QuoteJACKSONVILLE, Fla. -
The music pastor of Arlington Baptist Church has resigned in a dispute over his choice of eating establishments.
Shannon Wallace is a fan of Hamburger Mary's in St Nicholas, which has live entertainment on the weekend featuring female impersonators.
Church members say that decision by Wallace to resign came after the pastor of the church learned that Wallace had eaten at the restaurant.
Neither Wallace (pictured, right) nor church leaders would comment on the situation.
Managers at the restaurant say Wallace and his wife were there to take part in a charity event. The general manager of the restaurant says she's outraged over this entire controversy.
"We are not here just to support the gay lifestyle. We are here for anyone, whoever they are," said Chef Z Zimmerman, of Hamburger Mary's. "I'm outraged, if this is what happened. You should not be fired based on where you attend."
Some of Wallace's supporters aren't happy about the situation and are planning a protest at the church next weekend.
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Seen this on the news. I guess all christians should stop going out to eat. If there are gay waiters in applebee's you may lose your job at the church ::) If there is a drag queen in the booth next to you, you may go to hell. Seriously, Im a christian. Church every sunday, sing in the choir and all. This stuff to me is very disturbing. This is why chrisitans have a bad reputation now.
Oh, I think you will see that Christians are a pretty flawed bunch.....
Check out these glorious, yet failed headlines. (These are not made up)
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Prepare for the David vs. Goliath metaphors...
These are real. I am waiting for Ron Chamblin and Stephen to start Round Three on this thread now.
Unbelievable, but believable...we live in Baptistville! I wonder if any Baptists were fired for eating at Joann's Chili Bordello or for going to see The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas or The Vagina Monologues. I guess Hooters and Dick's Wings are Baptist approved restaurants because I sure see a lot of Baptist there!
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/22/tim-tebow-american-family-association-cancels-church-christian_n_2742119.html
The American Family Association (AFA) attacked NFL player Tim Tebow for canceling an appearance at an anti-gay church, claiming that he "caved" to the "liberal media" and has lost his "street cred." Readers, in turn, slammed the conservative group for its response.
It all started when news surfaced on Feb. 14 that Tebow was scheduled to speak in April at First Baptist Church of Dallas, a Texas megachurch led by senior pastor Robert Jeffress and known for anti-gay, anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic rhetoric. An uproar ensued, and Tebow announced on Feb. 21 that he had cancelled the appearance due to "new information" brought to his attention.
After the Jets player nixed the gig, the AFA took to its One News Now website and Twitter (with the hashtage #TebowCaves) to bash Tebow for ostensibly crumbling under media pressure, David Badash from The New Civil Rights Movement reports. But once readers began criticizing the AFA's argument, the group allegedly took down the piece and refocused it.
Via The New Civil Rights Movement:
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Still, prominent AFA members maintain that Tebow has wronged Christians.
AFA spokesman and "Focal Point" radio program host Bryan Fischer posted a lengthy diatribe against Tebow on his Facebook page on Thursday, alleging that the cancellation diminishes the football player's "street cred with the Christian
Old news. One thing that is certain, man doesn't agree and neither do Christians.
You seem to love to post Timmy bare chested. Something you want to share?
Quote from: spuwho on June 18, 2013, 12:39:04 AM
You seem to love to post Timmy bare chested. Something you want to share?
LOL!
Quote from: spuwho on June 17, 2013, 11:19:10 PM
Oh, I think you will see that Christians are a pretty flawed bunch.....
Check out these glorious, yet failed headlines. (These are not made up)
Yup, that definitely overshadows the many murdered each day around the world under the followers of Allah... Just sayin' if you're gonna put a religion on blast and all. Meanwhile 'PC' USA looks the other way...
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Quote from: spuwho on June 17, 2013, 11:19:10 PM
Oh, I think you will see that Christians are a pretty flawed bunch.....
Check out these glorious, yet failed headlines. (These are not made up)
Yup, that definitely overshadows the many murdered each day around the world under the followers of Allah... Just sayin' if you're gonna put a religion on blast and all. Meanwhile 'PC' USA looks the other way...
Great point. Because as we all learned in kindergarten, two wrongs make a right.
Hmmmm....I seem to remember some Guy who ate with sinners...Wasn't He also the same scandalous Person who let a woman wash His feet--in front of everybody? Shameful stuff! He should have been fired! That nice guy Judas could have taken over!
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on June 18, 2013, 07:27:26 AM
Great point. Because as we all learned in kindergarten, two wrongs make a right.
If you wanna compare a couple of sinful aberrations to actual beheadings, then fine they are all 'wrongs'...
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Quote from: ChriswUfGator on June 18, 2013, 07:27:26 AM
Great point. Because as we all learned in kindergarten, two wrongs make a right.
