suspect that each of these businesses will be able to survive in a "post threshold" core environment simply because there will be sufficient foot traffic. As the work/resident/visitor population increases in the core, so will the "types" of businesses that can survive and prosper in it.
Since I came to Laura in 2006, I've seen perhaps fifteen small operations open and close on the Adams / Laura / Monroe block. They had dreams and plans, but too little foot traffic. Of course, some had a non-survival business plan to begin with. Each lasted from six months to two years.
In any case, Intuition has a solid momentum of business success. And the place will be within walking distance from my apartment. It will be much visited and appreciated. :)
The only thing would worry me is the lack of foot traffic (on non-game/event days), that overpass right in front of the building (noise, especially if they have any outdoor seating) & the vast nothingness in-between that building & the Landing. Things are coming to the Shipyards & Met Park, no doubt, but I've been by that area many times on my bike on non-event days & its as dead as a doornail. Almost spooky.
Hopefully Intuition can bring in foot traffic on its own until things start popping around there down the road.
How much foot traffic do they have now? Doubtful it's much.
Quote from: peestandingup on September 10, 2014, 04:16:36 AM
The only thing would worry me is the lack of foot traffic (on non-game/event days), that overpass right in front of the building (noise, especially if they have any outdoor seating) & the vast nothingness in-between that building & the Landing. Things are coming to the Shipyards & Met Park, no doubt, but I've been by that area many times on my bike on non-event days & its as dead as a doornail. Almost spooky.
Hopefully Intuition can bring in foot traffic on its own until things start popping around there down the road.
The current location doesn't get much foot traffic either but it's a manufacturing plant moreso than anything else. It will rely on foot traffic just as much as Maxwell House does. It's the perfect use for that specific location. A good fit for industry but also a perfect spot for special events, which will feed business to the tap room and biergarten.
Its true that the current location doesn't get "passers by" type foot traffic, but they're still in the middle of Riverside (close by for lots of people in the general area), right up from all the stuff on King (which stays busy), etc. The new location isn't really around anything but the sports complexes (hit or miss depending on the day).
I guess we'll see. I would just feel better about it if the Shipyards were already something & Met Park wasn't deserted.
^ I'm sure Intuition will do just fine in paying rent on the manufacturing facility alone. The tap room will be plenty busy on event days, and much of that revenue will be profit.
Its similar to Burrito Gallery. At one time they made enough $ on Art Walk night to pay rent for the whole month.
Quote from: peestandingup on September 10, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
Its true that the current location doesn't get "passers by" type foot traffic, but they're still in the middle of Riverside (close by for lots of people in the general area), right up from all the stuff on King (which stays busy), etc. The new location isn't really around anything but the sports complexes (hit or miss depending on the day).
I guess we'll see. I would just feel better about it if the Shipyards were already something & Met Park wasn't deserted.
The new brewery will be a destination that will have a significant draw. The new location reminds me of Sweetwater in Atlanta (or dozens of other larger craft breweries) which is located in the middle of nowhere but has a line down the block for their taproom hours. Granted, they have far more limited hours than Intuition, but I think intuition's parking lot will stay full. The Jacksonville trend of breweries in or near existing nightlife areas is not typical, but that's also because all of our breweries to date have been pretty small scale. Big nationally known craft breweries are at their heart manufacturing operations and need spaces built manufacturing specs. You won't typically find that near a pedestrian district.
Red brick brewery is another that comes to mind. They started in a historic brick warehouse in the heart of dt atlanta. Their growth necessitated a move to a suburban industrial area away from any complementing uses. They had food trucks and games and made their own little destination that drew in plenty of customers. Intuition's new space will be much more centrally located than Red Brick or Sweetwater and will have plenty of traffic drivers to supplement the people who will be coming to the area solely for the brewery.
Like Lake said, Intuition has never really relied on foot traffic in their current location. Sure they aren't as close to their Riverside base, but this location is closer to Downtown workers, San Marco, St. Nicholas, Springfield, Arlington, and Southside residents. Intuition has been a destination spot, and will be an even bigger destination with this new facility (which looks amazing). This location will crush it for corporate events and private parties, not to mention concerts and sporting events.
I don't have time to fully express my thoughts on this, but given Riverside/Avondale's growth/density constraints, having places like Intuition DT makes more sense anyways. Far more potential to create a cool, dense walkable area. I really hope that other complimentary uses (restaurants, bars, breweries) follow suit.
Both Intuition and Bold City brought people to an area of Riverside that was hardly considered a hot spot. I remember hearing folks at my office talk about going there after work that rarely set foot in Riverside. So I think they will do the same at their downtown location. They will be great ambassadors to that area of Bay Street.
I love it and want it open yesterday.
Intuition relying on foot traffic? I think not:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SB16il97yw&t=0m17s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SB16il97yw&t=0m17s)
https://www.youtube.com/v/7SB16il97yw
Hopefully they extend the trolley down there!
Quote from: peestandingup on September 10, 2014, 04:16:36 AM
...the vast nothingness in-between that building & the Landing.
Who cares about the Landing? It's only about a half-mile to other venues on Bay Street across from the old Courthouse.
The current location is .3 miles from the nearest other spot, Kickbacks. Few people are walking or even biking up there now, and it was even fewer when the place opened in 2010 (and even fewer than that when Bold City opened in 2008). The new location is half a mile to the Bay Street bars along a major street, and in a central location that's easier to access for people from San Marco, Springfield, Arlington, SS, and most of town, really. They'll do just fine.
Quote from: finehoe on September 10, 2014, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: peestandingup on September 10, 2014, 04:16:36 AM
...the vast nothingness in-between that building & the Landing.
Who cares about the Landing? It's only about a half-mile to other venues on Bay Street across from the old Courthouse.
Anyone know when Lavernius Cole is opening his place on Bay? The new pub on the corner of Bay and Liberty won't be open long, I'm guessing.
Lack of business for the pub or what to prevent them from staying open? I peeked in there when they were first opening and it looked 1/2 finished still. Looked a little too grungy / Insane Clown Posse crowd for me.
Quote from: jaxjaguar on September 10, 2014, 01:08:08 PM
Lack of business for the pub or what to prevent them from staying open? I peeked in there when they were first opening and it looked 1/2 finished still. Looked a little too grungy / Insane Clown Posse crowd for me.
$4 large glasses of Tucher....that's all you need to know!
I've been in the Hourglass Pub a few times. I think they're doing ok so far. I also think Intuition will do fine and probably help City Hall Pub do better.
I think that some people here don't understand the business model of Intution. They are a manufacturer of craft beer first, a bar second. They could build out on Lannie Road and their model and income wouldn't change. This is actually the owners "taking one for the team" because they easily could've relocated anywhere on the westside, southside or beaches but instead chose to try to help the local community at large. I'm impressed and respect their management the more because of it. They will provide a catalyst in 2 years that City Council/Mayor have been failing to understand for decades.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on September 10, 2014, 02:58:57 PM
I've been in the Hourglass Pub a few times. I think they're doing ok so far. I also think Intuition will do fine and probably help City Hall Pub do better.
