ESPN.com is reporting that Tebow going to the Jags is a virtual certainty.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8773675/tim-tebow-virtual-certainty-sign-jacksonville-jaguars-2013-according-sources (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8773675/tim-tebow-virtual-certainty-sign-jacksonville-jaguars-2013-according-sources)
(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/13200.png&w=65&h=90&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false)
Lol, I can see it now. The Jags double their win total to 4-12 with the new QB.
I seen that on NFL.com too. That was the DUMBEST and most pointless article Ive read in a long time. But listen, did yall see the story about fan violence on nfl.com yesterday and the picture on the front page was of Jaguar fans?? But the story had nothing to do with the Jaguars? I guess after several people, including myself made comments about it, they change the picture today. (sigh) the life of a Jaguar fan what can I say ::)
he needs to just go to Canada, he probably would succeed here
Quote from: fsquid on December 22, 2012, 10:31:39 PM
he needs to just go to Canada, he probably would succeed here
You said "go to Canada", and then "succeed here" ?
3 Downs in Canada.
I think TEBOW is a better fit in the NFL
It's a combination of Tebow camp leaking a non-story and lazy journalism by ESPN/NFL Network. Tebow to Jacksonville is the cheapest, easiest story to "report". We don't even know who the GM will be next year. And any new GM is no going to tie himself to a mediocre QB like Tebow.
Quote from: copperfiend on December 24, 2012, 09:59:47 AM
It's a combination of Tebow camp leaking a non-story and lazy journalism by ESPN/NFL Network. Tebow to Jacksonville is the cheapest, easiest story to "report". We don't even know who the GM will be next year. And any new GM is no going to tie himself to a mediocre QB like Tebow.
Nope, he'll definitely get him a star, top notch guy like Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, or Blaine Gabbert.
Quote from: jtwestside on December 24, 2012, 10:10:36 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on December 24, 2012, 09:59:47 AM
It's a combination of Tebow camp leaking a non-story and lazy journalism by ESPN/NFL Network. Tebow to Jacksonville is the cheapest, easiest story to "report". We don't even know who the GM will be next year. And any new GM is no going to tie himself to a mediocre QB like Tebow.
Nope, he'll definitely get him a star, top notch guy like Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, or Blaine Gabbert.
No, copper said "new" GM - not the incumbent.
Quote from: jtwestside on December 24, 2012, 10:10:36 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on December 24, 2012, 09:59:47 AM
It's a combination of Tebow camp leaking a non-story and lazy journalism by ESPN/NFL Network. Tebow to Jacksonville is the cheapest, easiest story to "report". We don't even know who the GM will be next year. And any new GM is no going to tie himself to a mediocre QB like Tebow.
Nope, he'll definitely get him a star, top notch guy like Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, or Blaine Gabbert.
Those guys have nothing to do with Tebow being mediocre. Nobody is pumping up our previous mediocre QB's. But bringing in Tebow would be like continuing to embrace being below average. The franchise is getting a rebranding under Khan. He started with the back office, hiring a team president with big business experience. He is enhancing the stadium experience. He is trying to give the team international exposure. The roster is in need of a drastic update to compete in this league. Getting an elite QB is the most important piece. Tebow is not that piece.
Tebow will fit right in here IF Khan hires a GM and coach who will install a wishbone offense and build the team around Tebow.
Quote from: copperfiend on December 24, 2012, 12:36:50 PM
Quote from: jtwestside on December 24, 2012, 10:10:36 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on December 24, 2012, 09:59:47 AM
It's a combination of Tebow camp leaking a non-story and lazy journalism by ESPN/NFL Network. Tebow to Jacksonville is the cheapest, easiest story to "report". We don't even know who the GM will be next year. And any new GM is no going to tie himself to a mediocre QB like Tebow.
Nope, he'll definitely get him a star, top notch guy like Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, or Blaine Gabbert.
Those guys have nothing to do with Tebow being mediocre. Nobody is pumping up our previous mediocre QB's. But bringing in Tebow would be like continuing to embrace being below average. The franchise is getting a rebranding under Khan. He started with the back office, hiring a team president with big business experience. He is enhancing the stadium experience. He is trying to give the team international exposure. The roster is in need of a drastic update to compete in this league. Getting an elite QB is the most important piece. Tebow is not that piece.
The next guy will be equally as average. Don't let your Tebow hate make you think "anyonebuttebow" will be better. At least if it is Tebow you get to blame the teams mediocre performance on him. I think at this point people are afraid to see him succeed so they don't look stupid. Any team that will build an offence around him will be 1000% better than this years Jags (which sadly isn't that hard anyway).
Wasn't Blaine part of that re-branding anyway?
I think he would make a fine underwear model. Nice glutes.
Quote from: jtwestside on December 24, 2012, 01:09:26 PM
The next guy will be equally as average. Don't let your Tebow hate make you think "anyonebuttebow" will be better. At least if it is Tebow you get to blame the teams mediocre performance on him. I think at this point people are afraid to see him succeed so they don't look stupid. Any team that will build an offence around him will be 1000% better than this years Jags (which sadly isn't that hard anyway).
Wasn't Blaine part of that re-branding anyway?
The next guy may not be average. That's the whole idea. We need to find the next Russell Wilson or Andy Dalton instead of embracing the mediocre Tebow because he was good in college and is from Jacksonville. Hopefully the next GM doesn't buy into some Barnumesque philosophy.
Can't even escape the Tebow worshipers on here.
Tebow was a GREAT college football player. However, success in college doesn't always translate over to the NFL. I don't think it's smart to 'build a team' around a non-traditional QB. WR's want a real QB that's going to give them an opportunity to show their skill sets and RB's aren't going to want a QB that's taking away rushing attempts from them. He has horrible mechanics as a QB and it's obvious that as much as he tries to work on those mechanics to fix that, it's not going to change. He's had roughly 3 years to change it at this point. So unless Tebow is willing to come in and be something other than a QB, I think it's a bad idea. No one gets shuffled to (potentially) 3 teams in their first 3 years in the NFL because they are a great franchise-level athlete that's worthy of building a team around. God knows Broncos fans are glad they dumped Tebow for Manning AND was lucky enough to fool some team into actually giving something to them for Tebow.
Quote from: copperfiend on December 24, 2012, 09:59:47 AM
It's a combination of Tebow camp leaking a non-story and lazy journalism by ESPN/NFL Network. Tebow to Jacksonville is the cheapest, easiest story to "report". We don't even know who the GM will be next year. And any new GM is no going to tie himself to a mediocre QB like Tebow.
Not to mention that Khan stated in the off season that it was the first and final time he would meddle with the GM process. If anything, he would leave the decision up to the new GM. Nobody in this league see's tebow as a QB, except for his fan. I have nothing against him personally and wouldnt care if he was on the roster, just not at QB. And what is this "all he does is win". Denver used the hell out of him and thanks to Denver defense keeping the games winniable, Of Tebow could run in for a last minute TD and win the game. Oh yeah and what happened to him in the play-off's against Patriots when they got blew out?? If all he does is win, what happen that night? Even our bad Jags team almost canned the Partiots Sunday.
Quote from: copperfiend on December 24, 2012, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: jtwestside on December 24, 2012, 01:09:26 PM
The next guy will be equally as average. Don't let your Tebow hate make you think "anyonebuttebow" will be better. At least if it is Tebow you get to blame the teams mediocre performance on him. I think at this point people are afraid to see him succeed so they don't look stupid. Any team that will build an offence around him will be 1000% better than this years Jags (which sadly isn't that hard anyway).
Wasn't Blaine part of that re-branding anyway?
The next guy may not be average. That's the whole idea. We need to find the next Russell Wilson or Andy Dalton instead of embracing the mediocre Tebow because he was good in college and is from Jacksonville. Hopefully the next GM doesn't buy into some Barnumesque philosophy.
And he's is Christian!! dont you forget that!! ;D
What does him being a Christian have to do with his ability to play NFL football If_I_Loved_you? As far as the "True Florida Football player" comment, there are many Gator and FSU players on the team as it is as well as guys that grew up in the area like Rashean Mathis. But I guess they aren't as 'pure' of Florida guys as Timmy is...
If he's not going to come here and do an underwear company start up, I'd rather he become a politician. He could save the soul of Earth. After all, Earth is clearly a Christian planet. The most God Fearing of all the planets.
If we could just get the right guy in office, we could do away with so much sin. And he would look really nice while saving us.
So really you don't need to look very hard to see that my post isn't very serious, but it is.... it is a parody of the Tebowites, and the reason I find it increasingly difficult to root for a really nice Jacksonville Son. Too much is interspersed into the discussion, which in this case should be based solely on talent within a given sport, with some discussion of marketability ( a valid, but lesser concern).
Anyhooo... I find myself less occupied with sports these days.... It's a misallocation of my limited time and capital resources. So there's that.
I just don't know what to make of you.... Real? Sock puppet? Earnestly confused and simultaneously convinced?
Lil help?
Unless he's going to play Tight End or full back Jaguars don't need Timmy.
Quote from: stephendare on December 24, 2012, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: buckethead on December 24, 2012, 03:54:07 PM
I just don't know what to make of you.... Real? Sock puppet? Earnestly confused and simultaneously convinced?
Lil help?
think garden guy. with a different screen name.
Hey Stephen since your God?(http://www.dumb.com/god/images/god.jpg) Ha ha ha
Quote from: jtwestside on December 24, 2012, 01:09:26 PM
The next guy will be equally as average. Don't let your Tebow hate make you think "anyonebuttebow" will be better. At least if it is Tebow you get to blame the teams mediocre performance on him. I think at this point people are afraid to see him succeed so they don't look stupid. Any team that will build an offence around him will be 1000% better than this years Jags (which sadly isn't that hard anyway).
Wasn't Blaine part of that re-branding anyway?
Thats a very good point.
As much as I hesitate to stand up for IILy, you guys are out of line. If you can call Tebow a "sensitive boy" without "knowing" him, then IILy can certainly say he is a Christian.
Tim Tebow is a Heisman winning quarterback from a college national championship team. He quarterbacked a pro team into the playoffs. He is hardly "a sensitive boy" and your insinuation is stupid. He is a fan and most players are admired for more than just their play on the field. Most of the anti Tebow stuff is just directed at him because of his openness about his values and his Christianity. It makes some people feel better to make fun of him and make snide insinuations about him. This is a sign of low character and a lack of confidence in themselves.
Any of you even play college football? College or NFL talent scout? Just playing NFL football, much less starting QB on a playoff team is an accomplishment that VERY few men ever complete. He is a personal success as well, as he has followed his own heart, helped many people, and acted in a dignified and Christian manner. Despite the silly blather of the national sports press and the detestable public comments of those that, for whatever reason, want to see others humiliated somehow. Mr. Tebow is a professional football player. He will get another chance with some team and he will make or break himself. I wish him the best.
Quote from: NotNow on December 24, 2012, 05:44:23 PM
As much as I hesitate to stand up for IILy, you guys are out of line. If you can call Tebow a "sensitive boy" without "knowing" him, then IILy can certainly say he is a Christian.
Tim Tebow is a Heisman winning quarterback from a college national championship team. He quarterbacked a pro team into the playoffs. He is hardly "a sensitive boy" and your insinuation is stupid. He is a fan and most players are admired for more than just their play on the field. Most of the anti Tebow stuff is just directed at him because of his openness about his values and his Christianity. It makes some people feel better to make fun of him and make snide insinuations about him. This is a sign of low character and a lack of confidence in themselves.
