http://www.news4jax.com/news/large-disturbance-at-the-river-city-market-place/-/475880/23650904/-/r53hy5z/-/index.html (http://www.news4jax.com/news/large-disturbance-at-the-river-city-market-place/-/475880/23650904/-/r53hy5z/-/index.html)
File this under why the Northside can't have nice things
Good lord, the comments on that article. Does News4Jax even bother to moderate?
^ having been to that theater twice, the general demographics don't seem much different there than at any of the others in town.
Quote from: FSBA on December 26, 2013, 06:51:53 AM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/large-disturbance-at-the-river-city-market-place/-/475880/23650904/-/r53hy5z/-/index.html (http://www.news4jax.com/news/large-disturbance-at-the-river-city-market-place/-/475880/23650904/-/r53hy5z/-/index.html)
File this under why the Northside can't have nice things
Gotta love BLACK kids right?
Quote from: Crabernacle on December 26, 2013, 07:09:44 AM
Good lord, the comments on that article. Does News4Jax even bother to moderate?
Why Moderate? Let the racist vent. Its good to vent.
The news has gone national.
http://news.yahoo.com/600-people-involved-movie-theater-brawl-5-arrested-182829797--abc-news-topstories.html (http://news.yahoo.com/600-people-involved-movie-theater-brawl-5-arrested-182829797--abc-news-topstories.html)
http://www.news4jax.com/news/5-arrested-as-police-disperse-hundreds-at-theater/-/475880/23654920/-/item/1/-/aadksgz/-/index.html
Unbelievable how these parents are blaming the police officers. no wonder these thugs acting the way they are.
Quote from: Rynjny on December 26, 2013, 08:19:01 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/5-arrested-as-police-disperse-hundreds-at-theater/-/475880/23654920/-/item/1/-/aadksgz/-/index.html
Unbelievable how these parents are blaming the police officers. no wonder these thugs acting the way they are.
Well it can't be the fault of the parents. Their children were angels until the cops showed up and started harassing them. [/sarcasm]
RCM to follow Regency if this kind of crap continues. And per the owner of Boston's not the first time this has happend. Obviously not to this extent. Pretty sure if I was having dinner and my restaurant had to go into lockdown it would be a long time before I returned.
Quote from: carpnter on December 26, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Well it can't be the fault of the parents. Their children were angels until the cops showed up and started harassing them. [/sarcasm]
That's where the problem starts, no accountability - it's sad really.
Quote from: coredumped on December 26, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
Quote from: carpnter on December 26, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Well it can't be the fault of the parents. Their children were angels until the cops showed up and started harassing them. [/sarcasm]
That's where the problem starts, no accountability - it's sad really.
It's like if a kid got arrested, the parent would automatically blame the police for unnecessarily force. it's getting stupid.
What gets me is that anytime I had been to that theater on Friday/Saturday night or holiday there was always atleast 2-3 JSO cars out there. Its not like these kids didn't know there were cops there.
I know that some sugarcoaters probably are gonna say "It's no big deal". Yeah sure, it wasn't a 'big deal' with Regency and Gateway either....This can happen out in the burbs so easily? Imagine what will happen with something decent downtown? Once that bad perception starts to sink in and persist, other problems (vacancies) will soon follow.
Quote from: edjax on December 26, 2013, 09:33:35 PM
RCM to follow Regency if this kind of crap continues.
+1000
In Miami, they had a shootout in Dadeland Mall in the early 1980s. It's as ritzy today as it's ever been. I think RCM will be just fine until a newer competitor opens up.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 26, 2013, 11:00:21 PM
I think RCM will be just fine until a newer competitor opens up.
I can't foresee anything opening up to the scale of RCMP on the Northside.
Quote from: Rynjny on December 26, 2013, 10:10:51 PM
It's like if a kid got arrested, the parent would automatically blame the police for unnecessarily force. it's getting stupid.
I agree. There was one (out of five) parent that wasn't in denial, and didn't blame everything on JSO.
Quote from: I-10east on December 26, 2013, 11:07:48 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on December 26, 2013, 11:00:21 PM
I think RCM will be just fine until a newer competitor opens up.
I can't foresee anything opening up to the scale of RCMP on the Northside.
Give it another decade or so and there will probably be something similar proposed for Nassau County. By the same token, let another decade or so pass and you'll see something that will compete with SJTC proposed for St. Johns County. It's a 60 year old development pattern here.
^^and more crap like this will only hasten that development n Nassau county.
More likely, sprawl towards/in Nassau and the eventual aging of RCM will. It's inevitable. Regency is a success because it's taken +40 years to get to where it is today. With most centers, they decline by year 20.
Of course it will eventually. But you don't believe if a business owner has to go in lockdown mode a few times they aren't going to be looking for some convenient sprawl a little quicker?