Technically its now called Jacksonville Sports Tavern. Changed names after Ron Sholes brought in new management because the Giants and his other businesses were taking his time away from City Hall Pub.
Quote from: JayBird on September 10, 2014, 04:15:41 PM
I think that some people here don't understand the business model of Intution. They are a manufacturer of craft beer first, a bar second. They could build out on Lannie Road and their model and income wouldn't change. This is actually the owners "taking one for the team" because they easily could've relocated anywhere on the westside, southside or beaches but instead chose to try to help the local community at large. I'm impressed and respect their management the more because of it. They will provide a catalyst in 2 years that City Council/Mayor have been failing to understand for decades.
Don't underestimate the income from the tap room. Selling the beer for $5 a pint vs. selling it wholesale by the keg.
Quote from: jaxjaguar on September 10, 2014, 09:24:37 AM
Hopefully they extend the trolley down there!
YES! After a trip to the tap room, we don't need to be driving much anyway:)
If the elevated highway was demolished all the way to the stadium so it was just an off/on ramp to bay street it would open up so much valuable real estate in that area. I think that is one of the keys for continued progress in the sports complex/shipyards area.
Quote from: finehoe on September 10, 2014, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: peestandingup on September 10, 2014, 04:16:36 AM
...the vast nothingness in-between that building & the Landing.
Who cares about the Landing? It's only about a half-mile to other venues on Bay Street across from the old Courthouse.
Because like it or not, thats the major central part of downtown with all the businesses there, around Laura, the Riverwalk, Skyway, etc. Or did you just wanna rely on the bleed over (IE scraps) of the mostly weekend late-night bar crowds on Bay?
And have you ever walked that half mile in between those bars & the stadium complexes? Its not pleasant (and that's using kind wording). I don't imagine many people doing it just to go to a tap-room when there's other options around them that doesn't require walking through urban desert.
Like I said, I hope it does well & is able to draw people in, but I'd just feel better if that stretch in between didn't suck & there was activity there. This has been a sore spot in downtown for years & its just now getting some traction going. Yes, the Riverside location wasn't a pleasant walk either from the major areas on King & Post, but at least it was IN Riverside where people actually live, tons of other businesses, etc whether they were walking or driving, it was there. Right there.
People are already in Riverside, all day every day. Downtown? Not so much. Hope it changes, but thats where we're at now. It'll get better, esp with these types of businesses popping up & taking a chance, but they can't do it alone & the city needs to stop dragging their feet.
Quote from: Dog Walker on September 09, 2014, 04:46:32 PM
LEED? The greenest building is one that is already built. Thanks, Ben!
While the point I believe you are making -- that re-using existing buildings is more sustainable than building new -- is undeniable, your statement implies that there are no opportunities for improvement in existing buildings.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Major renovations provide excellent, cost-effective opportunities to drive down costs, improve occupant health & productivity and minimize environmental impact.
Since you previously expressed thanks for my commentary, may I suggest you check out LEED or Green Globes for
Existing Buildings -- or even the ENERGY STAR Portfolio Manager program?
Quote from: CCMjax on September 10, 2014, 09:44:54 PM
If the elevated highway was demolished all the way to the stadium so it was just an off/on ramp to bay street it would open up so much valuable real estate in that area. I think that is one of the keys for continued progress in the sports complex/shipyards area.
How much life is left on that elevated highway? It shouldn't be replaced, that is for sure.
That said, it certainly makes for a great "roof" for tailgating.
Its not even 50 years old. It probably has a couple of decades of life left in it.
Quote from: peestandingup on September 11, 2014, 12:26:17 AM
Quote from: finehoe on September 10, 2014, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: peestandingup on September 10, 2014, 04:16:36 AM
...the vast nothingness in-between that building & the Landing.
Who cares about the Landing? It's only about a half-mile to other venues on Bay Street across from the old Courthouse.
Because like it or not, thats the major central part of downtown with all the businesses there, around Laura, the Riverwalk, Skyway, etc. Or did you just wanna rely on the bleed over (IE scraps) of the mostly weekend late-night bar crowds on Bay?
And have you ever walked that half mile in between those bars & the stadium complexes? Its not pleasant (and that's using kind wording). I don't imagine many people doing it just to go to a tap-room when there's other options around them that doesn't require walking through urban desert.
Like I said, I hope it does well & is able to draw people in, but I'd just feel better if that stretch in between didn't suck & there was activity there. This has been a sore spot in downtown for years & its just now getting some traction going. Yes, the Riverside location wasn't a pleasant walk either from the major areas on King & Post, but at least it was IN Riverside where people actually live, tons of other businesses, etc whether they were walking or driving, it was there. Right there.
People are already in Riverside, all day every day. Downtown? Not so much. Hope it changes, but thats where we're at now. It'll get better, esp with these types of businesses popping up & taking a chance, but they can't do it alone & the city needs to stop dragging their feet.
Jax's newest craft brewery and tap room is located in the back of a business park off Southside Boulevard and I-95 in Baymeadows. Because IAW is a manufacturing operation first and a taproom second, they should be fine. On the taproom side of things, this one will most likely end up being a lot more popular than the King Street location.
The armchair microbrewers are funny.
Two years after opening the new location, I think you'll see Ben knocking on Cigar City's doors saying 'Hey Joey, remember back in the day when you were the king of Florida microbrews?'
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BgT37VZI06Y/UxywzSldN2I/AAAAAAACj6E/SZJCLaQ7T7o/s1600/post2.jpg)
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on September 10, 2014, 02:58:57 PM
I've been in the Hourglass Pub a few times. I think they're doing ok so far. I also think Intuition will do fine and probably help City Hall Pub do better.
Technically its now called Jacksonville Sports Tavern. Changed names after Ron Sholes brought in new management because the Giants and his other businesses were taking his time away from City Hall Pub.
Thanks for the correction.
QuoteTechnically its now called Jacksonville Sports Tavern.
Jacksonville Sports Tavern is leased and operated by former First Street Grille management and staffers. They now operate under limited hours (mainly when there are events going on at the Arena and the Baseball Grounds.
Good people.
Quote from: thelakelander on September 11, 2014, 07:50:47 AM
Quote from: peestandingup on September 11, 2014, 12:26:17 AM
Quote from: finehoe on September 10, 2014, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: peestandingup on September 10, 2014, 04:16:36 AM
...the vast nothingness in-between that building & the Landing.
Who cares about the Landing? It's only about a half-mile to other venues on Bay Street across from the old Courthouse.
