Insane Clown Posse on Jax Native Fred Durst
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Other/Weekend-Edition-June-23/i-CBbXQPh/0/O/insaneclownpossebanner.jpg)
Its been a busy year for Fred Durst. He is currently working on his third film, "Pawnshop Chronicles" and in February he announced after reuniting Limp Bizkit in 2009 that the band would be signing onto the Cash Money label. One of his side projects was to make a cameo appearance with Insane Clown Posse. ICP recently confirmed what many have been saying about the man once widely considered one of the biggest asses in show business. Fred has turned out to be a decent man and an nice guy: Join us below the fold for Insane Clown Posse on our boy Fred and the new project.
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2012-jul-insane-clown-posse-on-jax-native-fred-durst
more on this please.
Unless I'm mistaken (and I cannot believe I actually know this), Fred Durst is not really a Jacksonville native (depending on how you define the term, I guess). He moved here in his teenage years. He's originally from North Carolina.
He might not truly be a Jax 'native' but if he says he's from here, then he's from here. It's no different than Eminem, Ludacris, and Kanye West repping Detroit, ATL, and Chi Town respectively.
Quote from: I-10east on November 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM
He might not truly be a Jax 'native' but if he says he's from here, then he's from here. It's no different than Eminem, Ludacris, and Kanye West repping Detroit, ATL, and Chi Town respectively.
I don't doubt that he's "from" here. He's "from" Jacksonville as much as I am. I was just pointing out that he's not really a native, per se. But then again, it might be down to how you define the word native.
And my quibbling with the use of the word 'native' is more a function of me being a pedantic prick than it is of me hating on Jacksonville, so save your breath ;D
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 12:44:28 PM
Quote from: Adam W on November 18, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: I-10east on November 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM
He might not truly be a Jax 'native' but if he says he's from here, then he's from here. It's no different than Eminem, Ludacris, and Kanye West repping Detroit, ATL, and Chi Town respectively.
I don't doubt that he's "from" here. He's "from" Jacksonville as much as I am. I was just pointing out that he's not really a native, per se. But then again, it might be down to how you define the word native.
And my quibbling with the use of the word 'native' is more a function of me being a pedantic prick than it is of me hating on Jacksonville, so save your breath ;D
since pedantry and semanticism seem to be the order of the day, I havent actually read any rule that requires that someone's birthplace is where they are 'from'. In fact, I have often heard people describe the matter thusly: I am from (place a) although I was born in (place b).
You need to work on your reading comprehension, my friend ;)
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: Adam W on November 18, 2012, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 12:44:28 PM
Quote from: Adam W on November 18, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: I-10east on November 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM
He might not truly be a Jax 'native' but if he says he's from here, then he's from here. It's no different than Eminem, Ludacris, and Kanye West repping Detroit, ATL, and Chi Town respectively.
I don't doubt that he's "from" here. He's "from" Jacksonville as much as I am. I was just pointing out that he's not really a native, per se. But then again, it might be down to how you define the word native.
And my quibbling with the use of the word 'native' is more a function of me being a pedantic prick than it is of me hating on Jacksonville, so save your breath ;D
since pedantry and semanticism seem to be the order of the day, I havent actually read any rule that requires that someone's birthplace is where they are 'from'. In fact, I have often heard people describe the matter thusly: I am from (place a) although I was born in (place b).
You need to work on your reading comprehension, my friend ;)
hmm. This will mark the second time in almost fifty years that someone has suggested it, of course the other guy was a pedantic prick but im sure that it an unrelated fact.
Perhaps you could help me understand by explaining your suggestion.
Stephen, I agreed that Fred Durst is from Jacksonville. I stated that in my earlier post.
Stephen, Fred Durst is not a lifelong resident of Jacksonville.
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 04:16:01 PM
I agree that you agreed to that.
What we seem to differ on is whether or not the definition of 'native' applies to Durst, and since the dictionary agrees that it does, I would assume that the matter is settled. ;)
The dictionary doesn't agree at all, but you never admit you are wrong. So I guess the matter is settled, in some ways ;)
Lifelong would mean for one's entire life. We already know Durst lived in Gastonia, NC until his teen years. He moved to Jax and then left for the Navy for a few years. He came back and formed Limp Bizkit.
Once the band got big, he let again and was gone for a number of years. He may very well live in Jax again. But by any measure, he hasn't lived in Jax for his entire life.
Maybe if he is living in Jax now and lives in Jax for the rest of his life he will indeed fit your very broad definition of a "native."
I suppose you have access to those tax returns, though.
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 04:20:42 PM
http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/house-in-los-angeles-bel-air-area-that-rocker-fred-durst-once-owned-comes-back-on-the-market-for-6-45-million/
you are free to argue with the definition if you like, adam.
Thanks for confirming that Fred Durst at least didn't live in Jax for a chunk of the 2000s. Odd for a "lifelong resident."
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 04:29:11 PM
Quote from: Adam W on November 18, 2012, 04:22:18 PM
Lifelong would mean for one's entire life. We already know Durst lived in Gastonia, NC until his teen years. He moved to Jax and then left for the Navy for a few years. He came back and formed Limp Bizkit.
Once the band got big, he let again and was gone for a number of years. He may very well live in Jax again. But by any measure, he hasn't lived in Jax for his entire life.
Maybe if he is living in Jax now and lives in Jax for the rest of his life he will indeed fit your very broad definition of a "native."
I suppose you have access to those tax returns, though.
Hmm, Adam. In order for your argument to have weight, I suppose that we have to take a few things on faith.
1. That Fred never lived, stepped foot in, or otherwise had any roots in Jacksonville until after the day he turned at least 13.