Any of you even play college football? College or NFL talent scout? Just playing NFL football, much less starting QB on a playoff team is an accomplishment that VERY few men ever complete. He is a personal success as well, as he has followed his own heart, helped many people, and acted in a dignified and Christian manner. Despite the silly blather of the national sports press and the detestable public comments of those that, for whatever reason, want to see others humiliated somehow. Mr. Tebow is a professional football player. He will get another chance with some team and he will make or break himself. I wish him the best.
NotNow Thanks and Merry Christmas.
count Merill Hoge as a non-believer...he calls Tebow a fraud!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/12/24/nfl-tebow-merrill-hoge/1789529/
IMO, the sad part is that some Jags fans (and the media) really want Tebow here....he didn't exactly light it up in Denver and has virtually not even played in NY....every football team could use good human beings, but they need to have skill first.
It may be obvious that I'm not a Tebow fan....but in all honesty, his best bet is to go up to Canada (Montreal CFL team owns his rights) and learn how to become a pro passer.
I never understand the issue of his religion. I just think he sucks as an NFL QB. His religion is his business. Thats the part I wish people would leave out. This is purely about football. (IMO anyways) I think thats why I get irratated with the whole Tebow thing. Everybody thinks he is the golden child of the NFL because he is open about his religion, and that everybody worship him and kiss ass, regardless of his skill set as a NFL player. I dont care what religion you are, if you ass cant play pro ball, you just cant. He's a great guy and I dont have an issue with him because of other people's stupidity.
I don't think you need to be a former college or professional athlete to be able to see things that are pretty much black and white. I would venture to say that anyone that is a fan of NFL football knows how to comprehend stats such as pass completion percentage and read a QBR number. Both of which Tebow ranks at the bottom in those categories.
34 Games played. 47.9% completion. QBR of 29.9 last year when he played in 14 games in Denver.
Compare that to Christian Ponder. His rookie year 54.3% completion and QBR was 33.7.
Most would argue that Ponder doesn't even rank in the middle of NFL QB's right now, so Tebow definitely would be below him in the QB ranks.
Tebow released from the NY Jets today:
QuoteThe Jets released popular backup quarterback Tim Tebow on Monday morning, The Post has learned. The move comes three days after they drafted Geno Smith in the second round to compete with Mark Sanchez, David Garrard and Greg McElroy for the starting quarterback spot.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/jets_release_tim_tebow_twHFvSOgnkbGMj45xHPzeK
sports radio should be fun to listen to today.
Here we go!
Anyone elses's heart sink a little bit, thinking this was a brand new thread?
Nice guy, but it would be a total trainwreck.
Well he is bringing another Chicken option to Jax, I am not so certain about the football.
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/morning-edition/2013/04/tim-tebow-bringing-tampa-restaurant-to.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/morning-edition/2013/04/tim-tebow-bringing-tampa-restaurant-to.html)
Quote from: KenFSU on April 29, 2013, 10:12:27 AM
Anyone elses's heart sink a little bit, thinking this was a brand new thread?
Nice guy, but it would be a total trainwreck.
^I could have started a new thread but that was just me playing with Jags fan's emotions. ;D
Nevertheless, it is really messed up how the Jets treated this guy. They could have released him months ago, so he would have had decent time to try and find a new team.
^Yeah. Everything about how they've treated him sucks.
I want nothing but the best for Tebow. He seems to be a quality person. However, he is at best, a backup QB. The Jags are just starting to repair the damage done by Gene Smith, and the weight of a Tebow/QB controversy would be crushing to whatever progress they made in the draft.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 29, 2013, 10:18:43 AM
^Yeah. Everything about how they've treated him sucks.
Treated him? ha! It's a business, not a social club. It was an ill-advised move in the first place. Unless I'm missing something, the Jags wanted him too, and he picked the Jets. Stupid situation from any angle you look at it.
Quote from: ben says on April 29, 2013, 11:03:45 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 29, 2013, 10:18:43 AM
^Yeah. Everything about how they've treated him sucks.
Treated him? ha! It's a business, not a social club. It was an ill-advised move in the first place. Unless I'm missing something, the Jags wanted him too, and he picked the Jets. Stupid situation from any angle you look at it.
I'm no Tebow believer but after it became clear he wasn't going to work out the Jets could have cut him at any time. No one was going to trade for him, but they held on to him anyway until after the draft for no benefit to themselves. That was a cheap move. And yes, he did pick the Jets - after they told him he'd get playtime and would compete for the QB spot, which of course never happened.
According to what I've seen written, there were a few teams looking to trade for him if he wanted to be a TE.
Tebow is such a team player he's refused to move to any other position despite seemingly everyone saying he can't be a NFL QB
Wasn't Denver winning games with Tebow at QB before they dumped him for Peyton Manning? Not that I blame Denver for picking up Manning, but still...Has Blaine Gabbert done so much better for the Jags that we'd say he could be an NFL QB but Tebow can't? I'm not big into sports, but just wondering. All you QB experts out there, educate me.
Denver was winning games because it had the best defense in the NFL. The Broncos scored 18, 10, 38, 17, 17, 16, 35, 13, 23, 14, and 3 points with Tebow as a starter. Not exactly lighting up the scoreboard.
#EvenIfHesReleased
Quote from: FSBA on April 29, 2013, 12:39:04 PM
Denver was winning games because it had the best defense in the NFL. The Broncos scored 18, 10, 38, 17, 17, 16, 35, 13, 23, 14, and 3 points with Tebow as a starter. Not exactly lighting up the scoreboard.
Also, Tebow's completion percentage was less than 50%, which is well below average for a QB. Tebow also had the benefit of playing against some pretty bad teams in his run with the Broncos.
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on April 29, 2013, 12:33:01 PM
Has Blaine Gabbert done so much better for the Jags that we'd say he could be an NFL QB but Tebow can't? I'm not big into sports, but just wondering. All you QB experts out there, educate me.
Not that he's necessarily going to work out, but Gabbert was in a
much tougher situation than Tebow on the Broncos. The team around him has been much, much worse, and he was younger and more inexperienced to boot (he only had 3 years of college to Tebow's 4, and he didn't spend a season as a backup in the NFL). Whether he's the answer or not, it's unlikely Tebow would be.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 29, 2013, 01:21:29 PM
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on April 29, 2013, 12:33:01 PM
Has Blaine Gabbert done so much better for the Jags that we'd say he could be an NFL QB but Tebow can't? I'm not big into sports, but just wondering. All you QB experts out there, educate me.
Not that he's necessarily going to work out, but Gabbert was in a much tougher situation than Tebow on the Broncos. The team around him has been much, much worse, and he was younger and more inexperienced to boot (he only had 3 years of college to Tebow's 4, and he didn't spend a season as a backup in the NFL). Whether he's the answer or not, it's unlikely Tebow would be.
You hit the nail on the head. The Broncos, as a team , was much better than anything we had on the field the past Two years. And they still are with Manning under center. Their defense kept the games winniable because the Tebow and the offense couldnt put up any points. Their success has to the with the team in general, and not Tebow.
I love tebow. hope he goes to jax.
Quote from: TD* on April 29, 2013, 03:08:15 PM
I love tebow. hope he goes to jax.
No No No..Jaguars don't need him..#EvenIfHesReleased
New England might get TEBOW.
Statistically speaking, Gabbert had a better year last year than Tebow did in his last year with Denver
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2011
DEN
14 126 271 46.5 1,729 6.38 12 56 6 7 29.9 72.9
2012
JAC
10 162 278 58.3 1,662 5.98 9 80 6 4 40.9 77.4
Adam Schefter tweeted today that when Tebow was granted permission to seek a trade from the Jets, he spoke to several teams who asked him if he'd be willing to convert to TE/FB/H-back, and he told them no.
Quote from: Demosthenes on April 29, 2013, 06:10:30 PM
Statistically speaking, Gabbert had a better year last year than Tebow did in his last year with Denver
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2011
DEN
14 126 271 46.5 1,729 6.38 12 56 6 7 29.9 72.9
2012
JAC
10 162 278 58.3 1,662 5.98 9 80 6 4 40.9 77.4
You forgot the most important stat ... WINS ...
Quote from: British Shoe Company on April 29, 2013, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: Demosthenes on April 29, 2013, 06:10:30 PM
Statistically speaking, Gabbert had a better year last year than Tebow did in his last year with Denver
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2011
DEN
14 126 271 46.5 1,729 6.38 12 56 6 7 29.9 72.9
2012
JAC
10 162 278 58.3 1,662 5.98 9 80 6 4 40.9 77.4
You forgot the most important stat ... WINS ...
It takes a team to win, and Denver's defense was the biggest factor in their wins.
Quote from: British Shoe Company on April 29, 2013, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: Demosthenes on April 29, 2013, 06:10:30 PM
Statistically speaking, Gabbert had a better year last year than Tebow did in his last year with Denver
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2011
DEN
14 126 271 46.5 1,729 6.38 12 56 6 7 29.9 72.9
2012
JAC
10 162 278 58.3 1,662 5.98 9 80 6 4 40.9 77.4
You forgot the most important stat ... WINS ...
The QB on any team is only part of the possibility for wins. if the defense on the Broncos didn't hold in those low scoring games we arent having this discussion.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 29, 2013, 06:11:27 PM
Adam Schefter tweeted today that when Tebow was granted permission to seek a trade from the Jets, he spoke to several teams who asked him if he'd be willing to convert to TE/FB/H-back, and he told them no.
So the man has an ego afterall...
Quote from: ben says on April 29, 2013, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 29, 2013, 06:11:27 PM
Adam Schefter tweeted today that when Tebow was granted permission to seek a trade from the Jets, he spoke to several teams who asked him if he'd be willing to convert to TE/FB/H-back, and he told them no.
So the man has an ego afterall...
He must have one considering all the time he spent in the limelight, magazine photo shoots and all around PR promoting himself. What struck me about this is how folks put him on a pedestal for so long, only to see his football career fade away. I wonder if there is something to be learned from this?
Thanks Lake for giving me a near-nervous break down pulling up this old post. I was literally like No! NOOO!!!NOOOO!!!!!!! LOL
Quote from: ben says on April 29, 2013, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 29, 2013, 06:11:27 PM
Adam Schefter tweeted today that when Tebow was granted permission to seek a trade from the Jets, he spoke to several teams who asked him if he'd be willing to convert to TE/FB/H-back, and he told them no.
So the man has an ego afterall...
Considering the volume of self-promotion that's gone on in the past several years, and the constant use of Jacksonville for leverage, it does not surprise me.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on April 29, 2013, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: ben says on April 29, 2013, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 29, 2013, 06:11:27 PM
Adam Schefter tweeted today that when Tebow was granted permission to seek a trade from the Jets, he spoke to several teams who asked him if he'd be willing to convert to TE/FB/H-back, and he told them no.
So the man has an ego afterall...
He must have one considering all the time he spent in the limelight, magazine photo shoots and all around PR promoting himself. What struck me about this is how folks put him on a pedestal for so long, only to see his football career fade away. I wonder if there is something to be learned from this?
Learn this! Tebow never got an honest opportunity with the dysfunctional JETS last year. Sanchez had all the opportunity you could ask for. Their defense was great. The offense was not. Please don't crucify Sanchez. The NFL is an elite group of athletes, and Tebow proved in Denver that can play in the NFL.