Because like it or not, thats the major central part of downtown with all the businesses there, around Laura, the Riverwalk, Skyway, etc. Or did you just wanna rely on the bleed over (IE scraps) of the mostly weekend late-night bar crowds on Bay?
And have you ever walked that half mile in between those bars & the stadium complexes? Its not pleasant (and that's using kind wording). I don't imagine many people doing it just to go to a tap-room when there's other options around them that doesn't require walking through urban desert.
Like I said, I hope it does well & is able to draw people in, but I'd just feel better if that stretch in between didn't suck & there was activity there. This has been a sore spot in downtown for years & its just now getting some traction going. Yes, the Riverside location wasn't a pleasant walk either from the major areas on King & Post, but at least it was IN Riverside where people actually live, tons of other businesses, etc whether they were walking or driving, it was there. Right there.
People are already in Riverside, all day every day. Downtown? Not so much. Hope it changes, but thats where we're at now. It'll get better, esp with these types of businesses popping up & taking a chance, but they can't do it alone & the city needs to stop dragging their feet.
Jax's newest craft brewery and tap room is located in the back of a business park off Southside Boulevard and I-95 in Baymeadows. Because IAW is a manufacturing operation first and a taproom second, they should be fine. On the taproom side of things, this one will most likely end up being a lot more popular than the King Street location.
Yeah, this is too funny. Most breweries are located in industrial areas, because they're industrial sites. And many of those have proven that people will come out to visit their taprooms or take tours. The new location will be a lot more central and easy to access for people from Springfield, San Marco, Southside and Arlington - and it's pretty close to Riverside too. When your needs include a 20,000+ square foot industrial warehouse, this is just about the best conceivable location you could get.
Quote from: bencrix on September 11, 2014, 07:40:53 AM
Quote from: Dog Walker on September 09, 2014, 04:46:32 PM
LEED? The greenest building is one that is already built. Thanks, Ben!
While the point I believe you are making -- that re-using existing buildings is more sustainable than building new -- is undeniable, your statement implies that there are no opportunities for improvement in existing buildings.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Major renovations provide excellent, cost-effective opportunities to drive down costs, improve occupant health & productivity and minimize environmental impact.
Since you previously expressed thanks for my commentary, may I suggest you check out LEED or Green Globes for Existing Buildings -- or even the ENERGY STAR Portfolio Manager program?
No criticism of LEED standards intended! I live in a 1928 building that has been upgraded to LEED standards so am well aware of the possibilities of making an old building much more energy efficient. Thanks to upgraded windows, insulation, solar hot water and solar panels, my electric bill last month was $85 and it was HOT!
It's just more efficient to start with an old masonry building.
Quote from: Dog Walker on September 11, 2014, 09:49:14 AM
It's just more efficient to start with an old masonry building.
You're right. I hope Intuition's lease contemplates the kinds of upgrades that were made to your building.
My understanding is that many microbrews are paying a lot of attention to these things, thereby adding value to their businesses and brands, e.g. (among many others): http://www.newbelgium.com/Sustainability/Environmental-Metrics.aspx.
Quote from: bencrix on September 11, 2014, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on September 11, 2014, 09:49:14 AM
It's just more efficient to start with an old masonry building.
You're right. I hope Intuition's lease contemplates the kinds of upgrades that were made to your building.
My understanding is that many microbrews are paying a lot of attention to these things, thereby adding value to their businesses and brands, e.g. (among many others): http://www.newbelgium.com/Sustainability/Environmental-Metrics.aspx.
Good ideas. You should reach out to Intuition and offer to point them in the right direction if they are interested.
Ben is way ahead of us thinking about these things. He's a planner and doesn't do anything without a lot of thought and care.
QuoteWow. They really are the perfect place to go into this building. They have a very strong following, and they need brewing space. The challenge in the sports complex is major stadium events only happen 14 times a year, but because of their following, they can survive on Friday nights where nothing is going on. Nice proposal from Ben and the team there.
Good points here, but here are a few more. Anyone notice that Bold City is NOT moving downtown? Instead, they are expanding where they are located. I know Intuition tried to expand, but could not due to neighborhood issues. And like several good points on the board, they really are a looking to grow the brewing volume, rather than the tap room. Operating a bar is not what the beer business is all about. Its nice icing, but the cake is their beer.
If they can get that whole sports area going, good for them. The old City Hall Pub has been a dud since the day in opened. Bad food, bad management, bad everything, juju too! Article in the Times Union said they plan to close down the operations in Riverside or maybe turn it into a leased brewing operation. Interesting.
However, I feel that Intuition is leaving its roots, when they close shop in the Riverside Avenue, I'll have more options other than their beer, so when they say goodbye to our area, I will say goodbye to them as well. I hope they can make it with more than the few events a year in a ghost town area, at least in Riverside, you had neighborhoods of people and supporters. Its a bold step, Intuition is the only one out there thinking that this is a good move.
Time will tell.
Their not the only one. They tried to grow in Riverside and could not. It is what it is. Nevertheless, in the grand scheme of things, Riverside is a pretty small neighborhood, when compared to the rest of the county. They'll be able to produce more product, keep most of their loyal following and attract others who weren't making the trek to Riverside. When it's all said and done, they'll be just fine.
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 09, 2014, 09:28:29 PM
^ for me it will be 0.7
This is better
Launching a kayak from Hogans Creek even better.
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Quote from: thelakelander on September 15, 2014, 06:27:42 AM
Their not the only one. They tried to grow in Riverside and could not. It is what it is. Nevertheless, in the grand scheme of things, Riverside is a pretty small neighborhood, when compared to the rest of the county. They'll be able to produce more product, keep most of their loyal following and attract others who weren't making the trek to Riverside. When it's all said and done, they'll be just fine.
They're definitely not the only ones. I imagine there were well meaning armchair brewers who told them the previous location would never work either, and look at them now.
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 15, 2014, 04:25:27 AM
QuoteWow. They really are the perfect place to go into this building. They have a very strong following, and they need brewing space. The challenge in the sports complex is major stadium events only happen 14 times a year, but because of their following, they can survive on Friday nights where nothing is going on. Nice proposal from Ben and the team there.
Good points here, but here are a few more. Anyone notice that Bold City is NOT moving downtown? Instead, they are expanding where they are located. I know Intuition tried to expand, but could not due to neighborhood issues. And like several good points on the board, they really are a looking to grow the brewing volume, rather than the tap room. Operating a bar is not what the beer business is all about. Its nice icing, but the cake is their beer.
If they can get that whole sports area going, good for them. The old City Hall Pub has been a dud since the day in opened. Bad food, bad management, bad everything, juju too! Article in the Times Union said they plan to close down the operations in Riverside or maybe turn it into a leased brewing operation. Interesting.
