Brooklyn Retail Project Revised Again
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/2669970498_9ZcwxRf-M.jpg)
Another month ushers in another site plan modification for Fuqua Development's proposed retail development in Brooklyn. However, urbanites may consider the latest version an improvement over previous concepts.
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-aug-brooklyn-retail-project-revised-again
Big improvement! Now, if they could just replace those crap myrtles (not a misspelling) and palm trees along the sidewalk with a better shade tree.. I'd really be ecstatic.
Apparently whoever was going to be Retailer B has moved on. This is an improvement.
It still looks like they are using the Skyway public right-of-way for their landscaping.
Quote from: vicupstate on August 01, 2013, 06:16:32 AM
Apparently whoever was going to be Retailer B has moved on. This is an improvement.
It was CVS and they backed out. Definitely an improvement.
Anyone have an iota of an idea who any of these future tenants are? Crossing my fingers we won't see a Wal Mart Neighborhood Market.
Big improvement. I guess all our curmudgeonliness had some effect. ;)
Also, if that landscaping is really the Skyway ROW I doubt shade trees would be a good idea. Maybe replace the palms on the other side of the sidewalk.
Quote from: ben says on August 01, 2013, 08:24:17 AM
Anyone have an iota of an idea who any of these future tenants are? Crossing my fingers we won't see a Wal Mart Neighborhood Market.
Not Wal Mart...
Quote from: Tacachale on August 01, 2013, 08:28:41 AM
Big improvement. I guess all our curmudgeonliness had some effect. ;)
Also, if that landscaping is really the Skyway ROW I doubt shade trees would be a good idea. Maybe replace the palms on the other side of the sidewalk.
Yes, that landscaping appears to be in Skyway ROW. However, the Skyway isn't being extended that far anytime soon. The proposed station would be just north of this development.
Quote from: ben says on August 01, 2013, 08:24:17 AM
Anyone have an iota of an idea who any of these future tenants are? Crossing my fingers we won't see a Wal Mart Neighborhood Market.
yeah...I don't think they count as an organic grocer
Quote from: thelakelander on August 01, 2013, 08:54:28 AM
Yes, that landscaping appears to be in Skyway ROW. However, the Skyway isn't being extended that far anytime soon. The proposed station would be just north of this development.
As in, more or less adjacent to the Maintenance Shack? That means riders-turned-pedestrians are crossing that circle-back thingy coming off Riverside to get onto Lela.
...although from the looks of it on Google Maps, I can't imagine there being THAT much potential traffic on that little cut-back...
Still. it's better than nothing. Good stuff.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 01, 2013, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on August 01, 2013, 08:28:41 AM
Big improvement. I guess all our curmudgeonliness had some effect. ;)
Also, if that landscaping is really the Skyway ROW I doubt shade trees would be a good idea. Maybe replace the palms on the other side of the sidewalk.
Yes, that landscaping appears to be in Skyway ROW. However, the Skyway isn't being extended that far anytime soon. The proposed station would be just north of this development.
Still probably not a great idea to plant something there that ought to be a permanent fixture and costs thousands of dollars to remove. At any rate, do you have a map of all the proposed projects together?
Quote from: Doctor_K on August 01, 2013, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on August 01, 2013, 08:54:28 AM
Yes, that landscaping appears to be in Skyway ROW. However, the Skyway isn't being extended that far anytime soon. The proposed station would be just north of this development.
As in, more or less adjacent to the Maintenance Shack? That means riders-turned-pedestrians are crossing that circle-back thingy coming off Riverside to get onto Lela.
Yes, that's where the proposed station is, someone correct me if I'm wrong. But seriously, what's the deal with that goofy circle thing? And airline food. Sorry, I'm very tired this morning.
FDOT put that circle in for Acosta Bridge drivers wanting to make a left turn into the TU's property.
Also, I'll have to make an updated map showing the site plans of all recent projects. Pope & Land and the Skyway need to be added to my old map.
They'll plant water oaks and JTA will nail a future Skyway extension to them!
This is an improvement.
I wonder what the rear of the grocery will look like?? IMO, that is the side the SHOULD be addressing the pedestrian because its the side facing the customers!
So much better without a parking lot fronting Riverside Avenue.
I'd like to see a sidewalk on the Magnolia st side. as someone said above, that is where many potential customers will be coming from. And retails A, A1, and A2 should try to work in back door entrances/exits to give those customers more direct access. Definitely an improvement, could still be better, but they do deserve some credit for their efforts.
What is "The Brooklyn Riverside" behind Magnolia street?
Well done loud people, DDRB and kudos to Fuqua Development. This is not a perfect development but it has become a good one.
Quote from: BrooklynSouth on August 01, 2013, 03:35:33 PM
What is "The Brooklyn Riverside" behind Magnolia street?
the proposed apartment complex
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-jul-brooklyn-riverside-residential-development-renderings
So teanet B has disappeared. Any word on why? Did the design not fit their site requirements?
I feel like we won the lottery. A very minimal, weird, unnecessary lottery, but we won something and it feels good.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 01, 2013, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on August 01, 2013, 08:28:41 AM
Big improvement. I guess all our curmudgeonliness had some effect. ;)
Also, if that landscaping is really the Skyway ROW I doubt shade trees would be a good idea. Maybe replace the palms on the other side of the sidewalk.