Quote from: Demosthenes on April 29, 2013, 06:38:32 PM
Quote from: British Shoe Company on April 29, 2013, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: Demosthenes on April 29, 2013, 06:10:30 PM
Statistically speaking, Gabbert had a better year last year than Tebow did in his last year with Denver
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2011
DEN
14 126 271 46.5 1,729 6.38 12 56 6 7 29.9 72.9
2012
JAC
10 162 278 58.3 1,662 5.98 9 80 6 4 40.9 77.4
You forgot the most important stat ... WINS ...
The QB on any team is only part of the possibility for wins. if the defense on the Broncos didn't hold in those low scoring games we arent having this discussion.
The Jet's defense last year was better than Denver's defense was when Tebow played smash mouth football in Denver. Tebow found a way to win in Denver and never got the chance with the JETS. Also it's "aren't" not "arent"
If Tebow were good, he would get a chance to play, period. He was, at best, mediocre in Denver.
Broncs with Tebow: One playoff victory.
Broncs with Manning: One playoff victory
FWIW
Tebow works out.
This thread needs pics... I'm here to help.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tebow&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Uhh_UefsI4mO8wS15YD4CQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAA&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i%7C28%3Bd%7Cs9fqaLY1CNfmXM%3A
Even if he is released.
Please can we just move on as it is not happening!!!
Quote from: edjax on April 29, 2013, 09:18:02 PM
Even if he is releasedQuote from: edjax on April 29, 2013, 09:18:02 PM
Even if he is released.
Please can we just move on as it is not happening!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZWERQevzms&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Breaking News
Tebow is looking for a job or a job is looking for Tebow
Tebow is gonna sell him some chicken sammiches. Good luck to him. :)
NOoooooo!!!
Dolphins mum on possible Tebow interest
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/30/dolphins-mum-on-possible-tebow-interest/
From chicken to Beef. Well, it's always good to diversify.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/30/tebow-has-an-offer-from-the-omaha-beef/
Why do so many people hate on tebow? hes an incredible gifted athlete, who is a model person on and off the field.
If Tebow goes to Miami, that means an increasing likelihood that Tebow fans will move to South Florida... thus upping the collective average IQ of North Florida by a good 10 to 20 points.
I will never understand why people continue to bash a man that is a heisman winner, 2 time national champion, and played well his first year in the NFL.
Stop the hate.
Quote from: RiversideLoki on April 30, 2013, 04:51:45 PM
If Tebow goes to Miami, that means an increasing likelihood that Tebow fans will move to South Florida... thus upping the collective average IQ of North Florida by a good 10 to 20 points.
LMAO
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 04:54:12 PM
I will never understand why people continue to bash a man that is a heisman winner, 2 time national champion, and played well his first year in the NFL.
Stop the hate.
not bashing him at all, just saying he is not a NFL QB
I have no problem with Jees-bow, it's his followers who scare me.
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 04:54:12 PM
I will never understand why people continue to bash a man that is a heisman winner, 2 time national champion, and played well his first year in the NFL.
Stop the hate.
Gino Torretta also won a heisman and multiple national championships. I'm not bashing Tebow. I hope he finds a new job and his chicken restaurants do well. Like Mayor Brown, I hope he opens one of his restaurants in downtown or Springfield.
He seems like a great person but my Dolphins aren't running a wishbone or option offense. They've spent a ton of money this off season and focused the draft on building an offense that will throw down field. They also already have a young QB will more potential than Jax's BG and a proven decent backup. They should be attempting to address replacing Jake Long at left tackle.
Quote from: thelakelander on April 30, 2013, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 04:54:12 PM
I will never understand why people continue to bash a man that is a heisman winner, 2 time national champion, and played well his first year in the NFL.
Stop the hate.
They should be attempting to address replacing Jake Long at left tackle.
Maybe that's the plan.... ;)
It just irks me when something gets popular and everyone piles on top because its cool to hate on somebody, its pathetic. Shame on you all.
Also, why do guys talk about sports like its a religion? Everyone thinks they know whats best for every team, I call it armchair politics.
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 05:37:23 PM
Also, why do guys talk about sports like its a religion? Everyone thinks they know whats best for every team, I call it armchair politics.
re·li·gion
[ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
Because we are observing people doing superhuman things and we ritually watch them at certain times of the year while observing our own set of moral (and other) codes.
Difference is, we can actually see, hear, smell, touch and taste (especially Rothisberger if you're a young female at a club) our deities. Where's the problem?
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 04:46:26 PM
Why do so many people hate on tebow? hes an incredible gifted athlete, who is a model person on and off the field.
Why don't I care for Tebow?
Because he and his family/handlers have repeatedly used Jacksonville as a bargaining chip in a way that has been embarrassing to the city and its national image, starting from the "Just draft him!" radio and T-shirt campaign in 2009, thus resulting in an endless barrage of national reports ridiculing Jacksonville as a minor league hick town that would only "sell some tickets" if a local boy were on the roster, regardless of his NFL ability level. (These typically emanate from media sources that don't believe Tebow has the tools to succeed as a quarterback, but that he is the only thing Jacksonville will pay to watch regardless.)
Because the Jaguars have many players who are charitable, community oriented, and men of faith who are constantly ignored amidst the media rush to glorify Tebow for being a model person - to the extent that there is actually a vocal segment of sports fans in Jacksonville who don't believe the Jaguars have any Christian or charitable athletes and need Tebow to set an example for the team. (Just watch; this will start up again after the Blackmon incident.)
Because a lot of us believe he's not a good quarterback and never will be, but are instantly branded as anti-Christian bigots or "haters" for harboring this belief, thanks to the incredibly devoted Tebow fan base.
Because we constantly hear what a humble, team-oriented guy Tebow is, despite his having charged $160 for autographs at the Avenues Mall, and his attention-grasping photo shoots and "I work harder than anyone else" proclamations, as well as the recent, unsurprising revelation that he refused to consider a position switch when teams asked if he would do so if they traded for him.
Because I could not conceive of the world using the term "Wacca Pilatka-ing" to describe a prayer posture of mine and my then not doing anything with my gigantic media attention platform to tell people to stop that. Or accepting people's requests to autograph their Bibles.
Because after four long years, I'm sick to death of "He'd save the franchise," "He'd sell some tickets," "Elway only traded him because he was scared that another quarterback might upstage his legacy," and countless other neurotically repeated flights of delusion.
Its fine to dislike somebody for personal reasons, but i feel like its kind of out of hand. hating a person you most likely dont know in real life.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 30, 2013, 05:42:58 PM
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 04:46:26 PM
Why do so many people hate on tebow? hes an incredible gifted athlete, who is a model person on and off the field.
Why don't I care for Tebow?
Because he and his family/handlers have repeatedly used Jacksonville as a bargaining chip in a way that has been embarrassing to the city and its national image, starting from the "Just draft him!" radio and T-shirt campaign in 2009, thus resulting in an endless barrage of national reports ridiculing Jacksonville as a minor league hick town that would only "sell some tickets" if a local boy were on the roster, regardless of his NFL ability level. (These typically emanate from media sources that don't believe Tebow has the tools to succeed as a quarterback, but that he is the only thing Jacksonville will pay to watch regardless.)
Because the Jaguars have many players who are charitable, community oriented, and men of faith who are constantly ignored amidst the media rush to glorify Tebow for being a model person - to the extent that there is actually a vocal segment of sports fans in Jacksonville who don't believe the Jaguars have any Christian or charitable athletes and need Tebow to set an example for the team. (Just watch; this will start up again after the Blackmon incident.)
Because a lot of us believe he's not a good quarterback and never will be, but are instantly branded as anti-Christian bigots or "haters" for harboring this belief, thanks to the incredibly devoted Tebow fan base.
Because we constantly hear what a humble, team-oriented guy Tebow is, despite his having charged $160 for autographs at the Avenues Mall, and his attention-grasping photo shoots and "I work harder than anyone else" proclamations, as well as the recent, unsurprising revelation that he refused to consider a position switch when teams asked if he would do so if they traded for him.
Because I could not conceive of the world using the term "Wacca Pilatka-ing" to describe a prayer posture of mine and my then not doing anything with my gigantic media attention platform to tell people to stop that. Or accepting people's requests to autograph their Bibles.
Because after four long years, I'm sick to death of "He'd save the franchise," "He'd sell some tickets," "Elway only traded him because he was scared that another quarterback might upstage his legacy," and countless other neurotically repeated flights of delusion.
I've been waiting patiently for about 3 years to see Wacca post this!!!!
+a google
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 05:46:49 PM
Its fine to dislike somebody for personal reasons, but i feel like its kind of out of hand. hating a person you most likely dont know in real life.
I wish him the best of success in life. I hope he is very successful with his sharing his faith with others and that he inspires people. I hope he makes a mint with his chicken restaurants and shares his wealth with quality charities, as he seems to do. I hope he has a happy life full of family and friends.
I do not want him to be my team's quarterback, and I don't appreciate his and his entourage's having used Jacksonville as a tool for four years and caused national media ridicule of the city.
If that's your definition of "hate," consult a dictionary.
Wacca, That is a very professional response, and I like it. You could have said that to begin with.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 30, 2013, 05:46:57 PM
I've been waiting patiently for about 3 years to see Wacca post this!!!!
+a google
OK, now I'm waiting for you to have more fun with the SEC guy on Facebook who said Gabbert went to "East Nowhere State" and ridiculed you for going to Clemson. :D
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 05:51:23 PM
Wacca, That is a very professional response, and I like it. You could have said that to begin with.
I'm sure that most of the people who are not pulling for Tebow in football, or don't want him on the Jaguars, or resent some of the embarrassment he's (indirectly) caused the city, are not "hateful" toward him as a person.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 30, 2013, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 30, 2013, 05:46:57 PM
I've been waiting patiently for about 3 years to see Wacca post this!!!!
+a google
OK, now I'm waiting for you to have more fun with the SEC guy on Facebook who said Gabbert went to "East Nowhere State" and ridiculed you for going to Clemson. :D
What else was there to say... when those types start, I can't stop laughing because I keep hearing Prisco's, "Essss Eeeeeee Seeeeeee" in my head. It's too distracting.
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 05:36:22 PM
It just irks me when something gets popular and everyone piles on top because its cool to hate on somebody, its pathetic. Shame on you all.
Very few people have expressed an ounce of dislike for Tim Tebow the man. The prevailing opinionated is not an NFL caliber quarterback isn't a personal attack, but rather a reasonable opinion that happen to be shared by every NFL front office in the league. He could try his luck at a different position, and is athletic enough to make a go at it, but he refuses to play anything other than QB. His style pretty much dictates that his team would have to build a specialized offense from the ground up for Tebow, which is objectively very hard to justify for a guy who has completed less than half of his NFL passes and has had trouble putting points on the board throughout. It's not about hate. The cult of personality that surrounds him can be a little annoying, but you're not going to find a whole lot of people arguing that he's a bad guy.
All that said, let's not forget the fact that Jacksonville has every right to bash the guy. He had the choice between returning home to Jacksonville last year and joining our Jaguars, or going to New York and playing for the Jets. He chose NY, and look at how well that worked out. Nice guy, yes, but Jacksonville shouldn't accept being a Plan B or sloppy seconds for anyone.
