http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-04-20/story/judge-threatens-block-opening-new-duval-courthouse
QuoteAfter waiting more than a decade for a new courthouse to be finished, Duval County's chief judge may delay opening the $350 million building because of a dispute about furniture.
Chief Circuit Judge Donald Moran told the Times-Union editorial board Friday that parts of the 800,000 square-foot building will be "non-functioning" without more furniture for dozens of hearing rooms.
And he said he won't accept the building, due to open next month, unless that changes.
"We have a move scheduled. If I don't have functional hearing rooms, it's my intention not to move into that courthouse on a timely basis," Moran said.
He has some leverage.
Florida's constitution says no building can be used to house trials unless the chief judge approves it as a courthouse.
Moran, who has been chief judge for 19 years, said his choice isn't about ego or opulence but whether the building will have enough tables, chairs and other basics to be serve the public.
"If you want to tear the columns off the building, I don't have anything to say about it. You can paint the building pink," Moran said. "But functionality, durability, security, I have to have some say-so about it. So that's the standstill we're at."
There's really not a shortage, said Ronnie Belton, the city's chief financial officer, who is overseeing city efforts to control costs on the building.
City employees have combed through furniture in the 300,000-square-foot existing courthouse on Bay Street and checked how much could be used in the new building.
"We think it's there," Belton said, adding he's confident they'll fill out the hearing rooms once they're moved to the new site west of Hemming Plaza.
But Circuit Judge Mallory Cooper said most of the old furniture was already committed to other spots in the building to offset spending cuts in those areas.
The city could save about $730,000 if it didn't buy anything more.
But Moran said he's just not confident of the city's estimates -- and isn't ready to take Belton's word.
"As they say in Texas, he's all hat and no cattle," Moran said.
The city has a legal duty to equip public areas of the courthouse, such as hearing rooms, city General Counsel Cindy Laquidara said. Private rooms such as judges' chambers are furnished at the state's expense.
Moran said the city had already provided for furnishings for other parts of the building, but he and Belton have been at odds about what's needed on the seventh floor, where there are 37 hearing rooms.
A lot of the old courthouse furnishing are already spoken for, he said. The judge said he could fill just three rooms with what he has available, some of it about 50 years old but in decent shape.
"Courtrooms are important," Moran said, "[but] we use hearing rooms more ... regularly than courtrooms. ... That's where all the work is done."
Belton had earlier planned to get used furniture from federal courthouses in Mississippi or South Florida through the General Services Administration. He said someone else bought up the Mississippi furniture and that he stopped shopping for courthouses to raid after concluding the city had more inventory than he had realized.
Moran said he expects to discuss his concerns Monday at a meeting of a City Council committee overseeing courthouse construction.
If the issue is over furniture, don't they have furniture in the old building? Why not move it over to fill the gap? Yeah, it may not be as purdy but they should be able to make it work fer a bit! :)
I love how many problems Moran has caused. I wish he would have won the fight with the mayor over the design of the courthouse. He was in favor of the Cannon design I believe.
Quote from: Jason on April 24, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
If the issue is over furniture, don't they have furniture in the old building? Why not move it over to fill the gap? Yeah, it may not be as purdy but they should be able to make it work fer a bit! :)
From the article:
QuoteBut Circuit Judge Mallory Cooper said most of the old furniture was already committed to other spots in the building to offset spending cuts in those areas.
Which I feel is BS 8)
Quote from: Jason on April 24, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
If the issue is over furniture, don't they have furniture in the old building? Why not move it over to fill the gap? Yeah, it may not be as purdy but they should be able to make it work fer a bit! :)
Much larger facility, for starters. Also have to factor in the life span of furniture in the current building. Wonder if any of our commenters who have care to share thoughts on the condition of existing furniture.
Obviously a small fraction of the furniture from a 350,000 SF building cannot outfit an entire 800,000 SF building, but furniture had to have been in the budget from the get-go. We are probably talking about a small portion of needed furniture that falls outside of the original budget/old courthouse furniture.