Yes, that landscaping appears to be in Skyway ROW. However, the Skyway isn't being extended that far anytime soon. The proposed station would be just north of this development.
What's the best case time frame for the extension?
Quote from: duvaldude08 on August 01, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
So teanet B has disappeared. Any word on why? Did the design not fit their site requirements?
Exactly. The second story down at the bottom on the link explains tenant B's departure.
www.jaxdailyrecord.com/downtowntoday.php?dt_date=2013-08-01
Quote from: ben says on August 01, 2013, 08:24:17 AM
Anyone have an iota of an idea who any of these future tenants are? Crossing my fingers we won't see a Wal Mart Neighborhood Market.
According to the JDR link above, it's gonna be a Fresh Market.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on August 01, 2013, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on August 01, 2013, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on August 01, 2013, 08:28:41 AM
Big improvement. I guess all our curmudgeonliness had some effect. ;)
Also, if that landscaping is really the Skyway ROW I doubt shade trees would be a good idea. Maybe replace the palms on the other side of the sidewalk.
Yes, that landscaping appears to be in Skyway ROW. However, the Skyway isn't being extended that far anytime soon. The proposed station would be just north of this development.
What's the best case time frame for the extension?
An actual extension south of the proposed station? My honest personal opinion? I doubt it ever happens.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on August 01, 2013, 05:38:08 PM
I feel like we won the lottery. A very minimal, weird, unnecessary lottery, but we won something and it feels good.
The change was a result of CVS backing from the deal and the developers/future owners designing a site more suitable for restaurants. And since the cat is out of the bag in that link, it is going to be a Fresh Market.
Yeah, it was always a Fresh Market. The footprint and square footage is nearly identical to the Fresh Markets on Atlantic and San Jose.
Quote from: I-10east on August 01, 2013, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on August 01, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
So teanet B has disappeared. Any word on why? Did the design not fit their site requirements?
Exactly. The second story down at the bottom on the link explains tenant B's departure.
www.jaxdailyrecord.com/downtowntoday.php?dt_date=2013-08-01
No it doesn't. That article explains why they have to seek approval (on an already approve project) for the revised site plan. The site plan was revised after CVS pulled out. They had to add additional parking because restaurants require more parking than a pharmacy.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 01, 2013, 06:06:39 PM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on August 01, 2013, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on August 01, 2013, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on August 01, 2013, 08:28:41 AM
Big improvement. I guess all our curmudgeonliness had some effect. ;)
Also, if that landscaping is really the Skyway ROW I doubt shade trees would be a good idea. Maybe replace the palms on the other side of the sidewalk.
Yes, that landscaping appears to be in Skyway ROW. However, the Skyway isn't being extended that far anytime soon. The proposed station would be just north of this development.
What's the best case time frame for the extension?
An actual extension south of the proposed station? My honest personal opinion? I doubt it ever happens.
No, the proposed station.
Quote from: CityLife on August 01, 2013, 06:18:20 PM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on August 01, 2013, 05:38:08 PM
I feel like we won the lottery. A very minimal, weird, unnecessary lottery, but we won something and it feels good.
The change was a result of CVS backing from the deal and the developers/future owners designing a site more suitable for restaurants. And since the cat is out of the bag in that link, it is going to be a Fresh Market.
Right, we got very lucky. Maybe I should go buy a lottery ticket too.
Gotcha Maximus. Thought you meant they changed it due to MJ or negative feedback.
Quote from: I-10east on August 01, 2013, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: ben says on August 01, 2013, 08:24:17 AM
Anyone have an iota of an idea who any of these future tenants are? Crossing my fingers we won't see a Wal Mart Neighborhood Market.
According to the JDR link above, it's gonna be a Fresh Market.
Fantastic!
Quote from: CityLife on August 01, 2013, 06:27:16 PM
No it doesn't. That article explains why they have to seek approval (on an already approve project) for the revised site plan. The site plan was revised after CVS pulled out. They had to add additional parking because restaurants require more parking than a pharmacy.
First sentence on that article link..."The developers of a proposed retail center in Brooklyn have
scrapped plans for a pharmacy and instead seek more parking to accommodate additional restaurants".
I could see if it read "The pharmacy pulls out of the retail center, so the developers revised their plan with additional restaurants". Then that would not have explained tenant B's departure.
Any idea on what restaurants might go there? I saw one mock up said "Modern Taco" that suggests place holder text for Chipotle.
Also, how has Fresh Market done so far in Jacksonville? I'm don't go out of my way to eat organic but I know Whole Foods is the king of that market.
as to the proposed station...if JTA gets the TIGER grant (should be announced this fall), then the new station would open in early 2017
Did it receive approval today?
Everyone raved about Fresh Market so I finally went to the one on Atlantic out by the Beaches a year or so ago. Lots of bins of junk food in the middle of the store, masquerading as natural foods. Lots of overpriced meats. A few aisles of canned goods. Honestly, I was not impressed. Did I catch it on a bad day? Did I miss something?