Wacca hit the nail on the head. Another thing that I hate are when these Tebow/Gator fans who don't like the Jags brainwash all of their family (many whom have no freaking clue about sports) into believing that "Tebow would save the Jags". So now you have these senior citizens who don't like sports preaching the Tebow BS because their freaking Jag hating grandson told them some off the wall s@*t like "the Jags are gonna move to LA because they didn't get Tebow". I witnessed this crap for myself with my Mom's friends talking BS to her; My mom is a Jag fan, and she don't even let it get to her because she knows better.
Just for some personal perspective, TD*, this is what I posted yesterday regarding Tebow:
QuoteThere are those of us who could give a rat's a about his faith. Quite honestly, I think he has / had plenty of potential to be a good (not great) football player, just not a QB.
I truly believe his held back by a rabid fan base that's either all or nothing regarding him playing.
Most intelligent fans share a similar viewpoint. Problem is 'intelligent fan' is somewhat of an oxymoron.
Quote from: I-10east on April 30, 2013, 06:01:48 PM
Wacca hit the nail on the head. Another thing that I hate are when these Tebow/Gator fans who don't like the Jags brainwash all of their family (many whom have no freaking clue about sports) into believing that "Tebow would save the Jags". So now you have these senior citizens who don't like sports preaching the Tebow BS because their freaking Jag hating grandson told them some off the wall s@*t like "the Jags are gonna move to LA because they didn't get Tebow". I witnessed this crap for myself with my Mom's friends talking BS to her; My mom is a Jag fan, and she don't even let it get to her because she knows better.
And then it goes national, which means my friends in Virginia decide that everything they know I know about Jacksonville no longer has any merit, and ignore the game they just attended with me where 65,000 people attended, and start lecturing me about why we simply must sign Tebow to sell tickets.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 30, 2013, 05:59:58 PM
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 30, 2013, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 30, 2013, 05:46:57 PM
I've been waiting patiently for about 3 years to see Wacca post this!!!!
+a google
OK, now I'm waiting for you to have more fun with the SEC guy on Facebook who said Gabbert went to "East Nowhere State" and ridiculed you for going to Clemson. :D
What else was there to say... when those types start, I can't stop laughing because I keep hearing Prisco's, "Essss Eeeeeee Seeeeeee" in my head. It's too distracting.
I know these types exist, and I do of course believe the SEC is the best conference. But when some fellow who can't even spell is demeaning your ability to evaluate football on the grounds that you went to Clemson and he roots for SEC schools, the cognitive dissonance starts to set in.
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 05:36:22 PM
It just irks me when something gets popular and everyone piles on top because its cool to hate on somebody, its pathetic. Shame on you all.
Don Redman happens to be a popular man on these forums. People have piled on him because his views of what downtown should be don't match their's. People jump on Kim Daniels because she thinks she can heal people. Where's your post in defense of them? Why do you care so much about Tebow anyway? He seems like a good guy that should successfully land on his feet whether he's playing football, developing restaurant chains or leading missions regardless of what sports fans think.
Go Omaha Beefs! (http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9228241&src=desktop)
Where's the beef!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0
Aside from saying he isn't a great NFL Qb, where has anyone said anything awful about him personally? I think that is part of the problem, if non-fans don't deify him, we are somehow bashing him.
I think he would make a fine backup somewhere. Here in Jax, the mindless fans would immediately cause a QB controversy that would send the team toward yet another year of lost opportunities.
Quote from: RiversideLoki on April 30, 2013, 08:19:11 PM
Go Omaha Beefs! (http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9228241&src=desktop)
Beef offer Tim Tebow a contract
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OMAHA, Neb. -- The Omaha Beef have a job waiting for Tim Tebow if he wants it -- and the Nebraska indoor football team will even pay him $75 a game.
A day after Tebow was cut by the New York Jets, the Beef called the office of Tebow agent Jimmy Sexton to offer a standard player contract.
Beef assistant general manager Andrew Mather said Tuesday that he doesn't expect to hear back, but he thought it was worth asking.
Tebow went unclaimed on NFL waivers Tuesday.
The Beef's quarterback, James McNear, has led the team to a 5-1 start. He's completing 70 percent of his passes and has thrown for 21 touchdowns against just two interceptions.
McNear is anything but insulted by the Beef's wooing of Tebow.
"I think Tim can learn a lot from me," McNear said.
I'd be lying if I said that last line didn't make me laugh....
Quote from: TD* on April 30, 2013, 05:36:22 PM
It just irks me when something gets popular and everyone piles on top because its cool to hate on somebody, its pathetic. Shame on you all.
It isn't hate, it is a result of being irritated by all of the Tebow fanatics who think he is the answer for the Jaguars.
The Jets didn't keep him on the bench because they didn't like him, they kept him on the bench because he wasn't getting the job done in practice. I guarantee you that if he looked better than Sanchez in practice, which really shouldn't have been that hard to do considering how bad Sanchez was on the field, he'd have been the starting QB for the Jets.
As for the "All Tebow does is win" claims, Denver's schedule was a very easy schedule with none of the teams that Denver beat while he was QB having a record over .500 at the end of the season and his stats were terrible in the the final 3 games of the season which Denver lost.
Tebow, stat wise, is no better than Blaine Gabbert so why would the Jags pick up a QB with the controversy he brings and isn't any better than what they currently have as a starter?
Quote from: carpnter on May 01, 2013, 08:47:11 AM
Tebow, stat wise, is no better than Blaine Gabbert so why would the Jags pick up a QB with the controversy he brings and isn't any better than what they currently have as a starter?
They'd sell many thousands of really expensive shirts.
Quote from: jlehr on May 01, 2013, 09:02:12 AM
Quote from: carpnter on May 01, 2013, 08:47:11 AM
Tebow, stat wise, is no better than Blaine Gabbert so why would the Jags pick up a QB with the controversy he brings and isn't any better than what they currently have as a starter?
They'd sell many thousands of really expensive shirts.
NFL teams already make a profit from the TV deal alone, they don't have to stoop so low.
That, and revenue from jersey sales other than at team official stores or stadium stores is shared equally among all 32 teams. So anyone who bought a Tebow jersey at NFL Shop, Football Fanatics, etc. was providing as much money to the Jaguars as to the Broncos/Jets.
Lord somebody please kill this thread ::)
^^I agree!
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 01, 2013, 01:19:39 PM
Lord somebody please kill this thread ::)
Nah... We need to get it to at LEAST 30 pages before even considering it's removal... :P
Caution: LA is coming to steal your NFL team in 2011 (Read 18626 times) (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,6178.725.html)
http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/forbes-tebow-most-influential-athlete/29075523683/fanSports/newest/
Mr Tebow is definitely influential. So much so, that during the past few rainy days I found myself running out in a grassy field, shirtless, with a pensive look on my face. I may or may not have worn color contact lenses to enhance my naturally greyish-blue eyes. I don't think I have felt so free in ages.
Quote from: buckethead on May 06, 2013, 11:24:38 PM
Mr Tebow is definitely influential. So much so, that during the past few rainy days I found myself running out in a grassy field, shirtless, with a pensive look on my face. I may or may not have worn color contact lenses to enhance my naturally greyish-blue eyes. I don't think I have felt so free in ages.
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHA how have you not received more congratulations on this post yet??
White house rejects fan petition to send Tebow to the Jags?
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Even MJ has resorted to using Tebow to drive up the web clicks.
Why else promote this thread on facebook two days in a row?
I wish both lovers and haters would just stop talking about him and he will become yesterday's news.
Actually, I saw the post on FB and it was the other, 9 billion page long Jaguars thread. LET'S INTERNET ARGUE!
Tebow. It's funny reading people's reactions. ;)
Quote from: stephendare on May 07, 2013, 03:31:53 PM
Quote from: Gators312 on May 07, 2013, 12:28:57 PM
Even MJ has resorted to using Tebow to drive up the web clicks.
Why else promote this thread on facebook two days in a row?
I wish both lovers and haters would just stop talking about him and he will become yesterday's news.
Because some of us love Tebow, thats why.
Count me as one of those people.
Apparently he plays football, but I certainly see no reason why that should be held against him.
And he has nice "buns".
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on May 07, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: stephendare on May 07, 2013, 03:31:53 PM
Quote from: Gators312 on May 07, 2013, 12:28:57 PM
Even MJ has resorted to using Tebow to drive up the web clicks.
Why else promote this thread on facebook two days in a row?
I wish both lovers and haters would just stop talking about him and he will become yesterday's news.
Because some of us love Tebow, thats why.
Count me as one of those people.
Apparently he plays football, but I certainly see no reason why that should be held against him.
And he has nice "buns".
I presume you didn't mean it this way, but I'll go out on a limb, Diane, and chalk you up as a for in the "Tebow as a Tight-end" column.....
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 07, 2013, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on May 07, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: stephendare on May 07, 2013, 03:31:53 PM
Quote from: Gators312 on May 07, 2013, 12:28:57 PM
Even MJ has resorted to using Tebow to drive up the web clicks.
Why else promote this thread on facebook two days in a row?
I wish both lovers and haters would just stop talking about him and he will become yesterday's news.
Because some of us love Tebow, thats why.
Count me as one of those people.
Apparently he plays football, but I certainly see no reason why that should be held against him.
And he has nice "buns".
I presume you didn't mean it this way, but I'll go out on a limb, Diane, and chalk you up as a for in the "Tebow as a Tight-end" column.....
:) Actually that's exactly what I meant! He is fun to watch and you don't even have to like football to enjoy Tebow.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on May 07, 2013, 04:53:41 PM
:) Actually that's exactly what I meant! He is fun to watch and you don't even have to like football to enjoy Tebow.
I'd daresay it's required.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on May 07, 2013, 04:53:41 PM
:) Actually that's exactly what I meant! He is fun to watch and you don't even have to like football to enjoy Tebow.
And let the snark commence.... It's probably a lot easier and more fun to watch Tebow play if you don't enjoy the game of football. ;)
Watching him carry defenders to the sideline as he gives it his all for a first down in the closing moments of a game is exciting!
It's also disappointing for a fan of the game when they realize that he didn't see 2 wide open receivers crossing over the middle, and had he completed the pass, the game would be over.
Context I guess.
^Context indeed! I only meant to say that I noticed his nice "buns" by accident when he was kneeling in prayer after a winning play doncha know. Hehehehe
Quote from: stephendare on May 07, 2013, 05:16:25 PM
Quote from: PeeJayEss on May 07, 2013, 04:58:13 PM
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on May 07, 2013, 04:53:41 PM
:) Actually that's exactly what I meant! He is fun to watch and you don't even have to like football to enjoy Tebow.
I'd daresay it's required.
what on earth does football have to do with the fun of watching Tebow?
My point exactly Stephen! :)
^ I had to watch this clip several times to see if you were being truthful Stephen. It appears you were, however I may check another time to be certain. lol
Seeing the title of this thread everyday that I visit the site still irks me... I can't wait for the NFL season to start and he's still unemployed and maybe people can move on from this fantasy of him being a NFL caliber football player.
Timmy has a better chance of being in the main event of Wrestlemania next year than playing QB in the NFL.
NOW, one of the attorneys at Morgan and Morgan posted an AD in Orlando's paper urging Khan to bring in Tebow and it states that our our losing record the past five years is "one of the worse in NFL history" (which is a HUGE stretch of the truth being that some teams have went without a winning record for 20 years or more in the past without winning) and theres more to come.. this is a LOCAL attorney. I am so sick of these psychos and all this bull shit. Why don't they just marry the damn guy and have him play football in the their damn backyard if they love him so much. It takes a lot to be an NFL QB. Just because someone was a winner in college, doesn't mean they are required to have a spot in the NFL. He's not an NFL QB. GET OVER IT!
http://www.youtube.com/v/WTz_8kdsruw
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/07/florida-lawyer-buys-ads-urging-jaguars-to-sign-tebow/
I know where I'm NOT going if I ever need the services of a lawyer...