To witness this judge yet again play his position of power, public interest be damned, is torturous. This man is arrogant and is holding his power over everyone else. The taxpayers have spent a near fortune on this building and have witnessed a process that has delayed this building's opening for YEARS, partly due to this judge already, and here he goes again. I hope there is major public outrage. Anything is better than the cramped and moldy old courthouse. So outfit 700,000 SF of space in the new courthouse and wait for a budget to allow the remaining fraction to be supplied with furniture. There would still be 200% the usable courtroom space as the city currently has, even with only 7/8 the new courthouse up and running with furniture.
Why does a chief judge have power over all the other elected officials - who are actually beholden to the colelctive will of the people or they don't have a job? Why does a judge have any power such as this? He already has power to send a man to death or to be incarcerated for life or to fine a company millions, which may lead to many people losing jobs? He already has the ultimate power in his hand!
QuoteYeah, it may not be as purdy but they should be able to make it work fer a bit!
Have any of you been to the existing courthouse? been up to see a judge and his chambers? Some of the furnishings in this building have been there many years. They have absorbed the contaminants from the air system there in the old building, the problems associated with fabrics, you bring all that with you in a new space.
Why bring in old when we're talking about a flea on an elephant in cost? This is a game of chicken the mayor cannot afford to face. He will cave, because Moran has been waiting for this thing for 3 mayors, Brown is outgunned and out matched and with what happened with Corey yesterday, he will be fighting fires from many sides.
My advice Alvin, settle with Judge Moran and move on to battle with Angela over her issues. It will be the least of your worries.
Next they will have to put up a giant gold and ivory statue of Judge Moran at the back of the Acropolis replica that is the main entrance of the new courthouse.
I don't get it. This is the boondoggle of all boondoggles. $400mm wasted and down the drain already, and now we're going to save money by refusing to put furniture in it? Wtf? Seriously. But somehow Corey still gets her stupid ponte vecchio?
The time to save money on this was in not building the stupid thing in the first place, but now that the monstrosity is done, may as well stick furniture in it. The old courthouse is muuuuuuch smaller, anybody with common sense knows there can't possibly be enough in there to furnish more than a small percentage of the new one.
FWIW look at what Moran's complaining about, it isn't to get gold plated toilet seats. 37 conference rooms and he only has a dozen tables to put in them. What're they supposed to do? Everybody sit Indian style on the floor?
The judges are right. We need to make sure this thing at least functions, and it can't without furnishings. It's not the judges' fault this design is a such a waste, it was the mayor, we can't try to cut corners by making it less functional.
Lets just get this thing done. What a huge embarrassment this thing is. What did we get for $500 Million? That building design looks terrible.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 25, 2012, 07:08:50 AM
QuoteYeah, it may not be as purdy but they should be able to make it work fer a bit!
Have any of you been to the existing courthouse? been up to see a judge and his chambers? Some of the furnishings in this building have been there many years. They have absorbed the contaminants from the air system there in the old building, the problems associated with fabrics, you bring all that with you in a new space.
Why bring in old when we're talking about a flea on an elephant in cost? This is a game of chicken the mayor cannot afford to face. He will cave, because Moran has been waiting for this thing for 3 mayors, Brown is outgunned and out matched and with what happened with Corey yesterday, he will be fighting fires from many sides.
My advice Alvin, settle with Judge Moran and move on to battle with Angela over her issues. It will be the least of your worries.
Last time I was in chambers, I got gum stuck to the back of my shirt. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried. Just the thought of quibbling over furniture, when the building is already sitting there, is mind boggling. Moran has a point. WTF are they going to do with nowhere to sit??????
I think a lot of the controversy is not about whether there is a need for furniture, but how expensive the chosen furniture is.
$5,000 for a desk? $400 for a wooden side chair? Don't know where I've heard the figures or even if this is true.
^The "$5,000 desk" thing is hyperbole from the Mayor repeated by Ron Littlepage as if it were true. The issue is about the need for furniture in the hearing rooms; the judges already agreed to reduce the cost of the furniture, but now the may is coming back and claiming no furniture is needed at all.
Agreed. It's all political hogwash. The issue isn't a $5,000 desk (which never existed in the first place) the issue is they don't want to give them the furniture period. I guess it's some kind of high-stakes gamble that the state will wind up stepping in to pick up the tab.
But the whole argument over how we're not going to give you enough furniture to furnish the building is absurd. You have X number of whatever particular type of room in the new building, and you'll need X times however many tables and chairs for each room, this isn't rocket science. The old courthouse is like 1/3'rd of the size of the new one, common sense tells you that reusing the old stuff won't be sufficient because there won't be enough of it. This whole thing is just asinine. If you want to save money, kill the ponte vecchio instead of arguing over how 12 tables are supposed to fill 37 rooms.