However, I feel that Intuition is leaving its roots, when they close shop in the Riverside Avenue, I'll have more options other than their beer, so when they say goodbye to our area, I will say goodbye to them as well. I hope they can make it with more than the few events a year in a ghost town area, at least in Riverside, you had neighborhoods of people and supporters. Its a bold step, Intuition is the only one out there thinking that this is a good move.
Time will tell.
A good product will bring clientele regardless of location. Many breweries are not in "desirable" locations, yet people constantly go there for good beer. Cigar City isn't exactly in the nicest location, but their taproom is usually quite busy and the fact they make the best beer in this state coupled with the craft beer explosion illustrates the fact that good beer will get people out there.
This is a great move for Intuition and I'm looking forward to watching their growth.
I've been going to Bold City (occasionally) since they first opened and have a special soft spot for the place. However, I think Intuition is a much more ambitious brewery than Bold City is. Opening in a highly visible location Downtown is the next logical step in Intuition's upward trajectory.
Let's not forget about these guys who will be brewing at the opposite end of the northbank DT:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-dec-engine-15-brewing-company-why-myrtle-avenue#.VBcGOsJdXIc (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-dec-engine-15-brewing-company-why-myrtle-avenue#.VBcGOsJdXIc)
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on September 15, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
Let's not forget about these guys who will be brewing at the opposite end of the northbank DT:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-dec-engine-15-brewing-company-why-myrtle-avenue#.VBcGOsJdXIc (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-dec-engine-15-brewing-company-why-myrtle-avenue#.VBcGOsJdXIc)
Someone told me a while back that they were supposed to be quietly brewing over there already. Not sure of the validity of that though.
Quote from: stephendare on September 09, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
At long last, 'shortly' has come.
Next major announcement for downtown is supposed to happen by the 15th of this month.
What's up, Stephen. Happy September 15th! ;)
Can't wait!
Quote from: stephendare on September 09, 2014, 12:40:22 PM
Next major announcement for downtown is supposed to happen by the 15th of this month.
So the next major announcement was to announce an impending announcement? lol
Quote from: duvalbill on September 15, 2014, 08:54:58 AM
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 15, 2014, 04:25:27 AM
QuoteWow. They really are the perfect place to go into this building. They have a very strong following, and they need brewing space. The challenge in the sports complex is major stadium events only happen 14 times a year, but because of their following, they can survive on Friday nights where nothing is going on. Nice proposal from Ben and the team there.
Good points here, but here are a few more. Anyone notice that Bold City is NOT moving downtown? Instead, they are expanding where they are located. I know Intuition tried to expand, but could not due to neighborhood issues. And like several good points on the board, they really are a looking to grow the brewing volume, rather than the tap room. Operating a bar is not what the beer business is all about. Its nice icing, but the cake is their beer.
If they can get that whole sports area going, good for them. The old City Hall Pub has been a dud since the day in opened. Bad food, bad management, bad everything, juju too! Article in the Times Union said they plan to close down the operations in Riverside or maybe turn it into a leased brewing operation. Interesting.
However, I feel that Intuition is leaving its roots, when they close shop in the Riverside Avenue, I'll have more options other than their beer, so when they say goodbye to our area, I will say goodbye to them as well. I hope they can make it with more than the few events a year in a ghost town area, at least in Riverside, you had neighborhoods of people and supporters. Its a bold step, Intuition is the only one out there thinking that this is a good move.
Time will tell.
A good product will bring clientele regardless of location. Many breweries are not in "desirable" locations, yet people constantly go there for good beer. Cigar City isn't exactly in the nicest location, but their taproom is usually quite busy and the fact they make the best beer in this state coupled with the craft beer explosion illustrates the fact that good beer will get people out there.
This is a great move for Intuition and I'm looking forward to watching their growth.
Good points.
DIA (Downtown Includes Alcohol) Board meeting 9/17/14 at 4 pm 1st floor city hall.
There also was recent Jacksonville city council legislation and wonder if this directly benefited the relocation decision 2014-473. Amend Chapt. 191 (Special Events & A Philip Randolph Entertainment District) Secs 191.104 (Permit Appl) & 191.106 (Insurance) to allow Chief of Special Events to Utilize Discretion in Reviewing Appls to reduce amount of Insurance coverage for Product & Completed Operations Aggregate & to Correct a Scrivener's error.
QuoteA good product will bring clientele regardless of location. Many breweries are not in "desirable" locations, yet people constantly go there for good beer. Cigar City isn't exactly in the nicest location, but their taproom is usually quite busy and the fact they make the best beer in this state coupled with the craft beer explosion illustrates the fact that good beer will get people out there.
This is a great move for Intuition and I'm looking forward to watching their growth.
I wish Intuition good luck with filling their tap room when the area they are moving into is a ghost town. There is a lot riding on someone buying the shipyard property and doing something with it, in 3-5 years. When or if the Adams will be ready for toursist. I seem to remember all the folks who had great visions for this corner property during the Super Bowl. Even Jim Bailey had an option to buy it for his press at the Daily Record.
Can the new Intuition taproom survive that long on those willing to traverse Bay street? Or are the Eastside folks going to support $5, $6 and $7 pints? Heckuva risk to move the taproom without a base of solid customers.
I thought all along the idea here was increased production. A tap room was secondary. What do you think ends up with the best financial reward for the owners? To be a new "Samuel Adams" with your beer going to a wider audience or to have the most popular tap room in Jacksonville?
Instead of forecasting doom and gloom for the tap room, perhaps we should be saying thanks for still thinking of us and risking some of their hard earned cash to add at least a little extra vitality to part of Downtown.
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 19, 2014, 12:50:54 AM
QuoteA good product will bring clientele regardless of location. Many breweries are not in "desirable" locations, yet people constantly go there for good beer. Cigar City isn't exactly in the nicest location, but their taproom is usually quite busy and the fact they make the best beer in this state coupled with the craft beer explosion illustrates the fact that good beer will get people out there.
This is a great move for Intuition and I'm looking forward to watching their growth.
I wish Intuition good luck with filling their tap room when the area they are moving into is a ghost town. There is a lot riding on someone buying the shipyard property and doing something with it, in 3-5 years. When or if the Adams will be ready for toursist. I seem to remember all the folks who had great visions for this corner property during the Super Bowl. Even Jim Bailey had an option to buy it for his press at the Daily Record.
Can the new Intuition taproom survive that long on those willing to traverse Bay street? Or are the Eastside folks going to support $5, $6 and $7 pints? Heckuva risk to move the taproom without a base of solid customers.
I think you're grossly underestimating the appeal of craft beer at this time. As I stated previously, many breweries are located in less than ideal locations as zoning laws mandate that. While I could agree with your premise a little more if this were a brand new brewery, Intuition is well established in this city, and starting to become well known throughout the state.