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 01, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
as to the proposed station...if JTA gets the TIGER grant (should be announced this fall), then the new station would open in early 2017
Is this time frame impossible without the grant?
Quote from: I-10east on August 01, 2013, 07:51:12 PM
Quote from: CityLife on August 01, 2013, 06:27:16 PM
No it doesn't. That article explains why they have to seek approval (on an already approve project) for the revised site plan. The site plan was revised after CVS pulled out. They had to add additional parking because restaurants require more parking than a pharmacy.
First sentence on that article link..."The developers of a proposed retail center in Brooklyn have scrapped plans for a pharmacy and instead seek more parking to accommodate additional restaurants".
I could see if it read "The pharmacy pulls out of the retail center, so the developers revised their plan with additional restaurants". Then that would not have explained tenant B's departure.
I'm not basing what I'm saying on an article from the Daily Record. I posted on the other thread about this site a week or so ago that CVS pulled out. Not that it matters anyways now, I just thought it was worth pointing out if people were wondering why the changes happened.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on August 01, 2013, 10:46:27 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 01, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
as to the proposed station...if JTA gets the TIGER grant (should be announced this fall), then the new station would open in early 2017
Is this time frame impossible without the grant?
depends if someone else wants to fund it....the grant app is for $20 million, of which JTA will pay for 50%....but if the grant doesn't come through, they'll either have to find additional money or scale back the plan
I am just glad they are building something there. I had friends from Chicago visiting last week and they were having a good time pointing out what a backward dump that area is.
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on August 01, 2013, 09:24:28 PM
Everyone raved about Fresh Market so I finally went to the one on Atlantic out by the Beaches a year or so ago. Lots of bins of junk food in the middle of the store, masquerading as natural foods. Lots of overpriced meats. A few aisles of canned goods. Honestly, I was not impressed. Did I catch it on a bad day? Did I miss something?
I happen to like FM. To me, it's a mix between a Publix/Winn Dixie type store and a Whole Foods/Grassroots. I don't think they claim to be anything (I haven't read their mission statement or anything, though). I think they have a good assortment of imported goods, pretty decent baked goods, a wide variety of specialty products, and a few dozen fruits/veg you can't find at a Publix. It's not that they're better or worse than a Publix or a Whole Foods. What I like is just that they're "different."
Can they make it like this instead :)
(http://www.apiplus.com/userfiles/images/Food/the-fresh-market-1.jpg)
^They obviously can, but they don't want to, and our leaders did nothing to encourage it.
Not with that structured parking (given what today's market in Jacksonville is). That would significantly increase development costs to the point, you'd be better taking your investment money to another community or the burbs.
That Fresh Market pictured has a structured parking garage, which doubles the cost of the development.
Personally, the site plan is a lot better now without the drug store. I don't have much of a problem with it as is (although I wish they would plant shad trees along the sidewalk instead of palms and crap myrtles). Maybe I missed the elevations of the rear of the grocery store, but it will be interesting to see how they treat that and keep it contextually sensitive to the apartments next door. That's more of an easily attainable facade treatment, which doesnt even come close to the cost of a parking garage.
I really don't think it has to look like the picture above to be both economically viable and contributory/contextually sensitive to the neighborhood.
Here's the back of Fresh Market.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/July-2013-DDRB-Agenda/i-dnZcHpL/0/XL/043-XL.jpg)
Well, I can see why Hallmark didnt want that facing their residents.
Where is the loading dock?
EDIT: nevermind, looks to be off the Magnolia/Jackson entrance.
I can understand Hallmark's position as well. Just wait till that colored stucco starts to age and mildew a couple of years after completion. If you look real hard, you can see the walls "hiding" the loading dock from Brooklyn Riverside.
Improvement, but still wish the design could have been similar to something more walkable like tapestry park. Looks similar to every other strip mall in Jax......sigh
While I wish the rest of the retail surrounding Fresh Market could be pushed along Riverside Avenue, the latest plan is better than all previous versions. Excluding structured parking for the apartment complex, it's essentially what Tapestry Park is. The major difference is it has a large grocery store footprint to deal with and Tapestry Park doesn't.
Per story on JBJ the grocer may not be Fresh Market. Some chatter that it could be organic grocer Sprouts out of Arizona. This may make sense as I always heard it referred to as an organic store which is not what I think of Fresh Market.
Sprouts is expanding into Florida...they recently announced a store for Tampa
Quote from: edjax on August 29, 2013, 03:14:58 PM
Per story on JBJ the grocer may not be Fresh Market. Some chatter that it could be organic grocer Sprouts out of Arizona. This may make sense as I always heard it referred to as an organic store which is not what I think of Fresh Market.
It will go to whoever they can finalize a deal to open at that site. If it's not Fresh Market, you'll probably see a slight modification of the site plan again at some point to accommodate another entity's footprint.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 30, 2013, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: edjax on August 29, 2013, 03:14:58 PM
Per story on JBJ the grocer may not be Fresh Market. Some chatter that it could be organic grocer Sprouts out of Arizona. This may make sense as I always heard it referred to as an organic store which is not what I think of Fresh Market.