Frankly, I am gettig tired of hearing those in the Mayors office and the Mayor himself and their "we're trying to save the taxpayers money" crap.
Maybe they should eliminate all of the chairs, desks and tables and just pay DVI to keep a staff member around to shuffle temporary seating areas around as required. This makes the most sense to me.
I, for one, applaud the mayor for working hard to preserve our shrinking stock of historic courthouse furniture. Why not restore it instead of demolishing it? At the very least, let's mothball it until an investor can be found to restore it to the glorious beauty it had in the 60's.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. :D
Quote from: fsujax on April 25, 2012, 01:29:00 PM
Frankly, I am gettig tired of hearing those in the Mayors office and the Mayor himself and their "we're trying to save the taxpayers money" crap.
well most in jax. seem to like it....Mayor Brown has a 75% approval rating!
yes I know, I like him too, but tired of hearing it.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 25, 2012, 01:29:59 PM
Maybe they should eliminate all of the chairs, desks and tables and just pay DVI to keep a staff member around to shuffle temporary seating areas around as required. This makes the most sense to me.
Maybe they could just bring in the homeless and they could be human furniture. Similar to the ones in the Paula Abdul scene in Bruno. It would be cheaper than opening a daytime shelter.
QuoteMuch larger facility, for starters. Also have to factor in the life span of furniture in the current building. Wonder if any of our commenters who have care to share thoughts on the condition of existing furniture.
Channel 25 had a segment on the news this evening about this issue. They showed pictures of the existing furniture. It was pretty grotty in the clip they showed. Don't know if it was especially selected but they should a pretty big sample. The stuff was tired!
Moran may have a good point.
Quote from: Dog Walker on April 25, 2012, 06:38:44 PM
QuoteMuch larger facility, for starters. Also have to factor in the life span of furniture in the current building. Wonder if any of our commenters who have care to share thoughts on the condition of existing furniture.
Channel 25 had a segment on the news this evening about this issue. They showed pictures of the existing furniture. It was pretty grotty in the clip they showed. Don't know if it was especially selected but they should a pretty big sample. The stuff was tired!
Moran may have a good point.
Well, yeah, but that's only half the problem. They already said they'd just get the old stuff refinished and re-use it again if they had to. They already conceded to that once. Then COJ reneged on the deal, now they're saying that they won't get any more furniture at all. This poses a problem of basic arithmetic; the new courthouse is 3X larger than the old one, so how are you supposed to fill 37 hearing rooms with 12 tables? I mean, like I said, is everybody supposed to sit indian-style on the floor? It's a ten-year odyssey and a $400mm boondoggle of a building, now that it's finished they're really worried about saving peanuts by refusing to put furniture in it? It's ludicrous.
COJ is just banking that the state will pay out to settle the debate, since the state is already required to furnish parts of the building under the courts budget. But I don't think they will, look who's governor. The city is really being asinine about the whole thing.
Quote from: copperfiend on April 25, 2012, 03:56:28 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 25, 2012, 01:29:59 PM
Maybe they should eliminate all of the chairs, desks and tables and just pay DVI to keep a staff member around to shuffle temporary seating areas around as required. This makes the most sense to me.
Maybe they could just bring in the homeless and they could be human furniture. Similar to the ones in the Paula Abdul scene in Bruno. It would be cheaper than opening a daytime shelter.
And It would be artistic as well! ;D
Ask any church in town for a loan. They all have these nice white folding tables and chairs to match. If it's good enough for FBC it's good enough for Judge Moran.
The city is required by law to have a facility for the state funded court system to practice in, and Chris brings up a great point, the old courthouse is 1/3 the size. Yes, Moran and Day have some items that have been reupholstered, but do you really want to bring the old molded items into the new facility and have the mold spores floating around in air that you and I will have to breath when we go into the building?
Imagine having to go to the hospital for an airborne illness all because two Jackwagons (Brown and Hand) want to play chicken with our health in a building that we hope is around in another 50 years.