Additionally, this location isn't too far away from a lot of people, and I'd imagine, a pretty large segment of their customer base. There's numerous examples that breweries help to facilitate growth in areas too, so perhaps this will be a catalyst for many new great things to come.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/05/in-urban-revival-beer-creates-small-business-hubs/2487625/
To repeat myself,
Quote from: Tacachale on September 15, 2014, 07:33:47 AM
I imagine there were well meaning armchair brewers who told them the previous location would never work either, and look at them now.
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 19, 2014, 12:50:54 AM
I wish Intuition good luck with filling their tap room when the area they are moving into is a ghost town. There is a lot riding on someone buying the shipyard property and doing something with it, in 3-5 years. When or if the Adams will be ready for toursist. I seem to remember all the folks who had great visions for this corner property during the Super Bowl. Even Jim Bailey had an option to buy it for his press at the Daily Record.
Can the new Intuition taproom survive that long on those willing to traverse Bay street? Or are the Eastside folks going to support $5, $6 and $7 pints? Heckuva risk to move the taproom without a base of solid customers.
Is this for real? Sometimes I can't tell if you're serious or not.
Quote from: Bridges on September 19, 2014, 09:12:07 AM
Is this for real? Sometimes I can't tell if you're serious or not.
I'm gonna go with: Dead Serious
This is a telling comment regarding your view of things, MTrain, so I took the liberty to edit it the way I understood it after reading...
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 19, 2014, 12:50:54 AM
Or are the Eastside non-white folks going to support $5, $6 and $7 pints?
I think it is a great addition to the Sports Complex. Another piece of the Bay Street puzzle.
No doubt in my mind that Intuition will be successful downtown. It will be a destination in and of itself and a reason for people to come downtown who otherwise wouldn't. No different than Bold City. The first time I drove to Bold City as I was driving I kept thinking this can't be right, I must've missed a turn.
I don't think foot traffic will be an issue. Between the sports complex and Metro Park, there is literally something going on downtown every weekend in that general area. And I think it will serve as motivation to the other downtown bars to up their game. Specifically those that market themselves as upscale.
Quote from: GatorShane on September 19, 2014, 11:29:02 AM
I think it is a great addition to the Sports Complex. Another piece of the Bay Street puzzle.
+1
For the longest time, back in the late 80s, Wynkoop Brewery in Denver was in an area that had little foot traffic and lots of warehouses. It was a destination and over the period of the 90s "LoDo" grew up around it, Coors Field and all. I'm not saying Hickenlooper and Wynkoop started the cycling of Lower Denver, but they were a major anchor.
Quote from: thunnus on September 20, 2014, 12:33:54 PM
For the longest time, back in the late 80s, Wynkoop Brewery in Denver was in an area that had little foot traffic and lots of warehouses. It was a destination and over the period of the 90s "LoDo" grew up around it, Coors Field and all. I'm not saying Hickenlooper and Wynkoop started the cycling of Lower Denver, but they were a major anchor.
That's a cool area in Denver. Someone was telling me a few years back when I was visiting that the breweries and local pubs were huge in this revitalization.
Let's see the same thing here!
What if the entire shipyards site gets purchased and developed by that cranky neighbor currently across the street from Intuition? Wouldn't that be juicy! He'll be calling in noise violations on the machinery at Maxwell House.
Walked to the Jags game yesterday, and of course went right past the building. Excellent location.
You can't help but notice there is a totally "Dead Zone" on Bay Street the entire block where the Police station and jail are. That is a massive roadblock to ever getting that area really hot. I think it will have to be moved in order to achieve the fullest potential of the Shipyards area. Having the vacant Berkman II directly across the street only exacerbates the problem. I understand there is a plan in place to turn that into a rental building, which would be a big improvement and is much needed downtown.
Can anyone update the progress (or lack of) in getting that project started?
Quote from: MusicMan on September 22, 2014, 11:06:35 AM
Walked to the Jags game yesterday, and of course went right past the building. Excellent location.
You can't help but notice there is a totally "Dead Zone" on Bay Street the entire block where the Police station and jail are. That is a massive roadblock to ever getting that area really hot. I think it will have to be moved in order to achieve the fullest potential of the Shipyards area. Having the vacant Berkman II directly across the street only exacerbates the problem. I understand there is a plan in place to turn that into a rental building, which would be a big improvement and is much needed downtown.
Can anyone update the progress (or lack of) in getting that project started?
As of about a month ago, City Council has been putting pressure on the DIA, which has been meeting regularly with the contractor and developer. Meanwhile, the Liberty Street hole fix has been stalled because of the moratorium on any budget transfers until next FY budget is settled, which hopefully is about to happen.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Intuition-Ale-Works/i-XntJpg9/0/X2/IAW%20Downtown-X2.jpg)
^ from the package sent out ahead of tomorrow's DDRB meeting
The city gave IAW unanimous approval the move forward with the plans at Bay St.
http://members.jacksonville.com/business/2014-10-02/story/city-board-oks-intuition-ale-works-bay-street-plans
QuoteIntuition Ale Works is a step closer to moving to downtown. Through 929 East Bay Street LLC, Iconic Real Estate Investments paid $2.2 million for the former Noland Building at 929 E. Bay St.
Ben Davis, owner of Intuition, is going to lease 21,000 of the building's 36,000 square feet for a new brewery and taproom with a rooftop beer garden.
He said he hopes to begin construction next month and open in September.
At the corner of Bay and A. Philip Randolph streets, the building is one block from Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena and the Baseball Grounds of Jacksonville, three blocks from Metropolitan Park and four blocks from EverBank Field.
Farley Grainger of Iconic Real Estate Investments said he is talking to potential tenants about the rest of the space but said he can't say yet who they are.
The building is structurally solid, he said, but he'll be investing in a new sprinkler system, landscaping, parking and a new roof. He expects to have close to $3 million in by the time he's done.
Davis said he has $1.5 million worth of brewing equipment ready to go into the building.
It's been vacant since Noland, a plumbing and air-conditioning products distributor, moved out in 2002. In 2004, a group paid $1.5 million for it with intentions to move the Dalton Agency there. But before they could do that, a South Florida investor offered them $3.25 million for it.
The developer announced plans for a 36-story condo tower, but that fell through and the property was foreclosed. Iconic bought the building from a New York owner.
http://jacksonville.com/business/2015-03-03/story/sale-downtown-jacksonville-building-paves-way-intuition-ale-works-new
QuoteIntuition is going to lease 21,000 of the building's 36,000 square feet
Is anything happening with the other 15,000 sf?
^ the owner is actively trying to lease it
IAW's new location on Bay Street could be open in early 2016.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=545497
Wish they could have fast-tracked it to open for the Jags season. Fall 2016 it is!
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on May 23, 2015, 09:41:05 PM
Wish they could have fast-tracked it to open for the Jags season. Fall 2016 it is!
Hey! We're talking about brewing beer. This is VERY serious business. It can't be rushed. Even for football.
anybody have an update on this?