It will go to whoever they can finalize a deal to open at that site. If it's not Fresh Market, you'll probably see a slight modification of the site plan again at some point to accommodate another entity's footprint.
If only for the comments on this site
(http://blog.feedhopenow.org/hungeraction/images/Neighborhood_Market_by_Walmart_Logo.jpg)
Yea, don't think they count as organic...lol
Btw, I passed a similar development on Mills in Orlando last week. It has the retail up on the street and a parking lot in front of the Fresh Market. This may provide you with a glimpse of what the Brooklyn project will resemble when complete.
(http://bungalower.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Mills-Park-Layout.png)
http://www.millsparkorlando.com/
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Orlando-2013/i-mk5FJjM/0/M/P1670763-M.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Orlando-2013/i-43DwNKx/0/M/P1670766-M.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Orlando-2013/i-9cR4PFf/0/M/P1670767-M.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Orlando-2013/i-bpVcc4n/0/M/P1670768-M.jpg)
Nice find Lake. They are very similar.
Is that structure in the third picture a bus stop (the thing with the banner on it)?
It's just a pedestrian entrance to the parking lot.
Fresh Market is confirmed...and also confirmed that CVS backed out as I had earlier said.
QuoteAfter months of rumors, The Fresh Market will indeed be the anchor tenant of a Brooklyn retail development.
Atlanta-based Fuqua Development LP is developing a 53,700-square-foot retail component in the Brooklyn area of Downtown. It is bordered by Riverside Avenue on the south, Magnolia Street on the north, Leila Street on the east and Jackson Street to the west.
The much-discussed grocer was revealed Monday by Karen Nasrallah, city Office of Economic Development redevelopment manager, at the Urban Core Citizens Planning Advisory Committee.
"It is going to be anchored, which we can now say officially, ... (by) a Fresh Market," Nasrallah said.
"They have signed and it is official," she said.
Other tenants that have discussed coming to the area were Chipotle and Panera, she said.
To coincide with the area's residential construction, the developer is anticipated to break ground in the next month with a goal of having a shell by July at the latest, she said.
The unidentified pharmacy that initially was part of the retails plans was CVS.
But, Nasrallah said, "CVS just was still not real sold on the area, so they got a little nervous and decided to pulled out."
After the meeting, Nasrallah said The Fresh Market signed a deal last week for 22,000 square feet of space.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=540725
Fresh Market confirmed. Panera Bread and Chipotle maybe....
Construction anticipated to start next month.
full article: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=540725
That CVS would have been a huge hit in that area. A lot of people downtown could have used it on lunch breaks to pick up quick items. In addition to people along Riverside and the upcoming apartments in that area. I can't understand why they pulled out.
Who knows. The core reason may not have had anything to do with the downtown market. It's also likely they and the developer probably couldn't come to an agreement on the numbers to finalize a deal.
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 08, 2013, 11:11:41 AM
That CVS would have been a huge hit in that area. A lot of people downtown could have used it on lunch breaks to pick up quick items. In addition to people along Riverside and the upcoming apartments in that area. I can't understand why they pulled out.
My guess is as good as yours, but my thoughts are: their decision had nothing to do with market considerations (downtown population, who would drive from where, etc). Their decision in all likelihood was a numbers game they weren't willing to play (negotiation of lease rates...)
I was hoping the late rumor of Sprouts was correct. I went shopping in one with my dad recently. I was really impressed.
I've never been in Fresh Market before but I'll give it a try when it opens. Its no Walmart Market but maybe it'll due.
The Fresh Markets here in Virginia are really nice.
The Fresh Markets here in Jacksonville that I've been in (Ponte Vedra, San Jose, and San Pablo/Atlantic) are really nice too.
Will be a great addition to Brooklyn.
Chipotle would be great too.
Quote from: FSBA on October 08, 2013, 12:33:44 PM
I was hoping the late rumor of Sprouts was correct. I went shopping in one with my dad recently. I was really impressed.
I've never been in Fresh Market before but I'll give it a try when it opens. Its no Walmart Market but maybe it'll due.
Rest easy...Fresh Market > Walmart anything.
Fresh Market's are very nice. Kind of a smaller Whole Foods.
Quote from: ben says on October 08, 2013, 01:07:41 PM
Quote from: FSBA on October 08, 2013, 12:33:44 PM
I was hoping the late rumor of Sprouts was correct. I went shopping in one with my dad recently. I was really impressed.
I've never been in Fresh Market before but I'll give it a try when it opens. Its no Walmart Market but maybe it'll due.
Rest easy...Fresh Market > Walmart anything.
(http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Joke-Goes-Over-Your-Head-Star-Trek-Gif.gif)
Quote from: KenFSU on October 08, 2013, 01:05:03 PM
The Fresh Markets here in Jacksonville that I've been in (Ponte Vedra, San Jose, and San Pablo/Atlantic) are really nice too.
Will be a great addition to Brooklyn.
Chipotle would be great too.
NO Chipotle would not. That is too close to my job which means I will be there everyday getting freakin' fat ;D
Of course now Fuqua is denying that a lease has been signed by Fresh Market and saying they are not sure why or where the person from OED got the information. Wow. It could perhaps be true but obviously someone spoke out of turn. This administration knows no limits to their incompetency I guess.