It's not just the Northside of JAX, what about the riot that took place at JAX beach on Memorial Day and the other one that took place at Walmart on Lem Turner.........becoming a common theme for JAX, all of these incidents went viral on national news......
I overheard an interesting conversation among some white folks at the Ortega River Club.
They professed to be among Jacksonville's ignorant white population- they were still living here!
By the way, "Melee" is magnificent word crafting, creative.
Quote from: edjax on December 26, 2013, 11:34:51 PM
Of course it will eventually. But you don't believe if a business owner has to go in lockdown mode a few times they aren't going to be looking for some convenient sprawl a little quicker?
The riot in 5 Points a few years ago didn't seem to hurt it. Nor the recent lockdown of the Park & King area.
If people look at isolated incidents and say "I'm moving" then there's not much you can do about it.
Related, I go to the RCMP on a semi-regular basis and have never seen or heard anything unusual.
^They'd have a problem with most communities across the country. You can't escape the possibility of an isolated incident.
If I worked in the news media I would see a dangerous epidemic here.
Not sure it was said they should move because of one isolated incident but if this continues. And the owner of Boston's indicated I believe that this was not the first incident. Obviously any prior ones were not to this extent but none the less has happend before.
Tough break for some good kids.
Doesn't Corrinne Deliver? Why can't she deliver a movie theatre to Gateway Mall and replace the shell of the space that the Supervisor of Elections vacated? Coles spent almost a million bucks downtown and she did not even want to be part of his deal. I am waiting to see her come out and discuss what needs to be done to the Northside. When we all know there needs to be a place for the kids and families to go to in their community.
Quote from: mtraininjax on December 27, 2013, 11:11:50 AM
Doesn't Corrinne Deliver? Why can't she deliver a movie theatre to Gateway Mall and replace the shell of the space that the Supervisor of Elections vacated? Coles spent almost a million bucks downtown and she did not even want to be part of his deal. I am waiting to see her come out and discuss what needs to be done to the Northside. When we all know there needs to be a place for the kids and families to go to in their community.
FYI the RCMP is in Ander Crenshaw's district
Riot: A form of civil disorder characterized often by what is thought of as disorganized groups lashing out in a sudden and intense rash of violence against authority, property or people wikipedia.
Melee: ...generally refers to disorganized close combat involving a group of fighters. A melee ensues when groups become locked together in combat with no regard to group tactics or fighting as an organized unit; each participant fights as an individual. wikipedia
When you guys figure out how this was anything near a riot let me know. 'Till then, sounds like too many black kids in one area and so, obviously, a century of terror was about to spread throughout Jacksonville. 5 people were arrested for taking a "fighting stance." It doesn't even read like an actual fight took place, anywhere.
No one was harmed. Nothing was vandalized. How is it that 600 people involved in a riot managed to do so little. That's the real crime, isn't it? The most ineffective rioters, ever.
As a general rule if a car is not on fire it is not a riot.
For a refresher, these are just a few pictures of riots:
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.16897.1313675067!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/gal-hockey-riots-2-jpg.jpg)
(http://wanderfulworldtac.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/madrid.jpg)
(http://www.sicklycat.com/wp-content/uploads/1-3.jpg)
(http://inequalitiesblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/londonriots.jpg)
And, if only a melee how can this group of fighters be so ineffectual in hurting one another?
These are some pictures that I think must be meant by "melee":
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EBfTFI0mtsM/TYhtsNIOpBI/AAAAAAAAAKw/LUagDdymxq8/s1600/IMGP5554.jpg)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7500000/Bad-MJ-Behind-The-Scenes-michael-jackson-7566103-775-520.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PbMQUz2xJR4/TkGZF7ssXbI/AAAAAAAAAN0/shNAo4wGu-E/s1600/gang+fight.jpg)
Quote from: thelakelander on December 26, 2013, 11:00:21 PM
In Miami, they had a shootout in Dadeland Mall in the early 1980s. It's as ritzy today as it's ever been. I think RCM will be just fine until a newer competitor opens up.
30+ years is enough time for either or both of these things to happen: 1) the area demographics/reputation changed or 2) memories fade and it became forgotten.
Stereotypes and perceptions are hard to change, I wouldn't take it too lightly that a pattern of incidents could harm the immediate and semi-long term future of this area.
QuoteFYI the RCMP is in Ander Crenshaw's district
You missed the point entirely.
Gateway mall has a Corrinne delivers sign over it, she delivers to her constituents, so work to get a theatre created closer to her base. Gateway mall has a lot of open space now from the supervisor of elections move out. Some of that Public/Private partnership the mayor got elected on. Let's see it work.
^^^ He never said that the RCMP is in Corrine Brown's district. Maybe the Corrine post was pseudo-off topic a tad? Probably. Totally incomprehensible given with the 'theaters in the Northside' correlation? No.