We are going to break ground in September with an expected build out of 9 months.
Funny/frustrating how much longer this whole process is taking. We were hoping to be open in October of this year.
Only a year behind!
This project has required a lot more work on the design & engineering side than expected.
This is a huge project for us and we must make sure that every detail is addressed.
Do not want to kick ourselves 2 years from now because we rushed or overlooked something.
You know it's taking too long when your 7 year old is asking "Have you built the new brewery yet?!"
: ( ......was looking forward to going there after a Jags game this year.
^^ well great things are worth waiting for. And I am certainly looking forward to the opening.
Quote from: Intuition Ale Works on August 12, 2015, 07:25:20 PM
We are going to break ground in September with an expected build out of 9 months.
Funny/frustrating how much longer this whole process is taking. We were hoping to be open in October of this year.
Only a year behind!
This project has required a lot more work on the design & engineering side than expected.
This is a huge project for us and we must make sure that every detail is addressed.
Do not want to kick ourselves 2 years from now because we rushed or overlooked something.
You know it's taking too long when your 7 year old is asking "Have you built the new brewery yet?!"
Aren't you guys planning on having a rooftop deck? Gotta believe you had to reinforce the existing roof. If so I can understand your headache.
Anyway, great location on Randolph, you guys picked that well. I'll be at the Armada game this Saturday, wish it was open.
The rooftop structural engineering added a lot of time to the design process but it will be worth it!
Deciding on the right size of brewing equipment and implementing it in the design has been challenging also.
Nothing easy is worth doing!
My paintball gun is collecting dust. Hurry up and finish this so I can bring it out of retirement.
Glad to hear The Man isn't regulating you to death. Looking forward to it!
Auld & White Constructors LLC is doing $4.8 million renovation for the Intuition Ale Works brewery in Downtown Jacksonville.
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/money_makers/2015/08/auld-white-doing-4-8-million-renovation-for.html
Official opening will be September 6th!
http://www.intuitionaleworks.com/bay-street-location-opening-announcement/
So shutting down Riverside this weekend, Aug 27 and not re-opening until Sept 6.
Sure makes sense! 8)
Quote from: mtraininjax on August 24, 2016, 04:26:35 PM
So shutting down Riverside this weekend, Aug 27 and not re-opening until Sept 6.
Sure makes sense! 8)
well maybe they need a week to move equipment, train staff, etc. Or perhaps they just want a week off.
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 24, 2016, 04:28:36 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on August 24, 2016, 04:26:35 PM
So shutting down Riverside this weekend, Aug 27 and not re-opening until Sept 6.
Sure makes sense! 8)
well maybe they need a week to move equipment, train staff, etc. Or perhaps they just want a week off.
Nah, obviously it is to tick off mtrain.
This is going to be huge for that area. Couldn't have picked a better location or building. If anybody has ever been to the Ballpark neighborhood in Denver, it is a hugely popular district with tons of converted mixed use warehouses. Very vibrant with with many apartment buildings all surrounding Coors Field.
I would hope IAW moving to Bay St will bring more Riversiders over to Downtown and the area around the Arena\Ball field\Stadium. Right now Riverside is pretty insulated with people only venturing Downtown during the day and special events. Eventually people are going to tire of journeying back and forth and hopefully we'll see infill and new residential buildings Downtown and perhaps along A. Phillip Randolph and Union st. The potential development of the Doro Fixtures building and places like The Boxing Yard in that big budding on Union is encouraging
The surrounding neighborhood actually is pretty nice with grid streets and unique places like Old City Cemetery, although perhaps rightly so, is seen as dangerous. I would like to see more infill in the Cathedral District. More projects like Elena Flats would be awesome.
All in all, this new brewery could be the spark of a new beginning for Downtown and will be looked at in a few decades as seminal.
This is great news. Can't wait to go out there this season.
Quote from: lastdaysoffla on August 25, 2016, 12:01:53 AM
This is going to be huge for that area. Couldn't have picked a better location or building. If anybody has ever been to the Ballpark neighborhood in Denver, it is a hugely popular district with tons of converted mixed use warehouses. Very vibrant with with many apartment buildings all surrounding Coors Field.
I would hope IAW moving to Bay St will bring more Riversiders over to Downtown and the area around the Arena\Ball field\Stadium. Right now Riverside is pretty insulated with people only venturing Downtown during the day and special events. Eventually people are going to tire of journeying back and forth and hopefully we'll see infill and new residential buildings Downtown and perhaps along A. Phillip Randolph and Union st. The potential development of the Doro Fixtures building and places like The Boxing Yard in that big budding on Union is encouraging
The surrounding neighborhood actually is pretty nice with grid streets and unique places like Old City Cemetery, although perhaps rightly so, is seen as dangerous. I would like to see more infill in the Cathedral District. More projects like Elena Flats would be awesome.
All in all, this new brewery could be the spark of a new beginning for Downtown and will be looked at in a few decades as seminal.
I'm sure the CoJ is working on a plan now...to fuck it up.
Its definitely not Denver but there is one additional block containing quite a few old warehouses on it:
http://www.moderncities.com/article/2016-jun-george-doro-fixtures-downtowns-next-big-thing/page/
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Doro-Fixtures-Warehouse-Before/i-f2NdhhM/0/L/20160601_181215-L.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Doro-Fixtures-Warehouse-Before/i-QK3v9HV/0/L/20160601_184706-L.jpg)
Bringing it back online, combined with the arena, ballpark, IAW and Manifest, would create an interesting node of activity.
Wow, that wood shop is really cool.
My response would be that this location is a lot better than the old location was back in 2010, and they were obviously successful there too. The new location's more centrally located for more people, and in a much more highly trafficked area. While there's more residential around the old place, especially in 2010, the customer base did not live there.
Beyond that, there are a lot more redevelopment and infill opportunities in the Stadium District than it gets credit for. To name a few:
*The Shipyards, former Kids Kampus, and Metro Park are all prime for development
*All of the stadium lots are well set up to be developable, or partitioned for development along the streets
*Relocating First Coast News and WJCT would free up some very enviable space
*The lot behind the A Philip Randolph Garage could be developed, or replaced with another garage to free up space elsewhere
*The Jax Historical Society owns a strip by the Baseball Grounds that is currently used for parking, but if interest is there, it could be developed instead
*The Fairgrounds can't do much else with its block, but it owns at least one other property north of the Garage that could be redeveloped
*There are smaller lots, such as the greenspace just north of the Arena, that could be developed along the lines of the space south of the Arena where the garage and bar is.
Longer term, we also have:
*Lots of available area along Randolph in the Eastside
*Many underused industrial sites to the west
*In 20 years, it'll be time for a new jail and police HQ, which will open that whole block.