If you wanna compare a couple of sinful aberrations to actual beheadings, then fine they are all 'wrongs'...
Well I'm glad christians are comparatively so much better behaved.
Ever hear of this thing called the crusades?
^^^Oh boy, the tenth century; That's some fairly recent news there I tell ya. Thanks for the history lesson Chris...
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun.
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Quote from: spuwho on June 18, 2013, 12:39:04 AM
You seem to love to post Timmy bare chested. Something you want to share?
LOL!
I dont think I would want to share, actually. ;)
Uh Oh. Some Baptist on Baptist action.
I think a Tim Tebow/Stephen Dare partnership could change the world.
I'm trying to figure out the actual sin here. Is it men dressing up like women? The lip syncing to Diana Ross? Hamburgers??
Seriously, is there a rule book they follow somewhere, or are they just making it up as they go?
Quote from: peestandingup on June 18, 2013, 04:27:03 PM
I'm trying to figure out the actual sin here. Is it men dressing up like women? The lip syncing to Diana Ross? Hamburgers??
Seriously, is there a rule book they follow somewhere, or are they just making it up as they go?
You said it P! The whole thing is so foolish and yet it shows how very misled and mean spirited "some"(and I emphasize the word some) who pretend to preach in the name of God can be. This is just so misguided and judgmental an action.
Perhaps this comes down to the hamburgers being far to sensuous for mortals. lol I am guessing that is the problem cause the people working at HM are lovely, funny, kind folk. :) As far as drag is concerned, perhaps the pastor doesn't understand that men have been entertaining and performing for thousands of years dressed as women. From Rome, to China and beyond.
Milton Berle was famous for dressing up as a woman....and that was acceptable on 50's tv. Of course, he wasn't Baptist.
If there is a more unreasonably damaged group of people than Southern Baptists, I don't know who that might be.
Quote from: stephendare on June 18, 2013, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on June 18, 2013, 06:38:13 AM
Quote from: spuwho on June 18, 2013, 12:39:04 AM
You seem to love to post Timmy bare chested. Something you want to share?
LOL!
I dont think I would want to share, actually. ;)
To carry this joke to the next level... First of all this will be the most outrageous post I've ever done. I have a wacky Aunt who is so over the top and this kind of fits in to her wayward thinking. Anyhow Mr. Stephendare you will not have a snowball's chance in hell because someone else has already come to call on a certain football player. According to my Aunt they are an item. Lol joke joke.
Quote from: stephendare on June 18, 2013, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on June 18, 2013, 06:38:13 AM
Quote from: spuwho on June 18, 2013, 12:39:04 AM
You seem to love to post Timmy bare chested. Something you want to share?
LOL!
I dont think I would want to share, actually. ;)
Couldn't argue with you on that one , Stephen ;)
I think we are all missing the point here... Shannon Wallace was part of this church, and this church had certain rules and regulations. If he wanted to attend this event at this establishment then perhaps he should have resigned, especially considering that I'm sure it was a violation of the contract he signed to work at the chuch. It is not a gay or straight issue. If he had attended a straight strip club event then in my opinion it would have been just as wrong. The bottom line is that somebody who is in a leadership position, at a CHURCH, doesn't have any business being at a place like that. Everybody commenting on this particular issue expects those of us who have different opinions to either keep them to ourselves, or accept your beliefs. And I don't. I have my opinion, and I don't judge others for there's. I may not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, but I have friends who are gay and I don't love them any less because of what they do or believe. To me that is how Christians should be, you don't have to accept everything about everybody, as long as you love them. I work in the medical field and I am required to sign certain legal documents, and rules and regulations prior to starting a job. If I didn't agree with what I was signing, then I wouldn't work at that facility, plain and simple. That being said, I do believe he should have lost his job. Churches have a right to expect more out of people who are in a leadership position. I've lost all respect for this man, and his wife who was also in attendance.
Wow!!!! I frankly find it shocking that anyone would allow the rules of an entity like a church to put parameters around their personal choices and actions to this degree. It amazes me that individuals are so fearful of being rejected by a church organization that they would allow a private entity to tell them where they can go to eat a hamburger. I find it a weakness and not a strength when someone allows another this much control in their lives. Are some so insecure in their own judgements of what is right that they would allow the rules of a single church and pastor place controls over their lives and actions like this? It is cult like behavior in many ways and to my view a frightening thing. IMO
@ Steph7 You are judging. Do you eat Shrimp? Were you a virgin when you married? Do you wear cotton/wool blends? Is slavery okay with you? Is pig skin offensive to you? If someone was fired for any of those things, would you support it? Can I have a tattoo of a cross? Where is the line? I thought this was America, and people were free to eat at a restaurant. I guess the CHURCH wants total control.
