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I am choosing Floyd I think he is the best receiver.

Clairborne

I just want somebody who catches the ball and doesnt drop it  ;D

if we pick at 7, then Claiborne. If we move back, Floyd.

I'm like Jeffery and DD on this one, someone who can catch the ball. Blackmon is probably not going to be there, so I picked Floyd who knows, MF might turn out to be the best overall wideout. I think that we are pretty solid at CB with Mathis, Cox, and Ross, and right now a WR is more important than adding another CB. I truly believe in the philosophy of "picking the best player to fill in a weak position that's needed on the team" and not the "best player overall". 

Nick Perry, DE, USC

Claiborne at 7 if he's there (questionable).  Melvin Ingram if Claiborne's not there at 7 and we can't trade down.  Michael Floyd if Claiborne's not there at 7 but we can trade down a few spots. 

I like Floyd over any of those receivers.  Claiborne is slow, Blackmon is already battling concussions.  I'd be happy with any of the three; but let's be honest with ourselves, Gene is going to pick someone we aren't expecting.  Not saying that's a bad thing, just that it's the trend.

Quote from: downtownjag on April 07, 2012, 08:44:52 PM
I like Floyd over any of those receivers.  Claiborne is slow, Blackmon is already battling concussions.  I'd be happy with any of the three; but let's be honest with ourselves, Gene is going to pick someone we aren't expecting.  Not saying that's a bad thing, just that it's the trend.

YES! when we selected Gabbert last year I almost pied in my pants because I was not expecting that.! You never know what they have up their sleeves for sure.

Claiborne is a shut down corner and you can never have enough cover corners in this league. However, there are very few elite prospects in this draft and it is extremely deep at WR. Ideally, the Jaguars would somehow find a partner to trade down with for some new draft picks. Think about it like this. Trading down to the middle of the first would probably garner an extra 2nd and maybe a 4th. Now look at DraftCountdown's top 100 players (http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/TOP.php (http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/TOP.php)) and imagine having 2 second rounds. Now what if the Jags somehow traded down twice? Wouldn't that be a windfall? Maybe 3 2nds?

Hypothetically. In the middle of the first to the end of the 2nd, DraftCountdown has ... Kendall Wright, Reuben Randle, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffery, and Mohamed Sanu available.

Now if the Jags had to stand pat at 7, I would not rule out anyone who fits the GM Gene mold. Consistently productive, gives it his all every play (high motor), generally clean character sheet, accolades (team captain/all conference/etc). Keep these in mind, because its a common theme among all Jaguars draft picks under GM Gene.

If I had to pick from that list, I'd take Claiborne, Floyd and then Cox. If I had my choice though, I would trade back.

This draft stinks for WRs, the likes of Jimmy Smith. We had our chances in Free Agency and choked, we went for 2nd best with the hope we could luck out for a 5th, 6th, 7th round WR. Same old Jags. Blackmon is the best WR, but he is just OK, a 6-1 WR, and has questions across the middle.

Cobles could be a pick at DE, everyone wants Ingram, but he is an OLB, and we already have a solid LB core, so what, he plays behind someone? Boring! Bring out a stud 6-6 DE to be a force for years to come.

So I hear that Pot Roast got popped in the eye with a bottle while out at a nightclub last night. He had to have emergency eye surgery today. Hopefully he recovers ok. That definitely would throw a wrench in our draft plans if not.

Quote from: mtraininjax on April 08, 2012, 06:58:06 PM
This draft stinks for WRs, the likes of Jimmy Smith. We had our chances in Free Agency and choked, we went for 2nd best with the hope we could luck out for a 5th, 6th, 7th round WR. Same old Jags. Blackmon is the best WR, but he is just OK, a 6-1 WR, and has questions across the middle.

Cobles could be a pick at DE, everyone wants Ingram, but he is an OLB, and we already have a solid LB core, so what, he plays behind someone? Boring! Bring out a stud 6-6 DE to be a force for years to come.