All of this, of course, would require a lot of money and political will. But it appears Khan is looking already. More than Denver, the area I'd compare this to is the Arena District (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_District) in Columbus, Ohio. That area also grew around sports uses (an NHL arena, minor league ballpark, and concert venue), and is mostly infill, rather than rehabs, which is what we'd need here. It took a while, but it's been a major success and if anything, it's helped the rest of its downtown revitalize by adding a lot of new residents and creating continuous blocks of used space between them.
Even without all that, Intuition will make bank on event days, even if things end up slower on other days. You could pick a much worse spot for a bar that also requires a ton of industrial space with high ceilings and truck access.
If the other warehouses were developed that lake posted and Jax sports taverns upstairs was fixed up/whole place was open regular hours and not just game days, you could do a pretty sweet bar crawl here even on non event nights.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 25, 2016, 09:31:12 AM
Its definitely not Denver but there is one additional block containing quite a few old warehouses on it:
http://www.moderncities.com/article/2016-jun-george-doro-fixtures-downtowns-next-big-thing/page/
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Doro-Fixtures-Warehouse-Before/i-f2NdhhM/0/L/20160601_181215-L.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Doro-Fixtures-Warehouse-Before/i-QK3v9HV/0/L/20160601_184706-L.jpg)
Bringing it back online, combined with the arena, ballpark, IAW and Manifest, would create an interesting node of activity.
For sure. I wish the baseball field and arena had better interaction with some retail on the street... :-[
The baseball field and Arena have great street interaction for those types of facilities. The baseball field especially creates activity on both Randolph and Adams on game days, which would benefit Intuition (and vice versa). This would go a long way to making a nice hub of regular activity even without major infill.
QuoteThe baseball field especially creates activity on both Randolph and Adams on game days
Sadly an entire neighborhood had to be torn down to build the new complexes.
Just a reminder: New Taproom opens today!
1pm - 10pm
http://www.intuitionaleworks.com/bay-street-location-opening-announcement/
I saw some pictures on yelp... It looks freaking sweet! Between this, Sweet Pete's and Cowford Chophouse, Jacksonville will have some great historic renovated venues
Glad to see this announcement here. It is not mentioned on their website.
Quote from: MusicMan on September 06, 2016, 04:06:47 PM
Glad to see this announcement here. It is not mentioned on their website.
The announcement on here is literally a link to their website.
A note of caution if you are looking for a parking spot nearby... it is soccer game day and it will cost $25+ to park tonight
I didn't realize they were going to serve Blacksheep food inside! I can't wait to see this place in person. Manifest Distillery opens on the 25th. Does anyone know if they'll have food as well?
They have done an incredible job with the brewery. Absolutely stunning inside and out. I'm glad you guys gave Downtown the opportunity for the locating the facility down here and look forward to coming in often.
I went on Tuesday and I really only saw about a third of it. The complex is huge and looks great. I know that they will be successful in this new location.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 08, 2016, 09:41:34 AM
I went on Tuesday and I really only saw about a third of it. The complex is huge and looks great. I know that they will be successful in this new location.
How can they NOT be successful? IAW (and Bold City) have made the transition to where their profitable on distribution alone. The taprooms only serve to pad the bottom line. And good for Ben and his crew. I'm sure he'd say the same thing, but the amount of money that they're going to start pushing from that location is going to be obscene. I wouldn't think he's going to lose the regular crowd, and then you add in all of the additional walk-up traffic from events and general tourists staying downtown... He just quadrupled what he was bringing in on King St.
Hopefully we'll soon see the same thing from E15 soon.
Also, Blacksheep has signage up down there and will have a kitchen of sorts...
From Springfield, not isolated at all ;D
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on September 08, 2016, 12:13:53 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 08, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 08, 2016, 09:41:34 AM
I went on Tuesday and I really only saw about a third of it. The complex is huge and looks great. I know that they will be successful in this new location.
How can they NOT be successful? IAW (and Bold City) have made the transition to where their profitable on distribution alone. The taprooms only serve to pad the bottom line. And good for Ben and his crew. I'm sure he'd say the same thing, but the amount of money that they're going to start pushing from that location is going to be obscene. I wouldn't think he's going to lose the regular crowd, and then you add in all of the additional walk-up traffic from events and general tourists staying downtown... He just quadrupled what he was bringing in on King St.
Hopefully we'll soon see the same thing from E15 soon.
Unless NFL gamedays (10 days a year) bring in some ridiculous revenue, I just don't see it.
What about the Armada? Or the Suns? Or the arena crowd? Or other stadium events? Or concerts at the new amphitheater? Or the fair? Or private events and receptions?
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on September 08, 2016, 12:13:53 PM
...why would this be any different, especially when it's even more isolated and inconvenient?
What Ken said mostly, add in the clustering that Stephen mentioned and then you just add the random tourist that would enjoy visiting a brewery while in town due to the overall craft scene moxie.
Besides, even for your typical King St. crawl, IAW was kind of out of the way. I'm willing to make a wager that the majority (80-90%) of the regulars that you saw at King St. will be in their same seats.
Besides, there are already some awesome ideas being tossed around for uses of the Doro buildings.... I think the first domino has fallen and I expect the surrounding area to blow up in a way that King St. could only dream since they're not bound by a bunch of preexisting.... well.... anything. My guess is that there's going to be a residential component soon. Probably only about 4-6 years behind what you see happening now.
Quote from: stephendare on September 08, 2016, 12:45:20 PM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on September 08, 2016, 12:13:53 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 08, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 08, 2016, 09:41:34 AM
I went on Tuesday and I really only saw about a third of it. The complex is huge and looks great. I know that they will be successful in this new location.
How can they NOT be successful? IAW (and Bold City) have made the transition to where their profitable on distribution alone. The taprooms only serve to pad the bottom line. And good for Ben and his crew. I'm sure he'd say the same thing, but the amount of money that they're going to start pushing from that location is going to be obscene. I wouldn't think he's going to lose the regular crowd, and then you add in all of the additional walk-up traffic from events and general tourists staying downtown... He just quadrupled what he was bringing in on King St.
Hopefully we'll soon see the same thing from E15 soon.
Unless NFL gamedays (10 days a year) bring in some ridiculous revenue, I just don't see it. The average person who hit the Riverside taproom (as part of a King Street crawl, or just because it was a great place to grab a good beer), just probably isn't venturing that far downtown at this point. The core already has several great bars that aren't exactly breaking any revenue records, why would this be any different, especially when it's even more isolated and inconvenient?
I think because it adds yet another venue thats cool, local, and serves a great product with a popular brand recognition. It will add to the synergy, and frankly, downtown could use Ben Davis' voice in the mix.
Quote from: 02roadking on September 08, 2016, 12:59:19 PM
Also, Blacksheep has signage up down there and will have a kitchen of sorts...