I know the economy would never support it and they are probably closing stores but wouldn't it be nice to have a bookstore like Barnes and Nobles there? Just a dream...a nice dream but still a dream...
Quote from: edjax on October 08, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
Of course now Fuqua is denying that a lease has been signed by Fresh Market and saying they are not sure why or where the person from OED got the information. Wow. It could perhaps be true but obviously someone spoke out of turn. This administration knows no limits to their incompetency I guess.
Well the confirmation came from someone at Fresh Market, so maybe they werent supposed to say anything yet?
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 08, 2013, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on October 08, 2013, 01:05:03 PM
The Fresh Markets here in Jacksonville that I've been in (Ponte Vedra, San Jose, and San Pablo/Atlantic) are really nice too.
Will be a great addition to Brooklyn.
Chipotle would be great too.
NO Chipotle would not. That is too close to my job which means I will be there everyday getting freakin' fat ;D
You said it man... it's bad enough they're already planning to put a Dunkin Donuts outside my office building....
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 08, 2013, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: edjax on October 08, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
Of course now Fuqua is denying that a lease has been signed by Fresh Market and saying they are not sure why or where the person from OED got the information. Wow. It could perhaps be true but obviously someone spoke out of turn. This administration knows no limits to their incompetency I guess.
Well the confirmation came from someone at Fresh Market, so maybe they werent supposed to say anything yet?
I have not seen where Fresh Market has confirmed it yet. Just the Karen Nasarialia from the city OED.
Here in Jax the phrase, "it's a done deal" doesn't mean a thing. And when I hear it, I know it's usually anything but.
It sounds like everything going in, or that is anticipated to go in is corporate. It would be nice to have an independent bookstore (another Chamblins?) Coffeehouses and cafe's that are unique to the area instead of regurgitating what can be found in every other corner of Jacksonville. I realize the grocery store cannot likely be independent, but the other stores and restaurants.
This isn't the type of development that draws independent businesses. Those typically flock to existing building stock. On the other hand, the developers of 220 Riverside appear to be going out of their way to draw independent establishments to their retail spaces surrounding Unity Plaza.
Chipotle is a solid addition to the neighborhood. Also, wasn't there a rumor 5 Guys was going to relocate in this development?
Quote from: bethd127 on October 08, 2013, 03:52:59 PM
It sounds like everything going in, or that is anticipated to go in is corporate. It would be nice to have an independent bookstore (another Chamblins?) Coffeehouses and cafe's that are unique to the area instead of regurgitating what can be found in every other corner of Jacksonville. I realize the grocery store cannot likely be independent, but the other stores and restaurants.
Just an educated hunch, but Chamblin's couldn't go there without poaching off it's own existing business (downtown and Roosevelt are probably both too close).
As lake pointed out, these kind of developments don't usually attract independent businesses. I'll be happy if the corporate presence here is "unique" to Riverside...think stuff you'd see at the Town Center (Chipotle, for example, as opposed to a Subway).
I'm just happy it's a Fresh Market and not anything associated w/ Walmart.
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2013/10/08/riverside-fresh-market.html
Fresh Market lease is not finalized yet.
See DT Jax is a Gold Mine waiting to happen! A chipole would be excellent , and then maybe they could get a Macy's down there..A Hard Rock Cafe, some kick ass coffee shops, and bars...get this town poppin!
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 08, 2013, 11:11:41 AM
That CVS would have been a huge hit in that area. A lot of people downtown could have used it on lunch breaks to pick up quick items. In addition to people along Riverside and the upcoming apartments in that area. I can't understand why they pulled out.
I remember the old CVS in the Roosevelt Mall, when it was on the strip; Then they moved to an individual building right on the corner of San Juan and Roosevelt, of course with drive thru service. I wonder if the Brooklyn would-be CVS was gonna have drive thru service. At this point far as I know, all of Jax's big pharmacies (CVS, Walgreen's) have drive thru. IMO pharmacies (particularly the big ones) are counter-productive and obsolete without a drive thru; The only exception would be a rare situation, like a NYC street somewhere. I remember the old Eckerd's in Norwood Plaza that used to be drive thru-less; In most cases pharmacies with no drive-thru is a dying breed.
Yes, the Brooklyn CVS would have had a drive thru. Also, there's tons of pharmacies across the state that don't have drive-thrus. Most are in Central and South Florida. They tend to be in places with decent foot traffic and high office density. DT Jax could easily support one right now. However, you'll be hard pressed to find a viable space they could go into.
Miami
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1104790358_M9DNt-M.jpg)
Miami Beach
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-3765-p1070805.JPG)
Quote from: timothyj67 on October 08, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
See DT Jax is a Gold Mine waiting to happen! A chipole would be excellent , and then maybe they could get a Macy's down there..A Hard Rock Cafe, some kick ass coffee shops, and bars...get this town poppin!
I'm completely with you on the Hard Rock Cafe. All of the big cities have one.
When did this project receive the name "The Brooklyn Riverside?"