The WR's in free agency were thin also. This is not a very good year for WR's at all. And trust the Jags need wide receivers but are not crazy. The Browns and few other extremely receiver needy teams backed up off as well because of what those guys were being offered from Washington and others. Nobody is pratically gonna break the bank on one player. ( no one with sense anyways). Alot of those guys got SEVERELY overpaid. Why do you think NOBODY wants Mike Wallace. A team would have to give up a first round pick and he wants to be paid $100 million dollars. nobody in their right might is going to do that, and no one has. Robinson was the only logical and level choice at that point. It is what it is. There are too many teams and not enough wide receivers out there right now. I but Im sure you disagree though LOL

Quote from: comncense on April 08, 2012, 07:33:09 PM
So I hear that Pot Roast got popped in the eye with a bottle while out at a nightclub last night. He had to have emergency eye surgery today. Hopefully he recovers ok. That definitely would throw a wrench in our draft plans if not.

Hey shyt happens. Thats life I guess. As long as he's ready by September, Im really not worrid about it. Now if they said he was found at a buffet slumped over from a heart attack then I would be worried. LMAO ROFL

Emergency eye surgery doesn't sound good, especially if he loses sight in that eye.  Does he continue to play if blindness threatens?

As for the draft, I agree with trading back and amassing some more picks.  I think Alshon Jeffery will be a great receiver.  He goes and gets the ball.   If they can trade back and get him with additional picks this would be best plan of action.   

If they draft @ 7 I would rather them take Floyd over Claiborne.  Floyd is moving up on some boards and if Blackmon and Floyd are gone, trading out becomes even more important.  Wasting 7 on another Harvey or Groves type is probably what Gene Gene will do, but a guy can hope right? 

Quote from: Gators312 on April 08, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
Emergency eye surgery doesn't sound good, especially if he loses sight in that eye.  Does he continue to play if blindness threatens?

As for the draft, I agree with trading back and amassing some more picks.  I think Alshon Jeffery will be a great receiver.  He goes and gets the ball.   If they can trade back and get him with additional picks this would be best plan of action.   

If they draft @ 7 I would rather them take Floyd over Claiborne.  Floyd is moving up on some boards and if Blackmon and Floyd are gone, trading out becomes even more important.  Wasting 7 on another Harvey or Groves type is probably what Gene Gene will do, but a guy can hope right?

Well of course if he loses sight in his eye then thats different. If he had surgery on it to me thats an indication the problem could be corrected. Dejay Karim has had eye surgery I think like twice. He has cataracts and his eyes are sensitive to the sun now. Thats why they approved him to wear a football helment visor. As long as pot roast can see, he can play. Well see what he say the damage is.

But I do agree with you on about the draft. There arent many "elite" wr's in the draft, but there are quite a view that would be quite an upgrade from what we have now.

Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 08, 2012, 11:39:25 PM

Quote from: Gators312 on April 08, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
Emergency eye surgery doesn't sound good, especially if he loses sight in that eye.  Does he continue to play if blindness threatens?

As for the draft, I agree with trading back and amassing some more picks.  I think Alshon Jeffery will be a great receiver.  He goes and gets the ball.   If they can trade back and get him with additional picks this would be best plan of action.   

If they draft @ 7 I would rather them take Floyd over Claiborne.  Floyd is moving up on some boards and if Blackmon and Floyd are gone, trading out becomes even more important.  Wasting 7 on another Harvey or Groves type is probably what Gene Gene will do, but a guy can hope right?

Well of course if he loses sight in his eye then thats different. If he had surgery on it to me thats an indication the problem could be corrected. Dejay Karim has had eye surgery I think like twice. He has cataracts and his eyes are sensitive to the sun now. Thats why they approved him to wear a football helment visor. As long as pot roast can see, he can play. Well see what he say the damage is.

But I do agree with you on about the draft. There arent many "elite" wr's in the draft, but there are quite a view that would be quite an upgrade from what we have now.