Oh, by the way, anyone read where the Downtown Library has a leak on the 4th floor from skylights and possible construction flaws? Arena, Library, Courthouse, does the city intentionally hire idiots to manage construction projects and review the work done? Do we find the pencil pusher to manage projects? The city is its own worst enemy, not the judges.
QuoteFrankly, I am getting tired of hearing those in the Mayors office and the Mayor himself and their "we're trying to save the taxpayers money" crap.
+10000
I still do not think neither he nor Hand know what the hell they are doing. The cheer leading and photo ops only re-enforces this to me. This is a public/private partnership, you know?
^On the one hand, this consistent emphasis on saving money sends a good message to the taxpayer and builds political capital that can be put toward other priorities, such as downtown development.
On the other, however, this requires that (1) the money "saved" isn't just robbing Peter to pay Paul and (2) that Brown actually gets those other priorities done. Cutting things just to cut them is problematic, especially if no other gains are being made beyond some nice photo ops and approval ratings. Methinks this little scuffle is bad juju.
QuoteOn the one hand, this consistent emphasis on saving money sends a good message to the taxpayer and builds political capital that can be put toward other priorities, such as downtown development.
Are they really saving tangible money or is it for show for the Times Union? In the end Brown will cave and Moran will too, as I stated, Brown is going to have Angela Corey crawl up and get comfortable for the next 2 years while she waits for her space. He does not need the DA pissed with him, with special prosecutors available to review an inexperienced office staff dealing with city issues.
Well Houston there is a problem. Fire system not working properly. Could delay move! WTF REALLY? Brown has inherited a huge problem pass down by sir peyton.
QuoteBrown has inherited a huge problem pass down by sir peyton.
WTF? Where has Brown and his staff been for the last year? Asleep at the wheel? Who is in charge of the project, surely Brown, and his infinite wisdom added someone with years of experience in the private sector to help manage the project so that this sort of issue would not happen?
Was having dinner last night and ran into a councilman who said they would have been willing to look at the furniture the Mayor wanted to put on the 7th floor, but not at the 11th hour. Planning is something Mayor Brown will and should look at for the remainder of his years in office, the show up and throw up mentality of his office will limit his years in office, if he continues down this road, and he has many more battles with government officials on the horizon.
From the Times Union article on this in the 5/24 paper:
QuoteBut the City Council’s next leader said he was uneasy about project managers not having some hint of trouble earlier. “I just have to wonder how did this become a last-second issue that just comes up in the middle of a move,†said council President-designate Bill Bishop, an architect who has been part of a committee overseeing courthouse construction issues. He said the committee talked to project officials this month and didn’t hear any suggestions the building wouldn’t be ready. “I find it strange to hear that no one knew it was as serious a problem as it was,†Bishop said.
Actually the contractor is in charge of the project.
You have a point though, they should have tested these fire and emergency systems as soon as they broke ground.
I know Brown made you look foolish by winning when you though it impossible for Hogan to lose, but if he fails, Jacksonville fails, so you might not want to cut your nose off to spite to your face.
^ its kind of hard to test the fire systems until the building is virtually complete.....for example, ceiling tiles should be in place....so this is always done near the end
Can anyone else picture a ribbon-cutton ceremony that ends with the new Courthouse tumbling to the ground?
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 24, 2012, 08:33:39 AM
^ its kind of hard to test the fire systems until the building is virtually complete.....for example, ceiling tiles should be in place....so this is always done near the end
I was being facetious as a response to Mtrain's rant.
QuoteI know Brown made you look foolish by winning when you though it impossible for Hogan to lose, but if he fails, Jacksonville fails, so you might not want to cut your nose off to spite to your face.
Brown is the one with the egg on his face, he's been in office for a year, sort of hard to blame this on Delaney, but hey, maybe we can get a Public/Private partnership out of accepting the blame?
Just think of the costs for moving them once and then again?! Welcome to your 2nd term Mr. Mayor! Nice new appointment from Washington yesterday, a new communications officer from DC, because they know how to communicate in DC!
Delaney hasn't been mayor since 2003. I assume you meant Peyton.
Most mayor's need a year or two to get their sea legs. Peyton needed 6. Hogan wouldn't have need any time because all he planned to do was be a caretaker.
Things go wrong. If you have ever been in a position of leadership, you would know that. The key is how they are handled and are corrections made to avoid them from reoccurring.