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=540708
Glad to see some apartments as well as retail coming to the area..This along with 220 Riverside and the Retail Complex will be very nice.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 18, 2013, 12:57:48 PM
When did this project receive the name "The Brooklyn Riverside?"
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=540708
A few months ago.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 18, 2013, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 18, 2013, 12:57:48 PM
When did this project receive the name "The Brooklyn Riverside?"
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=540708
A few months ago.
Hmm, maybe when I was in Asia. It strikes me as a very odd name but I guess no one will ever have to wonder where it's located.
"Brooklyn Riverside" showed up as the name of the residential portion when the project was taken over by the current developer. I'm not sure if the retail portion has a name or not.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 19, 2013, 09:34:31 AM
"Brooklyn Riverside" showed up as the name of the residential portion when the project was taken over by the current developer. I'm not sure if the retail portion has a name or not.
I suggest "George"
I see that Fresh Market was officially confirmed today by the developers.
'The Trolley Barn' would have been nice and actually said something about the location. But this is JAX where BRT is ALWAYS a better choice then rail.
Ock, you have the ear of JTA. Would they be interested in this? A simple down the middle of the road trolley that starts at the new Fresh Market location in Riverside and goes down to say the Cummer. One train that simply goes back and forth stopping at maybe 3 stops or so. Use it as a test and then slowly expand it to 5 points, and then maybe over to the Landing, etc. I could see that working very well as it would transport the workers on Riverside to the new shopping and restaurants area. Residents could also use it to get to RAM or Cummer, etc.
Not to be a negative Nancy but I don't think a three block trolley (a real one or the potato chip truck version) would be effective. You can't effectively test transit that way. We have a +20 year test with the Skyway, which is 2.5 miles in length but fails to penetrate one adjacent neighborhood where people live or urban commercial corridor outside of the CBD.
If we're going to do transit, we're better off making a commitment (that's the only way you're going to get TOD), getting it right and sticking with it (the only way you're going to grow long term ridership). With that said, we already have a streetcar (a real one) as a 100% funded priority project in the mobility plan and fee, between DT and King Street. It's been in the plan since the plan was adopted by the city council in 2011. This is as simple as realizing it exists and collecting the mobility fee money to help get it off the ground.
I just suggested it because that seem to be the hot area right now. It of course could be longer, but to me Riverside seems like it would be the perfect road for a trolley line. Probably wishful thinking.
^I wouldn't say it's wishful thinking. It is an idea corridor with transit supportive land uses. That was one of the reasons it was added to the mobility plan with mobility fee funding going to the construction of a "real" trolley/streetcar. It's really up to this community to see it through or have that funding reallocated to something else.
Corner Bakery will be opening its first Jacksonville store here.
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2013/12/17/corner-bakery-commits-to-fresh-market.html
http://www.cornerbakerycafe.com/
This makes much more sense than the Panera Bread rumors that have been floating around, especially given the San Marco Panera is days away from opening and less than 5 minutes from this site.
Although site work has already started, the official ground breaking will be tomorrow:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/2669970455_42wTngF-M.jpg)
QuoteMayor Brown, Regency Centers and Fuqua Development announce groundbreaking ceremony for the Shoppes on Riverside in downtown Jacksonville
JACKSONVILLE, Fla., Jan. 13, 2014 – Jacksonville Mayor Alvin Brown is proud to announce that he will be giving the keynote remarks at a groundbreaking ceremony for the Shoppes on Riverside, a 49,870-square-foot shopping center development on the edge of downtown. The center, which is a joint venture between locally based Regency Centers Corporation (NYSE:REG) and Fuqua Development, will play an important role in the redevelopment of the Brooklyn neighborhood. Located along the St. John's River and boasting easy access to Interstate 95, the $14.7 million development to be constructed by Jacksonville-based Elkins Constructors, Inc., will serve both local residents and the downtown business community. Previously announced tenants include The Fresh Market grocery and Northeast Florida's first Corner Bakery Cafe.
"The Shoppes on Riverside represent a significant milestone and continue our great momentum in the revitalization of Downtown Jacksonville and the Brooklyn neighborhood," said Mayor Alvin Brown. "This development will bring new retail to our urban core, including the first new grocery store in nearly a generation."
What:
Ceremony to commemorate the groundbreaking at the Shoppes on Riverside
Who:
Alvin Brown, Mayor, City of Jacksonville, FL
Martin E. "Hap" Stein Jr., Chairman and CEO, Regency Centers
Jeffrey Fuqua, Principal, Fuqua Development
Ken Towery, Fresh Market
When:
Wednesday, Jan. 15, 2014
2:00 p.m. EST
Where:
The Shoppes on Riverside
150 Riverside Ave., Jacksonville, FL 32202
"Regency and my family enjoy deep roots here in Jacksonville," said Hap Stein. "Though we have delivered high-quality shopping centers to communities around the country, few projects have been as personally rewarding to our team as those we have undertaken here at home. We've been involved in local development more than fifty years, and the revitalization we're seeing now of the historic downtown area is extremely exciting. Regency is proud to be a part of that through our partnership with Fuqua Development on making the Shoppes on Riverside a thriving retail center for our downtown."