We are talking about a persons lively hood. You seriously want to blame the wife, too!
Homosexuality isn't a lifestyle any more than someone born left handed or blue eyed. Do some research before you go labeling or judging a person.
I'm confused how you even work in the medical field. Do you impose your opinions on your patients also?
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@ Steph7 You are judging. Do you eat Shrimp? Were you a virgin when you married? Do you wear cotton/wool blends? Is slavery okay with you? Is pig skin offensive to you? If someone was fired for any of those things, would you support it? Can I have a tattoo of a cross? Where is the line? I thought this was America, and people were free to eat at a restaurant. I guess the CHURCH wants total control.
We are talking about a persons lively hood. You seriously want to blame the wife, too!
Homosexuality isn't a lifestyle any more than someone born left handed or blue eyed. Do some research before you go labeling or judging a person.
I'm confused how you even work in the medical field. Do you impose your opinions on your patients also?
Indeed!
Quote from: Demosthenes on June 18, 2013, 09:16:33 PM
If there is a more unreasonably damaged group of people than Southern Baptists, I don't know who that might be.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on June 22, 2013, 11:57:19 AMIt is cult like behavior in many ways and to my view a frightening thing. IMO
Tolerance. :)
I am very tolerant and respectful of the religious freedoms in this county. I am simply stating my views about the actions of some religious organizations and questioning why people subvert themselves this way, to the point that having a burger someplace can cause you to lose you job with that organization. The entire issue here had to do with the actions within one church and frankly it is that church and it's members who live by their own rules which is their own choice. It does not mean however that folks outside the church will not want to "discuss and question" those actions, if not for the sake of conversation and simply and attempt to understand the motives behind actions like this. My question is why folks feel the need to belong to organizations that put themselves at their control? Of course everyone has the right to allow this in their own lives and churches and I am tolerant of that fact although amazed by it. lol :)
Seems like we're missing the most important thing about this pastor's dinner. How was the hamburger?
I don't believe its a strip joint... I have eaten there and attended shows there a few times, and never once seen anyone strip totally down. Maybe our christian friends are confused what a burlesque show is.
Quote from: thelakelander on June 22, 2013, 01:37:39 PM
Seems like we're missing the most important thing about this pastor's dinner. How was the hamburger?
Exactly Ennis! lol I am guessing it was excellent as they usually are.
Dem, you are right, this is not a strip joint however it does become so much more the harbor of sinful activity if it can be described as one. lmao Goodness gracious.
My one and only complaint is that I can never hear Alicia Key's - 'Girl on Fire' without picturing a 6'-6", 320lb, black crossdresser with hands so large I'm pretty sure he could palm a VW Beetle....
I used to really like that song.
Quote from: Fallen Buckeye on June 22, 2013, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Demosthenes on June 18, 2013, 09:16:33 PM
If there is a more unreasonably damaged group of people than Southern Baptists, I don't know who that might be.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on June 22, 2013, 11:57:19 AMIt is cult like behavior in many ways and to my view a frightening thing. IMO
Tolerance. :)
Oh, I'm not working to legislate it so that Southern Baptists aren't allowed to exist, but I certainly reserve the right to point out when they are being assholes.
Quote from: Steph7 on June 22, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
I think we are all missing the point here... Shannon Wallace was part of this church, and this church had certain rules and regulations. If he wanted to attend this event at this establishment then perhaps he should have resigned, especially considering that I'm sure it was a violation of the contract he signed to work at the chuch. It is not a gay or straight issue. If he had attended a straight strip club event then in my opinion it would have been just as wrong. The bottom line is that somebody who is in a leadership position, at a CHURCH, doesn't have any business being at a place like that. Everybody commenting on this particular issue expects those of us who have different opinions to either keep them to ourselves, or accept your beliefs. And I don't. I have my opinion, and I don't judge others for there's. I may not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, but I have friends who are gay and I don't love them any less because of what they do or believe. To me that is how Christians should be, you don't have to accept everything about everybody, as long as you love them. I work in the medical field and I am required to sign certain legal documents, and rules and regulations prior to starting a job. If I didn't agree with what I was signing, then I wouldn't work at that facility, plain and simple. That being said, I do believe he should have lost his job. Churches have a right to expect more out of people who are in a leadership position. I've lost all respect for this man, and his wife who was also in attendance.
The childish level of general vitriol you folks display is unreal.
I don't know why after so many years I'm still taken aback by it, but I am.