Action News is reporting that it's going to be a lengthy recover for Pot Roast. I don't think you can compare Deji's situation with getting cracked in the face with a bottle. Whatever the case, hopefully the dude is ok. Sucks that it happens in a contract year for him that he seemed to be taking serious by keeping his weight 'down' on top of that we let Leger Douzable go to the Titans.

I know you can't expect these young guys to not go out to clubs, but even I know there's certain clubs and certain nights to avoid places. There's a bunch of jealous people that will be at clubs that will be over the top about things just because you're an athlete that makes way more money than they do.

Quote from: comncense on April 08, 2012, 11:59:09 PM

Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 08, 2012, 11:39:25 PM

Quote from: Gators312 on April 08, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
Emergency eye surgery doesn't sound good, especially if he loses sight in that eye.  Does he continue to play if blindness threatens?

As for the draft, I agree with trading back and amassing some more picks.  I think Alshon Jeffery will be a great receiver.  He goes and gets the ball.   If they can trade back and get him with additional picks this would be best plan of action.   

If they draft @ 7 I would rather them take Floyd over Claiborne.  Floyd is moving up on some boards and if Blackmon and Floyd are gone, trading out becomes even more important.  Wasting 7 on another Harvey or Groves type is probably what Gene Gene will do, but a guy can hope right?

Well of course if he loses sight in his eye then thats different. If he had surgery on it to me thats an indication the problem could be corrected. Dejay Karim has had eye surgery I think like twice. He has cataracts and his eyes are sensitive to the sun now. Thats why they approved him to wear a football helment visor. As long as pot roast can see, he can play. Well see what he say the damage is.

But I do agree with you on about the draft. There arent many "elite" wr's in the draft, but there are quite a view that would be quite an upgrade from what we have now.

Action News is reporting that it's going to be a lengthy recover for Pot Roast. I don't think you can compare Deji's situation with getting cracked in the face with a bottle. Whatever the case, hopefully the dude is ok. Sucks that it happens in a contract year for him that he seemed to be taking serious by keeping his weight 'down' on top of that we let Leger Douzable go to the Titans.

I know you can't expect these young guys to not go out to clubs, but even I know there's certain clubs and certain nights to avoid places. There's a bunch of jealous people that will be at clubs that will be over the top about things just because you're an athlete that makes way more money than they do.

They still havent said what "lengthy" means. Even if its 6 months, he'd still be ready for the season. As far as a replacement, CJ mosely was actually very good also. When CJ was in for pot roast, its like pot roast was still there. He's pretty good.

Haven't young athletes ever heard of house parties with people they know, instead of being around a bunch of thugged out hooligans? I never understood that. Potroast being at that club is clearly not a situation like any one of us 'Joe Blows' can (sometimes) go to a club, blend in, and stay under the radar, these athletes often are harassed due to these envious haters, just like you said Comn. It's usually a lil' 'reckless zone' period with many people from childhood to about thirty, then after that, there's something that's called 'maturity' that usually kicks in. You'd think that some sense will kick in with these players, esp on a team that had to deal with the tragic Richard Collier situation.

Quote from: I-10east on April 09, 2012, 12:26:35 AM
Haven't young athletes ever heard of house parties with people they know, instead of being around a bunch of thugged out hooligans? I never understood that. Potroast being at that club is clearly not a situation like any one of us 'Joe Blows' can (sometimes) go to a club, blend in, and stay under the radar, these athletes often are harassed due to these envious haters, just like you said Comn. It's usually a lil' 'reckless zone' period with many people from childhood to about thirty, then after that, there's something that's called 'maturity' that usually kicks in. You'd think that some sense will kick in with these players, esp on a team that had to deal with the tragic Richard Collier situation.

I know its hard because they wanna feel normal, but there are certain places they just cant go. Pure is definately not a "ghetto" club, but when your pretty much famous in a sense you can not blend in with everyone. You just cant. I just hope he gets better and is ready for the season in September. We will see what comes out tomorrow.

Pure is pretty ummm 'ghetto' on Saturday nights. I hate to use that term but, yeah. Totally different crowd that any other nights of the week. Most of the times I see Jags players out they are in groups, which is probably smart. Mostly I see them at Blackfinn or Suite, which are both more on the upscale side of things.