The Morgan video has so little to do with Tebow, and so much to do with advertising to his base and getting the most bang for his buck. Seriously, this is an advertising stunt. By passing the video, talking about it, and debating Morgan, you give him more and more free advertising.
The guy knows Khan, do you think he needs to take out an ad to express his wish to Khan? This is a Morgan and Morgan fluff piece, look how little he had to spend on the ad, and it's reach.
Don't be angry by it. That only gives it more power.
He is getting exactly what he wants.
Im just sick of the crap period. Its like the movie groundhog day, I go to bed and wake up and its the same shit all over again. I dont think its the ad that has many angered, just the years and years and years of Tebow carp piled on. I enough already I mean really. And its not only constantly attached to the city of Jacksonville, but the to actual Jaguar fans. Yeah we can easily brush off the ad, but my point is why use something to solicy for your business that has posed a negative image on the city and the Jaguar organization, and needs to be put to rest? If anything i would NOT use their services for that very reason.
Wow. You guys are really worked up about Tebow. Let it goooooooooo. If he has the talent he will find a job. If he doesn't...he will do something else. Let's worry about the Jags and all of the new faces that will be playing HERE this season.
Quote from: FSBA on May 07, 2013, 09:43:01 PM
Timmy has a better chance of being in the main event of Wrestlemania next year than playing QB in the NFL.
If he's in Wrestlemania, I presume it will be scheduled during a rainstorm.
Quote from: NotNow on May 08, 2013, 10:10:17 AM
Wow. You guys are really worked up about Tebow. Let it goooooooooo. If he has the talent he will find a job. If he doesn't...he will do something else. Let's worry about the Jags and all of the new faces that will be playing HERE this season.
Thats the whole thing NotNow, its impossible for anyone to move on if the Tebow Zombies are busy worshiping him every change they get. Thats like saying forget about your ex, but shes sitting on your doorstep every night and wont leave you alone. LOL
LOL! Campaigning for Tebow is being debated between Stephen A. Smith and Skip on ESPN First Take.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 08, 2013, 10:33:04 AM
Quote from: NotNow on May 08, 2013, 10:10:17 AM
Wow. You guys are really worked up about Tebow. Let it goooooooooo. If he has the talent he will find a job. If he doesn't...he will do something else. Let's worry about the Jags and all of the new faces that will be playing HERE this season.
Thats the whole thing NotNow, its impossible for anyone to move on if the Tebow Zombies are busy worshiping him every change they get. Thats like saying forget about your ex, but shes sitting on your doorstep every night and wont leave you alone. LOL
All the while you continue to feed the zombies. Just like the Tebow Zombies you continue to post about him.
Quote from: Gators312 on May 08, 2013, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 08, 2013, 10:33:04 AM
Quote from: NotNow on May 08, 2013, 10:10:17 AM
Wow. You guys are really worked up about Tebow. Let it goooooooooo. If he has the talent he will find a job. If he doesn't...he will do something else. Let's worry about the Jags and all of the new faces that will be playing HERE this season.
Thats the whole thing NotNow, its impossible for anyone to move on if the Tebow Zombies are busy worshiping him every change they get. Thats like saying forget about your ex, but shes sitting on your doorstep every night and wont leave you alone. LOL
All the while you continue to feed the zombies. Just like the Tebow Zombies you continue to post about him.
Just like they ride him, I can post my feeling towards the subject. So whatever.
David Caldwell addressed the Tebow crap again and nothing has changed; He still has no interest. Irrational Tebowmaniacs, your fifteen minutes are up with the '#15 should go to Jax" crap; Go back into your burrow.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/08/caldwell-reiterates-no-tebow
The Tebowphiles will never stop.
Quote from: copperfiend on May 08, 2013, 11:41:54 AM
The Tebowphiles will never stop.
This is how religions get started. I bet Jesus was just a really cut athlete way back in the day.
Quote from: stephendare on May 08, 2013, 12:07:00 PM
He was a fairly well educated carpenter, and I think its hard to be wildly popular, even for a little while, without also being wildly attractive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUvgqItrt1c
I think you've stumbled onto something here. Jesus was set up! He was the original model slash actor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUvgqItrt1c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUvgqItrt1c)
http://www.youtube.com/v/EUvgqItrt1c
"None of them made it past 30"
Quote from: stephendare on May 08, 2013, 12:07:00 PM
...and I think its hard to be wildly popular, even for a little while, without also being wildly attractive.
Sure about that?. Let's go to the video.... errrrrr..... photos!
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^Bill Murray is the only one there that could qualify as "wildly popular," and I bet he did pretty well with the ladies even before he was famous.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on May 08, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
^Bill Murray is the only one there that could qualify as "wildly popular," and I bet he did pretty well with the ladies even before he was famous.
I tip my hat to NRW for the Gary Busey inclusion anyway.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on May 08, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
^Bill Murray is the only one there that could qualify as "wildly popular," and I bet he did pretty well with the ladies even before he was famous.
I disagree.... Both Buscemi and Busey are 'wildly popular' though many people may not even know their names - they're more recognized by their unique unattractive 'features'.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on May 08, 2013, 02:22:07 PM
Quote from: PeeJayEss on May 08, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
^Bill Murray is the only one there that could qualify as "wildly popular," and I bet he did pretty well with the ladies even before he was famous.
I tip my hat to NRW for the Gary Busey inclusion anyway.
I give it an A- he could have found a more incriminating photo.
This is good... :D
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/22217884/congratulations-tebow-fans-youve-run-your-favorite-son-out-of-the-nfl
QuoteIf Tim Tebow never plays in the NFL again, his fans loved his career to death.
We knew this day was coming. The rest of us, I mean. Those of us who aren't Tebow fans, even those of us who enjoyed his presence in the NFL the same way we enjoy elephants, clowns and Waldo the two-headed walrus. We knew this would happen. That one day, the squeakiest wheels on the Tebow bandwagon would drive his career right off the cliff.
Congratulations, idiot who petitioned President Obama to force the Jaguars to sign Tebow. You did this.
Congratulations, attention-seeking Florida lawyer buying air time in the Jags' market to clamor for Tebow. You did this.
But it's not just those two. It's the rest of you. It took millions of you to do this, but I'll be damned -- millions of you did it.
It's the Forbes thing. Every year the magazine surveys the country to determine the most influential person in various spheres, including sports. The most influential person in sports today? In the whole country?
Tim Tebow.
Any idea how many NFL teams -- from the owner to the general manager to the coach to the locker room -- want a backup quarterback who is considered the most influential athlete in the country?
Zero.
You've done this, Tebow fans. You've loved Tebow's career to death. You're a seventh-grader who calls his girlfriend every hour on the hour just to say, "I love you so much!" Pretty soon the girlfriend's parents put an end to the relationship, because that's just stupid. And you're being a pain in the ass.
What do you know? I stumbled onto a motto for the Tebow fan base:
We're a pain in the ass.
Here's the truth. I had this story on my radar a week ago. I can't prove it to you, but that's a fact. At the time the headline in mind was "Trolling Tebow," because that's what seemed to be happening. An arena football team, stupendously called the Omaha Beef, offered Tebow its quarterback job at $75 a game. A lingerie football league wanted Tebow to do something. Play? Coach? Referee? Not sure. I could look it up, but anything beyond the words "Tebow" and "lingerie league" is just a detail. When a window company in Florida offered him $30,000 to throw footballs at its product -- to prove its windows are hurricane-proof by having Tebow throw at them, or something -- I was sold.
Trolling Tebow. That was my story for early this week. But on Saturday, Boston College's courageous Dick Kelley emailed me to say he was ready to talk. And then the Geno Smith story grabbed me by the throat. Which leads to today.
And what do you know? The story has changed from idiots trolling Tebow to even bigger idiots doing exactly what they don't want: making it difficult for Tebow to continue in the NFL -- and impossible in Jacksonville, just down the road from Nease High and the University of Florida, where the Tebow legend started and then flourished.
Last week that other stuff happened. The Omaha Beef. The lingerie league. The window company. Since Saturday, the petition to Obama happened. The commercial begging the Jags to sign Tebow happened. The Forbes survey happened.
Hell, Mike Ditka happened.
Somebody thought it was a good idea to ask Ditka about Tebow, and Ditka said he would play Tebow. This is the guy who once traded an entire draft to pick Ricky Williams, so an endorsement from Ditka means about as much as an endorsement from John Morgan.
Who is John Morgan? Exactly. Point of fact, he's an attorney in Orlando who apparently loves two things: The sound of his voice, and the sound of his voice when it says the words "Tim Tebow." Morgan combined both loves in a ridiculous radio commercial aimed at Jags owner Shahid Khan.
The commercial hit the Jacksonville airwaves Tuesday, just a few days after the WWE ringside announcer -- a WWE Hall of Famer! -- broached the idea of Tebow becoming a professional wrestler.
It's ridiculous, obviously. Somewhere off the coast of Jacksonville swims a shark. Maybe more than one shark. Maybe hundreds. The Tebow story has jumped every last one of them.
Shahid Khan knows this. When the Jags owner was asked this week about Tebow, Khan said he was "fascinated" by the question. Don't misunderstand what he was saying: He's not fascinated by Tebow. He's fascinated by the question. And it is a fascinating question:
Why the absurd demand for Tebow? Why are Tebow's fans loving him right out of the NFL?
Do they see what they're doing?
Do they see what they've done?
If I were the GM of the Jags, I'd have a nice long talk with Tebow. Tell him straight up that; "Your performance as a pro has... shall we say, been a little less then sparkling. I really hope you find that team to grow into and become the super star that you were in college. However, if you don't, we will offer you a job, an opportunity as a reserve QB, at X dollars. (note we didn't say XXX dollars). Take our deal and come home, or wait it out and maybe some other team will step up... but remember that clock is ticking and our offer is open."
Why? Because if we could pick him up for the true price he is worth as a player, he'd have the ability of a super star to fill seats for a season or two. If at that time the enthusiasm dropped through the floor, we could send him packing.
Saw this linked on the Jags subreddit and really liked it:
Quotehttp://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/5/8/4311724/enough-is-enough
Enough is Enough
By janjags on May 8 2013, 11:36a @delacruzjan 70
Hi.
My name is Jan.
I just finished my first year at the University of Florida, and am glad to be back in DUVAAALLLL for the summer. I usually keep to myself, this is my first post on BCC, but with the White House petition and Morgan & Morgan ad craziness going on, I've decided that enough is enough.
At this point I'm sure I'm just wasting my time trying to be rational with the Tebowites out there, but I've spent the last 8 months in a place that sells cutouts of his head in the bookstore. I've dealt with endless chatter and whining, and usually I just nod my head telling myself "it's okay, they don't know any better." I've tried to be patient, but the recent lengths that are being taken and the "facts" behind bringing him here have become far too frustrating for me to sit and watch all my nephews & nieces handle it.
While I respect the opinion of those Tebow supporters that want him here, I just don't fully understand how so many of them blissfully reject reasonable arguments as to why it wouldn't work. What did he do to seemingly blind you so much? I've seen his Heisman in the trophy room. It doesn't shine all that bright. I even declined the "safety sunglasses" that the security guard tried to hand me.