I don't believe I'm judging at all, as I said, I'm a tolerant person. I have many gay friends, and I love them as much as I love my straight friends. My point is that if there were certain things in the contract he signed for the church he worked at and this was a violation of part of his contract then he should be fired. No I don't voice my opinion on anything controversial, I keep my opinions and my work very separate from each other as to not offend anybody. Like I stated before, I am entitled to my own opinion, as are all of you. I think the point you are all focusing on is wrong. He violated a contract, he was terminated because of it. It's not that hard to understand people :) if I was to violate a HIPPA violation I too would lose my job. That's honestly all there is to it. This church was an organization that had rules, the rules were broken, and he and his family are now dealing with the consequences. He knew what that contract was, along with the rules, prior to taking his position at the church, if he didn't agree with it then he shouldn't have signed it :) plain and simple. I wish you all the best. We will agree to disagree :).
Hamburgers are against his contract? That's a crappy contract. Or maybe we are still working on the idea that its a strip joint?
Quote from: Steph7 on June 22, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
I think we are all missing the point here... Shannon Wallace was part of this church, and this church had certain rules and regulations. If he wanted to attend this event at this establishment then perhaps he should have resigned, especially considering that I'm sure it was a violation of the contract he signed to work at the chuch. It is not a gay or straight issue. If he had attended a straight strip club event then in my opinion it would have been just as wrong. The bottom line is that somebody who is in a leadership position, at a CHURCH, doesn't have any business being at a place like that. Everybody commenting on this particular issue expects those of us who have different opinions to either keep them to ourselves, or accept your beliefs. And I don't. I have my opinion, and I don't judge others for there's. I may not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, but I have friends who are gay and I don't love them any less because of what they do or believe. To me that is how Christians should be, you don't have to accept everything about everybody, as long as you love them. I work in the medical field and I am required to sign certain legal documents, and rules and regulations prior to starting a job. If I didn't agree with what I was signing, then I wouldn't work at that facility, plain and simple. That being said, I do believe he should have lost his job. Churches have a right to expect more out of people who are in a leadership position. I've lost all respect for this man, and his wife who was also in attendance.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I wonder if you know for a fact that that Mr. Wallace had a contract? Just curious. For you the issue begins and ends with the contract, others of us however are left to wonder why any person would agree to something that goes so far into their personal liberties and are saddened by the idea that some who claim a spirituality behind their judgements embrace the belief that anything to do with the GLBT community or for that matter cross dressing for entertainment is deserving of this type of opinion, judgement or disdain. Make no mistake it is a persons right to agree or not to such contracts, but some like myself really cannot imagine letting an organization decide for us where we can eat. On another note, I don't know where you came away with the idea that anyone would object to you sharing your opinion, especially as an opening comment on the thread. ;)
Cheshire, the modern bigot spends a lot of time intellectualizing their bigotry. The new "I have black friends" is "I have gay friends". It wasn't true then, its not true now.
Quote from: Steph7 on June 22, 2013, 03:49:34 PM
I don't believe I'm judging at all, as I said, I'm a tolerant person. I have many gay friends, and I love them as much as I love my straight friends. My point is that if there were certain things in the contract he signed for the church he worked at and this was a violation of part of his contract then he should be fired. No I don't voice my opinion on anything controversial, I keep my opinions and my work very separate from each other as to not offend anybody. Like I stated before, I am entitled to my own opinion, as are all of you. I think the point you are all focusing on is wrong. He violated a contract, he was terminated because of it. It's not that hard to understand people :) if I was to violate a HIPPA violation I too would lose my job. That's honestly all there is to it. This church was an organization that had rules, the rules were broken, and he and his family are now dealing with the consequences. He knew what that contract was, along with the rules, prior to taking his position at the church, if he didn't agree with it then he shouldn't have signed it :) plain and simple. I wish you all the best. We will agree to disagree :).
Having gay friends doesn't make you tolerant. Many gays are intolerant. A better example of tolerance would be not firing someone because of where they choose to eat lunch. I highly doubt that this person signed a contract about not going to lunch theater. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say he should sue the pants off of that church. A HIPPA violation is one thing, eating a burger for lunch is entirely different.
You say you don't voice your controversial opinions, but here you are doing just that. You are entitled to your own opinion but this isn't an agree or disagree situation. A man has been fired for eating a hamburger at a performance style restaurant. FIRED! If you were fired for eating at Chic-fil-a and your boss forced you to resign because of it you'd be a very rich lady. The CHURCH should be playing by the same rules as any other employer.
This is just straight up discrimination and you are just trying to justify it.
Silly event. Silly religion. Silly people. Silly times. ::)
Why is embracing your fellow human as.... Well, a human, controversial?
Which event is silly Ron? I don't remember an event being mentioned in the discussion. Are are you calling the interaction of the two church members an event?
Yes ma'am.
Got it!
would the outrage be the same if it were involving an orthodox synagogue or mosque?
For me it would, but I cannot speak for others. ;)
Using religion as a crutch for bigotry is, unfortunatly, nondenominational.