The ceremony is open to the public, and media are invited to attend. To RSVP, contact Linda Richey, Senior Administrative Assistant, at 904-598-7614 by Jan. 14 at 5:00pm.
About Regency Centers Corporation (NYSE:REG)
Jacksonville based Regency is the preeminent national owner, operator and developer of high-quality grocery-anchored and community shopping centers. As of June 30, 2013, the company owned 343 retail properties, including those held in co-investment partnerships. Including retailer-owned square footage, the portfolio encompassed 45.9 million square feet located in top markets throughout the United States. Since 2000, Regency has developed 211 shopping centers, including those currently in process, representing an investment at completion of more than $3 billion. Operating as a fully integrated real estate company, Regency is a qualified real estate investment trust that is self-administered and self-managed.
Fuqua Development
Fuqua Development Company is headquartered in Atlanta and works predominantly in the Southeast region of the United States. The company is pursuing major developments in Atlanta, Florida, South Carolina, and North Carolina. Fuqua Development is committed to enhancing neighborhoods and communities by investing in urban areas through gentrification and redevelopment. Fuqua Development's level of commitment outweighs purely financial gain due to the desire to improve neighborhoods and communities, provide services and create thousands of jobs. Jeff Fuqua and Heather Correa have developed over 120 centers during their development careers.
Pope & Land Enterprises, Inc. and Pollack Shores Real Estate
Beginning in early 2011, Pope & Land Enterprises, Inc. began assembling the 41 separate parcels bound by Riverside Avenue, Jackson Street, Park Street and Leila Street in Brooklyn-Jacksonville. The acquisition of these parcels allowed for the redevelopment of this area in conjunction with the cooperation of multiple parties including many individuals and departments at the City of Jacksonville. Together with their very capable partners Fuqua Development and Pollack Shores Real Estate, Pope & Land was able to successfully complete all of the necessary pre-development requirements on schedule and in support of this exciting development for Brooklyn and for all of Jacksonville.
It's just such a shame that this is a suburban development. When other cities are building true downtown urban mixed use buildings with integrated parking, Jacksonville continues the misguided development patterns.
While the site plan isn't ideal, it is a vastly improved from what the first version was. That is in direct response to comments from the Office of Economic Development, DIA, DDRB, and members of the public. I understand that there is also a new version of the proposed Landing modifications that will be discussed at DIA this week.
Metro Jacksonville should be very proud of the education on good (and bad) urbanism it has brought to the larger community!
Somehow I doubt that there is going to be nearly as much outdoor "cafe" seating as indicated in the rendering, which has about 27 umbrella tables outside of the strip mall along the 6 lane Riverside Ave there.
The only way you're getting my thick blooded self out of the AC and into outdoor seating in Jax is either in the Winter or if it's set up the way Derby on the Park has it integrated into the building so that there is shade.
Perhaps if there were wider sidewalks, shade trees, and actual urban building fabric, one could do outdoor cafe seating all over the city due to the shade! But what does Jacksonville possibly have to learn from lil old Miami Beach?
The impact of awnings, canopies and shade trees work in a tropical climate is amazing for walkability.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/515598033_5qQQi-M.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/515571657_GC3kM-M.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/515578568_dtzHE-M.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/515590826_qREk8-M.jpg)
Those awnings aren't there because its South Beach. They protect pedestrians from the natural elements. DT Jax should try.
I am very displeased with this site plan. Is it just me or should this site be a three to four story mixed use development?
I guess I will have to agree with the last page of posts in that the site plan is less than stellar. If any good news can come out of it, it is that it takes up vacant land in an area that has a finite amount of land to begin with. At some point a future developer will need revisit these parking lots as the area urbanizes. Alas, it isn't like Riverside Drive as currently configured is going to be a large pedestrian-friendly corridor anyhow.
It's too suburban.
Why can't people understand that those of us attracted to urban and downtown neighborhoods with money to spend want an urban environment built on a human scale.
If I wanted to live/shop/dine in this suburban style then I would have moved to the St Johns Town Center.
The incompetence of the Jax political and business leaders never ceases to amaze me.
Perhaps you can email the Mayor about the concerns on this project and include photos of what could be? What if some of you set up a meeting with Regency as well and try to influence the project?
I think we are past that point. There has been over a year of productive influence on this project. No it isn't downtown Chicago but it can fit into the area even if the area becomes maor walkable. ( as we hope)
Listen, it is what it is.
No amount of protesting/emailing/bitching/moaning is going to change the sight plan.
This is another cautionary tale for Jax.
The only thing we can do now is to work for changing the future.
When is someone from the MJ boards going to run for office????
Construction has already started. The time for site design changes was when the DDRB reviewed and approved it last year. With that said, the original plan they had was a lot worse. CVS dropping out, resulted in several restaurants/storefronts being moved closer to Riverside Avenue.
Quote from: Kay on February 12, 2014, 07:43:07 AM
Perhaps you can email the Mayor about the concerns on this project and include photos of what could be? What if some of you set up a meeting with Regency as well and try to influence the project?
That ship has sailed.
Like Lake mentions, the site plan is much better without the suburban CVS that was proposed.