I was listening to SFR this morning and the story is that one of Pot Roast's friends was getting jumped and Pot Roast jumped in to try to help and someone hit him with a bottle which cut the inside of his eye. So he had surgery yesterday and will have a doctor's appointment sometime today. Dan Hicken said 4 months was very optimistic. Really you have no idea of knowing how things will turn out. It could be ok and he's back before the start of the season, but when you're talking about shards of glass and the eye, there's also the potential of being blinded. Hopefully that's not the case.

Back to the topic of the post... SFR also was saying that Michael Floyd was on the radio this weekend and said that he has been contacted to have a personal workout and interview with 11 teams that are all in the top 15 picks. The Jaguars aren't one of those teams...

Quote from: comncense on April 09, 2012, 08:21:59 AM
Pure is pretty ummm 'ghetto' on Saturday nights. I hate to use that term but, yeah. Totally different crowd that any other nights of the week. Most of the times I see Jags players out they are in groups, which is probably smart. Mostly I see them at Blackfinn or Suite, which are both more on the upscale side of things.

I was listening to SFR this morning and the story is that one of Pot Roast's friends was getting jumped and Pot Roast jumped in to try to help and someone hit him with a bottle which cut the inside of his eye. So he had surgery yesterday and will have a doctor's appointment sometime today. Dan Hicken said 4 months was very optimistic. Really you have no idea of knowing how things will turn out. It could be ok and he's back before the start of the season, but when you're talking about shards of glass and the eye, there's also the potential of being blinded. Hopefully that's not the case.

Back to the topic of the post... SFR also was saying that Michael Floyd was on the radio this weekend and said that he has been contacted to have a personal workout and interview with 11 teams that are all in the top 15 picks. The Jaguars aren't one of those teams...

Yeah I read that too. Honestly when it comes to the draft, I just let things happen like they will happen. Every year you expect the team to do one thing, and the do the complete opposite. Heck when we drafted Gabbert I was floored. So I dont put anything pass them.

Everyone says that Character counts with this team, maybe Knighton should have thought about where he was and what he was doing. Certainly the fact that you are a starting NFL lineman coming up to Summer Training Camp should have been on his mind, even if his friend was there getting beat up. Execution of poor judgement.

Why even go to someplace that could present a problem? No bouncers there to break up the fight? Shoulda, Coulda Woulda, for sure all day long and night. So water under the bridge, but could be used as a lesson to all the new players, to stay away from trouble, cause you it will find you as people want to measure themselves against you.

I'd say we have a definite need at a DT or DE, not an OLB as others have suggested. If we cannot put more pressure on the QB, our DB will be shredded again this year. We only had 31 sacks last year, 25th in the league.

Quote from: mtraininjax on April 09, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
Everyone says that Character counts with this team, maybe Knighton should have thought about where he was and what he was doing. Certainly the fact that you are a starting NFL lineman coming up to Summer Training Camp should have been on his mind, even if his friend was there getting beat up. Execution of poor judgement.

While I agree that him being there was pretty much poor judgement, I totally disagree with anything to suggest that he should have not done anything to help his friend; A loss of a friendship is at stake here. I wouldn't wanna be that guy that's thinking retrospectively damn, I should have helped my friend.

QuoteI wouldn't wanna be that guy that's thinking retrospectively damn, I should have helped my friend.

At the sacrifice of the team. Could go either way here. You can always buy more friends, but if you let down your teammates.....

Back to the Draft, the topic of this thread.

Here is how I would rank the top four guys by likelihood we draft them (assuming we stay at 7):

1. Melvin Ingram
2. Michael Floyd
3. Justin Blackmon
4. Morris Claiborne

I think Ingram is the guy if they stay at 7. He is likely to be there, has zero characters and plays a position of great need.

Floyd and Blackmon I will put together. There is a good chance both guys will be there. Both have DUI arrests in the past. And both are far from perfect prospects. They are not Larry Fitzgerald, AJ Green or Andre Johnson type can't miss prospects. And this appears to be a deep draft at WR. I could see the team passing on the position in the first round and selecting at least two in the next two or three rounds.