I've heard the same arguments time and time again. Usually it's some grumbling mixed with the words tickets, tarps, and competition. Well....
Ticket Sales & Tarps
Tim Tebow's first NFL game in Jax was with the Broncos in 2010, a game that had 63,636 tickets distributed. That year, the Jags averaged 63,032 in ticket sales across all games. When the Jets came to town this year, 67,027 tickets were sold. Though the 2012 average was 64,984, again, I'm conceding here and using the numbers of tickets sold and not an actual turnstile count. Fans on both sides (Jags fans and solely Tebow fans) don't actually go to the game for some reason or the other. Also, note that for the Bears game 67,012 tickets were sold, and for the Christmas Eve Eve Patriots game 70,251 tickets were sold.
But I'll just assume that the nearly 600 tickets in 2010 and about 2000 tickets in 2012 over the average are all as a direct result of Tebow, for argument's sake. Even if this is true, these numbers just aren't high enough to make a significant impact. 9,703 seats are currently covered by the tarps. Even taking the higher number of tickets sold from the Jets game, you would need about a 385% increase in (4.85 times as many!) Tebow fans to unite and buy tickets to get rid of the tarps. That's with every benefit of the doubt already given to you, which is far from the reality of the situation. I could also always spin the numbers the other way around like Tebowites often do and say "WE SOLD MORE TICKETS FOR THE PATS GAME" or "ONLY 15 MORE OF YOU BOUGHT TICKETS THAN FOR THE BEARS GAME" but there's several facts that prevent me from making such assumption jumps (Christmas gifts, Chicago's road travelling prowess, etc). Assumption jumps have become the name of the game though, so maybe I should.
I've tried explaining this to friends before, and I'm usually told "but it'll be different when he's in a Jags uniform." He's more than likely going to be on the bench no matter what colors he's wearing, so any impact would be short-term at best. And at least in my opinion, I don't think season ticket sales would go up all that much. Single-game sales would probably marginally rise, as Tebow fans would show up for a game or two to yell for Tim's number to be called, only to see how fruitless it is. And please don't argue that "blackouts would never happen again." They haven't in 3 years without him. Even if he was here, most of the Tebow faithful would continue to watch on TV anyway, as a rousing game of "find the hidden bible verse" just isn't the same in the stadium.
Competition
"At least bring him in there for competition."
It's a competition that you wouldn't even watch. The second Tim completes a pass and Blaine misses, the "competition" will be called over. And even if Tim looks terrible in practice I'm sure we'll hear the "he's not a great practice player" and "he's at his best in-game" excuses again. Why are you begging for competition, when you only use it as a means to get him on the team rather than actually improve the team itself? It's like there's this unspoken Tebow fan ideal that if he gets on the team, one way or another he's going to end up the starter. Honestly if anything, he'll make Gabbert look like a hall of famer.
What's the end game?
If Tim magically ends up in Jax, will billboards be bought to call for him to be the starter? And if he ends up the starter and is terrible, will more billboards go up calling for more weapons? Maybe a different offensive system? Coaches? GM? It will never be Tim's fault, no matter what happens. Most fans know not to expect a Super Bowl this year. Tebow's not going to change that, but seemingly if he makes the team and doesn't end up winning, it's everyone else's fault. I wish the same line of thinking worked in my life. "I didn't do so well on my Biology exams because the teacher is really bad, and the book is hard to read, and my seat in lecture was uncomfortable so Mr. Med School Representative please consider that I'm actually really really smart I just haven't been given the opportunity to show that."
To the White House petition guy:
Did you really think this was going to work? Stop watching your 2008 BCS Championship VHS tape and move on. Did all the articles about you make you feel special? If you were a real Jags fan, you'd realize how much of a negative spotlight you've thrown upon the organization. What part of "even if he's released" do you and your fellow Tebowites don't understand? Dave said it, then Tim got released. What do you think changed since?
To Mr. Morgan:
Business going that bad that this is how you drum up publicity? "We can't even fill an entire endzone." Really? I mean, come on! And you even dropped the "winner" word. Is that Skip Bayless remix your ringtone? For the majority of your pitch, you used college stats. Boy, if only those translated to the NFL every single time. By the way, what's a "winner?" Is it because he likes to win? And every other NFL players likes to lose? Or that he has this extreme passion and desire for winning? So is Charlie Sheen a winner, too? I hate that arguing this is really all you want, I mean you're getting free advertisement out of all this frustration. So I guess then this is only fair:
Farah & Farah > Morgan & Morgan
Farah & Farah > Morgan & Morgan
Farah & Farah > Morgan & Morgan
Farah & Farah > Morgan & Morgan
Farah & Farah > Morgan & Morgan
Farah & Farah > Morgan & Morgan
And finally, to my fellow nephews & nieces:
I know I've written over a thousands words, so thanks for reading this much. We always seem like a minority in this fight, and that's what's frustrating to me. The media won't let it go, these "fans" won't let it go, and no matter what we say Mr. New Jersey is still gonna watch that VHS tape. I'm proud to say that I'm with this team through it all, and when we hit the good years we can all look around and say a "I see you nephew" to the ones we know that stuck through this. If anything, we nephews have grown closer. So let's continue to harass each other in the comments, avoid Uncle Chap's twitpics, and RIP people's mentions from time to time. Diamond Dave and Gus have got us, EverBank will soon be filled as a result of real winning and not a short-term distraction, and we'll all be proud of the ride.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 10:19:27 AM
Why? Because if we could pick him up for the true price he is worth as a player, he'd have the ability of a super star to fill seats for a season or two. If at that time the enthusiasm dropped through the floor, we could send him packing.
The only seats going unsold at Jaguar games are a segment of the club seats. The general bowl has been sold out for the past three seasons.
The people who have been making "I'd buy tickets if only we had Tebow!" noise are not going to buy club seats.
They are also convinced Tebow can do no wrong. If we didn't play him, they'd turn on the team. If he played poorly, they'd blame the team. They already look for any excuse to trash the Jaguars anyway. I am constantly confronted with the straw-man arguments that the Jaguars are full of "thugs" with "arrest records," that I must want the NFL to be full of rapists and murderers, that the Jaguars have no Christians or good role models, etc. etc. ad nauseam. Then they break out the "Since the Jags didn't sign Tebow, I don't care if they move to Los Angeles!" card with alacrity.
At the risk of spectacular understatement, these are not the kind of people you want as fans. This isn't a matter of how much it costs to acquire him. It's a matter of the inability to get rid of him if he doesn't succeed because of his insane fan base. And most NFL people don't think he's going to succeed unless he switches positions, which he evidently refuses to do.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 10:19:27 AM
If I were the GM of the Jags, I'd have a nice long talk with Tebow. Tell him straight up that; "Your performance as a pro has... shall we say, been a little less then sparkling. I really hope you find that team to grow into and become the super star that you were in college. However, if you don't, we will offer you a job, an opportunity as a reserve QB, at X dollars. (note we didn't say XXX dollars). Take our deal and come home, or wait it out and maybe some other team will step up... but remember that clock is ticking and our offer is open."
Why? Because if we could pick him up for the true price he is worth as a player, he'd have the ability of a super star to fill seats for a season or two. If at that time the enthusiasm dropped through the floor, we could send him packing.
This is wrong on so many levels, Ock. Honestly, this may be one of the least informed posts I've read.
The problem isn't the cost of Tebow. The problem is his inability to throw the football.
The problem isn't his presence on the team. The problem is his fans' omnipresence.
The problem isn't his physical tools to play football. The problem is his inability to throw the football.
The problem isn't his lack of trying. The problem is his inability to throw the football.
And I don't doubt for a second, that by signing Tebow, that we will increase season ticket sales..... by about 200.
Once we start winning that number will increase by 10 fold whether or not he's on the team.
His presence is not worth the headache that comes along with it.
IF HE COULD THROW THE FOOTBALL, HE WOULD STILL BE IN DENVER!!!!!!!! until they get Manning, then....
IF HE COULD THROW THE FOOTBALL HE WOULD STILL BE IN NEW YORK!!!!!!! but he couldn't beat out Sanchez or McElroy
IF HE COULD THROW THE FOOTBALL HE WOULD BE EMPLOYED!!!!!!!! He can't. He isn't. Let it go.
I wish people, including locals, would get the memo that the Jags DO NOT HAVE ATTENDANCE PROBLEMS, at least not relatively.
We ranked 20th (out of 32 teams) in both average and total attendance last season.
We ranked 17th (out of 32 teams) in % of tickets sold.
I haven't run the numbers recently, but our per capita attendance is usually in the top two or three in the entire league.
The tarps aren't a black eye, or a sign of the Jags' inability to sell tickets, but rather a concession to the fact that our stadium is simply too damn big for a market this size. It was clear from the Jags third season onward. With per capita attendance so high already, nothing short of a massive population increase will allow us to remove those tarps permanently. This isn't a shameful thing, and I get tired of hearing locals use stupid phrases like "_______ will help those tarps come off."
Winning may boost attendance, but the real goal should be to boost ticket prices through fielding a winning team that people want to watch, and by continuing to improve the game day experience at Everbank.
We don't have to take our tarps off
To have a good time, uh huh...
Ken,
Didn't you do a pretty intensive study on the Jags attendance v/s market size v/s stadium size?
The problem is his fans' omnipresence.
BINGO
And BTW, Kenfsu, I didn't say we had low attendance, but those omnipresent fans would fill in ANY gaps in seating we've got for a season or two... By then his offer expires.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
And BTW, Kenfsu, I didn't say we had low attendance, but those omnipresent fans would fill in ANY gaps in seating we've got for a season or two... By then his offer expires.
Again, no, they wouldn't
"Tim Tebow's first NFL game in Jax was with the Broncos in 2010, a game that had 63,636 tickets distributed. That year, the Jags averaged 63,032 in ticket sales across all games. When the Jets came to town this year, 67,027 tickets were sold. Though the 2012 average was 64,984, again, I'm conceding here and using the numbers of tickets sold and not an actual turnstile count. Fans on both sides (Jags fans and solely Tebow fans) don't actually go to the game for some reason or the other. Also, note that for the Bears game 67,012 tickets were sold, and for the Christmas Eve Eve Patriots game 70,251 tickets were sold.
But I'll just assume that the nearly 600 tickets in 2010 and about 2000 tickets in 2012 over the average are all as a direct result of Tebow, for argument's sake. Even if this is true, these numbers just aren't high enough to make a significant impact. 9,703 seats are currently covered by the tarps. Even taking the higher number of tickets sold from the Jets game, you would need about a 385% increase in (4.85 times as many!)"
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
And BTW, Kenfsu, I didn't say we had low attendance, but those omnipresent fans would fill in ANY gaps in seating we've got for a season or two... By then his offer expires.
I don't think you're taking account of which seats are going unsold. It's predominantly the upper level club seats on one side of the stadium. I very much doubt that fickle fans are going to shell out for those more expensive seats.
And even if they show up, they create an unbelievable disturbance and slander the team any time anything goes wrong for their boy.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
The problem is his fans' omnipresence.
BINGO
And BTW, Kenfsu, I didn't say we had low attendance, but those omnipresent fans would fill in ANY gaps in seating we've got for a season or two... By then his offer expires.
I still don't believe that his fans would make even a dent in the ticket sales department.