And the apartment design is also much better than the fenced-in suburban fortress initially introduced.
Quote from: fieldafm on February 12, 2014, 09:41:53 AM
And the apartment design is also much better than the fenced-in suburban fortress initially introduced.
Didn't DDRB approve that design, but the developer decided against it in the end?
No. The new multifamily residential developer scrapped the bad plan previously approved by the DDRB, in favor of building something 100% better in its place.
Quote from: thelakelander on January 14, 2014, 11:34:36 AM
The impact of awnings, canopies and shade trees work in a tropical climate is amazing for walkability.
Those awnings aren't there because its South Beach. They protect pedestrians from the natural elements. DT Jax should try.
Lake's right, it's amazing how many developments in Jax get this wrong and don't plan for a little shade. Then again, most "outdoor cafes" in Jax are smack dab in the middle of a suburban parking lot....at least these are fronting a sidewalk/street, so that's an improvement. One of the best in our area is Hovan due to the large oak trees. Let's hope they get some trees and shade into the final plans, otherwise those poor patrons are gonna cook in the heat.
I believe the only trees to be planted are palm trees and crap myrtles.
I'm just disappointed in the number of front yards on this stretch of Riverside Avenue - Haskell, the Fidelity complex, the old St. Joe building, BlueCross, the new YMCA is going that route and this project. Zero setback lot lines are for a reason, to create a streetscape, why can't DDRB push for urban design/development in these areas? They seem very contradictory in what they approve from project to project. I thought this area was supposed to be one of the new gateways to the city. Why are we treating it like it's a typical suburban sprawl development. EverBank Plaza and 220 Riverside are the only two projects close to getting it right in this area. Zero setback architecture creates pedestrian urban environments, not vast seas of parked automobiles. Why does the Jacksonville resident require off-street front door parking everywhere they go? They're called feet people... use them every once in a while!
The challenge for many if those properties mentioned is they stretch from the road to the river...so which one is the front?
Quote from: fieldafm on February 12, 2014, 10:15:37 AM
I believe the only trees to be planted are palm trees and crape myrtles.
:)
I'm well aware of my spelling and consider them crap.
^^^Gotcha.
Unless you are expecting the majority of the building users to arrive to these properties by boat, the true front should be the address of the building on Riverside Ave with building access to the riverwalk/waterfront side. Besides, dual fronting buildings are designed all of the time. With the grade difference from the river to Riverside Ave it can be done quite easy and still manage to get your required parking sandwiched between both entry points. If the developers are insisting on having large plazas on these sites, why can't they be on the waterfront side rather than the street side? A plaza would be a lot more enjoyable adjacent to the river, which would also provide the building a better view of the river and surrounding area while developing an urban feel of Riverside Avenue. This is Jacksonville, not Venice.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 12, 2014, 09:31:29 AM
Construction has already started. The time for site design changes was when the DDRB reviewed and approved it last year. With that said, the original plan they had was a lot worse. CVS dropping out, resulted in several restaurants/storefronts being moved closer to Riverside Avenue.
Why would it be too late to talk about canopies, shade trees, etc.?
Well, it's not if we're talking about having the public pay for them on adjacent public ROW. DDRB has already above their concept and building permits for that concept have been granted. So COJ can't force them to change now.
BTW, good points, JaxNative68.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 12, 2014, 01:10:46 PM
Well, it's not if we're talking about having the public pay for them on adjacent public ROW. DDRB has already above their concept and building permits for that concept have been granted. So COJ can't force them to change now.
Not talking about COJ forcing them. Talking about concerned citizens asking for a meeting and suggesting canopies, etc. You never know--they might be open to it.
Was shocked to find out posters in this thread hated the site plan. SHOCKED. That hardly ever happens.
Good luck.
I just think the discussion is about a year or two too late to the party for these developments. The Brooklyn projects will already have awnings and trees, so what exactly is trying to be accomplished at this point?
The largest difference one could make with the shopping center is to move all the buildings up onto the street. However, that ship sailed months ago. The buildings are approved, permitted and under construction.
Shoppes of Riverside
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Riverside-Park-Retail/i-thcfzFw/0/L/Brooklyn%20F-L.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/July-2013-DDRB-Agenda/i-bwCZDWr/0/M/052-M.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/July-2013-DDRB-Agenda/i-Wz8w9G4/0/M/047-M.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/July-2013-DDRB-Agenda/i-GbkmqBf/0/M/036-M.jpg)
Brooklyn Riverside (Apartments going up behind the shopping center)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/July-2013-DDRB-Agenda/i-55bd5Jp/0/M/128-M.jpg)
220 Riverside
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/220-Riverside/i-M5vGvqV/0/L/south%20elevation-L.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/220-Riverside/i-Kjbzhwr/0/L/220-Riverside-rendering-High-Res-L.jpg)
^So, you're talking about addressing the public realm and not modifying the actual structures already permitted and being built? That conversation has been going on for a while (context sensitive streets, for example). With Killingsworth moving on, Council continuing to torpedo the mobility plan, and COJ unwilling to modify roadway design standards, things have been slow to change. This is a much larger issue than Brooklyn, but go for it. Someone has too.