Claiborne probably won't be there because I don't see Tampa and St Louis passing on him. But if he is, probably too good to pass up.

Quote from: copperfiend on April 09, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
Here is how I would rank the top four guys by likelihood we draft them (assuming we stay at 7):

1. Melvin Ingram
2. Michael Floyd
3. Justin Blackmon
4. Morris Claiborne

I think Ingram is the guy if they stay at 7. He is likely to be there, has zero characters and plays a position of great need.

Floyd and Blackmon I will put together. There is a good chance both guys will be there. Both have DUI arrests in the past. And both are far from perfect prospects. They are not Larry Fitzgerald, AJ Green or Andre Johnson type can't miss prospects. And this appears to be a deep draft at WR. I could see the team passing on the position in the first round and selecting at least two in the next two or three rounds.

Claiborne probably won't be there because I don't see Tampa and St Louis passing on him. But if he is, probably too good to pass up.

I honest would be upset if we drafted a corner. That is not a pressing need right now. We got some insurance for Mathis with Aaron Ross. IMO that should do it for now. We need WR's and DE's. If we went CB in the first round I would actually be upset. I think CB should be focused on next off season. ( at that point will have a clear understanding where mathis is from a performance standpoint.)

If you learned anything last year, DD, you should have learned that you can't have too many players at a position.

33? people on IR, and how many of them were corners.

We draft BAP, not need.

Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 09, 2012, 02:03:38 PM

Quote from: copperfiend on April 09, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
Here is how I would rank the top four guys by likelihood we draft them (assuming we stay at 7):

1. Melvin Ingram
2. Michael Floyd
3. Justin Blackmon
4. Morris Claiborne

I think Ingram is the guy if they stay at 7. He is likely to be there, has zero characters and plays a position of great need.

Floyd and Blackmon I will put together. There is a good chance both guys will be there. Both have DUI arrests in the past. And both are far from perfect prospects. They are not Larry Fitzgerald, AJ Green or Andre Johnson type can't miss prospects. And this appears to be a deep draft at WR. I could see the team passing on the position in the first round and selecting at least two in the next two or three rounds.

Claiborne probably won't be there because I don't see Tampa and St Louis passing on him. But if he is, probably too good to pass up.

I honest would be upset if we drafted a corner. That is not a pressing need right now. We got some insurance for Mathis with Aaron Ross. IMO that should do it for now. We need WR's and DE's. If we went CB in the first round I would actually be upset. I think CB should be focused on next off season. ( at that point will have a clear understanding where mathis is from a performance standpoint.)

Mathis and Cox are both going into the final years of their contracts. And Claiborne is considered by many to be an elite prospect. I don't think he will fall past Tampa but if he is there at 7, he will be difficult to pass up.

I honestly don't see the Rams passing on Justin Blackmon. The Rams have ZERO threats at WR and already have a franchise QB. I think they will draft a offensive weapon for him. Lloyd was their best WR and they let him go to the Pats. Also keep in mind they had Mike Sims-Walker starting before they cut him and we grabbed him up again.

While I can see us drafting Ingram, we better hope he turns out to be a Dwight Freeney type of player. He's about the same height and build as Freeney and as we all know the main thing Freeney has going for him is his hands and speed. I'd much rather see if we can work Miami's desire to draft Tannehill and trade down a few spots and pick up an extra 2nd round pick and hopefully get Floyd still in the first round.

Ideally we need to leave this draft with at least 3 WR's and hopefully one of them develops into being a great player. Right now we have Mike Thomas, Laurent Robinson, Taylor Price, Chastin West, Cecil Shorts and Jarett Dillard. I would drop Dillard for sure from that group. 3 years and no production but tons of injuries.