Jersey sales? Sure. But those proceeds get split 32 ways. I know!!!!! Why doesn't the NFL require every team to sign him to a minimum 2 month contract? All of his regionally challenged, vapid fans could start buying jerseys by the truckload.... The NFL makes money, all 32 teams make money, everyone gets a Tebow Jersey in their favorite team color... GD I'm a genius today! This is most definitely a win-win-win.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 09, 2013, 11:33:40 AM
Ken,
Didn't you do a pretty intensive study on the Jags attendance v/s market size v/s stadium size?
Yes. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but when the Jags entered the league, I believe the NFL's average stadium capacity to MSA population ratio was something like 3.5%. In other words, the average NFL stadium had 35,000 seats for every 1,000,000 in population. Median was closer to 25,000 seats for every 1,000,000 in population. Jacksonville's ratio was more than double the mean ratio, and over triple the median. I believe it was 8.3%. To put that in perspective, if Jacksonville had built a stadium in line with the rest of the league, the proper configuration would have been between 23,000 (built to median ration) and 28,000 (built to mean). Ridiculous, of course, but no more ridiculous than setting NFL capacity at nearly
77,000 for a market of less than a million. Even after the tarps were added, Jacksonville still had the highest ratio in the league. Jacksonville struggles to sell out the stadium because it
should struggle to sell out the stadium. In regards to per capita attendance, season after season Jacksonville (along with Buffalo) enjoys the highest per capita attendance in the NFL. Attendance as a percentage of market size is ridiculously high.
In short, all things considered, it is not a disgrace, but a borderline miracle that Jacksonville averages 62,000+ in NFL attendance.
Evenifhesreleased.com
Ohmigosh. Would someone please euthanize this thread? It would be a mercy killing. A jury would never convict!
I love Tebow as a person but don't force him to the Jaguars, cause he's worst than Gabbert.
Rynjny, agreed, thats why he'd only get minimum wage... whatever the hell that is in football.
As for the poor turnout at the game he played in, his diehard fans were there - part of the mass, but the other 88,548 (the size of The Swamp) were pissed off because:
1. He is from JAX and playing in a Denver uniform
2. We didn't draft him and the 88,548 felt betrayed by our team
I don't think you get where I'm coming from, the team needs a home pride perk up after a few dismal seasons, and Tebow could give us the positive PR boost we need in the highly critical of anything JAX national press. 'Home boy done good...' etc. The trick would be a balance between a very basic pay offer and the longevity of the boost.
BTW, While I love the idea of our NFL presence, I'm hardly a rabid football fan, they are however, good for the city.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 01:16:32 PM
I don't think you get where I'm coming from, the team needs a home pride perk up after a few dismal seasons, and Tebow could give us the positive PR boost we need in the highly critical of anything JAX national press. 'Home boy done good...' etc. The trick would be a balance between a very basic pay offer and the longevity of the boost.
It won't be a positive PR boost.
The national media covers Tebow a lot, and often talks him up because he drives TV ratings, but no one seriously thinks of him as an NFL quarterback.
Every time they speak of Tebow to Jacksonville, the sometimes explicit, though more often implicit, comment they are making is "This city is a minor-league town that can't handle pro sports and is foolish enough to think that this guy can succeed as an NFL quarterback. I bet they're so desperate that they'll bid against themselves to get him!"
Tebow is used as a bludgeon to ridicule Jacksonville. REPEATEDLY. Signing him only furthers that ridicule in the national press.
Bringing him in will make the majority of actual Jaguars fans angry and will only satiate the people I described upthread who are exactly NOT the kind of fans one wants to have - the "Sign this one guy and recognize his brilliance or we'll actively root for the hometown team to move to another city!" crew.
Alienating a proud and loyal base while throwing a bone to people who don't care if Jacksonville gets embarrassed is not the way to build hometown pride.
Tebow's salary has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this.
By the way, for the past 10 seasons we employed a guy named Rashean Mathis, who is from Jacksonville, is a Christian and involved in local charities, and for several of those years played at a very high level. The local media ignored him. The idea that Tebow is unique because he is Christian, local, or charitably inclined is FRAUDULENT.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 01:16:32 PM
As for the poor turnout at the game he played in, his diehard fans were there - part of the mass, but the other 88,548 (the size of The Swamp) were pissed off because:
1. He is from JAX and playing in a Denver uniform
2. We didn't draft him and the 88,548 felt betrayed by our team
Ah, I see. Already making excuses. It will NEVER be Tim Tebow's fault. That's one thing his fans have made perfectly clear.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 01:16:32 PM
Rynjny, agreed, thats why he'd only get minimum wage... whatever the hell that is in football.
His best offer to date is $75/game with Omaha Beef
QuoteAs for the poor turnout at the game he played in, his diehard fans were there - part of the mass, but the other 88,548 (the size of The Swamp) were pissed off because:
1. He is from JAX and playing in a Denver uniform
2. We didn't draft him and the 88,548 felt betrayed by our team
Just stop. The turnout for his game was far from poor. All the Tebowites think that his presence alone would fill a stadium twice the size of Everbank, but the facts just aren't there to substantiate. How many of the 88,548 fans get free student tickets to go to the swamp, BTW? How's their turnstile been since the Messiah has left?
QuoteI don't think you get where I'm coming from, the team needs a home pride perk up after a few dismal seasons, and Tebow could give us the positive PR boost we need in the highly critical of anything JAX national press. 'Home boy done good...' etc. The trick would be a balance between a very basic pay offer and the longevity of the boost.
Again. Just stop. If you want a solid PR boost, win 9-10 games a season and compete weekly. If you want a single game type PR boost, give out Blackmon Coozies to the first 10k fans that show up.
The real 'trick' would be for Tebow to complete more than just over 1/2 his passes and be able to see wide open receivers downfield. If he could do that, they're wouldn't be this discussion in the first place, he would still be on a team.... someone's team...... anyone's team...... He's not. You want to know the kicker? The Jets are paying him NOT TO PLAY or even BE ON THEIR TEAM! How's that for talent assessment?
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I wish the Raiders would just sign him already.
http://www.havethejaguarssignedtebowyet.com/
Beautiful
Quote from: FSBA on May 09, 2013, 03:08:36 PM
http://www.havethejaguarssignedtebowyet.com/
Haha Priceless ;D
EvenIfHesReleased.com
This is getting a little silly. I never claimed that I'm a big Tebow fan. But you guys just proved my point a few posts back.
QuotePosted by: Wacca Pilatka
« on: Today at 01:30:42 PM » Insert Quote
The national media covers Tebow a lot, and often talks him up because he drives TV ratings,
Ratings are based on PEOPLE. People = seats sold.
At what point can we just kill this thread?
Tired of seeing the subject line. It's over.
I asked that same question 30 responses ago. I was told it wont be killed until response 3,465
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 11:17:10 PM
This is getting a little silly. I never claimed that I'm a big Tebow fan. But you guys just proved my point a few posts back.
QuotePosted by: Wacca Pilatka
« on: Today at 01:30:42 PM » Insert Quote
The national media covers Tebow a lot, and often talks him up because he drives TV ratings,
Ratings are based on PEOPLE. People = seats sold.
temporary seats sold does not=long term answer. That's part of the problem. Weaver tried temporary solutions (aka tarps) that didn't work. and Tebow is a gimmick. Business doest succeed off of gimmicks. And aprrently weve been doing fine the past three seasons and this upcoming season without tebow. And the Jets game wasnt exactly "sold out" last season when "tebow as coming to town."
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 10, 2013, 02:36:04 AM
Weaver tried temporary solutions (aka tarps) that didn't work. and Tebow is a gimmick.
Don't blame Weaver, blame whoever catered the stadium solely for the FL/GA game. Contrary to popular belief, letting the games blackout because we can't fill up a 80K(or whatever) untarped stadium in one of the smallest markets isn't a good thing either. IMO given the circumstances Weaver actually did the right thing.
Let me preface by saying that this is not confirmed, BUT.... Sources close the the Jags have reported that talks are VERY close to being finalized which would bring in the athlete known as Tebow. I won't say in what capacity, and my source wishes to remain anonymous. I will say this: there may be those in the upper ranks that believe Tebow has the potential to become not only the best Quarteback in franchise history, but also in the history of the game.
Serious business.
I believe.
What do you believe?
Quote from: I-10east on May 10, 2013, 04:24:08 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 10, 2013, 02:36:04 AM
Weaver tried temporary solutions (aka tarps) that didn't work. and Tebow is a gimmick.
Don't blame Weaver, blame whoever catered the stadium solely for the FL/GA game. Contrary to popular belief, letting the games blackout because we can't fill up a 80K(or whatever) untarped stadium in one of the smallest markets isn't a good thing either. IMO given the circumstances Weaver actually did the right thing.
I don't think we get the team without the 70k+ seat stadium.
From what I've read the NFL would've been fine with a stadium with the tarped capacity. It was the threat of the FL/GA game and the city overestimating long term demand (isn't that a trend?) that caused the stadium to go over 70,000.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 09, 2013, 11:17:10 PM
This is getting a little silly. I never claimed that I'm a big Tebow fan. But you guys just proved my point a few posts back.
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The national media covers Tebow a lot, and often talks him up because he drives TV ratings,
Ratings are based on PEOPLE. People = seats sold.
Not if they're PEOPLE who are incredibly fickle and turn on the hometown team at the slightest provocation - as covered at great length beyond the first sentence in my previous posts. They're not the kind of people you want to work to attract to the stadium.
Once again - THE ONLY SEATS GOING UNSOLD ARE CLUB SEATS. Fair-weathers are not going to buy the club seats. If they do, they won't stay for long when they realize Tebow's a dud. He's a stopgap solution to a problem whose existence is grossly overinflated, and his domineering fan base doesn't deserve appeasement.
Incidentally, I have the utmost respect for you but don't particularly like your destroying the context of the partial sentence quote, which when read in full states that the national media uses Tebow as a tool to ridicule Jacksonville.
Quote from: copperfiend on May 10, 2013, 08:04:04 AM
Quote from: I-10east on May 10, 2013, 04:24:08 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 10, 2013, 02:36:04 AM
Weaver tried temporary solutions (aka tarps) that didn't work. and Tebow is a gimmick.
Don't blame Weaver, blame whoever catered the stadium solely for the FL/GA game. Contrary to popular belief, letting the games blackout because we can't fill up a 80K(or whatever) untarped stadium in one of the smallest markets isn't a good thing either. IMO given the circumstances Weaver actually did the right thing.
I don't think we get the team without the 70k+ seat stadium.
It would have been even harder than it was, plus we'd be in danger of losing the Florida-Georgia game as well. The real question is, why the hell does the NFL arbitrarily tie blackouts to percentage of seats sold, rather than, you know, a minimum number? That's the real problem.
Quote from: copperfiend on May 10, 2013, 08:04:04 AM
I don't think we get the team without the 70k+ seat stadium.
I totally disagree. All of that "70K+ to attract the Super Bowl" crap was just a cherry on the cake, nothing else. It's not like we would have been requesting a 50K stadium which is under the NFL capacity, and I surely never heard a 'special' Jax rule from the commish saying we had to get a 70K+ stadium. 60K to 65K would've been fine. Now would the FL/GA game be threatened in Jax with a 60K some odd seat stadium? Yes, not getting the NFL team.