2. That joining the navy required him to leave Jacksonville, because, you know......how could he be in the Navy and still live in Jax, right?
3. That he owns no property here in Jacksonville and divested himself of any address or property after he made it 'big' and decided to go pay state income taxes in Cali, and then wrongfully claim that he was 'from' jacksonville for the rest of his career.
I believe that Occam's razor applies here, but do lets hear your evidence on the three points which must be demonstrated to support your argument.
Stephen, Fred Durst grew up in Gastonia, NC. He may have visited Jax as a child or even had roots here. That doesn't make him a native of Jacksonville, anymore than me having a grandmother in Buffalo, NY makes me a native of Buffalo (even though I visited there a lot as a child and even stayed there one summer in junior high).
As far as the Navy goes, he had to at least go away for basic training.
We could go back and forth about this all day.
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 04:33:22 PM
of course, I think its also fair to admit that I think there is lattitude in the word usage, and there does not really exist a strict definition that could really apply.
But maybe my reading comprehension is the culprit. ;)
I think we could both agree that Fred Durst is one of Jax's biggest recent exports.
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 04:46:45 PM
William Frederick Durst (born August 20, 1970 in Jacksonville, Florida) is the lead singer of Limp Bizkit.
Fred Durst was born in Jacksonville, Florida. His biological father left when he was several weeks old, and he was raised solely by his mother, Anita Durst, during his infancy. The two were very poor, his mother having no house, job, or money. They lived in the top of a church, and people brought him baby food, which they both lived on. Anita eventually met Bill, a policeman, who she married when Durst was 2. He was Durst's father figure.
I'm absolutely incorrect if that's the case.
Okay, I take your word for it Stephen. I just updated wiki saying that Durst was born in Jax.
Wow. Good thing this thread has stayed on Topic. I was actually talking about Fred on Thursday with some co-workers. He knows my sister and brother in law and I had the chance to meet him in March. He was absolutely the nicest guy and he was very welcoming and friendly. He was extremely respectful of my sister and spoke very highly of her husband. His monther Anita was also very friendly and nice. My coworker had the chance to meet him on a separate occasion and said the same thing. I hope he has continued success in the future.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 19, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
Wow. Good thing this thread has stayed on Topic. I was actually talking about Fred on Thursday with some co-workers. He knows my sister and brother in law and I had the chance to meet him in March. He was absolutely the nicest guy and he was very welcoming and friendly. He was extremely respectful of my sister and spoke very highly of her husband. His monther Anita was also very friendly and nice. My coworker had the chance to meet him on a separate occasion and said the same thing. I hope he has continued success in the future.
You know, I always wondered how much of his persona was real and how he actually was as a person. I'm sure he's also mellowed a bit with age.
I despised Limp Bizkit when they were big - for all sorts of reasons. These days, I can't help but look back on them a bit more fondly.
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 12:44:28 PM
Quote from: Adam W on November 18, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: I-10east on November 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM
He might not truly be a Jax 'native' but if he says he's from here, then he's from here. It's no different than Eminem, Ludacris, and Kanye West repping Detroit, ATL, and Chi Town respectively.
I don't doubt that he's "from" here. He's "from" Jacksonville as much as I am. I was just pointing out that he's not really a native, per se. But then again, it might be down to how you define the word native.
And my quibbling with the use of the word 'native' is more a function of me being a pedantic prick than it is of me hating on Jacksonville, so save your breath ;D
since pedantry and semanticism seem to be the order of the day, I havent actually read any rule that requires that someone's birthplace is where they are 'from'. In fact, I have often heard people describe the matter thusly: I am from (place a) although I was born in (place b).
Shoot, I've never lived in Jacksonville at all but allow anyone and everyone to assume I'm a native and certainly never discourage the notion :D
Quote from: stephendare on November 18, 2012, 04:44:25 PM
(This relationship became the inspiration for his breakout hit, "Nookie.")
This makes me question the whole article. "Faith" was their breakout hit. "Nookie" was their breakdown hit.
Also, the internets have Wayne Kramer as the director after having Durst as the director, so it would seem the order of directors attached to the project is incorrect in the above article, and imdb has it correct. Time (or legitimate inquiry) will tell for certain.
While I don't doubt that Fred Durst is an alright guy, why are we trusting the opinion of ICP? Why are people even still talking about those guys?
Whoa bro. Why you gotta hate on ICP? Juggalo nation raise up!!! Are you a maggot or something??
Quote from: PeeJayEss on November 19, 2012, 09:43:42 AM
While I don't doubt that Fred Durst is an alright guy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6998744.stm
Quote from: KenFSU on November 19, 2012, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: PeeJayEss on November 19, 2012, 09:43:42 AM
While I don't doubt would believe (but probably don't accept) that Fred Durst is an alright guy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6998744.stm
There ya go!
P.S. Not suggesting that Fred Durst couldn't have mellowed and become a decent guy -- fame can really do a number on people -- but not quite sure the phrase "Jax Native Fred Durst" does much for the old local public image either :)
James Weldon Johnson, now there's a guy we should embrace.
Anyone remember the LP record release party at Club Five? I think there were more people on the street that night than there were at Riverside Wine Festival, except the street wasn't technically closed.
Under almost all circumstances I agree with you. We've got some great local artists. Yellowcard was a great local success story (they were our neighbors in Tallahassee, we spent a lot of time with them, and they would occasionally crash at our place) and their new album is quite fun. Our Southern Rock heritage is massively underappreciated. In this hyper-specific case though, I just can't say I agree with the idea of actively celebrating someone with such a horrid reputation of just downright jerkishness, violence, and misogyny, simply because he was born in our city limits.