^It would be nice to see some of that handling and correcting getting done. A year on deck is more than enough time to get one's sea legs.
QuoteDelaney hasn't been mayor since 2003. I assume you meant Peyton.
Most mayor's need a year or two to get their sea legs. Peyton needed 6. Hogan wouldn't have need any time because all he planned to do was be a caretaker.
Things go wrong. If you have ever been in a position of leadership, you would know that. The key is how they are handled and are corrections made to avoid them from reoccurring.
Nope, I meant Delaney, he did start the ball rolling on the Courthouse, and some people, again, some point to him as the beginning of contention. Granted Peyton threw out Delaney's plans, threw out all the work and started over, but Peyton's terms never amounted to anything, his is the lost generation of mayoral work. He has no real legacy other than contributing to the Courthouse mess.
Hard to say how we would have progressed with Mike, but maybe we will get a new chance in 3 years, at this rate, Brown is the most amazing cheerleader, but he has yet to make his mark on the city. Time will tell and he has some fun issues coming up on taxes, Corey and Pensions, his own included.
Brown is going to have to raise taxes at some point, he keeps denying it and saying he won't, as if he is waiting for some outside event to push him to make the case. As with Rick Scott, you can only cut so far, then you have to go to the people and look for a revenue increase. Not Brown's fault, just the cards he was dealt. If we want a world-class city, we are going to have to pay for it now.
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 24, 2012, 08:33:39 AM
^ its kind of hard to test the fire systems until the building is virtually complete.....for example, ceiling tiles should be in place....so this is always done near the end
My concern would be, why would they give the green light for the "Big Move" without the proper safety clearence? That makes no sense.
This whole thing is such a huge embarrasment. When will it end?
How come no one has been allowed inside to take any pictures at all during construction? Isn't that a bit odd? I can't remember seeing on any news sites any inside shots during any stage of the construction.
Quote from: Dapperdan on May 24, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
How come no one has been allowed inside to take any pictures at all during construction? Isn't that a bit odd? I can't remember seeing on any news sites any inside shots during any stage of the construction.
Probably for the same reason we had to pass stringent security/background checks to work on the FBI building off of Gate Pkwy. You don't want everyone knowing how it's built.
So a picture of the lobby or a picture of a courtroom is a security threat? I don't buy that.
Even if the ceilings are still exposed?
I don't know, Dan. Maybe they don't want anyone to see the Oompa Loompas that are costing the city $400M.
Quote from: Dapperdan on May 24, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
How come no one has been allowed inside to take any pictures at all during construction? Isn't that a bit odd? I can't remember seeing on any news sites any inside shots during any stage of the construction.
that's not true...council members and the news media has been on tours of the building....there is video of some of the court rooms and the 7-story atrium
Here's a link to some interior images:
(http://baileypub.com/photo_image.php?img=2277a.jpg&imgx=500)
http://baileypub.com/pg_event.php?id=143
Thnaks lakelander, this is the first I have seen inside it.
Street lamps on the inside?
Atleast the inside looks nice! LOL bout the only positive I can pull from the whole darn project.
Another large public building with floors as slick as ice. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! One of you architect/engineer types please explain to me why highly polished terazzo is the end-all and be-all for flooring in such buildings - other than durability. Surely someone has come up with something better by now. I can hardly wait to negotiate those floors after a rain and sue the pants off of the City when I bust some bone in my ancient body.
Wow, not exactly modest....I just wish they'd get in there and start using it so I can forget it's there:)
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 24, 2012, 04:09:57 PM
Atleast the inside looks nice! LOL bout the only positive I can pull from the whole darn project.
I have to respectfully disagree. First, the new courthouse will increase safety for the judges and general public. In the old courthouse the chain gang used to walk the hallway with the public and judges. This was unacceptable.
Secondly, we were one of the last, if not the last county, in the state to construct a new courthouse. The last building was out of date and no longer meet the needs of the public and the legal community. The new building will become a symbol of our city and legal community.
Third, the new building was constructed on several vacant blocks in LaVilla. The construction has filled in some of the blight in that neighborhood. Additionally, we all hope that the new courthouse will be a catalyst for new development in LaVilla, and hopfully not to the detriment of Bay Street.