From Springfield, not isolated at all ;D
Yeah, it's not as if the old building was in a tremendous location, especially back in 2010 before King Street really took off, and it still did well. The current location isn't terribly inconvenient from Riverside, and it's a lot more convenient from Springfield, San Marco, Downtown, and really, everywhere else in the city. Plus, the Jags and other events will likely be a major windfall.
Plus, compared to a number of other breweries in town, Intuition is less reliant on the tap room (though the new taproom is indeed awesome). The canning and kegging operation is a bigger part of the business than for, say, Aardwolf or Green Room. That requires a lot of space and high ceilings. I doubt there are very many spaces comparable in size and price in Riverside or similar neighborhoods.
QuoteYeah, it's not as if the old building was in a tremendous location, especially back in 2010 before King Street really took off, and it still did well. The current location isn't terribly inconvenient from Riverside, and it's a lot more convenient from Springfield, San Marco, Downtown, and really, everywhere else in the city. Plus, the Jags and other events will likely be a major windfall.
How many owners has City Pub been through? It was supposedly going to be printing money from all the events downtown.......and its been open and closed and opened and closed more times than one can count. IAW downtown will do well this fall, but look at what happens after fooball season. They better have a LOT more events to drive people down there. Octoberfest has sucked since Memorial Park turned it into a fundraiser. Really wish Ben would bring it back to the new location, there is a lot more room there for it too!
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 08, 2016, 05:18:40 PM
QuoteYeah, it's not as if the old building was in a tremendous location, especially back in 2010 before King Street really took off, and it still did well. The current location isn't terribly inconvenient from Riverside, and it's a lot more convenient from Springfield, San Marco, Downtown, and really, everywhere else in the city. Plus, the Jags and other events will likely be a major windfall.
How many owners has City Pub been through? It was supposedly going to be printing money from all the events downtown.......and its been open and closed and opened and closed more times than one can count. IAW downtown will do well this fall, but look at what happens after fooball season. They better have a LOT more events to drive people down there. Octoberfest has sucked since Memorial Park turned it into a fundraiser. Really wish Ben would bring it back to the new location, there is a lot more room there for it too!
The pub doesn't have the draw that Intuition does. If Intuition could draw people to a industrial stretch in what was widely perceived as a distressed area of Riverside, they can draw people to the well known and easily accessible stadium district.
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 08, 2016, 05:18:40 PM
QuoteYeah, it's not as if the old building was in a tremendous location, especially back in 2010 before King Street really took off, and it still did well. The current location isn't terribly inconvenient from Riverside, and it's a lot more convenient from Springfield, San Marco, Downtown, and really, everywhere else in the city. Plus, the Jags and other events will likely be a major windfall.
How many owners has City Pub been through? It was supposedly going to be printing money from all the events downtown.......and its been open and closed and opened and closed more times than one can count. IAW downtown will do well this fall, but look at what happens after fooball season. They better have a LOT more events to drive people down there. Octoberfest has sucked since Memorial Park turned it into a fundraiser. Really wish Ben would bring it back to the new location, there is a lot more room there for it too!
They are having Oktoberfest at the new location on 9/17. Bought my tickets yesterday.
Does anybody have any pictures from the new location?
It's a nice space. Pleasant surprise to see Black Sheep in there, wonder what type of grub they will offer.
There is no way the one U shaped bar can possibly accommodate a big crowd, so I hope there will be satellite stations/taps placed strategically around the place to serve the beer.
The Hawaiian food truck was good. They sold a lot of food that night.
Should be rockin' on Sunday, 'specially if the Jags win.
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 08, 2016, 05:18:40 PM
QuoteYeah, it's not as if the old building was in a tremendous location, especially back in 2010 before King Street really took off, and it still did well. The current location isn't terribly inconvenient from Riverside, and it's a lot more convenient from Springfield, San Marco, Downtown, and really, everywhere else in the city. Plus, the Jags and other events will likely be a major windfall.
How many owners has City Pub been through? It was supposedly going to be printing money from all the events downtown.......and its been open and closed and opened and closed more times than one can count. IAW downtown will do well this fall, but look at what happens after fooball season. They better have a LOT more events to drive people down there. Octoberfest has sucked since Memorial Park turned it into a fundraiser. Really wish Ben would bring it back to the new location, there is a lot more room there for it too!
why you hate?
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on September 08, 2016, 12:13:53 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 08, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 08, 2016, 09:41:34 AM
I went on Tuesday and I really only saw about a third of it. The complex is huge and looks great. I know that they will be successful in this new location.
How can they NOT be successful? IAW (and Bold City) have made the transition to where their profitable on distribution alone. The taprooms only serve to pad the bottom line. And good for Ben and his crew. I'm sure he'd say the same thing, but the amount of money that they're going to start pushing from that location is going to be obscene. I wouldn't think he's going to lose the regular crowd, and then you add in all of the additional walk-up traffic from events and general tourists staying downtown... He just quadrupled what he was bringing in on King St.
Hopefully we'll soon see the same thing from E15 soon.
Unless NFL gamedays (10 days a year) bring in some ridiculous revenue, I just don't see it. The average person who hit the Riverside taproom (as part of a King Street crawl, or just because it was a great place to grab a good beer), just probably isn't venturing that far downtown at this point. The core already has several great bars that aren't exactly breaking any revenue records, why would this be any different, especially when it's even more isolated and inconvenient?
are you sad? why you hate?
Quote from: KenFSU on September 08, 2016, 12:59:32 PM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on September 08, 2016, 12:13:53 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 08, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 08, 2016, 09:41:34 AM
I went on Tuesday and I really only saw about a third of it. The complex is huge and looks great. I know that they will be successful in this new location.
How can they NOT be successful? IAW (and Bold City) have made the transition to where their profitable on distribution alone. The taprooms only serve to pad the bottom line. And good for Ben and his crew. I'm sure he'd say the same thing, but the amount of money that they're going to start pushing from that location is going to be obscene. I wouldn't think he's going to lose the regular crowd, and then you add in all of the additional walk-up traffic from events and general tourists staying downtown... He just quadrupled what he was bringing in on King St.
Hopefully we'll soon see the same thing from E15 soon.
Unless NFL gamedays (10 days a year) bring in some ridiculous revenue, I just don't see it.
What about the Armada? Or the Suns? Or the arena crowd? Or other stadium events? Or concerts at the new amphitheater? Or the fair? Or private events and receptions?
+1000
Intuition expanding their downtown location:
https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2019/08/26/intuition-ale-works-expands-its-downtown-operation.html?iana=hpmvp_jac_news_headline
Is this the same space that the Dora District development was proposed in?
Quote from: dp8541 on August 26, 2019, 05:23:41 PM
Is this the same space that the Dora District development was proposed in?
No, it sounds like it's space in the building they're currently in.
It is the retail space next to Manifest Distillery in the same building