Sadly this is not the only incident at RCMP. The last one was I believe earlier this year when some kid shot a gun inside of Buffalo Wild Wings. This latest was by far the largest though.
Quotehuh?
Either its in Crenshaw's district or it isnt.
What on earth are you going on about vis a vis Corrine?
Never discussed that the theatre was in Corrine's district, only stated that since she delivers, she could help someone, like a Laveranues Coles help develop a Theatre chain in the empty and VACANT space where the Supervisor of Elections just left.
With all the pull between Alvin an Corrine, it should be done soon. Public/Private partnerships are exploding everywhere. Maybe some from the secret Riverside clubhouse group would want to invest their money?
Of course it's the police's fault. I'm sure these same pathetic parent(s) have been defending their little thug angels all through school. Theyre used to being defended because the parent(s) are children too..
Quote from: stephendare on December 29, 2013, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: jaxinatl on December 29, 2013, 09:02:39 PM
Of course it's the police's fault. I'm sure these same pathetic parent(s) have been defending their little thug angels all through school. Theyre used to being defended because the parent(s) are children too..
oh. so you know all of the people involved with the incident then? Why didnt you text them to get out of the area?
So far no one has said why there were 600 people gathered outside. I would bet most of those knew what was going on & could have left any time. No?
Quote from: stephendare on December 29, 2013, 10:58:23 PM
i really don't know, peestandingup. But jaxinatl knows their parents. Perhaps he can shed some light on it.
Good point. We don't know their parents so it's unfair to criticize them. Still, I hope at least some of their mothers whipped their kid's asses after this. I know mine would have.
Where is Jessie Jackson when you need him? :P
Quote from: mbwright on December 30, 2013, 09:03:31 AM
Where is Jessie Jackson when you need him? :P
trying to shakedown Cracker Barell?
HA!
Quote from: stephendare on December 30, 2013, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: fsquid on December 30, 2013, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: mbwright on December 30, 2013, 09:03:31 AM
Where is Jessie Jackson when you need him? :P
trying to shakedown Cracker Barell?
I think he was hoping to introduce a remedial spelling course at the restaurant. Apparently there is a need.
There is, thank god I deal in numbers
TheCat's last image looks far to organized to be considered a Melee.
Why are there no comments about the organized group that started the whole thing, but was thwarted by a security guard at the theater?
Remember, an organized group of teenagers tried to rush the entrance to the theater so that they could get in without paying. What were they thinking? Were they the ones who had a temper tantrum like toddlers and cause the "whatever" in the parking lot because their bit of fun didn't come off as they had planned?
That first bit was not spontaneous. JSO looking at social media?
Quote from: stephendare on December 29, 2013, 10:58:23 PM
i really don't know, peestandingup. But jaxinatl knows their parents. Perhaps he can shed some light on it.
Ha.
Quote from: JaxNative68 on December 30, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
TheCat's last image looks far to organized to be considered a Melee.
Interpretive Melee?
Quote from: Dog Walker on December 30, 2013, 09:02:01 PM
Why are there no comments about the organized group that started the whole thing, but was thwarted by a security guard at the theater?
Remember, an organized group of teenagers tried to rush the entrance to the theater so that they could get in without paying. What were they thinking? Were they the ones who had a temper tantrum like toddlers and cause the "whatever" in the parking lot because their bit of fun didn't come off as they had planned?
That first bit was not spontaneous. JSO looking at social media?
kids will be kids
Quote from: Dog Walker on December 30, 2013, 09:02:01 PM
Why are there no comments about the organized group that started the whole thing, but was thwarted by a security guard at the theater?
Remember, an organized group of teenagers tried to rush the entrance to the theater so that they could get in without paying. What were they thinking? Were they the ones who had a temper tantrum like toddlers and cause the "whatever" in the parking lot because their bit of fun didn't come off as they had planned?
That first bit was not spontaneous. JSO looking at social media?
Or how a 600-person mob gathered out in the parking lots right afterwards. Like I said earlier, they knew why they were there & what was going on. You don't gather like that unless you want to start some shit.
Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with stuff like this if its for some kind of just cause (protest, revolutions, your general end of days scenario, you know, whatevs), but not for a bunch of retards who got kicked out of a theatre for not paying then tried to cause more trouble. Things accomplished = Zero.
Quote from: fsquid on December 30, 2013, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on December 30, 2013, 09:02:01 PM
Why are there no comments about the organized group that started the whole thing, but was thwarted by a security guard at the theater?
Remember, an organized group of teenagers tried to rush the entrance to the theater so that they could get in without paying. What were they thinking? Were they the ones who had a temper tantrum like toddlers and cause the "whatever" in the parking lot because their bit of fun didn't come off as they had planned?
That first bit was not spontaneous. JSO looking at social media?
kids will be kids
Adorable at that huh.