The commitment to build (and fill) a large stadium with club seats was one of Jax's major selling points over the other bids. We were easily the underdog in the race from the start.
so f'in sick of seeing this thread
Taca, to me 65K stadium isn't exactly 'small'. The word 'large' is a lil subjective. As long as we met the NFL's capacity requirement, along with other NFL hopeful cities' follies, I couldn't see in any way the NFL denying Jax a NFL team. The only reason why that stadium was so large was because of the FL/GA game; It dictated the entire package. I get that we were the underdog, but I think that sometimes we over-downplay ourselves with this "Little market Jax needed this one of a kind unpresented package to the NFL" when I don't think that was the case.
Quote from: ben says on May 10, 2013, 01:49:18 PM
so f'in sick of seeing this thread
I agree. I'm not gonna even respond here anymore. I'll continue on the Jags thread. LOL
In regards to Jacksonville's NFL bid, the stadium was definitely Touchdown Jax's crown jewel. In fact, Jacksonville was nearly eliminated from expansion contention after their first presentation to the league, in part because they didn't put enough emphasis on the stadium. Jacksonville's a small market, and it was imperative for the team's revenue to be very largely stadium-driven. The large capacity coupled with the stadium clubs, luxury boxes, and league-leading number of club seats was a huge plus.
Overall though, it was kind of a perfect storm of events.
- A city that spent over a decade courting NFL owners and executives
- A Jacksonville-native NFL owner who offered invaluable guidance over the years (Hugh Culverhouse)
- A laundry list of existing owners who, in falsely threatening to move their teams to Jacksonville, became familiar with Jacksonville and what it had to offer as an NFL market
- An NFL commissioner, President, and Vice President that liked Jacksonville and saw money in the under-served Southeast
- A money man (Wayne Weaver) that NFL owners liked and trusted
- A $40+ million existing commitment already in place to upgrade the stadium for Florida-Georgia
- A few key people who were able to mediate an increasingly testy relationship between the City and TD Jax (Delaney was key in getting the lease signed, and Carl Cannon was an important middle-man between Weaver and Ed Austin)
- A wildly successful, attention-grabbing club ticket drive (9,000+ sold in just over a week)
- A consistent, safe proposal (unlike St. Louis, for example)
Throw in the guarantee that all visiting teams would receive $1 million of the live gate, and Jacksonville really was the safest, if least glamorous choice.
NBC Reports Tebow to Pats...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/10/patriots-to-sign-tim-tebow/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/10/patriots-to-sign-tim-tebow/)
Great now can we delete this thread or at least rename it
I hate to see this thread every time its bumped up lol
So, a future Hall of Fame Coach has seen value in Tebow where 31 other teams have not.
He isn't a multiple Super Bowl Champion for nothing folks.
This was a no brainier and the Jags passed.
Poor management decision.
Good for Tebow, at least he will have a chance at getting a Ring.
Just sayin...
Quote from: marksjax on June 10, 2013, 05:53:22 PM
So, a future Hall of Fame Coach has seen value in Tebow where 31 other teams have not.
He isn't a multiple Super Bowl Champion for nothing folks.
This was a no brainier and the Jags passed.
Poor management decision.
Good for Tebow, at least he will have a chance at getting a Ring.
Just sayin...
And then you woke up
Quote from: duvaldude08 on June 10, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
I hate to see this thread every time its bumped up lol
+1
Quote from: marksjax on June 10, 2013, 05:53:22 PM
So, a future Hall of Fame Coach has seen value in Tebow where 31 other teams have not.
He isn't a multiple Super Bowl Champion for nothing folks.
This was a no brainier and the Jags passed.
Poor management decision.
Good for Tebow, at least he will have a chance at getting a Ring.
Just sayin...
Wake me up when he makes the Pats final roster..
Guess Pats need bench warmers also.
Belichick gives approval for signing him.
Tebow must deliver no doubt.
I'm betting he makes the roster...
Why so many haters?
Local boy makes good?
What's wrong with that story?
Quote from: marksjax on June 10, 2013, 06:25:01 PM
Belichick gives approval for signing him.
Tebow must deliver no doubt.
I'm betting he makes the roster...
Why so many haters?
Local boy makes good?
What's wrong with that story?
To restate what I said on page 7...
Why don't I care for Tebow?
Because he and his family/handlers have repeatedly used Jacksonville as a bargaining chip in a way that has been embarrassing to the city and its national image, starting from the "Just draft him!" radio and T-shirt campaign in 2009, thus resulting in an endless barrage of national reports ridiculing Jacksonville as a minor league hick town that would only "sell some tickets" if a local boy were on the roster, regardless of his NFL ability level. (These typically emanate from media sources that don't believe Tebow has the tools to succeed as a quarterback, but that he is the only thing Jacksonville will pay to watch regardless.)
Because the Jaguars have many players who are charitable, community oriented, and men of faith who are constantly ignored amidst the media rush to glorify Tebow for being a model person - to the extent that there is actually a vocal segment of sports fans in Jacksonville who don't believe the Jaguars have any Christian or charitable athletes and need Tebow to set an example for the team. (Needless to say, the Jones-Drew and Blackmon affairs re-started this.)
Because a lot of us believe he's not a good quarterback and never will be, but are instantly branded as anti-Christian bigots or "haters" for harboring this belief, thanks to the incredibly devoted Tebow fan base.
Because we constantly hear what a humble, team-oriented guy Tebow is, despite his having charged $160 for autographs at the Avenues Mall, and his attention-grasping photo shoots and "I work harder than anyone else" proclamations, as well as the recent, unsurprising revelation that he refused to consider a position switch when teams asked if he would do so if they traded for him.
Because I could not conceive of the world using the term "Wacca Pilatka-ing" to describe a prayer posture of mine and my then not doing anything with my gigantic media attention platform to tell people to stop that. Or accepting people's requests to autograph their Bibles.
Because after four long years, I'm sick to death of "He'd save the franchise," "He'd sell some tickets," "Elway only traded him because he was scared that another quarterback might upstage his legacy," and countless other neurotically repeated flights of delusion.
Also, for the past 10 years the Jaguars employed Rashean Mathis. For the better part of that period, he was a good player.
He's a Christian, a charitable guy, and born and raised in Jacksonville.
Never once have I heard any of the Tebowphiles who insist that we need a "local boy" who is Christian and charitable acknowledge the fact that WE EMPLOYED SOMEONE WHO IS ALL THREE OF THESE FOR THE PAST DECADE.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on June 10, 2013, 06:52:58 PM
Quote from: marksjax on June 10, 2013, 06:25:01 PM
Belichick gives approval for signing him.
Tebow must deliver no doubt.
I'm betting he makes the roster...
Why so many haters?
Local boy makes good?
What's wrong with that story?
To restate what I said on page 7...
Why don't I care for Tebow?
Because he and his family/handlers have repeatedly used Jacksonville as a bargaining chip in a way that has been embarrassing to the city and its national image, starting from the "Just draft him!" radio and T-shirt campaign in 2009, thus resulting in an endless barrage of national reports ridiculing Jacksonville as a minor league hick town that would only "sell some tickets" if a local boy were on the roster, regardless of his NFL ability level. (These typically emanate from media sources that don't believe Tebow has the tools to succeed as a quarterback, but that he is the only thing Jacksonville will pay to watch regardless.)
Because the Jaguars have many players who are charitable, community oriented, and men of faith who are constantly ignored amidst the media rush to glorify Tebow for being a model person - to the extent that there is actually a vocal segment of sports fans in Jacksonville who don't believe the Jaguars have any Christian or charitable athletes and need Tebow to set an example for the team. (Needless to say, the Jones-Drew and Blackmon affairs re-started this.)
Because a lot of us believe he's not a good quarterback and never will be, but are instantly branded as anti-Christian bigots or "haters" for harboring this belief, thanks to the incredibly devoted Tebow fan base.
Because we constantly hear what a humble, team-oriented guy Tebow is, despite his having charged $160 for autographs at the Avenues Mall, and his attention-grasping photo shoots and "I work harder than anyone else" proclamations, as well as the recent, unsurprising revelation that he refused to consider a position switch when teams asked if he would do so if they traded for him.
Because I could not conceive of the world using the term "Wacca Pilatka-ing" to describe a prayer posture of mine and my then not doing anything with my gigantic media attention platform to tell people to stop that. Or accepting people's requests to autograph their Bibles.
Because after four long years, I'm sick to death of "He'd save the franchise," "He'd sell some tickets," "Elway only traded him because he was scared that another quarterback might upstage his legacy," and countless other neurotically repeated flights of delusion.
Amen!
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on June 10, 2013, 06:55:49 PM
Also, for the past 10 years the Jaguars employed Rashean Mathis. For the better part of that period, he was a good player.
He's a Christian, a charitable guy, and born and raised in Jacksonville.
Never once have I heard any of the Tebowphiles who insist that we need a "local boy" who is Christian and charitable acknowledge the fact that WE EMPLOYED SOMEONE WHO IS ALL THREE OF THESE FOR THE PAST DECADE.
Double amen!!
Also, since when, and WHY does it matter if a football player is a Christian?
Quote from: ben says on June 10, 2013, 07:42:10 PM
Also, since when, and WHY does it matter if a football player is a Christian?
I was referencing that with Mathis just to make the comparison between how he got ignored vs. how abundantly Tebow is covered.
It doesn't matter to me (though, full disclosure, I am one), but it DOES matter to me that the Jacksonville media has given such overwhelming coverage to one guy, while virtually ignoring members of its hometown team, that I've had Tebow fans declare to me (on mutiple occasions) that there are no Christian or charitable players on the Jaguars and even that Khan refuses to employ them.
The Jaguars give and give and give of their time and money to this community, and the Jacksonville media can't stop saying "Root for this guy instead!"
^Agree
Interesting and informative response.
I don't concur but I respect your reasonings.
WOKV, which is theoretically the official station of the Jaguars, did a Facebook post a couple of hours ago asking people to chime in about whether they are now Patriots fans.
Seriously? National media sharks have been trying to force Jaguar relocation rumors and humiliate Jacksonville for close to a decade, and the team's official station is promoting the idea of forsaking the Jaguars?
Of course, it's not a first. They and the T-U and TimTimXL are more responsible for damaging the Jaguars brand than ANYTHING negative any of the Jaguars have ever done on or off the field.
I look at the way these outlets covered Jacksonville's quest for an NFL team compared to how they cover their local team now, and especially how they've spent the last several years throwing themselves whole-hog into the idea that it's totally cool to forsake the hometown team to follow one man with no discernable loyalty to the city, and I have no earthly idea what they are doing.
Quote from: marksjax on June 10, 2013, 08:08:58 PM
Interesting and informative response.
I don't concur but I respect your reasonings.
Thank you for taking the time to read it.
Okay, can we please use the New England Tebow thread that's already made (albeit with a borderline uncomfortable half naked pic of the Messiah on the top post LOL) and abandon this Jax Tebow thread?
Quote from: I-10east on May 10, 2013, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: ben says on May 10, 2013, 01:49:18 PM
so f'in sick of seeing this thread
I agree. I'm not gonna even respond here anymore. I'll continue on the Jags thread. LOL
BEN & 10 East ... Responds ... Cock crow three times?
^^^Yeah, I forgot, although to be fair that response was an attempt to halt other responses LOL.
Quote from: I-10east on June 10, 2013, 08:28:13 PM
^^^Yeah, I forgot, although to be fair that response was an attempt to halt other responses LOL.
http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matthew-mark/did-cock-crow-once-or-twice-peters-third-denial