Quote from: copperfiend on April 09, 2012, 02:18:25 PM

Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 09, 2012, 02:03:38 PM

Quote from: copperfiend on April 09, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
Here is how I would rank the top four guys by likelihood we draft them (assuming we stay at 7):

1. Melvin Ingram
2. Michael Floyd
3. Justin Blackmon
4. Morris Claiborne

I think Ingram is the guy if they stay at 7. He is likely to be there, has zero characters and plays a position of great need.

Floyd and Blackmon I will put together. There is a good chance both guys will be there. Both have DUI arrests in the past. And both are far from perfect prospects. They are not Larry Fitzgerald, AJ Green or Andre Johnson type can't miss prospects. And this appears to be a deep draft at WR. I could see the team passing on the position in the first round and selecting at least two in the next two or three rounds.

Claiborne probably won't be there because I don't see Tampa and St Louis passing on him. But if he is, probably too good to pass up.

I honest would be upset if we drafted a corner. That is not a pressing need right now. We got some insurance for Mathis with Aaron Ross. IMO that should do it for now. We need WR's and DE's. If we went CB in the first round I would actually be upset. I think CB should be focused on next off season. ( at that point will have a clear understanding where mathis is from a performance standpoint.)

Mathis and Cox are both going into the final years of their contracts. And Claiborne is considered by many to be an elite prospect. I don't think he will fall past Tampa but if he is there at 7, he will be difficult to pass up.

Eh...I would have mixed emotions...

Quote from: comncense on April 09, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
I honestly don't see the Rams passing on Justin Blackmon. The Rams have ZERO threats at WR and already have a franchise QB. I think they will draft a offensive weapon for him. Lloyd was their best WR and they let him go to the Pats. Also keep in mind they had Mike Sims-Walker starting before they cut him and we grabbed him up again.

While I can see us drafting Ingram, we better hope he turns out to be a Dwight Freeney type of player. He's about the same height and build as Freeney and as we all know the main thing Freeney has going for him is his hands and speed. I'd much rather see if we can work Miami's desire to draft Tannehill and trade down a few spots and pick up an extra 2nd round pick and hopefully get Floyd still in the first round.

Ideally we need to leave this draft with at least 3 WR's and hopefully one of them develops into being a great player. Right now we have Mike Thomas, Laurent Robinson, Taylor Price, Chastin West, Cecil Shorts and Jarett Dillard. I would drop Dillard for sure from that group. 3 years and no production but tons of injuries.

I think our receiving group will be Robinson, Thomas, Shorts and any of combination of draft picks, guys you mentioned above or veterans made available during the summer. There seems to be good value in this draft at receiver. Brian Quick is an interesting player.

Quote from: comncense on April 09, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
I honestly don't see the Rams passing on Justin Blackmon. The Rams have ZERO threats at WR and already have a franchise QB. I think they will draft a offensive weapon for him. Lloyd was their best WR and they let him go to the Pats. Also keep in mind they had Mike Sims-Walker starting before they cut him and we grabbed him up again.

While I can see us drafting Ingram, we better hope he turns out to be a Dwight Freeney type of player. He's about the same height and build as Freeney and as we all know the main thing Freeney has going for him is his hands and speed. I'd much rather see if we can work Miami's desire to draft Tannehill and trade down a few spots and pick up an extra 2nd round pick and hopefully get Floyd still in the first round.

Ideally we need to leave this draft with at least 3 WR's and hopefully one of them develops into being a great player. Right now we have Mike Thomas, Laurent Robinson, Taylor Price, Chastin West, Cecil Shorts and Jarett Dillard. I would drop Dillard for sure from that group. 3 years and no production but tons of injuries.

Im not sure about Dillard. Its hard to say just drop him. Honestly last year was h is actual "rookie" season. As you mentioned, he was injuried before hand. From what I seen last season he was acutally decent. Made some rookie mistakes for sure, but I expected being he had not played much during his career because of injuries. But somebody will probably go, and it might be him

Blackmon would sell more tickets too for the Rams, since he's from OSU. Bradford would love having him as a target. I don't see the Jags overpaying for a weak WR draft class. Mularkey is going to want to develop someone and he has time on his side with his new contract.