The new courthouse is a positive step forward for Jacksonville, despite the rough road toward completion. I hope that it will serve the community for decades to come and that the surrounding area, LaVilla and downtown, will benefit from the new building.
Quote from: aaapolito on May 24, 2012, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 24, 2012, 04:09:57 PM
Atleast the inside looks nice! LOL bout the only positive I can pull from the whole darn project.
I have to respectfully disagree. First, the new courthouse will increase safety for the judges and general public. In the old courthouse the chain gang used to walk the hallway with the public and judges. This was unacceptable.
Secondly, we were one of the last, if not the last county, in the state to construct a new courthouse. The last building was out of date and no longer meet the needs of the public and the legal community. The new building will become a symbol of our city and legal community.
Third, the new building was constructed on several vacant blocks in LaVilla. The construction has filled in some of the blight in that neighborhood. Additionally, we all hope that the new courthouse will be a catalyst for new development in LaVilla, and hopfully not to the detriment of Bay Street.
The new courthouse is a positive step forward for Jacksonville, despite the rough road toward completion. I hope that it will serve the community for decades to come and that the surrounding area, LaVilla and downtown, will benefit from the new building.
I hope it serves for at least a Century, as we taxpayers will bear the burden of making that building a reality, for at least that long. With that and the continually grossly expensive price tag for the maintenance of that place.
No argument that we probably needed a more modern facility. That place is overkill X10. But hey , its there now, with all if its problems that will continue to emerge with time, wait and see.
Its not even open yet and is not deemed safe. Pretty sad, considering the grossly high cost to put it there.
As to the La Villa neighborhood, simply put, there is no longer a La Villa neighborhood. We razed the entire area. Not sure why , except to make way for hideous places like that.
Hope you are right about it generating new growth. What I expect is to see everything historic around it, except possibly the Ritz ( which really is no longer historic) Razed to make way for more "legal system" stuff.
Genovar's Hall is literally a stones throw from it. It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being saved now.
:)
Quote from: Timkin on May 25, 2012, 03:19:51 AM
No argument that we probably needed a more modern facility. That place is overkill X10. But hey , its there now, with all if its problems that will continue to emerge with time, wait and see.
well considering the one we built in the 1950s was undersized and outdated less than 25 years later, its probably ok that they went larger than needed today on the new facility.
Judge Moran for Mayor!
QuoteMoran said he would not bring the judges back to their old home, an idea that had been bruited about in the past few days.
"There's no way we're going back to that old building," Moran said. "That's not even on the table."
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-05-24/story/duval-courthouse-needs-open-soon-chief-judge-says-new-tests-could-make (http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-05-24/story/duval-courthouse-needs-open-soon-chief-judge-says-new-tests-could-make)
Action News reported tonight that in interviews with the Fire Marshal, they do not expect the Court House to pass the next round of tests this weekend. Not likely to open Monday. Clerk of Court is canceling jury summons. Problems may be so bad as to keep CH closed for a month!
Quote from: Charles Hunter on May 31, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
Action News reported tonight that in interviews with the Fire Marshal, they do not expect the Court House to pass the next round of tests this weekend. Not likely to open Monday. Clerk of Court is canceling jury summons. Problems may be so bad as to keep CH closed for a month!
Costing taxpayers..........................................................$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :o
QuoteCosting taxpayers..........................................................$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Possible Strike 2 against the mayor. The repercussions are huge for everyone who lives and works in the justice system, the vendors, employees, and obviously the taxpayers. Another month would really hit hard on the mayor.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on May 31, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
Action News reported tonight that in interviews with the Fire Marshal, they do not expect the Court House to pass the next round of tests this weekend. Not likely to open Monday. Clerk of Court is canceling jury summons. Problems may be so bad as to keep CH closed for a month!
What I don't understand is why did they move from the old courthouse to this New White Elephant. Before all of these Fire Systems were checked out?
Quote from: If_I_Loved_you on June 01, 2012, 12:13:23 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on May 31, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
Action News reported tonight that in interviews with the Fire Marshal, they do not expect the Court House to pass the next round of tests this weekend. Not likely to open Monday. Clerk of Court is canceling jury summons. Problems may be so bad as to keep CH closed for a month!
What I don't understand is why did they move from the old courthouse to this New White Elephant. Before all of these Fire Systems were checked out?
This is indeed the 300+million-dollar question ..