^^ Yes I agree, they have Robinson, West, Robiskie,Shorts, and Dillard. I think Jag nation is going to be shocked when the Jags don't draft a reciever from this class. I could be wrong but I think GS wants to see if some of the players they have will emerge this season. BG will have a full camp to work with these wr's, but we will see soon enough.

^ Yeah that's what scares me. I think Gene wants try to prove people wrong by hanging on to all of these bums that he drafted that haven't done crap since he drafted them. 3 years, no production and you haven't broken into the lineup... Hit the bricks and give someone else a chance. Honestly I'd like to see us give Chastin West a chance to develop if not only for the reason we didn't originally draft him, Green Bay did.

Everyone seems to be forgetting that we pick 8th in the 2nd round and 7th again in the 3rd.  While there may not be any 'elite' WRs, there's still depth at the position as far as quality players - more than just Blackmon and Floyd. 

With Potroast's injury this weekend, I think that may have shaken up the draft board a little.  Not much, but it definitely puts a DT as a possibility to get drafted, probably not in round one because no one seems to be worth the 7th pick, but definitely in the 2nd or third.

I still think we take the best available at 7, and it's not going to be a WR. 

I don't understand this 'best player available' philosophy; If a team (hypothetically) is loaded at one position, say at receiver, and the best overall player is a WR, but your team desperately needs a CB, and can get the best corner in the draft; So that's supposed to automatically be a no-brainer, just because the WR falls into the BAP category? Different strokes for different folks.

IMO Ingram is more of exactly what his college position is, a LB, than a DE; On Jaguars this Weekend, they did a lil' breakdown of Ingram, and said that he has pretty short arms (like a T-Rex)  for a bonafided strip the ball kind of DE. We are pretty decent at corner, so that's not a very pressing need. I really hope that we don't pass up on Floyd, but this 'Clean Gene' mentality crap is getting me kinda worried.   

When you grade these players, you give them an overall rank, and a draft slotting position - the ideal slot in the draft that these guys become available for a situation that your needs actually match the BAP on the board.

Let's say when picking at #7, Matt Kalil is still available, and we had given him a near perfect grade and have him slotted in the 3-5 range.  Claiborn is off the board, but we had him with a similar grade.  Blackmon and Floyd are still available, the highest rated WRs on our board, but we have them slotted 12-18.  Ingram is available, as is Coples, but we have given them a lower grade than Blackmon & Floyd and have them slotted in the same positions:  12-18.  Richardson, at this point, is our highest rated player, talent wise, that's still left, but due to the increasingly lack of purpose for an RB and their short life span, he's actually slotted in the 21-25 range.

Based on this, if we have to pick at #7, we take Kalil - the highest graded player, slotted in our range.   But we don't necessarily have a NEED at OT, so we make an attempt to trade back into the 12-18 range - that's where our greatest need is and where we feel we have the best players ranked.  This is where it's really helpful to have a firm grasp on the needs and philosophies of the other teams.  We would look for a trading partner to move up to 7 from the 12-18 range in an attempt to match value & need.

If we can't move back in a position to take our BAPs in the 12-18 range, we take the one available to us at #7 - in my scenario, Kalil.

That's how we ended up with Gabbert last year.  We had a need for QB and I know we had a really high grade on him (prior to the combine most 'professional analysts' had him ranked #1 overall) and, I assume, we had slotted him in the 6-8 range.  When he was still available at 10, we made a move with WAS to go and get him.  He filled a need.  He was the highest rated guy on the board.  He had more value because of the position we chose him in.   Boom.  We make the move.

Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 09, 2012, 09:01:05 PM
^^ Yes I agree, they have Robinson, West, Robiskie,Shorts, and Dillard. I think Jag nation is going to be shocked when the Jags don't draft a reciever from this class. I could be wrong but I think GS wants to see if some of the players they have will emerge this season. BG will have a full camp to work with these wr's, but we will see soon enough.

I would be stunned if they don't take a WR. I honestly think they'll take two or three.

I don't doubt they'll get receivers; I tend to doubt that they'll take one in the first round.